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12979896, Presidential Primary Post | Pt. III | Super Tuesday Edition
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Feb-28-16 03:26 PM
It's going to be fascinating to see what happens on Tuesday.

Big news today out of the DNC:

Tulsi Gabbard - Vice Chair of the DNC - has resigned and pledged her support to the Sanders campaign:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UM8F4EuUbw&feature=youtu.be

"Aloha. I’m Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.

As a veteran of two Middle East deployments, I know firsthand the cost of war.
I know how important it is that our commander-in-chief has the sound judgment required to know when to use America's military power--and when not to use that power.
As vice chairman of the DNC I am required to stay neutral in Democratic primaries, but I cannot remain neutral any longer. The stakes are too high.

That’s why today …. I’m endorsing Senator Bernie Sanders to be the next president and commander-in-chief of the United States.

We need a Commander in Chief who has foresight and good judgment - who understands the need for a foreign policy which is robust in defending the safety and security of the American people - who will not waste precious lives and money on interventionist wars of regime change.

Such counterproductive wars undermine our national security and economic prosperity.
As elections continue across the country, the American people are faced with a clear choice: We can elect a president who will lead us into more interventionist wars of regime change -- or we can elect a president who will usher in a new era of peace and prosperity.

With this clear choice in mind, today I am resigning as Vice-Chair of the DNC so that I can strongly support Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee for President of the United States."

-->
12979900, it's really a bummer that HRC is going to be the nominee.
Posted by PROMO, Sun Feb-28-16 04:09 PM
i mean, i'll take her over anyone the repubs wanna put up, but I think Bernie is the change we thought Barack was going to be (not that I have TOO many beefs w/ BHO).

i've been saying for a few years that the U.S. needs a political revolution, and Bernie is more representative of that than anyone I've seen thus far. not sure of what Bernie could do if elected since we need a congressional revolution as well, but it would be a start.
12981048, this is where i'm at
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 07:53 PM


12981071, Prolly the most enenthusiastic vote i'll ever cast
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Tue Mar-01-16 08:43 PM
Im voting for Dem no matter what but ive never liked her. I cant believe we couldnt come up with anyone new after having eight years to prepare for this.
12981156, I mean, she ain't Gore/Lieberman bad, but....
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Mar-02-16 06:54 AM
yeah.

she ain't done shit to change her messaging. she's still presumptuous as shit. she still is horrible about being called out on her shit.

she ain't the worst (FUCK Lieberman)
but she is far from the best.

still gonna vote for her (or whoever Dem) because Supreme Court

but a Hillary vote means likely more TPP fast-tracking and big business asslicking at a time when the people really ain't tryna hear that

it also means no Trump (or Trump proxy)

12979901, Hillary got this.
Posted by lightworks, Sun Feb-28-16 04:12 PM
12979904, Damn. She's brave as fuck
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Sun Feb-28-16 04:15 PM
I bet her resignation was forced on her.
But after publicly backing "the enemy", I'd say her hopes of climbing up the ranks are done
12979906, I really like what I've seen from her
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Feb-28-16 04:19 PM
which has very little to do with this endorsement and probably too much to do with her beef with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who I absolutely can't stand.

12980216, Dolezal Hair has been showing her ass this election season
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Feb-29-16 01:34 PM
>which has very little to do with this endorsement and
>probably too much to do with her beef with Debbie Wasserman
>Schultz, who I absolutely can't stand.

as have much of the "heroes" of the DNC.

12980254, Dolezal Hair LOL
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Feb-29-16 02:27 PM
12979909, hustle backwards yall.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Feb-28-16 04:35 PM
12979913, Inside Trump numbers (Not very popular beyond his base...)
Posted by murph71, Sun Feb-28-16 04:59 PM


Dude has some work to do to win an actual general election....It's going to be a battle and Trump should def. be taken seriously, but that big picture....


Money number: Polling Trend

Trump national numbers as of right now....

Unfavorable 57.6%
Favorable 36.1%

link: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating#!mindate=2015-06-15&estimate=custom
12979918, Clinton leads in Georgia, TN, and TX.....(Swipe)
Posted by murph71, Sun Feb-28-16 05:19 PM


Clinton's power def. is fueled by the South...I think Bernie will do better in some parts of the midwest (Minnesota and maybe even Wisconsin...And we all know Vermont is his....Colorado is going to be a battle though....)....But right now it's all about upping those delegate numbers....

--

The Hill
February 28, 2016, 09:41 am
Clinton holds double-digit leads in Georgia, Tennessee and Texas
By Kyle Balluck

Hillary Clinton tops rival Bernie Sanders by a nearly 2-to-1 margin in Georgia, Tennessee and Texas in new polls ahead of voting on Super Tuesday.

Clinton has a 34-point lead among likely Democratic primary voters in Georgia, 64 percent to 30 percent, according to a trio of NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls released early Sunday.


Clinton’s lead is 26 points in Tennessee, 60 to 34 percent.

And the former secretary of State tops the Vermont senator in Texas by 21 points, 59 to 38 percent.

Pollsters surveyed likely Democratic primary voters in the three Southern states between Feb. 18 and 25. There is a 4.6 percent margin of error in Georgia, 4.9 percent margin of error in Tennessee and 5 percent margin of error in Texas.
12981054, to be honest, trump talking racist as shit is masking
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 08:01 PM
a pretty legit ground game for latino votes by the republican party.

i don't see how texas turns purple when moderate republicans in texas are getting clear majorities and even extreme conservatives are pulling 45%. those numbers from 2014 were pretty damning.

i'm shaking my head, but every brown person in my family older than 40 voted republican today.

which, again, is INSANE given that this is a party that is likely to have a racist-as-shit platform.

democrats need to get their shit together and provide a real vision here. not take that shit for granted. cause those family values and jesus pitches are working on thousands and thousands of people.
12980063, Tulsi Gabbard knew she didn't have a place in a Clinton administration
Posted by stattic, Mon Feb-29-16 08:10 AM

So better to take a stand and generate some press for future plans than sit around and be dismissed if Clinton wins. Smart move.
12980064, When the leading Prez candidate of the Republican....
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 08:12 AM
....party says "I don't know enough about the Klan and David Duke...I have to learn more about them. I can't disavow something I don't know about..." and then TWO DAYS LATER finds himself on morning show talk shows having to answer to such a weak ass response....

Yeah, it won't hurt Trump in the primaries. But in a general election that Klan commercial with Trump front and center is going to be glorious....Feigned ignorance don't work....

Side eye to anyone saying the Dems, just on a base level, is the same as the Republican base....

Oh yeah....Trump is saying that a judge overseeing his civil fraud trial is biased because HE'S HISPANIC....

I need y'all to understand that this man ain't winning in a general....
12980065, RE: When the leading Prez candidate of the Republican....
Posted by Lurkmode, Mon Feb-29-16 08:29 AM
The Dems are the same, they just try to hide it. What did Biden say about Obama during the 08 election run ? All the damage Bill Clinton did. Pelosi and the way she did Clyburn. The list goes on and on.
12980067, RE: When the leading Prez candidate of the Republican....
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 08:37 AM
>The Dems are the same, they just try to hide it. What did
>Biden say about Obama during the 08 election run ? All the
>damage Bill Clinton did. Pelosi and the way she did Clyburn.
>The list goes on and on.

B. Clinton? He was def.on some bullshit....

But let's be clear here...Questioning rather people should take a black, freshmen senator seriously during his run for President when America had never elected a black candidate in the history of this country is vastly different than giving shout outs to a terrorist organization that lynched black folk.....

I was more disturbed when I learned about H. Clinton's "super predator" comment back in the early '90s.......I wanted her to apologize....I wanted her to distance herself from that bullshit and make it known that it was repugnant....And she did....

Trump? Dude doesn't apologize for ANYTHING...That fool was given a layup...Very easy path....The Klan is a softball question...And dude was brazenly calculating and so scared of pissing off his base that he wouldn't even shit on them. THE FUCKING KLAN...

Nah....it's not the same. At all...I need y'all to chill with that....

I'm going to let John Oliver handle this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ
12980069, Yeah Trump blew that
Posted by Lurkmode, Mon Feb-29-16 09:02 AM

I don't understand why he didn't knock that softball out the park, since he already disavowed them earlier.


>
>B. Clinton? He was def.on some bullshit....
>
>But let's be clear here...Questioning rather people should
>take a black, freshmen senator seriously during his run for
>President when America had never elected a black candidate in
>the history of this country is vastly different than giving
>shout outs to a terrorist organization that lynched black
>folk.....

Come on you know Biden did more than question... with his "clean" and "articulate" comment.

>
>I was more disturbed when I learned about H. Clinton's "super
>predator" comment back in the early '90s.......I wanted her to
>apologize....I wanted her distance herself from that bullshit
>and make it known that it was repugnant....And she did....


Too little to late plus that Bobby Kennedy assassination comment was more of the same.


>Trump? Dude doesn't apologize for ANYTHING...That fool was
>given a layup...Very easy path....The Klan is a softball
>question...And dude was brazenly calculating and so scared of
>pissing off his base that he wouldn't even shit on them. THE
>FUCKING KLAN...
>

Yeah he stayed with it for awhile then he put up a tweet. Its almost like he is trying to self destruct but nothing happens.

>Nah....it's not the same. At all...I need y'all to chill with
>that....
>


12980072, RE: Yeah Trump blew that
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 09:16 AM
>
>I don't understand why he didn't knock that softball out the
>park, since he already disavowed them earlier.



Oh...I understand it...He was about to give a speech in Alabama....He thought he would be shitting on the same folks he was set to speak in front of. We talking about someone who sub-tweets racist comments from white nationalists....

>>B. Clinton? He was def.on some bullshit....
>>
>>But let's be clear here...Questioning rather people should
>>take a black, freshmen senator seriously during his run for
>>President when America had never elected a black candidate
>in
>>the history of this country is vastly different than giving
>>shout outs to a terrorist organization that lynched black
>>folk.....
>
>Come on you know Biden did more than question... with his
>"clean" and "articulate" comment.

Man...that's soft shoe shit....I'm talking about bodies swinging on a tree....It ain't the same...

>>I was more disturbed when I learned about H. Clinton's
>"super
>>predator" comment back in the early '90s.......I wanted her
>to
>>apologize....I wanted her distance herself from that
>bullshit
>>and make it known that it was repugnant....And she did....
>

>Too little to late plus that Bobby Kennedy assassination
>comment was more of the same.

U voting for Trump? Or u staying home or voting for a green party candidate?

>>Trump? Dude doesn't apologize for ANYTHING...That fool was
>>given a layup...Very easy path....The Klan is a softball
>>question...And dude was brazenly calculating and so scared
>of
>>pissing off his base that he wouldn't even shit on them. THE
>>FUCKING KLAN...
>>
>
>Yeah he stayed with it for awhile then he put up a tweet. Its
>almost like he is trying to self destruct but nothing
>happens.

Nah....Trump ain't trying to self destruct...He knows what he's doing...Dude just thinks that's how the Republican party rolls....He thinks he can't get through the primary without insulting Latinos, blacks,Muslims, AND not rebuking the Klan... And that's scary as fuck....
12980080, Ok
Posted by Lurkmode, Mon Feb-29-16 09:44 AM

>
>Oh...I understand it...He was about to give a speech in
>Alabama....He thought he would be shitting on the same folks
>he was set to speak in front of. We talking about someone who
>sub-tweets racist comments from white nationalists....
>

That makes sense


>>
>>Come on you know Biden did more than question... with his
>>"clean" and "articulate" comment.
>
>Man...that's soft shoe shit....I'm talking about bodies
>swinging on a tree....It ain't the same...
>

Where do you think the bread crumbs go ?


>>Too little to late plus that Bobby Kennedy assassination
>>comment was more of the same.
>
>U voting for Trump? Or u staying home or voting for a green
>party candidate?

No I'm not voting for any Republicans. Undecided on the others.



>
>Nah....Trump ain't trying to self destruct...He knows what
>he's doing...Dude just thinks that's how the Republican party
>rolls....He thinks he can't get through the primary without
>insulting Latinos, blacks,Muslims, AND not rebuking the
>Klan... And that's scary as fuck....

Yeah but taking a shot at POW is not how the party rolls even if they don't like McCain.

The John Oliver link was good.
12980081, RE: Ok
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 09:49 AM


Respect.....
12980105, JON OLIVER WITH DAT BURN SLOW ETHA
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Feb-29-16 10:50 AM
thst shit is fucking classoc
12980135, RE: JON OLIVER WITH DAT BURN SLOW ETHA
Posted by Red07, Mon Feb-29-16 11:37 AM
to bad no one cares about a brit speaking on american politics..no one watches that show
12980137, son that shit goin viral...nobody has to watch that show
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Feb-29-16 11:47 AM
12980202, RE: JON OLIVER WITH DAT BURN SLOW ETHA
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 01:16 PM
>to bad no one cares about a brit speaking on american
>politics..no one watches that show


Shit is all over social media, dog...They were talking about it on CNN and MSNBC....
12980625, RE: JON OLIVER WITH DAT BURN SLOW ETHA
Posted by Red07, Tue Mar-01-16 12:23 PM
murph you said cnn and msnbc no one watches those networks that are going be swayed one way or another
12980706, RE: JON OLIVER WITH DAT BURN SLOW ETHA
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 01:02 PM
>murph you said cnn and msnbc no one watches those networks
>that are going be swayed one way or another

Yeah...I also said social media...Trending on Twitter, Facebook the Gram and a shit load of online media platforms...

The thing u have to remember is when MAINSTREAM MEDIA (FOX, CNN, MSNBC) picks up on something that is trending on social media, consider it big (they usually late and clueless when it comes to such things...).......

When u got everyone from the Guardian to TMZ covering it, people are paying attention....

link: http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/01/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-donald-trump-hbo-drumpf
12981082, its everyhwere on social media...which is bigger than tv
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Tue Mar-01-16 09:12 PM
12980093, So this is leaning towards Clinton v Trump, right?
Posted by phenompyrus, Mon Feb-29-16 10:15 AM
I mean... That just is not exciting at all.
12980099, read this post and first thought "wow, everyone here watches john oliver i guess..
Posted by Robert, Mon Feb-29-16 10:29 AM
seeing everyone's dedication to using "Drumpf" instead..to which i laughed--and then realized i had already forgot i installed this:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/drumpfinator/hcimhbfpiofdihhdnofbdlhjcmjopilp

(cnn.com is also kinda hilarious with this)

12980109, RE: read this post and first thought "wow, everyone here watches john oliver i guess..
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 10:55 AM
>seeing everyone's dedication to using "Drumpf" instead..to
>which i laughed--and then realized i had already forgot i
>installed this:
>
>https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/drumpfinator/hcimhbfpiofdihhdnofbdlhjcmjopilp
>
>(cnn.com is also kinda hilarious with this)



lol.....
12980134, any of you negroes still think trump will be president?
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Feb-29-16 11:36 AM
he aint winning shit..
12980198, lol, I'm torn on whether he or Rubio will win the nomination
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Feb-29-16 01:13 PM
I still hold out hope that my prediction was true and Trump was never in it to win it.
12980201, I'm not going to underestimate the stupidity of the nation
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Mon Feb-29-16 01:15 PM
A populist candidate like Trump always stands a chance
12980218, true true..this Rolling Stone article make a good case for Drumpf
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Feb-29-16 01:37 PM
but i just dont see how anyone would go from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump..but this article makes a decent case for it..too long to swipe

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224?page=13


12980335, Fuck this is a good read
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Feb-29-16 05:15 PM
Taibbi always brings it

>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224?page=13
12980197, Repub candidates going to dick jokes now lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Mon Feb-29-16 01:13 PM
Trump got them changing strategies.

Rubio was talking about Trump having small hands.
"And you know what they say about a man with small hands" *Rubio smirk*
12980200, GOP got problems...
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Feb-29-16 01:15 PM
they should never win the WH again but I don't trust these angry white folks
12980209, RE: Repub candidates going to dick jokes now lol
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 01:24 PM
Not only dick jokes....But feigned rebuke of the KKK....Right now they are having discussions about denouncing David Duke. Let that sink in....

I will never underestimate the anger of white working class folks mixed with racist white folks looking to TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK...It's going to be a battle...But I believe that Obama coalition is going to come through...Just a minute ago, a Latino woman was protesting at a Trump rally. As they were escorting her out, Trump said, "Are you from Mexico?"

U got to get more than just 35 to 40 percent to win in the general. That's Trump....

12980224, dude has really turned the GOP into some WWF shit
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Feb-29-16 01:39 PM
that rolling stone article talks about him using his WWF experience on these clowns AND IT WORKING...lol...shits incredible
12980255, RE: dude has really turned the GOP into some WWF shit
Posted by murph71, Mon Feb-29-16 02:29 PM


It's reason enough to be fearful....America, for the most part, can be very nuanced and intelligent....But a very large chunk of the American public is not that smart....

That's why I was fearful of Bernie getting the nomination....Not because Bernie would be some crazy loon that would have everybody waiting in line for food...I agree with much of his platform....It's the fact that a lot of the folks that Bernie would need to vote for him to win in November are not the types to separate Socialism from Communism....To a lot of those voters THEY think its the same.....Believe me. I've talked to a few of them....
12980350, Democrats have a hard road ahead IMO
Posted by Ted Gee Seal, Mon Feb-29-16 05:48 PM
If Bernie gets in being more than a one term president will be tough. Republicans will make life very tough and after seeing what happened to Obama's hope I wonder whether Bernie supporters will be any better when they realise they face 8 years of grind if they want even incremental gains. Rhetoric for the possible is one thing, keeping enthusiasm and energy through a presidential term is another. A lot of people seem to expend themselves once an election ends.

Hillary likewise faces one term issues over her lack of charisma. The Obamas pretty much had to be the GOAT of first families and they've still had to fight so hard to keep in the good graces of enough people. Hillary has trouble energising her own supporters.

Long hard slog, as it normally is for nuanced moderates.
12981127, good point.
Posted by DunDaDa, Wed Mar-02-16 12:29 AM
>That's why I was fearful of Bernie getting the
>nomination....Not because Bernie would be some crazy loon that
>would have everybody waiting in line for food...I agree with
>much of his platform....It's the fact that a lot of the folks
>that Bernie would need to vote for him to win in November are
>not the types to separate Socialism from Communism....To a lot
>of those voters THEY think its the same.....Believe me. I've
>talked to a few of them....
12980235, Rubio's such a little boy
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Feb-29-16 01:56 PM
it's like his mommy told him to go outside and fight back. It's how he looks when he tells those jokes, and his crowd laughs, and he smiles and looks around at them so happy at their approval
12980552, lmao... he definitely looks like its his first time capping on a nigga
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-01-16 11:17 AM
but I also think he has spent his whole career talking policy and he is amazed how a few jokes work better than all that other stuff.
12980243, love me some Tulsi Gabbard
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Mon Feb-29-16 02:13 PM
12981628, LOL@love me some Tulsi Gabbard
Posted by bentagain, Wed Mar-02-16 07:01 PM
I think this inteview broke on Meet The Press = NBC

I haven't even heard it mentioned since

a vice-chair of the Democratic National Committee

Iraq veteran

resigns her chair to endorse Bern

= crickets

confirms my suspicion about some of the motivation for MHP's firing

I turned on some of the post Super Tuesday coverage

they aren't even covering HRC that much any more

in a hour, it's maybe 55min Trump, 5 min HRC/Bern

and they usually frame that 5 minutes in an extremely biased way

should be obvious by now
12980327, Gotta wonder how disasterous it is for the GOP if Trump loses the gen
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Feb-29-16 04:54 PM
If numbers out there are where they are now, with him as the face of the party, they'll lose the senate for sure, and could even lose their grip on the house. the more he get's trounced, so goes congress.

I'm still not comfortable at all writing him off. This dude's pretty much leading the revolution Bernie wanted, except it's of america's dumbest people, which we have no shortage of.

I'm starting to wonder if there really will be a brokered convention. They'll lose the presidency, but will at least have a better shot at maintaining congress.

Or he wins and we're all entertained. And fucked.
12980581, What do you mean by 'dumb'?
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 11:49 AM
Trump has won so far with college-educated voters.

What concerns me....is that Trump's rise has been credited to the 'uneducated'...the white trash vote. This is an under-estimation and anyone who thinks this is in for a rude awakening. His rise is due to the anti-intellectual vote....which is different than the 'dumb vote'.

Culturally, Americans need to look in the mirror. Anti-intellectualism is rampant. Even amongst 'smart' people. I see evidence of it all the time. Even on OKP. The only way to defeat it is to properly identify it and I'm not seeing much of that right now. Americans are so familiar with anti-intellectualism I'm not convinced they are ABLE to see it where it is. Like on South Park for example.

Trump is purposefully baiting intellectual criticism. Does anyone here truly think he didn't know that was a Moussillini quote? Of course he did. Just like he knew he was re-tweeting a white supremist earlier in the month. He KNOWS that it will set off the political pundits...the 'intellectuals'. Any outrage he can manufacture amongst who is perceived to be intellectual only galvanizes his anti-intellectual target market.

I can see this whole thing play out from a mile away. Trump is a puppet-master.
12980684, agree 100%
Posted by benny, Tue Mar-01-16 12:45 PM
>Trump has won so far with college-educated voters.
>
>What concerns me....is that Trump's rise has been credited to
>the 'uneducated'...the white trash vote. This is an
>under-estimation and anyone who thinks this is in for a rude
>awakening. His rise is due to the anti-intellectual
>vote....which is different than the 'dumb vote'.
>
>Culturally, Americans need to look in the mirror.
>Anti-intellectualism is rampant. Even amongst 'smart' people.
> I see evidence of it all the time. Even on OKP. The only
>way to defeat it is to properly identify it and I'm not seeing
>much of that right now. Americans are so familiar with
>anti-intellectualism I'm not convinced they are ABLE to see it
>where it is. Like on South Park for example.
>
>Trump is purposefully baiting intellectual criticism. Does
>anyone here truly think he didn't know that was a Moussillini
>quote? Of course he did. Just like he knew he was re-tweeting
>a white supremist earlier in the month. He KNOWS that it will
>set off the political pundits...the 'intellectuals'. Any
>outrage he can manufacture amongst who is perceived to be
>intellectual only galvanizes his anti-intellectual target
>market.
>
>I can see this whole thing play out from a mile away. Trump
>is a puppet-master.
12980742, RE: agree 100%
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 01:31 PM
If you're passionate about an issue you're a 'douchebag' and 'politically correct'.

If you take up a social cause you're a 'social justice warrior'.

If you identify racism for what it is....you are 'overanalyzing everything'.

This, imo, is the larger problem and that's what trump is tapping into. There are plenty of reasonably intelligent, educated people who have swung to far in that direction.
12980845, yup, and sadly that climate is probably beneficial to many actual elites
Posted by benny, Tue Mar-01-16 02:53 PM
better keep it safe and talk about sports, tv shows or food. I mean I enjoy those things too but I've met way too many smart and educated people who seemingly don't want to talk about anything "serious".
IMO not only does it do no service to public discourse, but it means that the extreme right and its sophistic ideas take hold very easily. Clearly facts hold no dominion over Trump supporters and just because there's only 35-40% of them this time doesn't mean we're all living in a brave new world already.


12980854, Unfortunately,
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 02:59 PM
Hillary, through no fault of her own, is a textbook example of what this backlash targets. Obama's grace and likeability might have countered it. Bernie's down-to-earth genuine, everyman-type personality might have countered it.

But no....we just happen to have Hillary being the one that has to face it down. Really unfortunate timing. The only way to beat this thing is for his opponent to be able to relate to people. That's precisely her greatest weakness.

And none of these Hillary head-to-head polls are worth anything. I might be persuaded if the polls remain that way after they debate each other and their campaigns shift towards each other. Until then....I'm calling a Trump landslide.
12980885, I don't see it but I've been wrong about most everything so far
Posted by benny, Tue Mar-01-16 03:24 PM
>
>each other. Until then....I'm calling a Trump landslide.
12980959, I'm not saying dumb = uneducated
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 04:42 PM
I'm uneducated

I think you're taking too much issue with the word dumb. And i get your angle completely, that people shouldn't blow it off as "Oh it's just a bunch of stupid hicks who like this guy". liberals do it all the time. Same way people underestimated the appeal of Palin, or why poor whites would seemingly vote against their own interests. I don't think Palin is all that bright but she does understand how so-called big city liberals look down on the type of people who like her, and she knew how to harness that, and they love her because they feel she's fighting for them. Trump, who as simple as his message comes off isn't unintelligent by any means, has just kind of expanded that strategy to multiple areas

And while anti-intellectualism is a huge factor, He's also preaching a really populist message. He says alot of shit that actually is true regrading money in politics, insurance companies, big pharma, Irag, etc... and people love how he's not scared to go after republicans. he's railing against PC which so many people hate, and he's also playing on fear of terrorism and that he projects this strong-man image. Americans LOVE that shit.

And i would say so-called smart people falling for Trump, given he's offered zero substance, and has been caught in lies repeatedly, are dumber than these uneducated whites falling for him, at least I understand their angle. There are different variations of dumb.

All that said, he has a far way to climb back from. You can't mathematically win the presidency without a sizable chunk of the hispanic vote. not to mention a good chunk of women, and minorities in general. I know he'll scale his rhetoric back in the general, i know he's an entertainer, who comes off far more "likable" than Hillary, but i don't think it will be enough to overcome damage done. Hopefully
12981072, Yeah that dumb/uneducated argument doesnt fly anymore
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Tue Mar-01-16 08:46 PM
There are actually educated whites voting for him. They arent dumb. Its time we start accepting whats really going on here. The "uneducated voter" excuses doesnt work at all after the amount of percentage points he is winning by. These are white educated people that agree with him.
12981086, You're halfway there.
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 09:20 PM
It's not gonna be 'white' neither. That too will prove to be an underestimating characterization.
12981131, educated people can be dumb too
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Mar-02-16 12:48 AM
12980441, Anyone ever attended a caucus or plan too?
Posted by sectachrome86, Mon Feb-29-16 10:42 PM
Kinda thinking about going in CO tomorrow, but if it's really much more than casting a vote, I'm not sure I'm into it.
12980960, Didn't see your post before I made mine
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 04:43 PM
Not sure how CO is set up, but if it's anything like MN, you can just cast a vote for your presidential candidate and leave afterwards.
12980962, Hmm okay
Posted by sectachrome86, Tue Mar-01-16 04:46 PM
I might do it then if that's it. Thanks.
12980525, Drumpf ejects niggas from his rally before it even starts (swipe)
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Mar-01-16 10:24 AM


http://gawker.com/donald-trump-requested-that-a-group-of-black-students-b-1762064789

Report: Donald Trump Requested That a Group of Black Students Be Removed From His Rally Before It Had Even Started

In Georgia on Monday, about 30 black Valdosta State University students were removed from a Donald Trump campaign event, hosted at the school’s PE complex. The students were removed at the candidate’s request, the Des Moines Register reports, before the event even began.

“We didn’t plan to do anything,” one of the students, Tahjila Davis, 19, said. “They said, ‘This is Trump’s property; it’s a private event.’ But I paid my tuition to be here.” Secret Service agents escorted the students out of the event; Valdosta police ushered them farther away from the rally.

“I don’t understand why they would do something like that,” she said. “I have not experienced any racism on this campus until now.” Valdosta State was a whites-only campus until 1963.

Inside, the Tallahassee Democrat reports, Trump urged his fans to get to the polls on Tuesday. “Tomorrow’s going to be a big day,” he said. “We’re going to have a lot of success. I love Georgia. And I want you to lead the pack if you can.”

“We are going to win at every single level,” he continued. “We are going to win at health care. We are going to win with education. We are going to win at the borders. We are going to win with our military. We are going to win, win, win, win.”

Trump enjoys the support of a broad swathe of racists, from former KKK Grand Dragon David Duke to current Maine Governor Paul LePage.
12980535, RE: Drumpf ejects niggas from his rally before it even starts (swipe)
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 10:44 AM


Yeah...he's the same as the Dems....Same as Clinton....No different....Yep....
12980551, They shouldnt have been resisting
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Mar-01-16 11:12 AM
(c)Trump supporter
12980561, RE: They shouldnt have been resisting
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 11:27 AM
>(c)Trump supporter


lol...The irony is they were there because the event was taking place at THEIR SCHOOL'S VENUE....
12980712, Damn...
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 01:07 PM
Watching that shit last night literally gave me goosebumps. I wish I could have been there with them.
12980869, They were thugs and on drugs.
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Mar-01-16 03:10 PM

>
>lol...The irony is they were there because the event was
>taking place at THEIR SCHOOL'S VENUE....

(c)another Trump supporter
12980548, New poll: Hilldog and Bernie both beat Trump easily H2H
Posted by Deebot, Tue Mar-01-16 11:03 AM
Hill by 8 points, Bernie by 12.

Rubio and Cruz should be cysing this point even more than they already are.
12980562, RE: New poll: Hilldog and Bernie both beat Trump easily H2H
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 11:28 AM
>Hill by 8 points, Bernie by 12.
>
>Rubio and Cruz should be cysing this point even more than they
>already are.


They already cysing away....lol
12981018, Yea- the "Bernie is not electable" crowd has silenced, rapidly.
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Mar-01-16 07:08 PM
That pesky data!

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12981026, No, the still-irrelevant data has been misreported once-again.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 07:22 PM
This is still not a measurement with any correlation, whatsoever, with how a general election will turn out. It means nothing for Hillary, or for Bernie.

You give the media a whole lot of credit when you can pretend they're on your side.
12981039, you can continue to be wrong about this
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Mar-01-16 07:43 PM
all on your own lonely island of poor political science comprehension.

Enjoy.

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12981044, We've been over this so many times!
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 07:50 PM

You must just be pretending not to understand.

You can't poll people about how they'll vote at the end of a race that hasn't even started yet. This isn't a difficult idea to comprehend.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-year-out-ignore-general-election-polls/
12981114, This is absolutely true.
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 10:58 PM
Too many moving pieces.
12981540, RE: This is absolutely true.
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 04:53 PM
>Too many moving pieces.


Basically^^^^^^^
12980850, Bernie Bros/Girls turning on Elizabeth Warren....? (Swipe)
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 02:58 PM


lol....

Some of these mufuckas r crazy....(they been going hard at her on Twitter)

Vocativ.com

Sanders Supporters Trolling Elizabeth Warren To Get Her Endorsement
So far the progressive senator remains silent and Sanders volunteers are becoming more agressive

By Adi Cohen and Jacob Steinblatt

After Senator Sanders’ disappointing finish in South Carolina and with Super Tuesday looming, Bernie fans are looking for a savior in Elizabeth Warren. And so, of course, they’re kinda trolling her.

After Clinton’s landslide South Carolina win was announced Saturday night, Team Bernie started bombarding Senator Warren with tweets and posts calling on her to endorse Clinton’s challenger. The Massachusetts Democrat and progressive hero has not endorsed any of the candidates, and now, hours before the polls open in her home state, the Bernie bros are hoping she could give him a last minute bump.

Thousands of tweets calling for the endorsement have been posted during the last 24 hours, a Vocativ social media analysis found. The most popular tweet came from the Sanders campaign itself, which linked to an op-ed Warren published Tuesday about the need for family leave. “This is exactly what our campaign is talking about,” Sanders’ tweet said.

But, not everyone was content to just retweet Bernie. And from there, the calls got less polite. First they asked:


Then they begged; Then they demanded...

Adding to the push for a Warren endorsement of Sanders was a fake New York Times article that made the rounds on social media Monday. It claimed that Warren did in fact endorse the Democratic candidate, but the Times’ deputy executive editor confirmed the story was fabricated.

As Sen. Warren stuck to her silence, Sanders supporters started to be more aggressive, speculating why she is refraining from endorsing:

Some of them expressed their frustration in a more aggressive way on the Sanders supporters Reddit and Slack platforms.

(link: http://www.vocativ.com/news/291424/sanders-supporters-trolling-elizabeth-warren-to-get-her-endorsement/)
12980926, A lot of these Bernie supporters really are delusional.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 04:03 PM

This is the power of echo chambers, I guess.
12980961, Women are useless, unless they're on our side © BernieBro Anthem
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 04:44 PM
12980990, They'll turn on Bernie soon enough
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 05:11 PM
12981055, *prints up sweatshirts that say "Tern on Bern!"*
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 08:04 PM

With Puma logos.
12980865, its gonna be an interesting night
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Mar-01-16 03:08 PM
12980866, Trump is tearing family, friends, and the Republican party apart lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 03:09 PM
My Facebook is going HAM right now. I have a lot of republican friends on there and they are usually apolitical on Facebook. Even the lead up to today has been quiet

But the shit looks like Sparta today. Evangelicals calling religious Trump supporters false Christians. Straight up calling their "friends" idiots.
60 comment, friendship-ending back and forths lol. This is fantastic.

12980875, https://instagram.com/p/7tSvGRgYHhfIk4L09rQfcPyg5B5IszFf2LPto0/
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Tue Mar-01-16 03:13 PM
https://instagram.com/p/7tSvGRgYHhfIk4L09rQfcPyg5B5IszFf2LPto0/
12980911, and those are your friends??? says alot
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Mar-01-16 03:45 PM
>My Facebook is going HAM right now. I have a lot of
>republican friends on there and they are usually apolitical on
>Facebook. Even the lead up to today has been quiet
>
>But the shit looks like Sparta today. Evangelicals calling
>religious Trump supporters false Christians. Straight up
>calling their "friends" idiots.
>60 comment, friendship-ending back and forths lol. This is
>fantastic.
>
>
12980964, gotta hear both sides?
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-01-16 04:47 PM
12981140, lol
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-02-16 02:32 AM
nice
12980913, Shit.
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 03:46 PM
that DOES sound like fun.
12980973, the funny part is most of them will fall in line
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 04:55 PM
people calling into these am radio shows are vowing to not vote if Cruz doesn't win, or never support Trump are mostly full of shit imo. They'll suck it up and vote against Hillary.

I believe the Bernie crowd more when they say they'll stay home. But i think as someone pointed out in another post the other day, it's likely a good portion of the Bernie crowd was never gonna vote for Hillary to begin with. Or vote at all.



12980988, I've actually started following some conservatives on Twitter
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 05:10 PM
Just to watch this shit go down. Like, I remember the anger and bitterness in the heat of the 2008 Obama/Clinton primary, but it was nothing compared to this.
12980884, Sanders got the whole trap behind him. T.I. backs Bernie
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 03:24 PM
Can he vote though lol?

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/271323-rapper-ti-backing-sanders
12980955, Something tells me Bernie's not going to want TIP publicly speaking
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 04:34 PM
for him.

And by something, I mean his "women can't be presidents" comment.
12980975, RE: Something tells me Bernie's not going to want TIP publicly speaking
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 04:58 PM
>for him.
>
>And by something, I mean his "women can't be presidents"
>comment.


Sees it^^^^^
12980979, People thought Mike's uterus comment went over bad
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 05:03 PM
And that's a dude who mainstream popular culture LIKES in 2016, they haven't cared about TI since like the third time he went to jail.
12981624, http://s22.postimg.org/axi4hmxtt/image.jpg
Posted by Binladen, Wed Mar-02-16 06:54 PM
http://s22.postimg.org/axi4hmxtt/image.jpg
12980957, Anyone else in a caucus state?
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 04:38 PM
It's not like Iowa where everyone stands in the corner of a high school gym and then yells at other people until they get tired. You just sit in a classroom, listen to a spiel and write your candidate's name down. There's other stuff, too, but I ducked out immediately after I voted in 2008, but I think there's other stuff they decide too.

My wife's never participated in a caucus before and is super excited about this, so I might be sticking around for the whole thing. Probably going to depend on how big the crowd is.
12981017, Hillary projected to win VA.
Posted by KiloMcG, Tue Mar-01-16 07:06 PM
Dang. I will say I was impressed, the old white lady in line in front of me was #feelinthebern. That made me smile.
12981021, Morning Joe flip flops on Trump.. again, after David Duke comments
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 07:09 PM
While Joe's right, he's always so all over the place with Trump

First he was calling him Hitler
Then Trump became the show's best friend to a point Trump was literally instructing them what questions to ask him

Now he's acting all shocked here. This phony fuck. He'll probably be chopping it up with Donald again tomorrow morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIKs-Fw7hog
12981024, Fascinating how Clinton is winning the deep, conservative south
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Mar-01-16 07:14 PM
almost exclusively because of the Black vote.

There's been some fascinating editorials done examining the black vote (particularly in the South) and how it aligns fairly neatly with right-of-center, social conservatism and status-quo policy.

There are so many shifts occurring simultaneously within both parties during this cycle. Heard a very astute analysis that was arguing that while many deem Trump & Sanders to be a threatening disease that seeks to unseat the Establishment within both parties, they actually are beta-test solutions for what's actually taking place on the ground in both parties - albeit older versions which need refinement and modernization.

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12981025, i don't know what this means but
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 07:17 PM
i'm pretty certain hillary might hit 75% of dems in my area, but i've seen dozens of bernie stickers/signs and just 1 for hillary. and i been looking, cause i want to know who these people are.

(then again, i also expect republicans to heavily outnumber dems, and i'm gonna guess cruz gets above 40% in the area).
12981032, Sanders supporters are more vocal and passionate...
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 07:32 PM
But Clinton has that machine behind her

She has been running for this presidency for years and has spent a lot of political capital.
That's hard for a relatively unknown newcomer to overcome
12981035, Clinton stickers aren't "cool"
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 07:36 PM
in LA it's almost all Bernie stickers. Don't know how much it really translates though

The only repub sticker i saw was a Doc Ben once
12981045, it makes me a lot more nervous for 2018
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 07:50 PM
like if obama couldn't get those midterm results, how ugly is this shit gonna be with hill?

i definitely am seeing less hillary stickers than even 2008

hopefully it pick up once we're down to 2 candidates
12981078, Midterms are going to be hard for Dems regardless of who the president is
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 09:06 PM
12981087, and the dem leadership behind hillary gave up on that fight in 2008-10
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 09:24 PM
where's hillary been other than a negative in those midterms? how are she and the dnc planning to make 2018 different?

i understand not taking bernie and his people seriously when they talk about political revolution, but i know tulsi and grayson are going to fight. tulsi has eyes on leadership if the party shifts left. grayson knows what the deal is in florida. these are people who have stakes in the future of the party, not just in whether hillary wins this year.

12981095, How is Bernie Sanders being in office going to lead to
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 09:39 PM
the President's party gaining congressional seats in the middle of a new president's first term? That thing that's happened right after 9/11 and never before or since?

I'd love to see a Sanders wing develop in the Democratic party and recruit people to run in state level races. And how is a President Sanders who hasn't followed through on half of his campaign promises going to lead to an increased turnout among a voting block that he's not even drawing in primaries?

If you think Bernie Sanders is a better presidential candidate than Hillary Clinton, say so. But potential midterm turnout is an odd category to base it on, particularly since it will statistically favor Republicans.
12981097, 1) i've obviously said who i prefer
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 09:53 PM
2) we don't know that bernie specifically helps, but that's not a reason to settle for the status quo. we do know is the current democratic coalition is good for maybe a president and maybe maybe some supreme court justices and that's about it. i'm all for any kind of change.

we do know that tea party has come out of nowhere to dominate the legislative agenda...are we so afraid that are ideas are BAD that we don't think we can do the same? the only things that have energized the democratic base and over the past few years are leftist issues that the dnc has been afraid to touch until they had already won. and those are issues that minds nationally have been changed on, not just the base. we're gonna win on lgbt. we're gonna win on drug decriminalization. we'd win on prison and police reform if we did't let republicans dominate those conversations. we win on wages and income inequality whenever we choose to have the fight.

it's very likely that the best route forward for the democrats is somewhere in between, but that needs to be articulated. my problem isn't that hillary wouldn't be a fine president. my problem is that she and the dnc are avoiding the conversation because they take shit one election at a time. they're afraid to lose, so the country is slipping away.

they're so out of touch they want to bring up guns at debates even though that's a losing issue for the party nationally. and they're supposed to be the ones that *get* how elections work? they're supposed to be the rational ones? they should have gotten that shit done in '08 if they cared, not use it as a wedge issue in the primaries.
12981027, Rubio is taking L's....
Posted by murph71, Tue Mar-01-16 07:22 PM



L's, L's, L's.......
12981028, Trump has scheduled a press conference, instead of a speech.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 07:26 PM

From Mar-a-Lago. 9pm ET.

Very weird, but probably nothing. Still, makes you wonder: is this where he admits the whole thing was a prank?
12981036, maybe he's gonna denounce the klan.
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 07:40 PM
now that he feels it's safe

12981040, He's spent the whole day reading up on them,
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 07:45 PM

and he's SHOCKED what he learned!

http://boingboing.net/2016/03/01/what-donald-trump-finds-out-wh.html
12981041, Lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 07:48 PM
12981050, CNN just said he was gonna speak on reparations.
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Tue Mar-01-16 07:56 PM
12981063, I'm assuming that's a joke, but in this race, they're hard to spot.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 08:20 PM
12981070, He'd do it just to make hillary say shes against them
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 08:40 PM
Or for them lol
12981081, Yep.
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 09:10 PM
Sounds about right.

A little earlier than I thought....but it could be the beginning.
12981031, Bernie in VT right now looking like he just won the general
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 07:31 PM
crowd going WILD lol
12981053, Trump is killing it
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Tue Mar-01-16 08:01 PM
.
12981056, Only place even slightly in play is Texas
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 08:05 PM
That will be an epic embarrassment to Cruz if he loses there.

It's over. If the Republicans don't want Trump, they'll have to pull shenanigans at the convention
12981060, republican establishment in texas has been going hard for cruz
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 08:11 PM
and even with the base being a senator here, he's done a lot more interviews in texas than the others.

i've heard cruz twice and his dad once this week. best trump would bother with was eric.

honestly, he should be embarrassed if he doesn't beat trump by 10%

shit will be interesting.
12981058, trump might beat rubio + cruz combined in parts of the south
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 08:09 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQugpTMWIAAOBHz.jpg
12981061, bernie bros. we might just gotta admit that he aint walking the walk.
Posted by Reeq, Tue Mar-01-16 08:15 PM
all of the talk about bringing in new voters to the party.
voter turnout is significantly down.

all of the talk about the "enthusiasm gap" between him and clinton.
these enthusiastic niggas aint turning out to vote for bernie.

it is hard to argue how electable you are as a democrat
when you cant make ANY headway with a core democratic constituency
like black voters.
especially in states where we gotta go to war with repubs in the general.

i love my nigga bernie
like a substitute teacher day.
but he might just not be motivating the base
outside of a concentrated niche.

my state primary dont take place til april 26.
shit may be a wash by then.

12981065, there are two problems
Posted by rob, Tue Mar-01-16 08:22 PM
1) the issues aren't things that can be fixed in this cycle. they take years of involvement, and Facebook activists aren't built for that shit. not to disparage millenials specifically, because most americans aren't built for it, but this is going to take hard work and patience.

if you're backing bernie because you thought there was a chance we were gonna wake up scandinavian in 11 months, you're probably going to give up on politics or vote republican by the time you're middle-aged.

2) dnc and hillary definitely did their part to suppress interest in the primary. you've seen a lot of it on okp, and okp isn't exactly establishment. we should appreciate just how amazing of a candidate barack obama was in 2008 to overcome those expectations.
12981080, I sincerely hope people don't forget this point
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 09:08 PM
>1) the issues aren't things that can be fixed in this cycle.
>they take years of involvement, and Facebook activists aren't
>built for that shit. not to disparage millenials specifically,
>because most americans aren't built for it, but this is going
>to take hard work and patience.


>if you're backing bernie because you thought there was a
>chance we were gonna wake up scandinavian in 11 months, you're
>probably going to give up on politics or vote republican by
>the time you're middle-aged.

This is sadly true.
12981108, Agreed on all of this
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 10:43 PM
>1) the issues aren't things that can be fixed in this cycle.
>they take years of involvement, and Facebook activists aren't
>built for that shit. not to disparage millenials specifically,
>because most americans aren't built for it, but this is going
>to take hard work and patience.
>
>if you're backing bernie because you thought there was a
>chance we were gonna wake up scandinavian in 11 months, you're
>probably going to give up on politics or vote republican by
>the time you're middle-aged.
>
>2) dnc and hillary definitely did their part to suppress
>interest in the primary. you've seen a lot of it on okp, and
>okp isn't exactly establishment. we should appreciate just how
>amazing of a candidate barack obama was in 2008 to overcome
>those expectations.
12981066, feel you bruh - but think about like this:
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Mar-01-16 08:25 PM
Bernie is going all the way to convention - and even if he doesn't win, his presence in this election is akin to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8RCQDDsMpU

He is seeding an evolution in progressive politics that will bear fruit in 2018, 2020, and beyond.

That said, it's both fascinating and discouraging how he has not been able to get any traction in the South.

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12981067, Bernie ahead in Mass. and Oklahoma (too close to call still)
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Mar-01-16 08:26 PM
Clinton dominating the Deep South as predicted. VA was a big win for her as well.

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12981074, Wow! Trump won Massachusetts Catholics by 33 points.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 08:48 PM

According to exit polls.

Take that, Your Holiness!
12981084, He won 100% of guys in jorts and sleeveless Tom Brady jerseys
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 09:14 PM
12981085, LOL.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 09:18 PM
12981076, My caucus was the SHIT
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Mar-01-16 09:03 PM
Left RIGHT before traffic got bad, found a good parking spot, then this year they got a new set up where you can cast your presidential preference early and leave. That was still unorganized chaos that redefine rinky dink, but I was home before it even got dark.
12981083, Cruz wins TX AND OK. GOP leaders throw up their hands.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 09:12 PM

TX not a surprise, of course, but Oklahoma wasn't very clear. Very bad news for Marco Rubio.
12981090, Lol the guy who's more unelectable than Trump
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-01-16 09:35 PM
12981092, Yup. I am wishing Ted the absolute best!
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 09:38 PM

Come on Marco, drop out, send your supporters to Ted, and heal your party!
12981091, The field isn't going to thin =>Trump wins again
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 09:38 PM
Maybe Carson drops out this round.
But now Cruz showed he has a glimmer of hope so he isn't dropping. Rubio was competitive in many states so he ain't dropping. Kascich is just waiting until Ohio.

All that means Trump never needs to get more than like 35% of the vote in each state. That's probably close to the upper limit of his support
12981093, Rubio's wife tho...
Posted by Amritsar, Tue Mar-01-16 09:39 PM
even if dude is losing he's still winning
12981088, Marco, it ain gon happen
Posted by OKdamn, Tue Mar-01-16 09:30 PM
You ain't winnin, bruh. Wrap it up. Know when it's over.
12981094, Christie looks so disgusted with himself lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 09:39 PM
12981096, Watching his expressions as he stands behind his new master, ranting,
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 09:45 PM
is maybe the best entertainment of the race so far.
12981122, Christie's facial expressions lol (video)
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Mar-01-16 11:52 PM
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11144420/donald-trump-chris-christie-super-tuesday
12981133, Oh God.
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Mar-02-16 01:14 AM

Poor guy...

It's like something out of a Star Wars movie.
12981098, he's texting his aides right now like "u sure that Trump check cleared?"
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Mar-01-16 09:58 PM

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12981115, I wonder if we should assume he'll be his running mate.
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 11:01 PM
CNN doesn't seem to be addressing it.
12981116, That's certainly what it looks like.
Posted by stravinskian, Tue Mar-01-16 11:06 PM
Trial run, at least.

On the other hand, Christie's not such a hot commodity these days. Supposedly he has the lowest approval ratings of any NJ Governor in the history of the polls. Another fun thing: today SIX major NJ newspapers published a joint editorial calling on Christie to resign as Governor over his Trump endorsement.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/governor-races/271394-nj-papers-call-for-christies-resignation

Could be deciding between runningmate and Attorney General. Christie certainly seems to want a job.
12981130, how anyone thought Christie was Presidential
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Wed Mar-02-16 12:43 AM
that look pretty much ends his political career...

terrible..lol
12981149, the best thing to come out of trumps run so far
Posted by Madvillain 626, Wed Mar-02-16 05:41 AM
12981099, Meet the new Trump.
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 10:06 PM
Awww gawd this hurts
12981104, hildawg bout to goldwater this nigguh..
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Mar-01-16 10:33 PM
12981110, Trump is going to beat Hillary
Posted by AZ, Tue Mar-01-16 10:46 PM
The talking heads don't seem to realize that this election is all about the establishment versus the outsiders.

The number of Americans happy with the status quo is not very big, and when the economy takes the inevitable downturn in the near future, Trump is going to look even better.
12981129, trump will never look better bruh...you got repubs interviewed sayin
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 12:41 AM
theyll vote for clinton before trump..hildawg...landslide
12981132, lol... not in a million years...
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Wed Mar-02-16 12:53 AM
There are huge portions of the Republican party who will not vote for Donald Trump. Some of their main cheerleaders and communicators are saying they won't vote for him....people who have huge audiences.


The Republicans changed the order of their primaries after Romney to front load it with a bunch of either very southern and extremely White Republican voters or other states where Republicans may be in the minority, but their base is again very White and more to the right. They did that so a potential frontrunner could lock up a nomination sooner....now their stuck with Trump who can slow foot dissing the KKK days before Republicans in Georgia, Alabama, ...days ago South Carolina......lol..

people shouldn't take this as a sign of what would happen against Hillary... Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections....and Barak Obama kicked them in their asses twice...

a united Republican party couldn't beat a Democrat for President..

no way they doing it with this shit...
12981136, Thank you Coolidge...
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 01:51 AM
>There are huge portions of the Republican party who will not
>vote for Donald Trump. Some of their main cheerleaders and
>communicators are saying they won't vote for him....people who
>have huge audiences.
>
>
>The Republicans changed the order of their primaries after
>Romney to front load it with a bunch of either very southern
>and extremely White Republican voters or other states where
>Republicans may be in the minority, but their base is again
>very White and more to the right. They did that so a potential
>frontrunner could lock up a nomination sooner....now their
>stuck with Trump who can slow foot dissing the KKK days before
>Republicans in Georgia, Alabama, ...days ago South
>Carolina......lol..
>
>people shouldn't take this as a sign of what would happen
>against Hillary... Republicans have lost the popular vote in
>5 out of the last 6 elections....and Barak Obama kicked them
>in their asses twice...
>
>a united Republican party couldn't beat a Democrat for
>President..
>
>no way they doing it with this shit...
12981154, Knows his shit.....
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 06:23 AM



12981714, Yep and it might open the door to a 3rd party for the (R) vote
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Thu Mar-03-16 03:36 AM
meaning Gary Johnson might get the 5% necessary to be in the next debates

I'd have more belief in it if he wasn't pro-choice
12981119, This is me right now
Posted by denny, Tue Mar-01-16 11:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

'Why don't you put HER in charge!!!!'
12981121, Sanders wins Oklahoma, Minnesota, Vermont, Colorado
Posted by Mansa Musa, Tue Mar-01-16 11:40 PM
It's obviously over for Sanders, nomination-wise. But I'm glad it wasn't a complete Clinton sweep.

Although I think Clinton is deeply corrupt and dishonest, I might bring myself to cast a lesser-evil vote for her in the GE, just to help keep that racist asshole out of the White House. Or maybe not. Either way, very little positive change is going to occur until we have better choices.
12981128, I think he should call it a day.
Posted by denny, Wed Mar-02-16 12:35 AM
In light of what's happening with Trump I think it would be best for everybody.

One thing I considered is that Sanders hasn't really directed attacked Clinton much. This may suggest that seeing out the rest of the campaign isn't such a bad idea. He hasn't gone negative so what's the harm?

I think the harm is in his supporters. They HAVE gone negative....and with Trump getting stronger it's time to unite. There is no pragmatic reason to explore any more perceived shortcomings of Hillary Clinton. I hope Bernie sees that and realizes any more unnecessary damage done to her is only gonna hurt the party from here on out. Again....it's not him....it's his supporters. And some of their criticisms (mine too) line up with what Trump will attack her on. ie campaign financing.

If Sanders were really smart he would turn the Flint debate into a formal concession....face to face....with a well-written speech about the danger of Trump. He's made his mark. I believe he's paved the way for a democratic socialist to be viable in the future. But there's nothing more to accomplish here. And trump is scaring the shit outta me.

12981134, Although he can't win, I disagree
Posted by Mansa Musa, Wed Mar-02-16 01:16 AM
If he dropped out now, the spectrum of debate would instantly become narrower. Clinton would not have to work as hard to get those voters who gravitated to Sanders. And an alarmist discourse, in which any criticism of Clinton helps Trump, means giving up all pressure on Clinton from the left. If there had been no Sanders, Clinton would not be doing better against Trump, because she'd be running further to the right, and the base would more apathetic in general. And nobody is shifting from Sanders to Trump. If they won't vote for Hillary, they wouldn't have done so anyway.

12981135, Yah we disagree.
Posted by denny, Wed Mar-02-16 01:25 AM
I think Sanders can play an important role in reigning in some of the more extremist criticism of Clinton. Look....I supported Bernie fully. But not on the same grounds that alot of his supporters do. And truthfully, I don't think Bernie agrees with some of the harsher critiques either. That's why an eloquent speech that disavows himself from some of the extreme anti-Hillary stuff can get some of his votes back.

Question for you....what exactly is the point of going further? I guess you're saying that quitting now would let Hillary off the hook and abandon some of the more leftist positions she's had to take to counter Bernie? I guess my position is that mission is already accomplished. Is there any issue specifically that you think Bernie can still effect Hillary on? Also....I'd argue that Bernie's power to force Hillary left is already tapped out anyways. She only needed to do that while he was gaining momentum. Now? What reason does she have to appease the progressives?

I suppose there's always the argument that he owes his supporters a fight. But honestly, I think he owes his supporters a Not-Trump president more.
12981155, RE: Yah we disagree.
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 06:44 AM
>I think Sanders can play an important role in reigning in
>some of the more extremist criticism of Clinton. Look....I
>supported Bernie fully. But not on the same grounds that alot
>of his supporters do. And truthfully, I don't think Bernie
>agrees with some of the harsher critiques either. That's why
>an eloquent speech that disavows himself from some of the
>extreme anti-Hillary stuff can get some of his votes back.
>
>Question for you....what exactly is the point of going
>further? I guess you're saying that quitting now would let
>Hillary off the hook and abandon some of the more leftist
>positions she's had to take to counter Bernie? I guess my
>position is that mission is already accomplished. Is there
>any issue specifically that you think Bernie can still effect
>Hillary on? Also....I'd argue that Bernie's power to force
>Hillary left is already tapped out anyways. She only needed
>to do that while he was gaining momentum. Now? What reason
>does she have to appease the progressives?
>
>I suppose there's always the argument that he owes his
>supporters a fight. But honestly, I think he owes his
>supporters a Not-Trump president more.


My man....
12981167, The idea that a few more weeks of Sanders campaigning...
Posted by Mansa Musa, Wed Mar-02-16 08:35 AM
...is going to give us a Trump presidency is pure alarmism. I haven't even had a chance to vote in my state yet. More importantly, unless Sanders runs as a third party candidate and splits the vote, the accusation that he is helping Trump by contesting the primary is bullshit, IMO. Dropping out before people have a chance to vote in Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Louisiana, etc., will just make Sanders supporters more bitter and less likely to turn out at all in November.
12981182, RE: The idea that a few more weeks of Sanders campaigning...
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 09:30 AM


I think Sanders should keep it up...Preach his message...Keep Clinton on a more progressive tone...He is doing his job. Keep it up for another two weeks. But turn down the whole Clinton = Queen Wall Street stuff....

Basically, I agree with what this guy is saying....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/02/time-for-bernie-sanders-to-get-in-line.html

12981193, The left should never give Clinton a pass, though
Posted by Mansa Musa, Wed Mar-02-16 09:46 AM
Whenever Sanders drops out, it was always nearly inevitable. But the "fall in line" argument should be rejected if it's applied to the left more generally.

If you said to civil rights activists in 1964, "Don't criticize LBJ, it will help Goldwater," all but the most conservative would have rejected that logic. They understood the need to be independent, not supine and fearful. We should too.

Also, the Daily Beast is funded by the Clinton Foundation, so I take everything I read on there with a wheelbarrow full of salt.
12981197, RE: The left should never give Clinton a pass, though
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 09:50 AM


No passes.....Keep her feet to the fire...But after the general.....WE can make her a one-term President. No need to go all scorched earth against Clinton like some folks on the left are doing right now....There's plenty of time down the line to keep her honest...
12981194, Double post n/m
Posted by Mansa Musa, Wed Mar-02-16 09:46 AM
*edit*
12981138, Two more weeks....
Posted by rorschach, Wed Mar-02-16 02:02 AM
If Sanders can't pull the upset on March 15 then I think it would be more beneficial to that side of the aisle if he dropped out. It ain't hard to tell at this point how this primary season is going to go. The feeling was in the air when Iowa and NH had big wins at the voting booth but not among the superdelegates. The superdelegates are speaking so all of the Dem voters can go back to the kid table.
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12981143, we deserve trump. we deserve trump. we deserve trump
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-02-16 02:40 AM
really this shit is just jokes at this point. it's embarrassing on so many levels
12981157, RE: we deserve trump. we deserve trump. we deserve trump
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 06:58 AM


WE don't deserve shit....lol.....

The Repugs deserve Trump....This is their Frankenstein coming back to choke slam them....
12981187, Right. Republicans deserve trump.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Mar-02-16 09:39 AM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12981190, yeah, GOP so trash to its voters
Posted by hardware, Wed Mar-02-16 09:42 AM
folks are desperate
12981163, Damn...that hardcore wing of the Bernie Bros....
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 08:20 AM

Are really pissed at Elizabeth Warren....This shit is nuts....lol


From Twitter:

Benjamin Dixon
‏@TheBpDShow
There are 48.1% of the Democratic Voters in #MaPoli who need to organize to primary @SenWarren in 2018.

---

There have been some cool Bernie supporters I've met over the last two months. Very passionate and truly want a better life for Americans struggling. But that Bernie Bro element needs to turn it down....This shit is ridiculous...And kinda scary....
12981178, his stans are hurting him.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Mar-02-16 09:15 AM
12981185, RE: his stans are hurting him.
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 09:35 AM

It started with them talking down to black folk. That's what drove African-Americans to vote for Clinton. Hearing someone call u stupid for voting for someone as if u r a aimless child smacked of sickening smugness....

I know Bernie was never about that bullshit. Dude is a stand up guy with a message that deserves to be heard. But some of his followers fits more of the mold of bomb throwers....Sort of a Bizarro World version of the Conservative Tea Party....I know the more level headed Bernie supporters were looking at these folks like, WTF....????
12981192, bruh, they could have cut checks and we would still vote Clinton
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-02-16 09:46 AM
calling people stupid for voting for another candidate is a bad look but let's not act like Bernie ever had a shot to get the Black vote.

Only way we weren't voting for Clinton is if the other candidate was Black.
12981199, RE: bruh, they could have cut checks and we would still vote Clinton
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 09:51 AM
>calling people stupid for voting for another candidate is a
>bad look but let's not act like Bernie ever had a shot to get
>the Black vote.



He def. had a shot...The early polls showed this....But Bernie never took advantage of that opening...
12981221, Supporters of both Clinton and Sanders engaged in this
Posted by Mansa Musa, Wed Mar-02-16 10:14 AM
I also recall a lot of liberal white arguments about how "black people owe Hillary the vote" as well. And a lot of people saying Hillary didn't deserve black votes were black leftists. The fact is, it's easy to find anecdotal evidence of ugly shit supporters did on both sides, and then spin a story about the whole campaign out of that.

Sanders didn't lose the black vote because his supporters were worse than Clinton's. He lost because she had an overwhelming advantage in money, political connections with ranking black politicians, and media backing.
12981184, scary? every candidate has a few nuts
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-02-16 09:34 AM
and a few stupid tweets is pretty tame IMO.

we have people getting choked out at some rallies...

now that is scary!
12981188, RE: scary? every candidate has a few nuts
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 09:40 AM
Dog....They attacked a politician that hasn't even made a statement...lol....I could see if Warren ACTUALLY MADE A COMMENT or came out in support of Clinton....

But Warren hasn't even done THAT yet...Now that anger from the Bernie Bros. has been targeted towards Elizabeth Warren...That goes beyond nut job politics....

All this^^^^....But yeah...I agree with one point u made....Trump's base is MUCH scarier....
12981195, lol... nah, that doesnt go beyond nut job politics
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-02-16 09:47 AM
12981204, RE: lol... nah, that doesnt go beyond nut job politics
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 09:55 AM


To go after a politician, known to be uber progressive, beloved by the base, and to start kicking around PRIMARY talk is Nutjob Tea Party territory WHEN SHE HASN'T EVEN COME OUT WITH A STATEMENT EITHER WAY...I consider Nutjob Tea Party-like talk beyond the usual nut job politics....
12981222, sensational
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-02-16 10:17 AM
12981207, not making a statement still makes a statement
Posted by rob, Wed Mar-02-16 09:58 AM
the same statement a lot of democrats are making

he would have won massachusetts if she campaigned for him

i think warren is fabulous, and i think what those people are doing online is despicable, but let's not pretend there isn't a logic to it.
12981209, RE: not making a statement still makes a statement
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 10:01 AM
>the same statement a lot of democrats are making
>
>he would have won massachusetts if she campaigned for him
>
>i think warren is fabulous, and i think what those people are
>doing online is despicable, but let's not pretend there isn't
>a logic to it.


Nah....They LOCO dog....Calling her a traitor...A bitch....Where did these folks come from?
12981513, Also, would a Warren endoresment really do anything for him?
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Mar-02-16 04:24 PM
I suppose it could help give him some momentum, but I have to assume most people who would be swayed by Warren are already on the Bernie side of the fence.

But yeah, the BernieBro wing is counter-productive as fuck
12981535, RE: Also, would a Warren endoresment really do anything for him?
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 04:51 PM


Would have helped him win Massachusetts.....That was a very close race....
12981211, anyone else see Van Jones head about to explode explaining racism
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 10:04 AM
to a Trump pundit on CNN???
12981215, RE: anyone else see Van Jones head about to explode explaining racism
Posted by murph71, Wed Mar-02-16 10:05 AM
>to a Trump pundit on CNN???


I would have stole on that mug....lol....Van is a better man than I.....
12981219, doggg..i said the same exact thing...repugs love tryin to flip it
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 10:14 AM
>>to a Trump pundit on CNN???
>
>
>I would have stole on that mug....lol....Van is a better man
>than I.....
12981231, yep saw it live
Posted by Deebot, Wed Mar-02-16 10:38 AM
the KKK being a leftist group a zillion years ago has nothing to do with anything.
12981241, Yep. Van held firm. (link)
Posted by Marbles, Wed Mar-02-16 10:53 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/01/cnn-commentators-erupt-during-super-tuesday-fight-over-trump.html

I find it ironic & fascinating to hear conservatives that oppose Trump point out that he's using dog whistle politics. This election has turned America inside out & upside down.
12981234, Republican billionaires will prefer Hildawg over Trump (swipe)
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 10:43 AM
mofos with real money aint fkng with Trump at all..theyll roll with Hildawg...


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-backed-major-republican-donors.html

Hillary Clinton Is Backed by Major Republican Donors
Posted on February 22, 2016 by Eric Zuesse.
Eric Zuesse

An analysis of Federal Election Commission records, by TIME, which was published on 23 October 2015, showed that the 2012 donors to Romney’s campaign were already donating more to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign than they had been donating to any one of the 2016 campaigns of — listed here in declining order below Clinton — Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, or Jim Gilmore. Those major Romney donors also gave a little to two Democrats (other than to Hillary — who, as mentioned, received a lot of donations from these Republican donors): Martin O’Malley, Jim Web, and Lawrence Lessig. (Romney’s donors gave nothing to Bernie Sanders, and nothing to Elizabeth Warren. They don’t want either of those people to become President.)

Clinton is the only Democratic candidate who is even moderately attractive to big Republican donors.

In ascending order above Clinton, Romney’s donors were donating to: John Kasich, Scott Walker, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Jeb Bush. The top trio — of Bush, Cruz, and Rubio — together, received around 60% of all the money donated for the 2016 race by the people who had funded Mitt Romney’s 2012 drive for the White House.


So: the Democrat Hillary Clinton scored above 14 candidates, and below 6 candidates. She was below 6 Republican candidates, and she was above 11 Republican candidates (Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, and Jim Gilmore). The 6 candidates she scored below were: Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Scott Walker, and John Kasich.

This means that, in the entire 17-candidate Republican field, she drew more Republican money than did any one of 11 of the Republican candidates, but less Republican money than did any one of 6 of them. So, if she were a Republican (in what would then have been an 18-candidate Republican field for 2016), she would have been the 7th-from-the-top recipient of Romney-donor money.

Therefore, to Republican donors, Hillary Clinton is a more attractive prospect for the U.S. Presidency than was 64% of the then-current 17-member Republican field of candidates.

Another way to view this is that, to Republican donors, a President Hillary Clinton was approximately as attractive a Presidential prospect to lead the nation as was a President Graham, or a President Kasich — and was a more attractive prospective President than a President Lindsey Graham, a President Rand Paul, a President Carly Fiorina, a President Chris Christie, a President Rick Perry, a President Mike Huckabee, a President Donald Trump, a President Bobby Jindal, a President Rick Santorum, or a President George Pataki.

To judge from Clinton’s actual record of policy-decisions, and excluding any consideration of her current campaign-rhetoric (which is directed only at Democratic voters), all three of those candidates who were in Clinton’s Republican-donor league — Graham, Clinton, and Kasich — would, indeed, be quite similar, from the perceived self-interest standpoint of the major Republican donors.

As to whether any one of those three candidates as President would be substantially worse for Republican donors than would any one of the Republican big-three — Bush, Cruz, and Rubio — a person can only speculate.

However, the main difference between Clinton and the Republican candidates is certainly the rhetoric, not the reality. The reason for that Democratic rhetoric is that Ms. Clinton is competing right now only for Democratic votes, while each one of the Republican candidates is competing right now only for Republican votes.

Hillary Clinton’s rhetoric is liberal, but her actual actions in politics have been conservative, except for her nominal support for liberal initiatives that attracted even some Republican support, or else that the Senate vote-counts (at the time when she was in the Senate) indicated in-advance had no real chance of becoming passed into law. In other words: her record was one of rhetoric and pretense on a great many issues, and of meaningful action on only issues that wouldn’t embarrass her in a Democratic primary campaign, to attract Democratic voters.

In terms of her actual record in U.S. public office, it’s indistinguishable from that of Republican politicians in terms of corruption, and it’s indistinguishable from Republican politicians in terms of the policies that she carried out as the U.S. Secretary of State for four years. Her record shows her to be clearly a Republican on both matters (notwithstanding that her rhetoric has been to the exact contrary on both matters).

In a general-election contest against the Republican nominee, Clinton would move more toward the ideological center, and so also would any one of the Republican candidates, who would be nominated by Republican primaries and so running against her in the general election, to draw votes from the center as well as from the right. The rhetorical contest would be between a center-right Clinton and a slightly farther-right Republican; but, at present, the rhetorical contest is starkly different on the Democratic side than it is on the Republican side, simply because the candidates are trying right now to appeal to their own Party’s electorate (Democrats=left; Republicans=right) during the primary phase of the campaign, not addressing themselves now to the entire electorate (as during the general-election campaign).

Only in the general-election contest do all of the major candidates’ rhetoric tend more toward the center. The strategic challenge in the general election is to retain enough appeal to the given nominee’s Party-base so as to draw them to the polls on Election Day, while, at the same time, being close enough to the political center so as to attract independent voters and crossover voters from the other side.

A good example of the fudging that typically occurs during the general-election phase would be the 2012 contest itself. Both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney drew closer to the rhetorical center during the general-election matchup; but they were actually much more similar to each other than their rhetoric ever was. (After all, Obamacare is patterned upon Romneycare.) During the general-election Romney-Obama contest, Romney famously said that Russia “is without question our number one geopolitical foe, they fight for every cause for the world’s worst actors.” Then, Obama criticized that statement, by saying, “you don’t call Russia our No. 1 enemy — not Al-Qaida, Russia — unless you’re still stuck in a Cold War mind warp.” But, now, as President, Obama’s own National Security Strategy 2015 refers to Russia on 17 of the 18 occasions where it employs the term “aggression,” and he doesn’t refer even once to Saudi Arabia that way, even though the Saudi royal family (who control that country) have been the major funders of Al Qaeda, and though 15 of the 19 perpetrators on 9/11 were Saudis — none of them was Russian — and though 92% of the citizenry in the nation that the Saud family owns and whose ‘news’ media and clerics drum into those people’s heads the holiness of jihad, approve of ISIS (which the Saud family prohibit inside Saudi Arabiua even while supporting and funding the jihadists in Syria and elsewhere), and though the Sauds as the country’s leaders are using American weapons and training to bomb and starve-to-death Yemenis. Instead of calling the Saudi regime “aggressors,” we supply arms to them, and cooperate with them against their major oil-competitor, Russia. (For example, we arm the Saudi-funded jihadists that Russia is bombing in Syria, because Syria is a key potential pipeline route into Europe for Saudi oil and Qatari gas, to replace Russian oil and gas in Europe. So, we support the jihadists, even though Obama’s rhetoric opposes them — and even though Obama killed Osama bin Laden, whose Al Qaeda was funded mainly by the Saud family and their friends. Hillary Clinton is even more hawkish against Russia than is Obama. She would be even better for Republican donors than Obama has been.)

Also regarding such fudging: on 27 March 2009, President Obama in secret told the assembled chieftains of Wall Street, “My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks. … I’m protecting you.” Romney could have said the same, if he had been elected. And President Obama’s record has now made clear that he indeed has fulfilled on that promise he made secretly to them. The reality turned out to be far more like Romney, than like Obama’s campaign rhetoric had ever been. Similarly, on Obama’s trade-deals (TPP, TTIP, and TISA), he has been very much what would have been expected from Romney, though Obama in the 2008 Democratic Presidential primaries had campaigned against Hillary Clinton for her having supported and helped to pass NAFTA. Obama’s trade-deals go even beyond NAFTA, to benefit international mega-corporations, at the general public’s expense.

What Hillary’s fairly strong appeal to Romney’s financial backers shows is that the wealthy, because of their access to leaders in government, know and recognize the difference between what a candidate says in public, versus what the winning public official has said to them (in private) and actually does while serving in office. They know that she keeps her promises to them, not her promises to the electorate.

Hillary Clinton is a good investment for a billionaire — even for the 70% of them who are Republicans. And, based on those 2015 donation-figures, it seems that they would prefer a President Hillary Clinton, over a President Donald Trump. However, their three favorite candidates, in order, were: Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio. But, in a Clinton-versus-Trump contest, Hillary Clinton would likely draw more money from Republican mega-donors than Trump would, and, of course, she would draw virtually all of the money from Democratic mega-donors. In such an instance, Hillary Clinton would probably draw a larger campaign-chest (especially considering super-pacs) than any candidate for any political office in U.S. (or global) history. Hillary Clinton would almost certainly be the most-heavily-marketed political product in history, if she becomes nominated and ends up running against Trump.

12981298, Hillary has to walk a bit of a tight rope...
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Wed Mar-02-16 11:48 AM
she's got to keep those guys on board.....be welcoming to moderate republicans... But still rally Bernie's supporters and engage the Obama coalition.

There's a way to do it.... but she just can't alienate any of those sides while she's doing it.
12981244, Go Trump!
Posted by wluv, Wed Mar-02-16 10:54 AM
As we inch closer to Madame President Clinton.

Its gonna to be a landslide.

Just look at the 2012 Election map where Obama won 332 to Romney 202.

This year will look similar as Dems come together and Repubs continue to splinter and distance themselves.

Btw i thought Sarah Palin's endorsement meant something. Howd did Trump lose Alaska with her backing him. They really hate Sarah like that up there?
12981294, Trump might fire Palin on live tv next week
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 11:44 AM
>As we inch closer to Madame President Clinton.
>
>Its gonna to be a landslide.
>
>Just look at the 2012 Election map where Obama won 332 to
>Romney 202.
>
>This year will look similar as Dems come together and Repubs
>continue to splinter and distance themselves.
>
>Btw i thought Sarah Palin's endorsement meant something. Howd
>did Trump lose Alaska with her backing him. They really hate
>Sarah like that up there?
12981470, And now for some needed levity - Bad Lip Reading: Ted Cruz
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Mar-02-16 03:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v75wCTMZoSY
12981500, I chuckled
Posted by Binladen, Wed Mar-02-16 04:18 PM
12981472, So Donald Trump is basically Eric Cartman from South Park
Posted by Binladen, Wed Mar-02-16 03:52 PM
.
12981622, South Park had Mr Garrison as Trump this season
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Mar-02-16 06:49 PM
but, yeah.
12981600, Mitt Romney to give a speech tomorrow. Like, for what?
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Mar-02-16 06:13 PM
Is the establishment THAT out of touch that they think Mitt Romney is looked at by the public as some kind of party leader who can make a difference right now?

What could he possibly say to help their situation?

This shit is hilarious
12981605, Lol. He is gonna just throw more gasoline on the fire
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Wed Mar-02-16 06:21 PM
The more establishment GOPers come out against Trump, they more galvanized his supporters will become.
It's more evidence to them that they are backing the right guy.

A Romney condemnation is about equal to an Obama condemnation
12981684, 100%
Posted by denny, Wed Mar-02-16 10:49 PM
It shows that they don't understand what's happening. Mitt Romney stands for everything this movement is AGAINST.
12981697, Pretty much. what could he possibly say?
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-03-16 12:06 AM
Is he gonna go on about Trump's rhetoric, and talk about "conservative principles"? The Trump people don't give two shits about conservative principles. The people who do go on about conservative principles are all in for Cruz. Both groups despise Romney and his ilk, so who the fuck is he even talking to besides the already-Rubio crowd

Hey, listen up everybody.. the guy who lost to Obama twice is talking
12981725, RE: Pretty much. what could he possibly say?
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 08:20 AM
>Is he gonna go on about Trump's rhetoric, and talk about
>"conservative principles"? The Trump people don't give two
>shits about conservative principles. The people who do go on
>about conservative principles are all in for Cruz. Both groups
>despise Romney and his ilk, so who the fuck is he even talking
>to besides the already-Rubio crowd
>
>Hey, listen up everybody.. the guy who lost to Obama twice is
>talking


Right...Conservatives still don't get it....Trump has basically exposed the Republican party as bullshit.....It's base never cared about tax cuts, gay marriage, abortion, or any of THAT shit....They don't care if Trump is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE (whatever that means). They don't care if he gave money to Hilldawg and the Dems....

But that base DOES care about that isolationist, us-against-them, racist message that Trump is spewing...That's the true Republican message. And they hate that Trump is exposing much (not all) of their base for what they truly are....
12981652, Stepping out of my Hillbot cape for a brief moment...
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Mar-02-16 07:44 PM

"Make America whole again"? WTF Hillary? I know it's still the testing phase, as far as slogans go. But that shouldn't have made it out of the brainstorm.
12981656, HAHA!!! I had the same thought TBH
Posted by bentagain, Wed Mar-02-16 08:02 PM
just another example of her co-opting somebody else's platform IMO

she took make america great again

and tried to spin it

america's always been great = pause

for who? for you and yours maybe. really overlooks how hard folks are struggling out here, IMO. HAHA, couldn't get more elitist if you tried

but yeah, then to transistion to holes, gaps, or whatever the fok she was trying get to

kinda contradicts what you just said about 'murica always being great in the first place

yeah, that one shouldn't made it off the chalkboard IMO.
12981679, Wow, you really reach with your anger.
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Mar-02-16 10:18 PM

That's a hell of a lot of forced shading.

"Make America whole again" has no flow and it's not particularly suggestive. That's all I was saying.
12981681, I wasn't aware that was an official campaign slogan
Posted by bentagain, Wed Mar-02-16 10:33 PM
her recent speeches, it felt like her trying to transistion to focusing on Trump and the GE

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/02/hillary-clinton-super-tuesday-speech-miami-sot.cnn/video/playlists/super-tuesday/

and being painfully unoriginal in doing so, by spinning trump's slogan to that faiL.

or maybe you're just trolling, IDK
12981695, What are you even talking about?
Posted by stravinskian, Wed Mar-02-16 11:27 PM

OF COURSE it's a reference to Trump, as it should be. Trump is her competition now. All that other shit you added is just the result of your fevered imagination.
12981686, RE: Wow, you really reach with your anger.
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Mar-02-16 10:53 PM
>
>That's a hell of a lot of forced shading.
>
>"Make America whole again" has no flow and it's not
>particularly suggestive. That's all I was saying.
>



LMAO!!!
12981729, you realize that the Sanders camp is doing the same thing with Hillary right?
Posted by Jay Doz, Thu Mar-03-16 08:35 AM
"Us, not Him"

remixing one of her campaign slogans and themes to get a their message across. it's more clever than what Clinton is attempting here, but it's the same principle.
12981704, The Republican party is basically imploding right now
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Thu Mar-03-16 01:01 AM
lots of stuff catching up to them..

doing nothing in congress but obstructing....right wing ranting on the radio 24/7...Fox News, breitbart and all that other crazy stuff...

so now Donald Trump can come in...basically saying nothing..and walk away with the nomination..

the establishment probably doesn't have the power or the time to stop them...

if they try to deny Trump at the convention ..it will be a 1968 style ...only this time with friggin White supremists whoo riding for Trump...


the Right is at war with itself....

grab your popcorn.
12981722, yup
Posted by wluv, Thu Mar-03-16 08:03 AM
Went to cnn this morning and i see Romney calling him a phony and Ben Stein calling Trump "dangerously misinformed".

Theyre trying to pull out all the stops now but its too late.

I dont even know what a brokered convention would look like but it cant be good.

After winning all these states, Trump's ego is too big for him to tone down or try to compromise now.

They really are imploding.
12981723, RE: yup
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 08:07 AM
>Went to cnn this morning and i see Romney calling him a phony
>and Ben Stein calling Trump "dangerously misinformed".
>
>Theyre trying to pull out all the stops now but its too late.
>
>I dont even know what a brokered convention would look like
>but it cant be good.
>
>After winning all these states, Trump's ego is too big for him
>to tone down or try to compromise now.
>
>They really are imploding.


If the Establishment keeps this up, Trump will def. go 3rd party...He's said as much...
12981782, i can see that happening
Posted by wluv, Thu Mar-03-16 10:18 AM
>If the Establishment keeps this up, Trump will def. go 3rd
>party...He's said as much...

Especially how hard they are going in.

If he goes 3rd party, they are dead in the water in Nov.
12981708, Staffer who set up Clinton server granted immunity from prosecution (swipe)
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Mar-03-16 01:29 AM
This can't be good, can it? He pled the fif earlier. Does he have something to say now?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSMTZSAPEC33FYDR8A

Immunity to State Dept staffer who set up Clinton email server

The U.S. Justice Department has given immunity from prosecution to a State Department employee who helped set up and manage the private email server Hillary Clinton used for her work as secretary of state, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

A senior U.S. law enforcement official said the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had secured the cooperation of Bryan Pagliano, who worked on Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign before joining the State Department with her and setting up the server in her New York home in 2009, the newspaper reported. (wapo.st/1RqkIk2)

The Post described the investigation as a criminal inquiry, a label Clinton and her staff have resisted as they seek to reassure voters that the frontrunner to become the Democratic Party's nominee in November's presidential election is not in legal jeopardy.

Clinton has said she did nothing wrong and that she believes the U.S. government will vindicate her. She has also apologized for what she said was poor judgment.

In 2014, Clinton returned about 30,000 emails to the State Department, but said she "chose not to keep" thousands of others her staff deemed not to be work-related. Her staff have acknowledged that other work emails were not handed over, without explaining why.

More than 2,000 of Clinton's work emails contain classified information that could harm national security if exposed, according the State Department, including 22 classified as 'top secret', the highest level. The government forbids sending or storing classified emails through unsecured, non-government channels, and has prosecuted people for breaches.

Brian Fallon, a Clinton spokesman, said in a statement that Clinton's campaign was "pleased" that Pagliano was cooperating.

The Justice Department and FBI declined to comment on whether Pagliano had been granted immunity, and his lawyer did not respond to questions.

Last month, a federal judge overseeing a civil lawsuit against the State Department ruled that department officials and aides to Clinton could be questioned under oath about whether her use of a private email system was an effort to skirt open records laws.

The FBI is likely to ask Clinton and her aides in coming months how the server was set up and whether they knew they were sending classified information in emails, the Post reported.

Pagliano has declined to testify to lawmakers, citing a constitutional right against self-incrimination.

Republicans have called for Clinton's prosecution.

"This terrible error in judgment coupled with Clinton's arrogant and dishonest claims shows she can't be trusted with the presidency," Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee's chairman, said in a statement.
12981730, RE: Staffer who set up Clinton server granted immunity from prosecution (swipe)
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 08:35 AM

This is the only thing that spooks me...That email shit is for real....And the Hill-bots not taking this seriously need to sober up...

Good thing though that the guy leading the Republican race is going through his own legal bullshit too (Trump University trial is happening....)

Plus it doesn't help that Trump basically called out the judge overseeing the Trump University trial as being bias because he's Latino....*blinks*

Fun times, folks....
12981732, man, this is going to be a shit show
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 08:55 AM
if she wins her whole term is going to be trial after trial after trial.

12981735, RE: man, this is going to be a shit show
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 09:02 AM
>if she wins her whole term is going to be trial after trial
>after trial.


Same for Trump, playboy.....
12981738, Or for Bernie, for that matter.
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-03-16 09:12 AM
This is how the Republican party does things. Despite people's lack of memory, they did it to Obama too.

Remember the IRS "scandal"?

They couldn't all go in vocally on the birther shit, due to the overt racism, but they got what they needed to out of it.

Benghazi was designed to be an Obama scandal too, before it was repurposed for the Presidential race.
12982104, LMAO, why would there be trial after trial with Bernie?
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:14 PM


12982152, Because you don't need wrongdoing to have scandals OR trials,
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-03-16 04:54 PM
as we saw throughout the Obama years and, yes, the Clinton years.
12982102, huh? nah.. Clinton is going to be scandal after scandal
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:13 PM
I'm not really thinking about Trump winning this whole thing
12982108, RE: huh? nah.. Clinton is going to be scandal after scandal
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:18 PM
>I'm not really thinking about Trump winning this whole thing


My point is they are both flawed....
12981737, Nope, still nothing.
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-03-16 09:08 AM

Nobody's even accused her of anything illegal, or of anything that wasn't done by TWO of her immediate predecessors (would have been more if email was a thing earlier). At this point all of the emails have been released, and all the ones that are supposedly classified were classified years AFTER they were sent and received.

Of course Pagliano would have plead the fifth until he had immunity. These are intricate laws that have changed over time, and he knows that a good number of people are politically motivated to put him through hell over anything that might be deemed questionable.

It's just another Clinton "scandal." A political invention, and a complete waste of time.
12982300, No sign of hacking...
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-03-16 09:51 PM

no emails classified at the time they were sent or received, and Pagliano had very justifiable reasons to wait for immunity before talking:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/security-logs-of-hillary-clintons-email-server-are-said-to-show-no-evidence-of-hacking.html
12981914, Mitt....
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 12:59 PM


just tried to snatch Trump's wig off.......And yep...People are right...Mittens knows he can't BEAT Trump...He can't force him out of the race and he can't convert Trump's followers....

I think Romney is more more concerned about the future of the Republican party...If/When Trump wins the nomination for the Republicans, that party officially becomes a joke....
12981927, This is a goddamn layup for Trump
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-03-16 01:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wepQa4gC5Yw

Here's Mitt sucking him off 4 years ago. Now he's calling him a fraud.

LOL@ the stuff about unemployment going up


12981996, RE: This is a goddamn layup for Trump
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 02:25 PM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wepQa4gC5Yw
>
>Here's Mitt sucking him off 4 years ago. Now he's calling him
>a fraud.
>
>LOL@ the stuff about unemployment going up


All politics....People can point to Chris Christie saying that Trump was not Presidential material; that he lacks the temperament and dignity to hold the office...

Now Christie's mammoth ass is backing Trump like he has a gun held up to his head AND Trump is accepting an endorsement from someone who once mocked him for being a joke....
12981941, The story going around
Posted by stravinskian, Thu Mar-03-16 01:32 PM

is that he's angling to set himself up as the consensus candidate when the convention erupts into chaos.

I can not wait to see that. I almost wish I could get in to that convention to see it happen live.
12981991, Yeah, I've always thought this too
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Mar-03-16 02:21 PM
He envisions himself as the white knight who rides in on a horse to "save" the party during the convention.

He's testing the waters for another run essentially since 2012 election night. This is going to be a clusterfuck.
12981993, RE: The story going around
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 02:23 PM
>
>is that he's angling to set himself up as the consensus
>candidate when the convention erupts into chaos.
>
>I can not wait to see that. I almost wish I could get in to
>that convention to see it happen live.


This^^^^^^
12982057, it's right around the corner....
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Mar-03-16 03:35 PM
...it WOULD be the one that happens in Cleveland for some fuckshit like this to go down
12981976, Trump is in the studio right now
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Thu Mar-03-16 02:05 PM
12981992, I could have said Mitt, drop to your knees, and he would have done it
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-03-16 02:22 PM
lol this fucking guy
12982006, yeah he went there
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Thu Mar-03-16 02:30 PM
12982044, Jesus....
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 03:19 PM
He implied that he fucked Mitt's wife too. Unbelievable
12982046, RE: Jesus....
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 03:21 PM
>He implied that he fucked Mitt's wife too. Unbelievable


I hope he keeps it up...Makes for great campaign ads.....
12982053, Rob Ford did the same thing.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 03:30 PM
Only made him that much stronger.
12982058, RE: Rob Ford did the same thing.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 03:38 PM
>Only made him that much stronger.


Demographics in this country different homie...Plus....We are electing a PRESIDENT...Not a local mayor....We got crazy ass mayors across this country, too, Denny. Mayors that r corrupt as shit...Have legal issues; smoked crack with hookers, etc....Running locally for mayor of of an American city or in Toronto is vastly different than running for an entire country.....

If Rob Ford was voted Prime Minister of Canada THAT would be some SCARY shit...lol
12982078, Let me get this straight....
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 03:58 PM
You think that the 'get on his knees' and the wife-sex implication are going to hurt Trump?

If so, why? Especially in the face of the mounting evidence that it is working?
12982094, RE: Let me get this straight....
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:07 PM
>You think that the 'get on his knees' and the wife-sex
>implication are going to hurt Trump?
>
>If so, why? Especially in the face of the mounting evidence
>that it is working?


Not with the Trump true believers....THEY LOVE THAT SHIT....

But u do realize that Trump is getting LESS than 40 percent of his own parties' vote, right? I'm talking about the other voters (women, blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc...) that Trump has to court in order to win a general...

Trump's followers love that misogynistic frat boy shit...Let's test it on the rest of the country.....
12982084, please STFU about Rob Ford
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:01 PM
Trump isnt going to get the minority vote bruh..

it's not the same thing
12982090, He doesn't need to get it.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 04:06 PM
He just needs a portion.
12982095, bruh, he is going to get like .5% of the minority vote
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:09 PM
12982101, He'll lose if that's the case.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 04:11 PM
Minorities make up what.....45% now?
12982110, no shit...lol
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:18 PM



12982216, NIGGA WE TOLD YOU THAT SHIT 3 MOS AGO WHEN YOU START
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Mar-03-16 06:07 PM
SPEWING THAT ROB FORD SHIT..fk outta here with that rob won so trump will win....
12982229, You're joking right?
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 06:33 PM
If anyone should harken back to what was said around here 3 months ago it's me. Cause I'm one of 2 posters who predicted a Trump nomination. EVERYBODY else had numerous explanations for why he'd wilt away. Over and over again those explanations proved wrong. I don't like being a 'told you so' guy...but give me a break.

Rob Ford won in Toronto. 3 million people. Significantly more racially diverse than the US as a whole. Less than half of Toronto is white.

Rob Ford and Donald Trump are good friends.

Donald Trump endorsed and campaigned for Rob Ford.

Rob Ford's campaign manager has been paid as a consultant for Donald Trump.

Donald Trump has repeated Rob Ford quotes verbatim (ie 'I could shoot someone on the street and wouldn't lose any voters)

Political pundits doubted Ford could win because of the minority vote in light of his numerous racist outbursts

Rob Ford ran on an unprecedented campaign of anti-intellectualism.

Rob Ford won by a landslide. He got the majority of the black and Chinese votes despite saying the en word numerous times and likening Chinese people to dogs.

Ignore all that at your own risk.
12982233, what you dont understand is the GOP is a shit show..your trump
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Mar-03-16 06:42 PM
prediction to win the GOP nominaton means NOTHING..now you been talking general...and as i tol you before ITS noT HAPPENING..this country is too diverse for that rob ford/trump bullshit..
12982239, The US is not diverse.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 07:00 PM
Not compared to Toronto.

You haven't seen Trump's hand with minority voters yet. The Fords stood outside highrises in black communities and gave out $20 bills. I imagine that Trump will mirror this with some sort of very surface-level equivalent for the minority vote. I've already outlined my 4 major reasons why trump will do better with minority voters than expected in another post.
12982407, u giving us more credit than we deserve
Posted by MiracleRic, Fri Mar-04-16 09:34 AM
part of trump's allure is people's allure to celebrity and money

it's way more minority Trump supporters than would seem reasonable

we supporting queen super-predators without a 2nd thought

12982098, RE: He doesn't need to get it.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:10 PM
>He just needs a portion.


Not true....He needs A LOT....And he needs women too....

Again...perspective....Trump only has less than 40 percent of the Republican vote right now...Even when everyone drops out he needs to still get that Latino vote....That's not happening....At all...

12982112, Well then there's nothing to worry about.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 04:20 PM
But I think you're underestimating him and over-estimating minority voters.
12982114, if WE stay home or vote in low numbers
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:22 PM
and Trump gets all the other votes from the GOP then it could get dicey
12982217, wait homie you tryin to flip now..you already said niggas staying home
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Mar-03-16 06:09 PM
and i told you not in a million years...Hill dawg got this in a landslide just like i been tellin you arty smartys...yall need to leave them late night infomercials alone...you niggas prolly got like 6 blenders in the crib..
12982424, huh? i still believe we wont come out in large numbers like we did for O
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 09:54 AM
but I'm not sure if it will be enough for Trump to win.

then again, I never thought Trump would be the nominee and I still have doubts.

If it's Cruz or Rubio I think Hillary has a problem winning.
12982139, RE: Well then there's nothing to worry about.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:44 PM
>But I think you're underestimating him and over-estimating
>minority voters.

I'm not...Because Trump's message is the issue...If this was your garden variety Republican putting make-up on his party's racist base, then yeah, you would have a point....We would def. have a reason to be worried about turning out that minority vote....

But here's the problem with Trump...

Trump has BRAZNLY bashed Latinos....And played fast and loose with his KKK support...

Gonna be interesting...
12982014, The crowd at this....
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 02:42 PM

post Romney--Trump speech sounds like they are about to break out the white robes. Wild, scary stuff....
12982017, I wonder when the first brawl will break out
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Thu Mar-03-16 02:48 PM
12982019, RE: I wonder when the first brawl will break out
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 02:49 PM


The brawls have been happening...The question is when will someone get shot...?
12982025, No, I mean a brawl. Groups of people fighting. I don't mean people getting
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Thu Mar-03-16 02:53 PM
pushed around and roughed up.
12982032, RE: No, I mean a brawl. Groups of people fighting. I don't mean people getting
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 03:05 PM


There have been fights...People being choked slam...Punches thrown....That's par for the course at a Trump rally...
12982021, This dude Trump and talk his ass off. Damn, he just remembering.
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Thu Mar-03-16 02:50 PM
12982036, RE: This dude Trump and talk his ass off. Damn, he just remembering.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 03:07 PM


He's a blowhard, me-me-me-!!!! dick....

The Repugs deserve him....
12982096, CNN exit polls
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 04:09 PM
Pretty exhaustive. You can select the specific state at the top of page:

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Rep

It shows that the trump supporter stereotype (poor, uneducated) doesn't hold.
12982105, RE: CNN exit polls
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:15 PM
>Pretty exhaustive. You can select the specific state at the
>top of page:
>
>http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Rep


>
>It shows that the trump supporter stereotype (poor,
>uneducated) doesn't hold.

Trump is getting more white voters...Some educated...Some not....some with money...some not....

But to be President u need women, Latinos and blacks, Asians...I'm going to say this for the 1 millionth time. They just started those anti-Trump ads JUST RECENTLY....When those ads start to roll out in a general public of Donald pandering to the KK and shitting on women, it will def matter beyond those non Trump STANS....
12982113, I still think it could get interesting if Cruz and Rubio
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 04:20 PM
drop out and Trump is able to get most of their votes

The GOP has a lot of new voters and turnout for Dem primaries is low.

12982134, RE: I still think it could get interesting if Cruz and Rubio
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:36 PM
>drop out and Trump is able to get most of their votes
>
>The GOP has a lot of new voters and turnout for Dem primaries
>is low.


There are a lot of traditional Republicans that will not show up to vote for Trump if he is the nominee. Take that to the bank, homie...

Also, not worried about that whole high/low voter turnout thing...History proves (in primaries) it's usually not something u can depend on....

12982131, He's doing well with women already.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 04:33 PM
As proved by the exit polls. Despite the numerous and continuous sexist and chauvinistic things he's saying.

Race is still to be determined. But I'll bet you'll be surprised by them too.

Edit: The only poll wherein race is NOT N/A Trump won amongst non-whites decidedly.
12982136, RE: He's doing well with women already.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 04:38 PM
>As proved by the exit polls. Despite the numerous and
>continuous sexist and chauvinistic things he's saying.
>
>Race is still to be determined. But I'll bet you'll be
>surprised by them too.


He's doing well with hardcore republican women.....Kind of like saying you are the tallest midget (sort of like him bragging about getting the most Latinos in Nevada....There was a punchline to that too...)....

There's a certain percentage of women u have to hit in general elections....When Trump starts to beat up on Hillary Clinton and spews that sexist talk, u will see what happens.....
12982146, I don't care how small the sample size is.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 04:50 PM
Trump got 45% of the Hispanic vote against 2 Hispanic candidates. While calling Mexicans rapists and drug-dealers.

That's meaningful.
12982161, RE: I don't care how small the sample size is.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-03-16 05:05 PM
>Trump got 45% of the Hispanic vote against 2 Hispanic
>candidates. While calling Mexicans rapists and drug-dealers.
>
>That's meaningful.


Not at all..I've explained this to death....(and Cruz and Rubio has been low-key anti-immigration too...lol)

Peep: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/24/donald-trump-apparently-won-the-latino-vote-in-nevada-it-doesnt-mean-latinos-suddenly-love-him/

Also, it was reported that EIGHT OUT OF TEN Latinos polled across the country have a negative view of Trump...Dude is about to get historic low votes with Latinos....
12982165, I hope you're right.
Posted by denny, Thu Mar-03-16 05:10 PM
But there's only so much to debate about whether it will rain tomorrow. We'll see.
12982220, dude are you dumb?? 45% of repug mexicans isnt shit
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Mar-03-16 06:13 PM
stop trying to make trump be our president bcz you dont know wtf you talking about
12982231, it isnt meaningful
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-03-16 06:35 PM
if 2000 Latinos vote GOP and 10000 vote Den... his 45% means nothing
12982120, good friend is an accomplished PhD, leaning Trump way these days
Posted by lonesome_d, Thu Mar-03-16 04:27 PM
it's interesting b/c two months ago we hung out and he said roughly 'As much as I loathe Hillary Clinton, I would have to vote for her over Trump.'

He says he doesn't remember that now.

He's still very unlikely to vote for Trump if there are other options when the PA primary rolls around in a few weeks, but will be interesting (and maybe sad) to see what happens with him this fall.
12982223, Does Trump always ramble at his rallies like an obnoxious rich lady?
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-03-16 06:18 PM
Don't think i've gone past 10 minutes of his actual rally stuff before this romney response thing. Mostly i just peep clips of the insults. Like, some of it is entertaining, but when he starts rambling about himself, the shit is just excruciating, just in a non-political sense

I mean, i know he does.. i guess i just didn't realize it was this much. He sounds like the loud pompous lady over at the next table with the gaudy jewelry on who never shuts the fuck up.

I guess he mixes it up with humor and throwing people out, but other than that, i don't see how this schtick doesn't wear thin
12982256, i imagine the analogy would be jazz
Posted by rob, Thu Mar-03-16 07:31 PM
or maybe even freestyle raps

shit probably sounds like midnight marauders to an angry old white dude. it's just not our thing.
12982504, A battle rap analogy isn't ridiculous......
Posted by denny, Fri Mar-04-16 11:07 AM
How does a technically flawless rapper with incredible metaphors and verbal dexterity beat the talentless but witty and likeable opponent?

At the end of the day.....it's STILL a popularity contest.

We've seen 3 approaches thus far.....

Jeb Bush attempted the intellectual attack. Called Trump out for what he was.....shamed him for controversial and offensive statements.

Marco Rubio has resorted to trying to beat him at his own game. Name-calling and witty put-downs.

John Kasich has attempted to be 'the adult in the room'. Don't take the bait. Don't attack Trump and don't respond to the clearly offensive things he says. Let the voters see that for themselves.

Obviously, none of them have been head-to-head. But the point is that I don't think there's an alternative approach to those 3. Those are Hillary's options. I can't call which one would work better. I've read one opinion that claimed Hillary should take the John Kasich route while using Obama as the attack dog. So Obama would play the role of Jeb. But that might back-fire just like Romney back-fired.

It's a frigging enigma.
12982845, well that's because debates only *sometimes* matter
Posted by rob, Fri Mar-04-16 07:47 PM
i'd argue that kasich's approach, for example, has been effective. i think it's helped him pick up thousands of supporters.

but there's so many other reasons people pick candidates and evaluate candidates that it's not enough to make a difference in this election.
12982235, i'm almost at the point to start taking you niggas money ..
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Mar-03-16 06:45 PM
hildawg will be the next president.... trump inst winning shit..
12982263, Might need to rethink this. He mashed Jeb!
Posted by bentagain, Thu Mar-03-16 07:52 PM
and is taking out these other politicos one at a time

do you really think HRC is that far superior in any field comparatively

that Trump wouldn't trample her as well?

there's plenty of ammo...plen T

rinse wash and repeat his Mitt comebacks
12982265, RE: Might need to rethink this. He mashed Jeb!
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-03-16 07:57 PM
Yes...

She is battle tested yo...
12982379, RE: Might need to rethink this. He mashed Jeb!
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 06:59 AM


Jeb was a joke....
12982399, Trumpowski isnt taking Hilldawg out
Posted by wluv, Fri Mar-04-16 09:08 AM
He's not ready for that fight with the glass house of divorce baggage he has and the host of bankruptcies and bad business deals former partners will come out of the woodwork to blast him on. His personal file is looooooog too, and he cant win that battle.

The national electorate is far more resilient and less tolerant to his impulsive, inflammatory bs than the Repub base is.

Remember, as the nominee, the RNC has to reluctantly wave the Trump flag till Nov and you know his impulsive ass will not be controlled or listen to what they have to say. He's his own man and will stay randomly off-script.

Its going to be a fun ride.
12982412, how much are you willing to put on your astute fox news knowledge ??
Posted by LAbeathustla, Fri Mar-04-16 09:40 AM
12982512, Dude.....
Posted by denny, Fri Mar-04-16 11:24 AM
Do you know the difference between an observation and an advocation?
12982558, it's a very dangerous game to take for granted that he could win
Posted by bentagain, Fri Mar-04-16 12:14 PM
I'm not taking bets, because I hope it doesn't come down to that

but the low voter turnout for Ds

+ the anger factor*

aren't exactly Ws for HRC

*it's hilarisad that people still don't seem to get Trump's popularity so far

it's not about policy

it's not about being a real conservative

or a true republican

people are f'n angry

HRC has enough of her own issues to continue that theme in a GE

+ as I've said before, HRC morphing into BHO 2.0 also is going to enrage some voters

base, I really think people are overlooking what could happen in a GE if those are the 2 candidates

HRC isn't inspiring anybody.

like I said, he can rinse wash and repeat the Mitt comebacks

she's a Loser

she begged me for an endorsement

I've got more money than her

etc...
12982577, RE: it's a very dangerous game to take for granted that he could win
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 12:31 PM

I don't think anyone should take anything for granted...It's going to be a battle because Trump is a fat pig...And fat pigs LOVE to play in the mud....He's going to get Clinton dirty and take her down to his level....

But even with all this^^^^I think that minority coalition of voters will come through. Gonna be a battle. But the demographics are too heavy to ignore...
12982712, The electoral college is the wild card
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 03:00 PM
It's going to come down to 4 or 5 states like FL, OH, Col, Wisc, Minn and VA.

If we don't come out in large numbers and Trump gets a shit load of new voters out it could definitely fuck up the game.

Now that's a big if... but I think there are prolly 5 or 6 states that are in play and this is where low turnout by US could hurt Hillary
12982401, Actual CNN headline: "Trump defends size of his penis"
Posted by Deebot, Fri Mar-04-16 09:22 AM
12982410, aint that some shit. i didn't believe you so i Googled it
Posted by BigJazz, Fri Mar-04-16 09:36 AM
this shit's a circus...
12982409, Trump needs over 70% of white men to win......(SWIPE)
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 09:35 AM

......in the general election. To put that in perspective, NO ONE (including Saint Ronnie) has ever gotten such a ridiculous total.......I'll say it again, the only thing folks should be worried about when it comes to a The Donald vs. Hilldawg matchup is Clinton's email issues...I know some folks think it's meaningless; and I will be the first to say that she will come out of that whole ideal fairly unscathed. But the FBI is the FBI...Doesn't matter if she's NOT the target...

But yeah...Trump needs a national Klan rally/sausage fest to beat Clinton in the general. That ain't happening folks...

---

Politico
Donald Trump Needs 7 of 10 White Guys
The changing face of America means he'll need a historic sweep. What are we in for now?


Excerpt: "And if, as it appears, Trump’s opponent in the general election is Hillary Clinton, his lane becomes even narrower. If things continue the way they’ve been going, just how much of the non-Hispanic white-guy vote would he need to win?

The math suggests Trump would need a whopping 70% of white men to vote for him. That’s more than Republicans have ever won before – more than the GOP won in the landslide victories of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and far more than they won even during the racially polarized elections of Barack Obama.

Of course, the argument often made by Trump’s followers is that he will win in November because he will bring so many disengaged Americans to the polls. But they’re talking about disengaged white voters, mostly mostly men— and unfortunately for him, the turnout rate for white men is already relatively high."


Dat Laink: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys-213699#ixzz41weA2Bg8
12982413, like i said in the beginning..aint enough cracka ass crackas in life
Posted by LAbeathustla, Fri Mar-04-16 09:41 AM
to get this fool in..latinos are gonna come out in numbers against this foolio
12982441, RE: like i said in the beginning..aint enough cracka ass crackas in life
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 10:11 AM


Another illuminating nugget...It's all about the power of the Latino voter, demonized by Trump in almost every speech....:

"The overwhelming fact about American general elections right now is that the white male voter just isn’t as powerful as he used to be. In 1980, when the electorate looked very different than it does today, Ronald Reagan cruised to an easy victory by winning 63% of white males, according to exit polls. In 1988, George H.W. Bush took 63% of that group in his rout of Michael Dukakis.

By 2004, however, winning 62% of white men barely got George W. Bush past John Kerry in a squeaker. And eight years later, Romney won 62% of white men—and lost by three and a half million votes to Barack Obama. So what happened? Between Reagan and Romney, the white male share of the total vote had dropped from 45% to 35%.

The two biggest factors: from Reagan to Romney, Hispanics’ share of the national vote soared from 2% to 10%; and women, post-feminism, jumped from casting 49% to 53% of all ballots. Winning the same percentage of white men got the party less and less. And those changes have only continued. It will get them even less this year. That’s why Trump needs to jack the number up so high."
12982455, When some dude on Politico uses the phrase "the math suggests",
Posted by stravinskian, Fri Mar-04-16 10:32 AM

never take it too seriously. I'll believe it when FiveThirtyEight or Sam Wang starts saying that kinda thing.
12982483, RE: When some dude on Politico uses the phrase "the math suggests",
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 10:42 AM

Actually, Nate has been saying the same thing...lol

He also pointed out that Trump would need to get 67 percent or above the white male vote to win this election....

Hell, u don't need to be a math savant to do the math...If we were in 1968 or the early 70s, that number would def. be possible. Unfortunately for Trump, the demographics have changed dramatically....
12982536, These pundit predictions have been wrong.
Posted by denny, Fri Mar-04-16 11:46 AM
Over and over and over again. Which isn't necessarily an indication of being wrong AGAIN in it of itself.....but at some point in time we have to start questioning the underlying presumptions of these predictions.

This new one being....all minority voters will go against Trump en masse. I remain unconvinced. And putting this in your back pocket just seems like a continuation of past projections that have been drastically inaccurate.

12982542, nah, i think Trump did a great job shitting on minorities
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 11:51 AM
and he will struggle to get past 2% of their vote. Even in the primary exit post you posted you see the Black vote is N/A because we aren't fucking with him AT ALL.

12982574, RE: These pundit predictions have been wrong.
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 12:28 PM


Forget the pundits...I'm using common sense....And on the real, it doesn't matter what us english speaking folks have to say about the matter....Turn on the Spanish speaking networks....During their news segments it's anti-Trump all the time....They are legit frightful of what a Trump Presidency would mean....



12982702, All of media has been anti-Trump.
Posted by denny, Fri Mar-04-16 02:43 PM
Even conservative outlets.

Anti-intellectuals don't watch the news or pundits. There are black and latino anti-intellectuals too. They will see a vote for Trump as sticking it to the establishment (which they view as inherently white). I know you guys are annoyed with my Rob Ford analogies but that's what happened. Minorities voted for Ford to express their disdain for the white establishment. Sounds craxy but it happnened. I linked an article explaining it.
12982707, Bruh... it's not going to happen
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 02:52 PM
he isn't going to get more than 1 or 2% of the minority vote and those folks aren't doing it to stick it to the establishment.

Those folks will vote to stick it to their own people or vote GOP strictly due to abortion (black christians).. and they vote GOP regardless of the candidate.



and gotdammit Denny, STFU about Rob Ford.
12982715, RE: All of media has been anti-Trump.
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 03:05 PM


U talking about "media"...

I'm talking about a segment of people that are in fear of a Trump presidency....Hey...don't take my word for it. Hear it from the people themselves...

----
The Guardian

Republican frontrunner projected to continue victory lap in Michigan primary but he’ll likely to face a hostile audience when he arrives for Thursday’s debate

Latinos in Detroit say prospect of a Donald Trump presidency is 'scary'
Republican frontrunner projected to continue victory lap in Michigan primary but he’ll likely to face a hostile audience when he arrives for Thursday’s debate

Inside Mexicantown Bakery in south-west Detroit, one employee has launched a mini voter registration drive with employees to boost the anyone-but-Donald-Trump support.

“She’s making sure that everybody has their voter registration so they don’t vote for him,” said supervisor Ruth Gomez. “She’s kind of doing a campaign against Donald Trump.”

That sentiment is common among residents and employees in the predominantly Latino neighborhood of Detroit known as Mexicantown. And while Trump is projected to continue his political insurgency by winning the Michigan primary next week, he is likely to face a much more hostile audience when he arrives in the majority-Democrat city for the Republican debate on Thursday.

Among those in Mexicantown, his bombastic demeanor and hardline stance on immigration are increasingly common topics of conversation.

“I know a lot of people both family and friends have made jokes like: ‘Oh, we better get ready to move back home because if he gets elected that’s where we’re going,’” said Cristina Garza, whose parents were born in Mexico. “At least from the people I know … don’t take him seriously. It’s a lot of hot air.”

Garza, 26, said she tends to see herself as a Republican.

“But now, with him, it was like, oh gosh, no, those are not the ideals that I have and I initially associated with Republican views.”

At her bake shop, Gomez often talks to her customers about Trump.

“The people I’ve been talking to, that’s not who they want to choose,” she said, pointing to the “racist way he’s talking about Hispanics”.

“They just don’t want him to have the power,” she said. “They feel like if he’s in power, we’re going to be like the Muppets in front of other countries because of the way he acts” and be a national embarrassment. The sentiment exists throughout the bakery, she said.

Raquel Castañeda-López, a Detroit city council member who represents the south-west area, said the prospect of a Trump presidency is “scary” and would be “really embarrassing” for the US.

“I would say people more than ever recognize the importance to actually get out and vote,” she said. “Because of his entertaining-style tactics, people are paying more attention to the primaries maybe more than they ever did before.”

Castañeda-López, 34, is the city’s first ever Hispanic council member. She said she has never found the Trump campaign entertaining.

“I always found him very scary and really embarrassing in a way … this is a presidential candidate,” she said. “But also, disappointed with the media because he garners more coverage than anyone else.”

The billionaire real estate developer’s over-the-top plans to curb illegal immigration and harsh rhetoric has been disseminated widely and criticized heavily by Latino Americans. In recent days, two former Mexican presidents compared Trump to Adolf Hitler, saying as president he’d likely “take the US back to the old days of conflict, war and everything”. Trump has also vowed to make Mexico pay for a “big, beautiful” wall along the US border, while pledging to deport 11 million undocumented individuals. His delayed disavowal of the Ku Klux Klan over the weekend compounded the acrimony toward Trump.

“Why are choosing to give so much coverage to this individual and allowing him to spread this message of hatred and racism?” Castañeda-López said. The nation wouldn’t allow anyone else to utter similar remarks without retribution, she added, “yet he is allowed to say those things”.

“I always found it very unsettling and never entertaining that he garnered so much attention and so many people support him,” she said.

link: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/latino-voters-detroit-donald-trump-republican-debate
12982856, i know polling and these numbers make for effective political sausage-making
Posted by rob, Fri Mar-04-16 08:02 PM
but people who care about politics shouldn't talk so much about them. people aren't their demographics, and when we generalize like this we get:

1) less interesting political debates and less creative policy

2) less participation from people because they feel like, individually, they do not count.
12982421, what the hell happened to Jeb? i just knew it was gonna be HRC vs Jeb
Posted by BigJazz, Fri Mar-04-16 09:49 AM
your father & brother had the job. you got big money behind you.

and you put up a brick.


***
I'm tryna be better off, not better than...
12982428, we elected a Black man named Barack Huessein Obama after W
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 09:58 AM
no Bush will ever win the white house for another 100 years.

remember the last scene of that W movie? Daddy Bush said W fucked up the legacy.
12982433, RE: we elected a Black man named Barack Huessein Obama after W
Posted by murph71, Fri Mar-04-16 10:05 AM
>no Bush will ever win the white house for another 100 years.
>
>
>remember the last scene of that W movie? Daddy Bush said W
>fucked up the legacy.



^^^^^^^^^^^
12982695, I almost want Trump to get the nomination and destroy the GOP in the -
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Fri Mar-04-16 02:22 PM
process.
12982848, the problem is the people that voted republican exist with or without the party
Posted by rob, Fri Mar-04-16 07:53 PM
mitt's the perfect example. even with all this shit, he's still gonna wake up and be the same guy he was in 2012. he doesn't believe the principles are wrong. he believes this one asshole is an anomaly.

when he talks about trump's failures as a businessman, he's definitely not thinking about the fact that trump is probably about as ethical as most people in his industries. when he talks about people buying trump's ridiculous rhetoric, he ignores that trump's people were HIS people.

the scariest thing to me is the "betrayal" narrative from so many republicans supporting all these different factions in the party. no one's looking in the mirror.
12983454, I think we're on the verge of the Big 2 changing like they did in the 1960s
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Mar-07-16 03:33 PM
the GOP is going to keep fading (as far as presidential contests are concerned... after Drumpf, there's no going back to Romney/Ryan style politics), possibly implode

the Democrats are going to go two ways:

"Blue Dogs"/lobbyists/sellouts (i.e. the "Debbie Pißerman-Scheiß/Hair by Dolezal" and 2016 Howard Dean wing) are gonna be the "new" GOP. neocons are gonna plant their flag there, too

the progressive wing of the Democratic party occupies its current spot.

12983458, Thing is, if Trump gets the nom and loses, the GOP won't learn anything
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Mar-07-16 03:46 PM
I'll almost guarantee they'll try to spin Trump losing in the general election as "He wasn't a true conservative" and that people rejected him because he acted like an asshole, not that his actual ideas and "policies" were repugnant.

That's why I'd rather it be Cruz. Let someone who's as far to the right as possible get hosed in the general, and maybe they'll realize they're just out of touch.

Okay, maybe they won't realize it, but it will continue their march to irrelevancy.
12983481, Yup! That's why Cruz being their last hope is so hilarious
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Mar-07-16 04:07 PM
He has a worse chance than Trump on winning a general election. He's contrary to their need to expand their voter base like they realized they needed to do after 2012. The only people who do like Cruz are the limbaugh types who are convinced guys like Romney and McCain lost because they weren't conservative enough. And if anything Trump just proved that most republican voters don't give two shits about actual conservatism.
12983492, That Bernie Sanders Ghetto Answer was pretty bad and cringeworthy
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Mar-07-16 04:30 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12983540, More Latinos Seek Citizenship to Vote Against Trump (NYT SWIPE)
Posted by murph71, Mon Mar-07-16 05:25 PM

That money quote....."Over all, naturalization applications increased by 11 percent in the 2015 fiscal year over the year before, and jumped 14 percent during the six months ending in January, according to federal figures. The pace is picking up by the week, advocates say, and they estimate applications could approach 1 million in 2016, about 200,000 more than the average in recent years."

Trump may have woken a giant that was not even sleep......


----

New York Times
More Latinos Seek Citizenship to Vote Against Trump
By JULIA PRESTONMARCH 7, 2016

A legal immigrant from Mexico, Ms. Villegas is a mother of two who has been living in the United States for nearly a decade but never felt compelled to become a citizen. But as Mr. Trump has surged toward the Republican nomination, Ms. Villegas — along with her sister, her parents and her husband’s parents — has joined a rush by many Latino immigrants to naturalize in time to vote in November.

“I want to vote so Donald Trump won’t win,” said Ms. Villegas, 32, one of several hundred legal residents, mostly Mexicans, who crowded one recent Saturday into a Denver union hall. Volunteers helped them fill out applications for citizenship, which this year are taking about five months for federal officials to approve. “He doesn’t like us,” she said.

Over all, naturalization applications increased by 11 percent in the 2015 fiscal year over the year before, and jumped 14 percent during the six months ending in January, according to federal figures. The pace is picking up by the week, advocates say, and they estimate applications could approach 1 million in 2016, about 200,000 more than the average in recent years.

While naturalizations generally rise during presidential election years, Mr. Trump provided an extra boost this year. He kicked off his campaign in June describing Mexicans as drug-traffickers and rapists. His pledge to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it has been a regular applause line. He has vowed to create a deportation force to expel the estimated 11 million immigrants here illegally, evoking mass roundups of the 1950s.

Among 8.8 million legal residents eligible to naturalize, about 2.7 million are Mexicans, the largest national group, federal figures show. But after decades of low naturalization rates, only 36 percent of eligible Mexicans have become citizens, while 68 percent of all other immigrants have done so, according to the Pew Research Center.

“A lot of people are opening their eyes because of all the negative stuff Donald Trump has brought,” said Ms. Villegas’s husband, Miguel Garfío, 30, who was born and raised in Colorado and came to the workshop here to help his wife and other family members become citizens this year. His parents came from Mexico in the 1980s and worked hard all their lives, he said, helping him create a construction company in Denver that now employs 18 people. Contrary to Mr. Trump’s depiction, he said, none of his relatives have criminal records.

This year immigrants seeking to become citizens can find extra help from nonprofit groups and even from the White House. Last September, President Obama launched a national campaign to galvanize legal residents to take the step. They can now pay the fee, $680, with a credit card, and practice the civics test online. They can get applications at “citizenship corners” in public libraries in many states.

This year immigrants seeking to become citizens can find extra help from nonprofit groups and even from the White House. Last September, President Obama launched a national campaign to galvanize legal residents to take the step. They can now pay the fee, $680, with a credit card, and practice the civics test online. They can get applications at “citizenship corners” in public libraries in many states.

The White House recruited Fernando Valenzuela, the legendary Mexican-born pitcher who naturalized only last year, and José Andrés, the Spanish-American chef, to make encouraging advertisements and to turn up at swearing-in ceremonies. On Presidents’ Day, administration officials swore in more than 20,000 new citizens. On Wednesday the administration announced $10 million in grants to groups guiding immigrants through the process.

The majority of Latinos are Democrats, and some Republicans accuse the White House of leading a thinly veiled effort to expand the ranks of the president’s party. But administration officials argue the campaign is nonpartisan, noting that immigrants who become citizens improve their incomes and chances for homeownership.

“I certainly don’t care what party they register with, I just want them to become citizens,” said Leon Rodriguez, director of United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the federal agency in charge of naturalizations.

Aside from Colorado, naturalization drives are taking place in Nevada and Florida, states likely to be fiercely contested in November where Latino voters could provide a crucial margin. One nonprofit group, the New Americans Campaign, plans to complete 1,500 applications at a session in Marlins Park baseball stadium in Miami on March 19.

Among the groups the White House is supporting are immigrant rights organizations and labor unions, which say their goal in holding dozens of citizenship workshops this spring is to build immigrant voting power. They want to boost support for legislation creating a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, which Mr. Obama has long promised but has never been able to push through Congress. Recently naturalized immigrants, after all the effort they must make, are more likely to vote than longtime citizens.

“People who are eligible are really feeling the urgency to get out there,” said Tara Raghuveer, deputy director of the National Partnership for New Americans, a coalition that helped put on the workshop in Denver. “They are worried by the prospect that someone who is running for president has said hateful things.”

Mr. Trump says he is confident his immigration plans will not hurt him among Latinos, because he has employed many thousands of them over the years in his hotels and other properties.


“They’re incredible people,” he said in the Republican debate in Houston on February 26. “I’m just telling you that I will do really well with Hispanics.”

But in a poll of Latino voters on Feb. 25 by the Washington Post and Univision, the Spanish language television network, 80 percent had an unfavorable view of Mr. Trump, including 72 percent with a very unfavorable view, far more than for other Republican candidates. In the poll, 74 percent of the voters said Mr. Trump’s views on immigration were “offensive.”

Mr. Trump’s campaign did not respond to emails requesting comment.

Many Mexicans have been content to live in the United States with their resident green cards. The naturalization fee is high and Mexicans often underestimate their English and worry they will fail the test, said Manuel Pastor, a sociology professor at the University of Southern California who studies citizenship. Many Mexicans have family members who are undocumented, and they think twice before engaging with the government, he said.

Yet many Mexicans joined a naturalization rush in 2007, when the threat of a fee increase right before the 2008 election prompted more than 1.3 million immigrants to apply. This year, no such increase looms. There is no hard deadline for immigrants hoping to vote in November, but with the citizenship agency currently approving naturalizations in about five months, immigrant groups are pressing to get applications in before May 1 to allow new citizens time to register to vote.

At the workshop in Denver, many aspiring voters agreed on why they are naturalizing this year.

“Donald Trump never! Never!” said Minerva Guerrero Salazar, 40, who works for a uniform rental company after moving here from Mexico in 2002. “He has no conscience when he speaks of Latinos. And he is so rude. I don’t know what kind of education his mother gave him.”

Several women said they hoped to be able to vote for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic front-runner.

At least one man liked a Republican. Dr. Oscar Argüello Rudín, 71, a Costa Rican who has been a resident since 1971 and recently retired as chief of surgery at a hospital in Colorado Springs, favored Gov. John Kasich of Ohio.

Mary Victorio, 22, a Mexican-born student at the University of Colorado, Denver, said she would vote Democrat but was grateful in one way to Mr. Trump. “He gave us that extra push we needed to get ready to vote, to prove to people who see us negatively they are wrong,” she said.


link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/us/trumps-rise-spurs-latino-immigrants-to-naturalize-to-vote-against-him.html

12983601, NRA trolls Bern:
Posted by stravinskian, Mon Mar-07-16 08:52 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/07/this_nra_tweet_doesnt_bode_well_for_bernie_sanders_at_all/

I almost feel bad for him this week.
12983679, Better than taking money from Donald Trump...
Posted by Mansa Musa, Tue Mar-08-16 08:52 AM
...the fossil fuel industry, Time Warner (which owns CNN), pharmaceutical companies, most of the "too-big-to-fail" banks, and prison lobbyists.

Not to mention her approval, as Secretary of State, of a 143% increase in weapons sales to Clinton Foundation donors, like Saudi Arabia, which engage in systematic human rights abuses.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/257234-clinton-brings-in-most-big-pharma-money-of-2016-field
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/hillary-clinton-bundlers-fossil-fuel-lobbyists
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/31/the_cash_donations_hillary_simply_has_no_answer_for_partner/