I feel like in our lifetime, Elvis's status as a rock 'n' roll great has diminished significantly. I realize this when people talked about Michael Jackson owning the Beatles catalog, and white people being mad about it. No one ever mentioned that he also on Elvis's catalog.

The ones who were big fans during his prime still have that love for him.

Either way, I don't feel like his legacy is what it was 25 or 30 years ago.

the people who would ride hardest for him are grandparents now

separated from his fervent fandom timeframe he is little more than a glorified "boyband" type solo artist geared toward the teens of his time

His career started taking off in the 50s, so the baby boomers weren't old enough yet at that point. His movie career was hot in the 60s, so some of the early boomers were teenagers then.

But yeah, I think folks who were big Elvis fans in the 50s still carry a torch for him.

But Elvis was waay bigger in my childhood than now.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Pop stars die as their fans die.

Bob Marley? Marvin Gaye?

I think the problem is you have to make new fans.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Well, there kinda were, for a few years, in a very small segment of Viennese society. But that's not really pop stardom. 'Classical' and jazz music survives on an intellectual level, not as a cultural movement.

I agree with your point about getting new fans, though. I think that's how the Beatles have outlasted Elvis as long as they have. But it can only go on for so long.

interest in older popular music goes, they eff with the Classic Rock period more than the earlier Rock'N'Roll period.

One YT co-worker's 10 year old daughter is infatuated with the Beatles.

But that kind of thing comes in and out.

There's currently a Hot Jazz scene (jazz from the 1920's and 30's) that's been bubbling for the last 5 or 6 years.

know that Michael Jackson is King. however in AMerikkka what else do you expect to be the answer? Elvis is loved by old school and represents another period as if some white folks try to distance themselves from and embrace the Beatles.

its a trip how it works.

I swear some of them young white cats canNOT talk about any
rap-related without squeezing him into the conversation.
Shit's so annoying I just don't even talk Hip Hop with a
couple of white cats at work. They bring it up and I just
smoove change the subject on some "you seen that IP Man 3 tho???"

Eminem fans are the worst!

believes

...that easily equates out to the white community putting him on a pedestal

For boomers I'd say Beatles..

Just don't here elvis music convo much...

since I was a little kid.

I disagree with he notion that fans are a depreciating asset.

I think Fandom reflects modern trends and tastes and it's possible for modern fans to find an older act that reflects their taste and that act can get newfound heights of fandom.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

in the 80s or 90s, that shit would have been an instant money maker and probably won an Oscar or two

The supermarket gossip rags used to always have someone saying they saw Elvis in a supermarket in Iowa or something.

Was he the 1st celebrity that had folks doubting he was really dead with post-death sightings like that?

> Was he the 1st celebrity that had folks doubting he was
>really dead with post-death sightings like that?

My first reaction was, "What? That stuff really did happen."

Then I thought about it and was like...

http://giphy.com/gifs/laughing-work-shaq-atQXlRTntnPA4

> Was he the 1st celebrity that had folks doubting he was
>really dead with post-death sightings like that?

Nah. Before him it was JFK sightings. There's a long history of "after death" sighting of celebrities. Went along with the hey-day of UFO sightings.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You mentioned Johnny Cash above, and "I Walk the Line" did a lot to solidify his legacy in modern times right after he died (it had been in development before his passing). See also: Ray Charles (he died only a few months before the movie was released).

Elvis has been absent from popular culture for a while now. And the Beatles won't go away. So, yeah, right now, the Beatles are seen as "The kings."

so his likeness would not end up some kitschy public domain like Elvis'.

> I feel like in our lifetime, Elvis's status as a rock 'n'
>roll great has diminished significantly. I realize this when
>people talked about Michael Jackson owning the Beatles
>catalog, and white people being mad about it. No one ever
>mentioned that he also on Elvis's catalog.

as iconic as MJ and Marley and the Beatles and others were from a popstar and image perspective the thing that will keep their legend alive is the body of work they left behind...just great records. Elvis doesn't really have that...not like those guys.

j/k

does he have any songs that get burn in old white spots?

1/2 of the song's writing duo even said
hers is his favorite version

that people really identify with him

LoL
A old lady in the NICU always is playing some Elvis

I don't remember what it's for but the kid draws all the pictures of his relationship with his girl. And it's not Elvis singing, it's a woman.

But it'll always be considered his song.

and it still goes hard with Cissy Houston and the Jordanaires sanging on backup

Plus that Junkie XL remix of "A Little Less Conversation" was everywhere

Hopefully someone will still care tomorrow

> I feel like in our lifetime, Elvis's status as a rock 'n'
>roll great has diminished significantly.

This is most likely parallel to interest in rock and roll (as opposed to rock) declining in general.

To use the example - when I was a kid, Elvis was everywhere; I had an LP of Elvis's gold records by the time I was 5 or 6; my folks weren't particularly big fans but listened to the then-nascent oldies radio format a lot. I remember being in my mom's red Pontiac wagon with vinyl seats that you stick to in summer - it was August when he died - when we heard that he died on the radio. The DJ was crying.

Throughout the 80s Elvis remained visible via tabloid fodder (the previously mentioned sightings, etc.) I went to college in a small town in Vermont that still somehow managed to have its own Elvis impersonator who dressed *every day* like '68 comeback special Elvis and drove a big black Cadillac with KING tags on it.

But the connection to Elvis became much less visceral in the 1990s as he was reduced to jumpsuited impersonators in parachutes, wedding chapels, leaving the building and thank-you-very-much. My kids know him, know he was called The King of Rock n Roll, know who he is, but what they know is the pompadour, the jump suit, the goofy glasses, not Sun Records or schlocky movies or any idea who Scotty Moore is or even Colonel Parker. Elvis's legacy became a victim of his own parodic potential.

Musically, he's a victim of a few things

-the fact that after the first few years he primarily recorded schlock, so outside of 'Suspicious Minds' and a few others you don't really hear his music that often, a fact that is not without reason. After '68, he was primarily kept in the musical spotlight by his live shows, which were much more revue rather than rock concert.

-More importantly, since his most visceral music was recorded between 54 and 57, is the fact that pre-Beatles rock and roll simply didn't matter to the majority of white kids who grew up after the Beatles. Classic rock - beginning with the Beatles - has managed to remain relevant to youth in successive generations in ways that rockabilly, RnB, jump blues, early soul and the other ingredients that coexisted under the Rock and Roll banner in the mid-50s have never been able to. We knew who Elvis was because he mattered so much to so many in our parents' generation, but ourselves? we never really gave a shit about him. Kids in my generation or even today found and find it worthwhile to parse the discographies of the rock pantheon, Motown, Stax, but no one is ticking off Elvis's discography - or combing the discographies of Sun or Chess or the many other labels that put out rock and roll records.

>I realize this when
>people talked about Michael Jackson owning the Beatles
>catalog, and white people being mad about it.

Weird, I don't remember anyone being mad about it (except maybe Paul), even though it was in the news. I dunno though.

>No one ever
>mentioned that he also on Elvis's catalog.

Didn't know that. Apparently he also owned Little Richard's.

*shrug*

He's a remnant of another era. Many of his fans have died off.

No one I know (over 50 set) thinks this. He was talented, but not the true King (whatever that means).

Most of my contemporary crackalackers think The Beatles, JB and MJ are G.O.A.T. Maybe Pink Floyd and Zeppelin too.

And personally, I'd add D'Angelo to that list, though sadly he isn't considered that way in the mass consciousness.