for me. I think I would say in general as a man, it can be better working with women.

I've spent alot of my career working for older white men and that has been the pits for me (however, my wife always thrived working for older white guys, especially older jewish guys).

The boys club is real and black men aren't necessarily in that club (they can be but it's a certain type of black dude (i.e., jock-type).

It might be sexist to say but women colleagues tend to be more collaborative, less ego driven and even nurturing.

However, there is one huge exception. The childless driven careerist who had to fight her way through the boys club. That woman scares me. The same goes for the childless male boss but they are rarer (There was this one gay dude boss I know and he was brutal).

All that being said, the hardest I ever had to work for was a woman of color who lived for work and set out to get me fired when I wasn't willing to work like her.

What say you? Do you have any generalizations about who you like to work for?



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

But women tend to hate each other. They can't do slight dislike of another woman. It's all or nothing.

I know with mentors, the mentor is not a black woman (unless they don't work in the same company or are in any way in competition).

It's always some old liberal white dude.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

maybe they had Black mentors in college and they are trying to get out of their comfort zone?

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

professionals.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

at least that's how it read.

Too many men and they end up on some bullshit, but same is true (from my experience) with too many women.

A 60/40 split or better one way or the other keeps everyone honest.

Edit: and preferably a split with a relatively equal power balance too. All one gender (more often, but not exclusively men) in positions of power with all the other gender as support staff is no good either.

and I can work with them too.

my only struggle is the robot who doesn't show emotion at all. I can't read them, they never laugh, small talk, etc.

Those people scare me.

i've had them all from power tripping man haters to having a great relationship with lightweight to direct flirting.

I def prefer to work WITH women but it has nothing to do with the actual work. Although I find offices with alot of women tend to have some petty beef that doesn't really exist with male counterparts.

>The childless driven careerist who had to fight her way through the boys club. That woman scares me.

I guess the grass is always greener. As a woman who has worked in orgs with mostly woman, it can suck as well. All decisions aren't a personal slight because I'm a woman. Yes, I respect your opinion and will truly consider your feedback and offer empathy, but just cause we gals don't mean I need this Oprah-style meeting with you at lunch because I'm not doing what you want as the PM. Group think is real where ever you are and it impacts the company culture.

A female friend who has a pretty mellow personality recently told me her female boss brought up her lack of emoticons and exclamation points in email correspondence during a 90-day review. She didn't know how to take her emails and specifically requested she use more: ;-) WTF.

Small firm
He was the owner
He was rich.
All around worst working environment ever.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Just warms my cold dead heart.

>Just warms my cold dead heart.
helped some even....

It's VERY difficult for unmarried/uncommitted bosses to empathize with the work/life balance thing....



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>It's VERY difficult for unmarried/uncommitted bosses to
>empathize with the work/life balance thing....
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>It's VERY difficult for unmarried/uncommitted bosses to
>empathize with the work/life balance thing....

by far my most awful experience
her and I were the only minorties at the top
she micro managed to make sure our stuff was on my point
and was not a team player
that didn't work in the environment we were in
I ended up quitting...

have respect. I prefer working for men because I know I can approach at anytime if I feel something needs to be discussed. Whether it be work related or an attitude adjustment. If I sense my male Boss is not happy with me I have no problem pulling him to the side and asking him what's up. If I have a female boss I have to wait for her to be having a good day. Women are more emotional.

That being said I've had good male and female bosses. But anytime I had a sh*tty boss that was a micro Manager, Or a mean idiot it was always a woman.

If I had a company I would higher all straight males, IN my age range or younger that have a zest for life. Drama free work environment for sure.

> If I
>sense my male Boss is not happy with me I have no problem
>pulling him to the side and asking him what's up. If I have a
>female boss I have to wait for her to be having a good day.
>Women are more emotional.


lmao

many female bosses that I avoided regularly.

>many female bosses that I avoided regularly.

I hear you. But it can go both ways. Cause some dudes can act the same way lol

Its just funny how u stated it and them situations.

I'm thinking dudes that like working for females are probably the one woman at a time types or the I can't get laid types.

And dudes like me that are basically players see their female boss and think, C'mon Ma, you know you want to smash. LOL

Therefore giving off the aura of shouldn't you be in my kitchen cooking me and sandwich instead of bossing me around.

I know, I know....Shut up Crisco

>I'm thinking dudes that like working for females are probably
>the one woman at a time types or the I can't get laid types.
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>And dudes like me that are basically players see their female
>boss and think, C'mon Ma, you know you want to smash. LOL
>
>Therefore giving off the aura of shouldn't you be in my
>kitchen cooking me and sandwich instead of bossing me around.
>
>
>I know, I know....Shut up Crisco


lmao damn dude

>I'm thinking dudes that like working for females are probably
>the one woman at a time types or the I can't get laid types.
>
>And dudes like me that are basically players see their female
>boss and think, C'mon Ma, you know you want to smash. LOL
>
>Therefore giving off the aura of shouldn't you be in my
>kitchen cooking me and sandwich instead of bossing me around.
>
>
>I know, I know....Shut up Crisco

According to you, that's the key to a "drama free" environment.
So I'll just say I don't really understand your way of thinking.

attitudes. Get it right

I've worked in all male IT departments where all the dudes where about having fun. And then this one dude with depression and anxiety issues joined the group and F*cked it all up. Started dragging people to EEO for discrimination BS that he conjured up in his head from peeps joking with him.


Hence Dudes that have all their faculties and no worries in the world are the best ones to work with.

to do with.


That's being a player?!?

Okay...player.


I'd put my track record versus your any day.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

spectrum my dude. Thin to BBW and I happen to prefer BBW.
If only you knew. BUt you don't so whatever. eat a dills nucka

because all of this posturing when you're not even cute to probably 85%
of the female population is just disconcerting.

>And dudes like me that are basically players see their female
>boss and think, C'mon Ma, you know you want to smash. LOL
>
>Therefore giving off the aura of shouldn't you be in my
>kitchen cooking me and sandwich instead of bossing me around.

someone needs to check you basement/backyard because this kind of disconnect with reality
has got to be clue to some real deep issues.

I'm cute to who matters.
Hows your love life though.

>I'm cute to who matters.
>Hows your love life though.

It's better than any woman involved with you.

See if OKP is still on it's toes. LOL

Or one of a handful of men and I've had all good experiences. I don't chalk it up to gender tho...just my keeping to myself and not sharing personal details with coworkers.

I got close to one female coworker once but I had to dead the friendship about a year ago.

I don't chalk it up to gender tho...just my
>keeping to myself and not sharing personal details with
>coworkers.
>

They can't help but gossip. Don't tell them about your dating life, married life, night life, non of that.

The less they know about you the better the chances of surviving in a predominantly female working environment.

>>The boys club is real and black men aren't necessarily in that
>club (they can be but it's a certain type of black dude (i.e.,
>jock-type).

The older guys tend to fall-back, STFU and let me do my job (programmer).

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Forget all of these haters. White female bosses hate strong black men. But if you can manage then do that.
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I can't agree that this is universally true

I'm saying...

goes to the replay monitor...

Flagrant 1

I can't take shots back at someone I don't know nothing about.

Could be a homeless dude talking shit from the public library computer for all I know.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Don't go to his level.
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I don't know you so how could it be shots?

It was a logical jackass reply to your phrasing.

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