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13167206, Your shit doesn't logically follow.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Jun-20-17 02:34 PM
All Lives Matter would be if someone was talking about Philando Castile and I came in arguing "BUT WHAT ABOUT OTTO??!?"

That's changing the subject from a black person dying at the hands of police to making it about white people as a form of misdirection.

Independent of that conversation saying the murder of Otto Warmbier is wrong because I believe that the murder of anyone by cops is the opposite of that and is a position based on principle. A principle that if it were universally applied, would greatly benefit black people.

Listen the author could have made an excellent point tying the death of Otto Warmbier to Philando Castile by making the point of being white in north korea gives a glimpse of what it's like to black in america, where non-compliance with minor police directives can cost you your life. If you can empathize with Otto, then you should empathize with Philando.

Instead the author makes the exact opposite point which is Otto should have known better and complied with the rules of his environment...which is the exact argument people make defending racist american cops.

if you can't see the difference between the those two positions I am not sure what I can tell you on an internet message board.





>
>>
>>To say all unlawful killings at the hands of the police is
>an
>>all lives matter argument is an woefully underestimation of
>>how pernicious all lives arguments are. The goal of All
>Lives
>>Matter is to misdirect attention from police killings of
>black
>>people.
>
>"all unlawful killings at the hands of the police" is
>misdirecting attention from Blacks killed by the police and
>the neighborhood watch garbage, the racist who doesn't like
>loud music, and the volunteer with the police. It's more than
>the police killing unarmed Blacks in the U.S. and getting away
>with it.
>
>>What yall short-sighted petty mofos are missing is that to
>>cheer on the killing of people at the hands of the police
>>ultimately hurts black people and undermines the moral
>>authority of BLM's positions.
>>
>
>Nah the cause is hurt when you provide cover for the usual
>suspects to shift the focus of the argument or article. Just
>look up above, they go after the author of the article hard
>the same way you are attacking people for pointing out the
>obvious, that it's a bad idea to travel to these places.
>
>>If you truly believe that the police do not have a right to
>>take the lives of innocent citizens, then it shouldn't
>matter
>>whether the victim is black, white, progressive, trump
>>supporter, etc. That's not supporting all lives matter,
>>that's maintaining a principled position,
>>
>
>Not really, if the punishment for taking the life of an
>innocent changes based on whether victim is black, white,
>progressive, trump supporter then it does matter and it is all
>lives matter or blue lives matter. You are not maintaining a
>principled position you are enabling whites by letting them
>off the hook.


Who is letting anyone off the hook? I am saying that if a cop unlawfully takes the life of a black person, white person, trump supporter, progressive, etc. then that cop should be punished. Where am I letting anyone off the hook?




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>>
>>>
>>>Meanwhile Otto's father said Kerry and the Obama admin is
>>the
>>>reason his son did not come home sooner. He gave Trump
>>credit
>>>for his son's release.
>>
>>Again, what does Otto's father's position have anything to
>do
>>with whether he was mistreated or not?
>>
>>You need a perfect victim before you'd be willing to
>recognize
>>he was mistreated?
>>
>
>Otto's father's position is a misdirection. Kerry and Obama
>didn't kill his son, NK did.




So help me out here, who is Otto's father trying to misdirect attention from? Why would he be trying to misdirect attention away from the death of his son?

Do you just like the word misdirection?



>
>No I don't need a perfect victim or a false equivalency. How
>many white kids has the NK killed in the past 3 years ?
>

Dawg there is more to the world then white people so every issue doesn't revolve around white people.

something like 40% of the people in North Korean prisons die, mostly of malnutrition.

Based on that fact and other accounts I hear about North Korean Prisons I wouldn't wish that on anyone.


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>>>http://www.today.com/video/otto-warmbier-s-father-lashes-out-at-obama-did-his-administration-do-enough-969076803768
>


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