C'mon man. I hope he's getting a big brother talk in that pic of him and Pusha.

jesus we all lost

-Penned "Be Free" in his memory
-Allows single mothers to stay in his childhood
home rent-free
-Set up the Dreamville Foundation


I don't care what he shows up wearing.
He shows up for the right reasons.

Cmon

>-Penned "Be Free" in his memory
>-Allows single mothers to stay in his childhood
>home rent-free
>-Set up the Dreamville Foundation
>
>
>I don't care what he shows up wearing.
>He shows up for the right reasons.
>
>
>
>
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I get why some people think so.
I just don't.

>I get why some people think so.
>I just don't.
>
>
>

You may not think so but we do? That's basically what your reply is, so I responded the same. See how that works.

Or I could've done what this whole post was about and shown u some respect.

>You may not think so but we do? That's basically what your
>reply is, so I responded the same. See how that works.



I see exactly how it works. The only difference
is you have to insult ppl when you disagree with
them like an untrained 4 yr old.


>Or I could've done what this whole post was about and shown u
>some respect.


That would have required you being a respectful
person to begin with.

r-e-s-p-e-c-t

comfortable? People very often tour the
white house in tees and shorts, and it's
never viewed as disrespectful to be in
there like that.

trust me....he looked AAAKWAAARD.

Not wearing a suit to go to the White House when former drug dealers like Pusha T has enough smarts and respect to wear one is fucking hilarious lol

Even racist republicans know to wear a suit when you get invited to his house lol

Pretty sure *you* just tell 'em they're only
mad because he's black or whatever your usual
schtick is. You ain't foolin' nobody.

>Not wearing a suit to go to the White House when former drug
>dealers like Pusha T has enough smarts and respect to wear one
>is fucking hilarious lol


There we go again. Anyone who disagrees with you
is lacking smarts in your small brain.



>Even racist republicans know to wear a suit when you get
>invited to his house lol



Yet they still disrespect him, because
that "disrespect" argument is usually
about the way he's treated and addressed,
not what the person has on.

you would be saying the complete opposite.You'll deny it of course but you know its true.

>you would be saying the complete opposite.You'll deny it of
>course but you know its true.

Respect the Office, period.

You're insulting anyone who disagrees with you,
but this post is about respect? Grow up.

Jan Brewer had on a suit at the time, btw.

.

no current artist encapsulates the BLM ethos more than he does


way more than Kendrick


way more

and to say he does more than Kendrick....wth

Just trying to ruffle these drake fan boy's feathers a bit

but it definitely ain't about Black Lives Matter

>no current artist encapsulates the BLM ethos more than he
>does
>
>
>way more than Kendrick
>
>
>way more

It doesn't seem like anyone else in this thread is seeing the connection, enlighten us.

be side tracked and complaining about what someone wore.

For real, are you really tripping off the fact he didn't wear a suit?

think its moreso cuz of this pic

https://twitter.com/HeadphoneJones_/status/721150093685092352

With the homeless of DC.

Shit had me dyin!

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

But next week you'll be posting about whatever rapper wore or did or said about whatever unimportant topic....but I'll let u run with whatever agenda u think u have lol

Cole, Monae, Common, Chance... who else you got?

This got yall sayin Pusha T, the musical drug kingpin
is model citizen next to Cole? Lol, this is rich.
Appearances over character for yall tho, I guess.

you made a thread on a message board about an outfit someone wore to the white house.... the only thing you needed to do was POST THE MOTHERFUCKIN LINK HOLY SHIT

And he looks ridiculous.

but i somewhat agree with you.

im an anti-suit person, but i do think you need to dress for the occasion. if not a suit he could of came better.

at first glace i honestly thought he had on khakis with red tennis shoes, i didnt see the elastic at the bottom of his pants.

And I don't mean "pants instead of shorts" I mean "pants instead of showing up in his draws."

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

to it?

out of school for a while, now. But he def still has the look of a college junior.

Pusha T's & Busta were dressed very sharply and he just sticks out like a sore thumb. My momma raised me right so I'm gonna wear a suit to meet the first black president fuck yall.

I'm gonna rock the BLM pin on my suit tho...

clothes make the man
dress to impress
one chance to make a first impression
etc.

this man has a manager, right?

or some kind of staff.

an assistant, maybe?

is his mom alive?

too many SOMEBODIES should've and maybe did advise him about how to dress when making an official visit to the WH. sheesh. but damn he's a grown man he shouldn't need anyone to tell him how to properly dress for that occasion.

*smh*

So he just went in his PJs

Like understand dressing (business) casually. But at look like you washed up before coming to the White house

But he washed up ashore.

perhaps he wanted to be comfortable
be who he is
keeping things real...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avr7enrZuJQ

a suit don't necessarily make one fresh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FFG1NqKzCg

1. Sartorialist David Tang suggests calling the WH social secretary for advice:

https://next.ft.com/content/1b617614-0a73-11e3-9cec-00144feabdc0

"If, however, you are going to a small gathering or a fairly intimate repast (of no more than a dozen, say), then it would be perfectly in order to telephone the presidential social secretary at the White House for the exact dress code: not to ascertain what you are not required to wear, but what you are asked to wear."

2. from the pix i've seen all the other folks who attended the meeting wore suits. J. Cole stuck out. i suspect that happened b/c those other ppl were (properly) advised to wear suits. maybe b/c they or their ppl called the WH social secretary. or b/c they just have common sense.

is this devil's advocacy or do you actually believe it's acceptable for a person to show up for a business meeting w/the POTUS at the WH dressed in sweatpants?

like, if your son had a meeting w/the POTUS at the WH would you be okay w/him showing up for that in the same clothes he'd wear to go play basketball w/his friends?

what's going on here?

I'd want my son to be who he is
people can spot a phony...

>I'd want my son to be who he is
>people can spot a phony...
>
>

you're one of those.

right on.

most ppl and most parents understand that there are situations where ppl need to dress up to show respect for an occasion or person. like when a person is going to court where they are a party to civil or criminal or family case - generally they're advised to at least wear business casual clothing. the point is to show the judge that they respect her/his authority by wearing clothing other than casual or relatively informal stuff. similarly many houses of worship ask congregants/parishioners/visitors/et al to dress up to show honor to a deity and to the congregation itself. the same is true when meeting heads of state or royalty when one has been formally invited to meet w/the head of state to discuss business.

i'm sure this isn't new to you.

anyway, that's why some of us are bristling at J. Cole's attire - it seems disrespectful. or like he didn't take the meeting seriously. like he wasn't honored to be invited to have an audience w/the POTUS. especially considering we're talking about the first black prez and J. Cole is a young black man invited to speak w/the president about Cole's work on mentoring programs targeting young black men. his appearance kinda sent the wrong message to the young black men he mentors - considering he'd be wise to advise them that when they're invited to a meeting like that they should dress in a manner that presents them in their best light and communicates respect for the person/org w/whom they're meeting. showing up in sweatpants for that meeting doesn't accomplish that.

https://media.giphy.com/media/zW6645bgYXnmE/giphy.gif

i have no idea what you're going on about.

i'd advise a student not to wear Daisy Dukes and high heels to school b/c that outfit likely violates the school's dress code as it's likely to disrupt the learning environment. but even if it doesn't i'd advise the kid to consider wearing something else that shows s/he is taking school seriously.

givin what he raps about... I respect it

http://thedrop.fm/files/2013/04/j-cole-zink-21-e1366316180906.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/2f8c5e81ed357c634ac5d24ce65850d3/tumblr_mqbm2kL38I1qfz8soo1_250.gif

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/86/91/74/869174eb8c66ab5e121baf74b1fbd935.jpg

The idea that we have to be wearing suits
to be respected as human beings, etc.
That was probably one of the main issues
discussed, and of the people present, it's
very possible that he had the most insightful
things to say.
I'd love to see an interview where
someone asks him about why he chose to
dress the way he did for the occasion.

this ain't that.

this is about J. Cole SHOWING respect by dressing up for a business meeting w/the first black POTUS at the WH in order to discuss his work mentoring black youth.

How is this respectability politics?

What is your skepticism based on?

no.

i have a problem w/what J. Cole wore to the WH for a business meeting w/the POTUS b/c that attire showed disrespect to the POTUS. i disagree that J. Cole needed to dress up in order be shown respect BY the POTUS. the POTUS should show that respect w/o regard for what J. Cole wears. but J. Cole displayed bad form by not dressing up for that occasion.

Flat out said "this ain't that"
as if you know why he's dressed
as he is.

i meant that we here in this post are not engaged in respectability politics as i understand that phrase.

i'm not saying J. Cole didn't deserve to be respected b/c of his attire. i'm saying that he showed disrespect by dressing as he did. so 'this' ain't that. meaning - the criticism of J. Cole ain't respectability politics. i wasn't speaking on J. Cole's motives for wearing that outfit - i dunno why he wore it.

they asked for HIS help. He respected them enough to show up. They should respect the HIM that shows up. Otherwise ask someone else if its a dealbreaker.

I'm all for respecting the process, but if this isn't some formality then yeah let's talk business, not attire.

but yeah, he LOOKS crazy.

He was in Ferguson before any of them. Maybe its a silent protest.

His message and his appearance. We can easily talk about both independently.

The message in his music might be positive relative to the other visitors. That doesn't change the fact that he is dressed like a bum to meet the President.

and southern niggas dress up for no damn reason half the time...

maybe TLA lost his bags or he lost a bet with Bust a last night?

also, the sweats are worse than braids?

he could've consulted w/others who've met w/the POTUS for a meeting at the WH to ask.

he could've asked anyone w/common sense, really.

no excuses....

>also, the sweats are worse than braids?

A hairstyle change isn't a reasonable expectation under the circumstances. In addition to that, a hairstyle may have some cultural, or personal significance.

his dusty sloppy as appearance.


"it's very possible that he had the most insightful things to say."






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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

her fiance, Dabnis Brickey. in the end the Huxtables came to like him but at first they were turned off. it was b/c of the way Vanessa presented him. Dr. Huxtable likened the presentation to having one's favorite meal served up on a dirty trash can lid.

that stuck w/me b/c it went along w/lessons i'd learned from my parents that'd been reinforced at school and in church - the importance of appropriate presentation when one is trying to effectively communicate. and as a lawyer i apply that lesson considering i'm in the business of persuasion. i understand that the ppl w/whom i'm communicating are more likely to receive my message if i present myself appropriately given the context in which i'm presenting. so i'll wear a suit to court when i'm trying to persuade other lawyers and judges and juries. i'll dress up when i'm meeting w/clients. i might not dress up in a suit when i'm out on an investigation. i might not dress up when i'm meeting another lawyer outside court - depending. but anyway, point is - presentation matters.

i'd definitely dress up if i were invited to the WH to meet w/the POTUS about a program or an issue that's crucial to me. b/c i'd want my message to be received and i wouldn't want the POTUS to spend too much time thinking about what i'm wearing such that he might not hear what i'm saying.

but real talk, why does okp get so upset when discussing female attire when it comes to short dresses and plunging neck lines?

or sagging pants???

seems like as soon as we have that discussion everyone runs back to the other side and claims a pers9n can wear what they want.

>but real talk, why does okp get so upset when discussing
>female attire when it comes to short dresses and plunging neck
>lines?
>
>or sagging pants???


Probably quite a few 35+yos-dressing-like-18yos on this board and in this post.

seems to be a lost concept on alotta folks,
but it's actually a real thing.

like the shit had a glittery sheen. And he didn't wear a white jacket.

It's already a trip when doctors are around your age or even younger but that threw me off.


Turn out to be a good doctor though.

When I was fresh out of college I was on some appearance didn't matter it's all about the brains. Took me awhile to get the importance of the whole appearance thing. Like I just started buying ish that fit me in the last five years.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You not gonna listen to the only
college educated nigga at the meeting,
citing formality as your issue lol.
Very backwards, but that's your decision.
*shrugs*

Nobody is questioning his message or even his qualifications. That is a completely separate issue from the way that he is dressed to meet the president.

What if he showed up in his drawers? Would that be okay? I mean he still has a good message and he graduated from college, so what does that matter.

is, why are you equating what he has on
to wearing an under garment? Lol


>Nobody is questioning his message or even his qualifications.
>That is a completely separate issue from the way that he is
>dressed to meet the president.
>
>What if he showed up in his drawers? Would that be okay? I
>mean he still has a good message and he graduated from
>college, so what does that matter.

But he's college educated.

aka: presentation matters just as much as substance

>perhaps he wanted to be comfortable
>be who he is
>keeping things real...
>
>
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

there is no dress code for the white house.

on your albums...

Cole gonna Cole but c'mon bruh... least you could do is iron your sweats

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XGCFcLx0QVU/hqdefault.jpg

Come the fuck on.

Nigga look like he was just walking around the White House with a big bag of Cool Ranch dusting his hands off before he dapped up people.

Y'all dudes know better.

and I'm a Cole can but damn he didn't have to show up like this

>Nigga look like he was just walking around the White House
>with a big bag of Cool Ranch dusting his hands off before he
>dapped up people.

LOL

>Nigga look like he was just walking around the White House
>with a big bag of Cool Ranch dusting his hands off before he
>dapped up people.

he wore ripped jeans

http://img.theqoo.net/proxy.php?url=i.imgur.com/8MQLSL7.gif

and (generally) folks thought it was dope that he was even there. him and his boys went "jail pose" and i didnt see a negative peep

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbF9ipUcAAh15j.jpg

this whole convo is odd on multiple levels....slow Monday I guess

not picking a side, just noting this is an odd thing to wrangle about AFTER THE FACT (note to self: know your audience)

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/12/kendrick-lamar-obama-white-house

different situation. it was a photo op.

this wasn't that.

AFAIK there are no pix of this meeting - the only pix we have are of the attendees leaving the WH.

"...committing more than $500 million in grants and in-kind resources and $1 billion in financing through community banks..."



Would you show up to a $1,000,000 mortgage interview wearing that attire?

Would you allow a man to show up to YOUR wedding wearing that?

A funeral?

however, he was "invited"
if the invitation doesn't specifically mention a dress code
I have every right to show up as I please...

no one is calling for Cole to have been arrested by police due to his attire and indeed he wasn't arrested. his right to dress as he pleased is not questioned.

the question is whether his attire was rude. bad decorum. disrespectful. distasteful. ill-mannered.

but we agree that he was well w/in his rights as an American citizen to wear what he wore.

🤔

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

There's a time and a place for everything and in this case, looking like a bum for that situation wasn't the time or place. Especially for a dude in his 30s.

Wearing a suit or at least dressing in a business casual outfit for this one occasion would not have killed him. I swear, some of you cats on this site will defend some of the dumbest things in the name of non conformity.


Since 1976

He done turned his life around doing positive shit for the community, being a role model n shit and his still on that bullshit ass brother gets an White House invite.

Menace II Society listening to music. Somebody put on No Malice and he yanked out the aux cord. "That shit gets no play in my ride."

https://youtu.be/88f77vtQ3-8?t=14s

Who went to college.

Pusha T's probably the only true 'Illustrious School of The Corner Boy' graduate and even his ass showed up looking like a Reverend.

While I do love what J Cole does as far as causes are concerned, something about him irks me...as if he's putting up a well calculated front.

Similar to how he was a bit irked when people found out he was married...there's this image he's trying to cultivate that seems fake.

lol

what if he's just a bum
like, doesn't know how to dress?

how true is reply #27

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/86/91/74/869174eb8c66ab5e121baf74b1fbd935.jpg

hell, I was a bum everyday except Easter lol

and why not on Easter?

b/c that's the point here.

that despite how one may normally dress there are

no. i'm not doing this. b/c you're not this dense.

And Black POTUS is like seeing Haley's comet during a lunar eclipse.

and anyway the point here is that it was rude for homie to dress that way for a biz meeting w/the prez - the first black prez. especially since homie is a black man who works w/black men and is a leader/mentor. w/all of that i'd expect him to WANT to show respect by dressing up. you know, as all of the other attendees seemed to dress up.

the thing that irks me about Cole is dude curses way too much and it doesn't sound natural.

I love his music but he definitely reminds me of a non hood dude trying to be hard as hell.

>the thing that irks me about Cole is dude curses way too much
>and it doesn't sound natural.

But I can rarely ever get into any of his songs.

>lol
>
>what if he's just a bum
>like, doesn't know how to dress?
>
>how true is reply #27


THIS NIGGA WAS PLAYING VIOLINS AS A CHILD. You telling me this type of motherfucker don't know how to dress like church?

He's like the dudes I used to see on campus making sure their Timb's were unlaced 'just the right way'.

how we're in here saying cause he went to the WH
met Obama
the first black pres
you know, nigga theories...

/

it doesn't show up for me that way
like, he's not going out of his way to be different
nor rebellious...disrespectful
be it corny or whatever...it is him lol

All Biracials especially those that have a white mom are the worst they go extra with any black cause to prove they are down ie Alicia Keys but you should find all their black love shit funny since their cousins who they are down with are white as some white on white uptowns.


It is comical

https://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/obama-transparency1.jpg

More like him goin out his way to not conform and be on some hippy shyt

Like he was tryin too hard but not in the trying to be hood way

Like I guarantee he had bars wrote already about showing up to the white house in sweats and embarrassing his mom and letting obama down


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Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!!

>Like I guarantee he had bars wrote already about showing up to
>the white house in sweats and embarrassing his mom and letting
>obama down

I see your point. In my mind the scenerio's more like, "What would the brothers be wearing that we are trying to help? Imma go there representing them!"

*Throws on $600 dollar Kanye sweats*

Since 1976

>Like I guarantee he had bars wrote already about showing up to
>the white house in sweats and embarrassing his mom and letting
>obama down

*pause*

as a Cole fan, I thought "Please don't let him
write that verse", because part of me feels like
it's very possible lol.

That's why I had mentioned in my other post about non conformity. Dude seems like he wanted to show that he's not impressed or moved to do what the 'status quo' would expect of him and instead wanted to show that he's not in anyone's box.



Since 1976

I am thinking that dude had a change of clothes and just got out the gym.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i haven't seen pix from the meeting. i dunno that any were taken or have been released publicly.

so he didn't...dude probably showed up like "oh...we were supposed to wear suits?"

and a black long-sleeve.


not a button up.

All the grown men look gorwn, the kid looks like a kid.

*shrug*

in a press conference in his 12 season.

aint busta like 50? which is the new 30? which makes 31 the new 11?