http://madamenoire.com/695846/aisha-tyler-students-think-beyond-black-colleges-and-universities/

“When incidents of discrimination happen, that is the real world. You know, if someone doesn’t write something nasty on your dorm door, that doesn’t mean they are not thinking it. I applied to Dartmouth the year the school had a big demonstration against apartheid. The students built a shantytown on the green, and some students, ultra-conservatives, destroyed the shantytown with sledgehammers. I told my high school counselor I was going to Dartmouth, and he asked me: “Why go to a school where that happened?” It’s not for everybody. You have to decide what you can tolerate. But my great-great-great-great- grandfather escaped slavery in Texas and eventually went back into post-reconstruction Texas and built a successful business. What would we be like if black people didn’t go into the heart and didn’t try to change things? We would have made no progress in the country. Bravery is the engine of change.

When asked what advice would you give African-American high school students who are thinking about where to attend college she said: “I’d say: ‘Step out of your comfort zone. Don’t pick a college that replicates what you did in high school. Test yourself in an unfamiliar context so that you can learn to succeed no matter where you are placed, so that you know you can excel’.”


percentages she has a white dude? 96.5%

I wouldn't say don't go to a Black college (I don't think she said that either), but there is a lot to be said for stepping out of your comfort zone.

for certain people. I know quite a few black kids who went to all white schools pre-college who could have been well served or were actually well served, by stepping out of their comfort zone and going to Black Colleges.

All that to say, her actually quote is not what the headline says.




>http://madamenoire.com/695846/aisha-tyler-students-think-beyond-black-colleges-and-universities/
>
>“When incidents of discrimination happen, that is the real
>world. You know, if someone doesn’t write something nasty on
>your dorm door, that doesn’t mean they are not thinking it.
>I applied to Dartmouth the year the school had a big
>demonstration against apartheid. The students built a
>shantytown on the green, and some students,
>ultra-conservatives, destroyed the shantytown with
>sledgehammers. I told my high school counselor I was going to
>Dartmouth, and he asked me: “Why go to a school where that
>happened?” It’s not for everybody. You have to decide what
>you can tolerate. But my great-great-great-great- grandfather
>escaped slavery in Texas and eventually went back into
>post-reconstruction Texas and built a successful business.
>What would we be like if black people didn’t go into the
>heart and didn’t try to change things? We would have made no
>progress in the country. Bravery is the engine of change.
>
>When asked what advice would you give African-American high
>school students who are thinking about where to attend college
>she said: “I’d say: ‘Step out of your comfort zone.
>Don’t pick a college that replicates what you did in high
>school. Test yourself in an unfamiliar context so that you can
>learn to succeed no matter where you are placed, so that you
>know you can excel’.”
>
>
>percentages she has a white dude? 96.5%


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Try new challenges and peer groups in college.

Pretty innocuous statement. No wonder they added a clickbait title.

i went to mixed schools K-12 but they had this grouping thing starting in 5th grade.

they basically created teams of 4 teachers each (math, english, science, social studies) and 4 different groups on each team (group 1 "smartest" kids through group 4 "least smartest" kids).

there were a total of 4 teams for each grade (red, blue, green and tan).

i was in group 1 up until high school where grouping no longer existed.
there were literally probably about 10-15 black kids in group 1 throughout all 4 teams.

so for me most of my entire schooling my classes only consisted of about 3-4 black kids in them at the most.

i say all that to say.....i went to an hbcu (which blew my white guidance counselor's mind lol) and being around so many high achieving black folks really helped my soul tremendously.

on another note - i really HATE the grouping system. i know a good amount of black kids that were smart as hell but got placed in group 4 early on and did not live up to their potential in my eyes because of the low expectations.

Like 27/30 students in each class were Black from K-12. Attending a PWI was an eye-opening experience.

and that was an eye opening experience too lol

i truly believe life is all about new experiences and we only grow by choosing to do different things that we have always done.

She seems like the type to have never set foot in a primarily-Black neighborhood, HBCU campus or nightclub with more than 0.05% Black patrons.

.

Big difference.

For us going to an HBCU is very much stepping out of our norm but going Ivy would be sticking with our norm

San Diego is less than 5% Black

Unless I missed something.

She's not denigrating HBCUs at all the way I read it. "Think beyond black colleges" seems like a total invention of a clickbait title.

>http://madamenoire.com/695846/aisha-tyler-students-think-beyond-black-colleges-and-universities/
>
>“When incidents of discrimination happen, that is the real
>world. You know, if someone doesn’t write something nasty on
>your dorm door, that doesn’t mean they are not thinking it.
>I applied to Dartmouth the year the school had a big
>demonstration against apartheid. The students built a
>shantytown on the green, and some students,
>ultra-conservatives, destroyed the shantytown with
>sledgehammers. I told my high school counselor I was going to
>Dartmouth, and he asked me: “Why go to a school where that
>happened?” It’s not for everybody. You have to decide what
>you can tolerate. But my great-great-great-great- grandfather
>escaped slavery in Texas and eventually went back into
>post-reconstruction Texas and built a successful business.
>What would we be like if black people didn’t go into the
>heart and didn’t try to change things? We would have made no
>progress in the country. Bravery is the engine of change.
>
>When asked what advice would you give African-American high
>school students who are thinking about where to attend college
>she said: “I’d say: ‘Step out of your comfort zone.
>Don’t pick a college that replicates what you did in high
>school. Test yourself in an unfamiliar context so that you can
>learn to succeed no matter where you are placed, so that you
>know you can excel’.”
>
>
>percentages she has a white dude? 96.5%

last comment you made....

Well I'll just say that her choice of man isn't necessarily related to her statement, but it's Friday morning in GD so let's get it popping...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3546858/Aisha-Tyler-breaks-tears-Talk-discusses-husband-Jeff-Tietgens-filed-divorce-23-years-marriage.html

GET THEM VIEWS SON!

All that to say that she didn't say anything wrong, she didn't say fuck black colleges, and like someone said above, it's actually a good argument for going to HBCU's as well.

And she was married to a white dude, which was pretty well known, until he decided to divorce her.
______________________________________________________________________________

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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

and I never knew who she was married to but dammit, these types of comments scream white dude.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

title.

now see....
smh...

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

like I said, don't LOL at the messenger

missed it though...
my bad..


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

SWAC pride!!!!!!!!

that article will lead to some good discussions with guidance counselors and black seniors in high schools across the country.

That is assuming of course 1) the guidance counselors are black and 2) if they aren't, they have enough perspective to have a healthy conversation with their black seniors.

I would hope Aisha Tyler doesn't expect others to blindly take her advice as gospel.

Were they talking about racism at white schools?

Like someone else said, she seems like the type who has never left her comfort zone.

Here's the link: http://time.com/money/4302477/aisha-tyler-on-college/

It appears to be a subsidiary of Time Magazine.

but my cousin went to spelman and is a neurologist... so I think she could make the same argument for attending an HBCU.

prepare kids for the real world like the article/and or Aisha Taylor was shadily trying to get at?

That is, dealing with whitey. And I am not even talking about racism is, just culturally.

My little bro went from our black high school in my black town, to an HBCU to a black law school. Summering with a black judge this summer.

I keep wondering when is he going to learn how to deal with white folks.



>http://madamenoire.com/695846/aisha-tyler-students-think-beyond-black-colleges-and-universities/
>
>“When incidents of discrimination happen, that is the real
>world. You know, if someone doesn’t write something nasty on
>your dorm door, that doesn’t mean they are not thinking it.
>I applied to Dartmouth the year the school had a big
>demonstration against apartheid. The students built a
>shantytown on the green, and some students,
>ultra-conservatives, destroyed the shantytown with
>sledgehammers. I told my high school counselor I was going to
>Dartmouth, and he asked me: “Why go to a school where that
>happened?” It’s not for everybody. You have to decide what
>you can tolerate. But my great-great-great-great- grandfather
>escaped slavery in Texas and eventually went back into
>post-reconstruction Texas and built a successful business.
>What would we be like if black people didn’t go into the
>heart and didn’t try to change things? We would have made no
>progress in the country. Bravery is the engine of change.
>
>When asked what advice would you give African-American high
>school students who are thinking about where to attend college
>she said: “I’d say: ‘Step out of your comfort zone.
>Don’t pick a college that replicates what you did in high
>school. Test yourself in an unfamiliar context so that you can
>learn to succeed no matter where you are placed, so that you
>know you can excel’.”
>
>
>percentages she has a white dude? 96.5%


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

College doesn't teach you that.
High School doesn't teach you that.
Elementary School doesn't teach you that.
CHuuch doesn't teach you that.




"Get ready....for your blessing....."

What's your cultural background? That is, did you grow up in and all black environment?



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

granted I grew up around white folk in Pittsburgh but what exactly did you learn?

If you grow up in an all black environment you tend to view them through a racial lens and see them as a monolith. A collection of stereotypes.

So when I say "deal with them" I am saying learning to ultimately view them as individuals that really didn't require a separate instruction manual.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>If you grow up in an all black environment you tend to view
>them through a racial lens and see them as a monolith. A
>collection of stereotypes.

I doubt that's across the board fact. I think that's applicable on both sides of the race coin for ANYONE that grew up in America because it's simply the American way of existing.


>So when I say "deal with them" I am saying learning to
>ultimately view them as individuals that really didn't require
>a separate instruction manual.

Funny, I never see any advocacy for whites to attend HBCU's.... I just don't understand the mentality that college .... 4-years of college at that..... can correct or somehow magically alter a person's structure to be something that was actively created by their upbringing outside of the formal education realm.

It's more likely that the minority is going to simply seek out the groups that they identify with at those PWI's and roll with them for 4-years.... THat's typically what i've seen anyway....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>If you grow up in an all black environment you tend to view
>them through a racial lens and see them as a monolith. A
>collection of stereotypes.
>
>So when I say "deal with them" I am saying learning to
>ultimately view them as individuals that really didn't require
>a separate instruction manual.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"


fuck that, its America bruh, we are 13% of the population. I think it should be the other way around.

>What's your cultural background? That is, did you grow up in
>and all black environment?

No, I didn't grow up in an "all Black" environment.
I didn't grow up in an all white environment either.
I grew up in Greensboro,NC.
Typical southern town where diversity = Black folks and White folks and a dash of other ethnicities....
My family is 99.8% Black.
My church was 99.9% Black.
My schools up through high school were probably 50/50 Black/White

Like most folks though....social circles primarily mirrored my race, Black.
I went to an HBCU (AGGIE PRIDE!)

My wife on the other hand...Detroit born & raised. All Black everything...straight through graduation from college....

I'd say that on a whole...SHE probably deals with white folks a tad better than me...but I think more of that is attributed to the whole southern upbringing dynamic and my disdain for rednecks and such....I tend to see a lil redneck in all of em...but still...
Both of us have faired fairly well navigating our adult life thus far.



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

I think the most you have to deal with is racism and slick talk.

however, it seems like whites tend to be the ones asking us the dumb questions about hair, skin, dancing good, etc in public without shame.

ionno, just seems like the way we are raised we don't really walk into white world on some Kimmy Schmidt steez.

as a "One of many" ?

What I mean by "proceeding" is how are you participating and living your life in general. I think that has a LOT to do with how you move and determine whether or not your "dealing with" or simply living out life and the different PEOPLE that are part of it.

If you approach your adult life with the mindset of "I'm different BECAUSE i'm Black" vs. "I'm Black and i'm different" that will likely impact the results you get when dealing with people that are simply different than you.

I've never found it difficult at all. I've definitely noted obstacles and hurdles and setbacks because i'm a Black man.... but I BOSS up and handle em...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

make folks mad).

So I had a couple of boys move to NYC from the deep south from mostly black environments who had to make a transition because they did not understand white women.

They swore they were DTF and I had to be like "naw man, they just mad superficial friendly like that. All that smiling and playfulness may not mean anything". One of the dudes even got the reputation for being aggressive with women (not physically) but had to be told to chill, you can't approach women like that.

That's a terrible example because there are so many other variables at play but yeah, that was a thing.


The more general problem I had was comfort level with just kicking it with white peers (and bosses). I stayed in black circles in undergrad and it was probably a mistake to keep my circle so narrow. I hung out with more non-black people in law school and there were benefits.

Just being able to kick it with white peers is necessary for networking and career advancement and I was slow to come around to being comfortable doing it. Now if my boss wants to go grab a drink it's not a thing.



>I think the most you have to deal with is racism and slick
>talk.
>
>however, it seems like whites tend to be the ones asking us
>the dumb questions about hair, skin, dancing good, etc in
>public without shame.
>
>ionno, just seems like the way we are raised we don't really
>walk into white world on some Kimmy Schmidt steez.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

So you went to an HBCU in undergrad?


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

for college and law school.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

my boy is mad aggressive with the white women when he gets drunk... but he also gets mad white girls cause he is mad aggressive.

I know what you mean as far as kissing ass aka playing the game...

but some people don't need to do that to get ahead in America.

my FIL made a good living but he also said he never learned golf and saw how the black dudes who did play golf never had to worry when cuts came around.

but then again, my FIL is now retired, made a grip and never kissed ass and that is awesome.

I did as a kid (Philly). Socially-speaking, there's a lot of things about "the white world" that I just don't get and probably never will. A lot of what I do understand I learned in college because that was the first time I really interacted with white folks that were my peers on a day-to-day basis.

upbringing issue... For anyone to attribute the "solution" to the "issue" as choosing to go to a PWI over an HBCU is very irresponsible and nullifies any semblance of intelligence towards the matter that they are trying to present to the world.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

There just weren't many white folks my age around in my neighborhood. Nearly everyone was black. The zip code I grew up in is 82% black. My grade school was black. So was my HS.

So how would someone in that position get exposure to cultures that are non-black? Should they bus their children out to the suburbs?

Not saying that choosing a PWI vs HBCU is the answer, but how is it a bad thing if someone chooses a school in-part to experience other cultures?

Professional networking is one huge reason to have experience being in diverse groups. Certain careers can be made or broken based on the ability to network.

That in current times should be pushed more than this age old talk about choosing an HBCU vs. a PWI for the social exposure issue. (Understand, I have a COMPLETELY different stance on the HBCU vs. PWI for OTHER issues)

>There just weren't many white folks my age around in my
>neighborhood. Nearly everyone was black. The zip code I grew
>up in is 82% black. My grade school was black. So was my HS.

At this point in the conversation, I feel like anyone that is of age to discuss this matter intelligently should be on a level of understanding that there are more things that have a bearing on social interaction and intercultural existence that can/should be done waaaaaaay before college is even on the table. Not trying to throw darts at peoples past. There aren't really any real barriers to social interaction between different races and culture in America in current times. Hell...i'd venture that it hasn't really been any real barriers since the late 80's.... So with that understanding, there's no real excuse for anyone born since the 90's to not have been socialized enough that they gotta cram for adult life by choosing a PWI over an HBCU.


>So how would someone in that position get exposure to cultures
>that are non-black? Should they bus their children out to the
>suburbs?

In 2016, that's just a non factor. I'd venture that in all big cities, exposure to other cultures doesn't require being bussed to the suburbs for school. IT takes action on the parents part though.

>Not saying that choosing a PWI vs HBCU is the answer, but how
>is it a bad thing if someone chooses a school in-part to
>experience other cultures?

It's not a bad thing until people hang their hat on it being THE reason. Which is a lot of what I seem to be reading here.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

You think it's a parents responsibility to make sure their black kids spend time with White Folks? Like why would that be a priority? Especially if those parents have had no meaningful contact with white folks?

>
>At this point in the conversation, I feel like anyone that is
>of age to discuss this matter intelligently should be on a
>level of understanding that there are more things that have a
>bearing on social interaction and intercultural existence that
>can/should be done waaaaaaay before college is even on the
>table. Not trying to throw darts at peoples past.




There aren't
>really any real barriers to social interaction between
>different races and culture in America in current times.
>Hell...i'd venture that it hasn't really been any real
>barriers since the late 80's.... So with that understanding,
>there's no real excuse for anyone born since the 90's to not
>have been socialized enough that they gotta cram for adult
>life by choosing a PWI over an HBCU.


This is just made up bullshit that doesn't take into account that many black people live in segregated communities that would require busing to have that sort of interaction. How is this important meaningful interaction suppose to happen? And how are poor people (who live in the most segregated communities) suppose to engage in this meaningful interaction?


>
>
>>So how would someone in that position get exposure to
>cultures
>>that are non-black? Should they bus their children out to
>the
>>suburbs?
>
>In 2016, that's just a non factor. I'd venture that in all big
>cities, exposure to other cultures doesn't require being
>bussed to the suburbs for school. IT takes action on the
>parents part though.
>

Man you should listen to this American Life Episode about how segregation is still such a huge part of the American education experience.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with

You just don't know what you are talking about.


>>Not saying that choosing a PWI vs HBCU is the answer, but
>how
>>is it a bad thing if someone chooses a school in-part to
>>experience other cultures?
>
>It's not a bad thing until people hang their hat on it being
>THE reason. Which is a lot of what I seem to be reading here.
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>You think it's a parents responsibility to make sure their
>black kids spend time with White Folks? Like why would that be
>a priority? Especially if those parents have had no
>meaningful contact with white folks?

The argument that is being presented here is that Black kids should go to a PWI so that they know how to interact with white people. I'm saying that's a dumb assed reason to choose to go to a PWI. If the concern is that Black kids don't know how to interact with white people or other cultures, then THAT lesson needs to start at home..and early...NOT 2 years before the kid goes to college. So you telling me that in this situation...the parents all of a sudden think "Damn, my kid don't know how to get along with white folk...I better send them to a PWI." FOH...if it was THAT much of a concern, you'd have been bringing them up with the appropriate exposure to all cultures all these years.


>>At this point in the conversation, I feel like anyone that
>is
>>of age to discuss this matter intelligently should be on a
>>level of understanding that there are more things that have
>a
>>bearing on social interaction and intercultural existence
>that
>>can/should be done waaaaaaay before college is even on the
>>table. Not trying to throw darts at peoples past.
>
>
>
>
> There aren't
>>really any real barriers to social interaction between
>>different races and culture in America in current times.
>>Hell...i'd venture that it hasn't really been any real
>>barriers since the late 80's.... So with that
>understanding,
>>there's no real excuse for anyone born since the 90's to not
>>have been socialized enough that they gotta cram for adult
>>life by choosing a PWI over an HBCU.
>
>
>This is just made up bullshit that doesn't take into account
>that many black people live in segregated communities that
>would require busing to have that sort of interaction. How is
>this important meaningful interaction suppose to happen? And
>how are poor people (who live in the most segregated
>communities) suppose to engage in this meaningful
>interaction?



>>>So how would someone in that position get exposure to
>>cultures
>>>that are non-black? Should they bus their children out to
>>the
>>>suburbs?
>>
>>In 2016, that's just a non factor. I'd venture that in all
>big
>>cities, exposure to other cultures doesn't require being
>>bussed to the suburbs for school. IT takes action on the
>>parents part though.
>>
>
>Man you should listen to this American Life Episode about how
>segregation is still such a huge part of the American
>education experience.
>
>http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with
>
>You just don't know what you are talking about.

These discussions on segregation focus primarily on schools. Thus the whole issue of bussing comes into play. My stance is that if anyone that's authentically concerned about their child's exposure to different cultures throughout their childhood years, then they should/will seek that exposure beyond the school system. These discussions are too often focused on the past and NOT on the present and future opportunities for cultural relations and exposure and American society. If people want the exposure, it's not hard to obtain.



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

to interact with white people. I learned to deal with white folks in college, but that isn't the reason I went there. Let's say it is a positive bi-product.

>>You think it's a parents responsibility to make sure their
>>black kids spend time with White Folks? Like why would that
>be
>>a priority? Especially if those parents have had no
>>meaningful contact with white folks?
>
>The argument that is being presented here is that Black kids
>should go to a PWI so that they know how to interact with
>white people. I'm saying that's a dumb assed reason to choose
>to go to a PWI. If the concern is that Black kids don't know
>how to interact with white people or other cultures, then THAT
>lesson needs to start at home..and early...NOT 2 years before
>the kid goes to college. So you telling me that in this
>situation...the parents all of a sudden think "Damn, my kid
>don't know how to get along with white folk...I better send
>them to a PWI." FOH...if it was THAT much of a concern, you'd
>have been bringing them up with the appropriate exposure to
>all cultures all these years.
>
>
>>>At this point in the conversation, I feel like anyone that
>>is
>>>of age to discuss this matter intelligently should be on a
>>>level of understanding that there are more things that have
>>a
>>>bearing on social interaction and intercultural existence
>>that
>>>can/should be done waaaaaaay before college is even on the
>>>table. Not trying to throw darts at peoples past.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There aren't
>>>really any real barriers to social interaction between
>>>different races and culture in America in current times.
>>>Hell...i'd venture that it hasn't really been any real
>>>barriers since the late 80's.... So with that
>>understanding,
>>>there's no real excuse for anyone born since the 90's to
>not
>>>have been socialized enough that they gotta cram for adult
>>>life by choosing a PWI over an HBCU.
>>
>>
>>This is just made up bullshit that doesn't take into account
>>that many black people live in segregated communities that
>>would require busing to have that sort of interaction. How
>is
>>this important meaningful interaction suppose to happen? And
>>how are poor people (who live in the most segregated
>>communities) suppose to engage in this meaningful
>>interaction?
>
>
>
>>>>So how would someone in that position get exposure to
>>>cultures
>>>>that are non-black? Should they bus their children out to
>>>the
>>>>suburbs?
>>>
>>>In 2016, that's just a non factor. I'd venture that in all
>>big
>>>cities, exposure to other cultures doesn't require being
>>>bussed to the suburbs for school. IT takes action on the
>>>parents part though.
>>>
>>
>>Man you should listen to this American Life Episode about
>how
>>segregation is still such a huge part of the American
>>education experience.
>>
>>http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with
>>
>>You just don't know what you are talking about.
>
>These discussions on segregation focus primarily on schools.
>Thus the whole issue of bussing comes into play. My stance is
>that if anyone that's authentically concerned about their
>child's exposure to different cultures throughout their
>childhood years, then they should/will seek that exposure
>beyond the school system. These discussions are too often
>focused on the past and NOT on the present and future
>opportunities for cultural relations and exposure and American
>society. If people want the exposure, it's not hard to obtain.
>

Where are people doing this in significant numbers and time outside of school? And is it accessible to poor people (the most segregated portion of the black community).




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You speak as if colleges don't have cultures. You should consider that culture before picking a school. I can think of a ton examples where students picked the wrong campus culture for them.

Remember the OKPer who wrote about her experience at that southern confederate worshipping college? bad culture fit.

I've said if I had a daughter who had self-esteem issues (especially self-esteem issues tied to race in any way), I would not send them to my undergrad where the Black women were such a minority and the ratio of black women to black men was something like 4 to 1. I had classmates who came in perfectly fine but because the dating options were so horrible for them they came out wrecks (even the ones who didn't narrow themselves to dating exclusively black). I've always said if I had a daughter with those sorts of issues, I'd steer her to Spelman.

In general, I've also seen kids with racial identity issues learn real confidence in themselves by going to an HBCU.


But why you trying to act like a big part of the campus experience isn't being around new people with different backgrounds and learning to live and interact with them?


>upbringing issue... For anyone to attribute the "solution" to
>the "issue" as choosing to go to a PWI over an HBCU is very
>irresponsible and nullifies any semblance of intelligence
>towards the matter that they are trying to present to the
>world.
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

a sheltered upbringing. And folks shouldn't look to their choice in college as being the cure or solution to something that their folks should have instilled in them from jump. Of ALL the reasons to choose a college...THAT should not be a primary reason.

>You speak as if colleges don't have cultures. You should
>consider that culture before picking a school. I can think of
>a ton examples where students picked the wrong campus culture
>for them.

I agree with that.

>Remember the OKPer who wrote about her experience at that
>southern confederate worshipping college? bad culture fit.

I do. She picked the wrong school.... BUT she was probably SOLELY picking it for the very reason that sparked this entire post.

>I've said if I had a daughter who had self-esteem issues
>(especially self-esteem issues tied to race in any way), I
>would not send them to my undergrad where the Black women were
>such a minority and the ratio of black women to black men was
>something like 4 to 1. I had classmates who came in perfectly
>fine but because the dating options were so horrible for them
>they came out wrecks (even the ones who didn't narrow
>themselves to dating exclusively black). I've always said if
>I had a daughter with those sorts of issues, I'd steer her to
>Spelman.

Lol...I've actually said on here that I would NOT send my daughter to an HBCU....so yeah...there's that.

>In general, I've also seen kids with racial identity issues
>learn real confidence in themselves by going to an HBCU.

Exactly. That's why I think the message that is being conveyed by the article is so flawed.. And I don't really think that's what Aisha was ultimately saying either...

>But why you trying to act like a big part of the campus
>experience isn't being around new people with different
>backgrounds and learning to live and interact with them?

I'm not. But the reality is that folks usually go with what they know. It's rare...VERY rare that you see somebody flip culture cliques when they go to a college that they are suddenly a minority when they were previously part of the majority.




"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>a sheltered upbringing. And folks shouldn't look to their
>choice in college as being the cure or solution to something
>that their folks should have instilled in them from jump. Of
>ALL the reasons to choose a college...THAT should not be a
>primary reason.


I think you underestimate how segregated American lives are even in 2016. Remember the headline 75 Percent of White People Don’t Have Any Nonwhite Friends? I bet the number is very similar for black people.

But I will agree it shouldn't be a primary reason. but it should be a consideration at least as far as picking an HBCU (I don't think getting acclimated to white people isn't a good reason to pick a PWI school).






>
>>You speak as if colleges don't have cultures. You should
>>consider that culture before picking a school. I can think
>of
>>a ton examples where students picked the wrong campus
>culture
>>for them.
>
>I agree with that.
>
>>Remember the OKPer who wrote about her experience at that
>>southern confederate worshipping college? bad culture fit.
>
>I do. She picked the wrong school.... BUT she was probably
>SOLELY picking it for the very reason that sparked this entire
>post.

If I recall, I don't think so. I think she just underestimated what it would be like to go school in such an environment.


>
>>I've said if I had a daughter who had self-esteem issues
>>(especially self-esteem issues tied to race in any way), I
>>would not send them to my undergrad where the Black women
>were
>>such a minority and the ratio of black women to black men
>was
>>something like 4 to 1. I had classmates who came in
>perfectly
>>fine but because the dating options were so horrible for
>them
>>they came out wrecks (even the ones who didn't narrow
>>themselves to dating exclusively black). I've always said
>if
>>I had a daughter with those sorts of issues, I'd steer her
>to
>>Spelman.
>
>Lol...I've actually said on here that I would NOT send my
>daughter to an HBCU....so yeah...there's that.
>
>>In general, I've also seen kids with racial identity issues
>>learn real confidence in themselves by going to an HBCU.
>
>Exactly. That's why I think the message that is being conveyed
>by the article is so flawed.. And I don't really think that's
>what Aisha was ultimately saying either...


>>But why you trying to act like a big part of the campus
>>experience isn't being around new people with different
>>backgrounds and learning to live and interact with them?
>
>I'm not. But the reality is that folks usually go with what
>they know. It's rare...VERY rare that you see somebody flip
>culture cliques when they go to a college that they are
>suddenly a minority when they were previously part of the
>majority.

College is the only real time for alot of people are truly forced to deal and live with people unlike yourself. After that we go back to our cliques. Hopefully during that time folks make the most of it.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

belief, and propagation of this nonsense notion that Black people can't obtain a means of excelling as a minority in adult life unless they choose to go to a PWI that will challenge them and expose them to other cultures. It's B.S.

>I think you underestimate how segregated American lives are
>even in 2016. Remember the headline 75 Percent of White
>People Don’t Have Any Nonwhite Friends? I bet the number is
>very similar for black people.

No, I'm clear on how segregated American lives are. But I also know that in 2016, the world is much much smaller than it was when we grew up. There are many many many more opportunities for cultural exposure and education than there ever was before. Also, having friends of different races and cultures is great...but in general this starts waaaaay before college. And college ain't gonna solve it for the majority of Black kids that choose to go to a PWI for this reason.


>But I will agree it shouldn't be a primary reason. but it
>should be a consideration at least as far as picking an HBCU
>(I don't think getting acclimated to white people isn't a good
>reason to pick a PWI school).

>>>You speak as if colleges don't have cultures. You should
>>>consider that culture before picking a school. I can think
>>of
>>>a ton examples where students picked the wrong campus
>>culture
>>>for them.
>>
>>I agree with that.
>>
>>>Remember the OKPer who wrote about her experience at that
>>>southern confederate worshipping college? bad culture fit.
>>
>>I do. She picked the wrong school.... BUT she was probably
>>SOLELY picking it for the very reason that sparked this
>entire
>>post.
>
>If I recall, I don't think so. I think she just underestimated
>what it would be like to go school in such an environment.
>
>
>>
>>>I've said if I had a daughter who had self-esteem issues
>>>(especially self-esteem issues tied to race in any way), I
>>>would not send them to my undergrad where the Black women
>>were
>>>such a minority and the ratio of black women to black men
>>was
>>>something like 4 to 1. I had classmates who came in
>>perfectly
>>>fine but because the dating options were so horrible for
>>them
>>>they came out wrecks (even the ones who didn't narrow
>>>themselves to dating exclusively black). I've always said
>>if
>>>I had a daughter with those sorts of issues, I'd steer her
>>to
>>>Spelman.
>>
>>Lol...I've actually said on here that I would NOT send my
>>daughter to an HBCU....so yeah...there's that.
>>
>>>In general, I've also seen kids with racial identity issues
>>>learn real confidence in themselves by going to an HBCU.
>>
>>Exactly. That's why I think the message that is being
>conveyed
>>by the article is so flawed.. And I don't really think
>that's
>>what Aisha was ultimately saying either...
>
>
>>>But why you trying to act like a big part of the campus
>>>experience isn't being around new people with different
>>>backgrounds and learning to live and interact with them?

It can be, but it rarely is.


>>I'm not. But the reality is that folks usually go with what
>>they know. It's rare...VERY rare that you see somebody flip
>>culture cliques when they go to a college that they are
>>suddenly a minority when they were previously part of the
>>majority.
>
>College is the only real time for alot of people are truly
>forced to deal and live with people unlike yourself. After
>that we go back to our cliques. Hopefully during that time
>folks make the most of it.

I agree with that indeed. But I can't ride with shitting on HBCU's based on this cultural exposure and being able to function with white people B.S. reasoning. It's flawed...very flawed.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>belief, and propagation of this nonsense notion that Black
>people can't obtain a means of excelling as a minority in
>adult life unless they choose to go to a PWI that will
>challenge them and expose them to other cultures. It's B.S.

>I agree with that indeed. But I can't ride with shitting on
>HBCU's based on this cultural exposure and being able to
>function with white people B.S. reasoning. It's flawed...very
>flawed.
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."


Yeah I am not arguing that black people need to go to PWI to learn how to deal with white folks. Or am I shitting on HBCUs.

I am simply making the point that there are alot of black people (like myself) who had no real interaction with White Folks until college. I have never considered that a deficiency on my part. I love the way I was brought up because it did instill me with a lot of black pride. A black pride that, if a black kid went to white schools and had racial identity issues, I would encourage them to go to a HBCU so that they can have that same sort of pride.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

College is supposed to prepare you for "the real world". If you grow up in a community that just doesn't have any white people you may not be comfortable with interacting with them. That doesn't necessarily mean that somebody messed up...that's just your reality. I went to both a hbcu and pwi...the hbcu did nothing for me. It was the same experiences I had experienced my whole life. Going to a more diverse school imo is better for kids in similar scenarios (assuming you grew up around positive Black folks). Often you don't realize that you live in a bubble until you step out of it. I didn't transfer schools to experience white people, but once I did I realized that it was something that I needed. It may not be an experience that you needed, but it definitely is for a lot of people (whether they realize it or not). If I had to do it all over again I would make the same choice for that reason alone.

>upbringing issue... For anyone to attribute the "solution" to
>the "issue" as choosing to go to a PWI over an HBCU is very
>irresponsible and nullifies any semblance of intelligence
>towards the matter that they are trying to present to the
>world.
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."

I've never understood this argument. Unless you shop black, eat black and never leave the hood you are going to deal with white folk.

I went to a white college.

There were white kids in my school. and I had White teachers.

But I can count on my hand the number of white people's homes I have been inside and them inside my hand growing up.

College was the first time I had a conversation of any depth with a white person.

It was stepping out of my comfort zone.


It also comes down from my parents generation. They grew up, went to school, made money without every really having to deal with White People growing up in black circles in the South.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I learned white peoples ways early on...

I would preceded the opposite.

if I could make a grip and have limited interaction with white America I would do it in a heart beat.

hell, its prolly why I live down south.

black environments

and aint gotta tip toe and make white folks feel safe and happy

>black environments
>
>and aint gotta tip toe and make white folks feel safe and
>happy

especially if you own your own biz or work from home.

...ATL, parts of NYC, etc.

You can go two weeks easily in LA/Inglewood/Watts without seeing or even dealing with white people

LoL I have family that do it right today
No need to go to the grocery store but 1ce a week or 1ce every 2 weeks
then the other time you just be around the house or never leave your block/hood and see only those you grew up with

>You can go two weeks easily in LA/Inglewood/Watts without
>seeing or even dealing with white people
>
>LoL I have family that do it right today
>No need to go to the grocery store but 1ce a week or 1ce every
>2 weeks
>then the other time you just be around the house or never
>leave your block/hood and see only those you grew up with


Dude said live, work and play successfully. Are these middle class environments we are talking about?

Where you think the Jack and Jill set come from?



>>You can go two weeks easily in LA/Inglewood/Watts without
>>seeing or even dealing with white people
>>
>>LoL I have family that do it right today
>>No need to go to the grocery store but 1ce a week or 1ce
>every
>>2 weeks
>>then the other time you just be around the house or never
>>leave your block/hood and see only those you grew up with
>
>
>Dude said live, work and play successfully. Are these middle
>class environments we are talking about?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Where you think the Jack and Jill set come from?
>
>
>
>>>You can go two weeks easily in LA/Inglewood/Watts without
>>>seeing or even dealing with white people
>>>
>>>LoL I have family that do it right today
>>>No need to go to the grocery store but 1ce a week or 1ce
>>every
>>>2 weeks
>>>then the other time you just be around the house or never
>>>leave your block/hood and see only those you grew up with
>>
>>
>>Dude said live, work and play successfully. Are these
>middle
>>class environments we are talking about?

in the US. I'm trying to educate myself on this, but at the same time I know enough to know that some of these answers won't work for me.

have black people in them with dough.

At least they use to.



>>Where you think the Jack and Jill set come from?
>>
>>
>>
>>>>You can go two weeks easily in LA/Inglewood/Watts without
>>>>seeing or even dealing with white people
>>>>
>>>>LoL I have family that do it right today
>>>>No need to go to the grocery store but 1ce a week or 1ce
>>>every
>>>>2 weeks
>>>>then the other time you just be around the house or never
>>>>leave your block/hood and see only those you grew up with
>>>
>>>
>>>Dude said live, work and play successfully. Are these
>>middle
>>>class environments we are talking about?
>
>in the US. I'm trying to educate myself on this, but at the
>same time I know enough to know that some of these answers
>won't work for me.
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

At my gig now

I literally trip off of how white folks come in here thinking THEIR ways of doin/handling shit will fly
and they ass get humbled wit the quickness

>I literally trip off of how white folks come in here thinking
>THEIR ways of doin/handling shit will fly
>and they ass get humbled wit the quickness
>

I'D HAAAATE to have to do biz with your office
You make it seem likethe penultimate of ineptness

I've yet to come across a massively Black staffed office/biz and they had that shit run like a Lean/Six Sigma system was in place

contractor

funny thing is it's not 'us' that's inept...it's moreso the whole system...we just come in and fall into the 'culture'

I've worked for several orgs with a lot of black folks at the top(as far as upper and mid mgmt.)...some ran better than other

it's case by case.... I won't throw gender in the mix but that has been a factor

stood in line at the post office for 45 mins on a saturday just cause the workers aint feel like working
i'm like shit nigga, don't be mad at ME cause you signed up for this shit!
i need my fucking MAIL!!

your label or your crew lol

the Post Office is a close #2

anywhere with a union aint gonna give a shit about you...and openly treat you as such w/ no repercussions

>contractor
>
>funny thing is it's not 'us' that's inept...it's moreso the
>whole system...we just come in and fall into the 'culture'
>
>I've worked for several orgs with a lot of black folks at the
>top(as far as upper and mid mgmt.)...some ran better than
>other
>
>it's case by case.... I won't throw gender in the mix but that
>has been a factor
>
>

places where you can work with a bunch of other Blacks & make a nice middle class (at worst) living. So yeah that's an ideal space, but I just don't there are opportunities like that for Black folk all over the country.

>Dude said live, work and play successfully. Are these middle
>class environments we are talking about?

only middle class blacks i know all live and work amongst whites everyday

now they might not be the KIND of Black folks you expect them to be....but if you wanted to move through life like that...it can be done..



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Kev

folks while I was there. Or, mainly, I should say. I interact with YT just fine now.

And a bunch of the kids I knew who went to HBCUs seem to be doing just fine out in the real world.

>When asked what advice would you give African-American high
>school students who are thinking about where to attend college
>she said: “I’d say: ‘Step out of your comfort zone.
>Don’t pick a college that replicates what you did in high
>school. Test yourself in an unfamiliar context so that you can
>learn to succeed no matter where you are placed, so that you
>know you can excel’.”

for some people that could have very well been a Black college

http://www.people.com/article/talks-aisha-tyler-opens-up-about-divorce-jeff-tietjens

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Last year...
It's really my only 'contact' with her..never watched her shows...don't watch the talk show.

But I've always wondered why I've hardly, if ever, heard her bring up her husband in any of her interviews. Figured she was just compartmentalizing...might have been this. *shrug*

I wish her the best...from her interviews alone...I think she's pretty amazing and I'm a huge fan.

.

turned out to be the most balanced ass black folks I know

further, they really and I mean, REALLY know who they are.

I'm a nerdy dude and most of my people are varying shades of nerd.

There is an interesting line where the black nerds I know who didnt go to an HBCU drank the kool aid and got lost in whiteness pre-mid 2000s style (aka too weird to be black when that was a mindset - "oh you skatebordt negro?! you white or sumpin?").
aka: nerding out over H.P. Lovecraft

The black nerds who did go to an HBCU all turned out to be black as fuck while also being ultra nerd about it because they were exposed to and lived the concept that there is an infinite fucking spectrum of blackness (which T. Coates also recently covered in his last book)
aka: nerding out over Octavia Butler

I would rather be a person who knows who the fuck I am over some lost shit.

Just because you came up in that environment does not mean you do not know how to interface with the mainstream world.

>turned out to be the most balanced ass black folks I know
>
>further, they really and I mean, REALLY know who they are.
>
>I'm a nerdy dude and most of my people are varying shades of
>nerd.
>
>There is an interesting line where the black nerds I know who
>didnt go to an HBCU drank the kool aid and got lost in
>whiteness pre-mid 2000s style (aka too weird to be black when
>that was a mindset - "oh you skatebordt negro?! you white or
>sumpin?").
>aka: nerding out over H.P. Lovecraft
>
>The black nerds who did go to an HBCU all turned out to be
>black as fuck while also being ultra nerd about it because
>they were exposed to and lived the concept that there is an
>infinite fucking spectrum of blackness (which T. Coates also
>recently covered in his last book)
>aka: nerding out over Octavia Butler
>
>I would rather be a person who knows who the fuck I am over
>some lost shit.
>
>Just because you came up in that environment does not mean you
>do not know how to interface with the mainstream world.
>
>

"nerding out over Octavia Butler"

Over 2k black students at my school and I was that *one* black dude doing _______ a lot of times. Got a bunch of attention for it and people tend to remember me, so it wasn't all bad tho. Looking back, I kinda wish I went to a school with more black folks that were weird too.

>turned out to be the most balanced ass black folks I know
>
>further, they really and I mean, REALLY know who they are.
>


Less depression among Black folks who
attend all Black colleges as opposed
to those in environments like Yale.
I might look it up when I have time if
someone doesn't beat me to it.

As far as: try a college outside of what you experienced in high school. Say for an example if you went to a high school that was primarily one race (whatever the race) try a more mixed one or if you went east coast, try west coast, or US try outside US. Mix your atmosphere up so you experience as many as you can.

because the whole spectrum of human behavior exists at an HBCU....

and that post title is some bullshit

>percentages she has a white dude? 96.5%

as well as her parents being blackity Black and her alt SF schooling

Obamas are still taking this education route...

Shonda chilling with no man over a clueless black or Black one

and yes he is divorcing her because of ambition which sees no color

Dont you need data stating this fact before making an argument for or against?


Sounds like unfounded bias fueling an agenda.