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13005430, She didn't flip-flop though. Not on TV and not in these statements
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Apr-15-16 11:20 AM
Her position is pretty simple, I am open to raising the limit but she didn't want to burden middle-class folks between the 100k - 200k range. There are several ways to keep social security solvent and she will fix it and it will be paid for by the wealthiest Americans.

Her statements below are consistent with that position.


Again I don't think Hillary is a great communicator because the nuances of her statements (folks making between 100k - 200k shouldn't be treated like the truly wealthy) get lost on folks.

Maybe her point was too wonky for the folks to get, but those statements are not at all inconsistent.



>In 2007, she opposed raising the cap. The WaPo describes her
>conversation with an Iowa voter at the time as follows:
>
>"She told him she didn't want to put an additional tax burden
>on the middle class but would consider a 'gap,' with no Social
>Security taxes on income from $97,500 to around $200,000.
>Anything above that could be taxed."
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101101292.html
>
>She criticized Obama in 2008 for proposing raising the cap,
>accusing him of supporting "a trillion-dollar tax increase on
>America's working families":
>
>http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-01-16-1797040513_x.htm
>
>Then, last October, she said:
>
>"And I want to look at raising the cap. I think that’s
>something we should look at how we do it, because I don’t
>want it to be an extra burden on middle-class families and in
>some parts of the country, there’s a different level of
>income that defines middle class."
>
>http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/say-it-aint-so-hillary-clinton-youre-open-idea-raising-retirement-age
>
>This February, she said:
>
>“Obviously, lifting the cap at some point or another is a
>very live possibility,” she said during a Des Moines
>Register editorial board meeting last month."
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-differ-details-social-security-plans/80078816/
>
>But now she won't commit to it. As the New York Times points
>out:
>
>"Her loud praise of Social Security doesn’t change the fact
>that she won’t commit to raising the cap on the amount of
>earnings subject to Social Security payroll tax beyond the
>current $118,500."
>
>http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/clinton-and-sanders-show-their-exhaustion/?_r=0
>
>Again, she stakes out positions on all sides of an issue. The
>question becomes, are we talking about the October 2007
>Hillary, the January 2008 Hillary, the August 2015 Hillary,
>the February 2016 Hillary, or the April 2016 Hillary?
>
>This is the pattern with her, on issue after issue. There's no
>way to know where she stands on anything, because her position
>could change next week.


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