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12966797, I'm not black ... I'm OJ
Posted by MEAT, Mon Feb-01-16 10:13 PM
You would think out of the hundreds of lines of dialogue that'll be in this movie they could've found something else for the trailer.
12966801, Great Player,etc.. but the cat was New Black
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Mon Feb-01-16 10:21 PM
and he was cross over 101 like it was a requirement period.

Brother was deep in it. OJ was so into that when he ate his Oreo cookies he took the dark side off
and just ate the feeling.

White folks loved that dude with deepness.we loved his talents,however White folks loved him like a sleep over buddy of their kid's. he played that role up
12966804, without having seen the trailer, I say
Posted by BigJazz, Mon Feb-01-16 10:22 PM
Fuck OJ.

And i doubt me watching the trailer and eventually the movie will change that for me...
12966813, How do you feel about Cuba Gooding Jr?
Posted by MEAT, Mon Feb-01-16 10:34 PM
12966821, their is a rason why Cuba got picked for the role
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Mon Feb-01-16 10:44 PM
and alot of folks see Cuba saying what OJ said.

however Cuba despite winning an oscar, ain't OJ WOrthy. he fit the role, but his career ain't seeing no OJ
12966878, Cuba is perfecting casting.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-02-16 07:03 AM
1. Great Actor
2. He can indentify with that living in both worlds in a way OJ did.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12968223, Cuba ain't never been OJ's level
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Thu Feb-04-16 01:55 AM
CUba is a slightly better than Marginal Actor

and he ain't lived in OJ's world. just the fact most folks didn't even known Oj's name and he went by initial's or just being called the Juice.

tv, film and commericals magazines.

when has Cuba been on that level?

he won a token Oscar for a good role,but snow dog don't count.

to Portray OJ you gotta have charm, smug,Arrogant, and cool factor which OJ in public had down pat.
12966920, http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cubashirtless.gif
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-02-16 09:31 AM
Cuba is a fucking beast... a black man banned from NHL arenas for life? That is some epic trolling right there.


http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cubashirtless.gif


http://1.cdn.nhle.com/kings/images/upload/2010/01/95547342_slide.jpg

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55jkxAhk71qzypfmo1_500.jpg



12966929, wait...what da hell is going on here?
Posted by gumz, Tue Feb-02-16 09:36 AM
>Cuba is a fucking beast... a black man banned from NHL arenas
>for life? That is some epic trolling right there.
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12967005, ^^^^ this
Posted by Brew, Tue Feb-02-16 10:13 AM
Think I saw the shirt clip a while ago and assumed it was a one-off, drunk thing...apparently not ?
12967174, here ya go homey
Posted by mikediggz, Tue Feb-02-16 01:18 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/cuba-gooding--jr--goes-topless-in-chicago-after-intermission-goal--video-023703978.html
12967030, Cuba has a history of acting a fool at hockey games
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-02-16 10:27 AM
I had no idea it was like this tho...

that is epic level trolling IMO
12968619, Dude looks like a Black Mark Wahlberg here
Posted by Adwhizz, Thu Feb-04-16 06:05 PM

>>http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55jkxAhk71qzypfmo1_500.jpg
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12967609, Why did I never know about this!! LMAOOO
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-03-16 02:44 AM
12977841, he is at almost all the kings games. i saw him play once
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Feb-23-16 07:14 PM
before the outdoor game at dodger stadium, they had a media skate and media game to sort of test and prepare the ice. the skate was just a leisurely stroll, the game was kinda sorta not really competitive. he played in it and was OK. not very good with the puck but he can skate; you can tell he has played a lot.
12966863, Made me feel bad for Cuba gooding when I head that awful dialogue
Posted by Atillah Moor, Tue Feb-02-16 02:32 AM
Bill collectors must be on his ass
12966877, What you talking about? That line sums up OJ in one sentence.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-02-16 07:03 AM
>You would think out of the hundreds of lines of dialogue
>that'll be in this movie they could've found something else
>for the trailer.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12966899, shit sounded like something OJ would say.
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-02-16 08:53 AM
12967462, He is reported to have said it
Posted by Call It Anything, Tue Feb-02-16 06:01 PM
Though not in the context as it appears in the show
12966940, Right. He thought he had arrived and transcended the issues of race
Posted by Case_One, Tue Feb-02-16 09:42 AM

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12966973, Maybe in a "fuck you, I'm OJ", voice.
Posted by MEAT, Tue Feb-02-16 09:59 AM
But not a sniveling Cuba Gooding Jr voice
Even Terrance Howard couldn't managed some bass.
12967013, I'm disappointed in myself for being stoked about this series
Posted by Amritsar, Tue Feb-02-16 10:19 AM
I may or may not have my DVr set to it right now


Douche
12967025, I am absolutely stoked by this. And the 30 for 30 doc.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-02-16 10:22 AM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12967031, shiiiet...i made a post about it as soon as i saw the first preview
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-02-16 10:29 AM
still hoping for Obama to pardon OJ.

12967040, They sayting oj got cte. And they got him on a BS charge
Posted by Riot, Tue Feb-02-16 10:37 AM
Im not shedding tears for dude but Cmon whitefolks it's over, give it a rest
12967060, why the fuck is OJ still in jail?
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-02-16 11:05 AM
12967063, he was convicted of kidnapping, robbery, assault and conspiracy.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-02-16 11:09 AM
he faced a sentence of 30 yrs to life.

he was sentenced to 33 yrs - he's eligible for parole in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_robbery_case

as he was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced in a Nevada state court, POTUS cannot pardon him. only Nevada's governor can do so.
12967077, Negro got 30yrs for stealing signed footballs. And he the one that signed them
Posted by Riot, Tue Feb-02-16 11:30 AM
He tried to un-repo what they already repoed

that's what 30 years of getting gassed by white folks will do to you


and convicted on the same day he was acquitted by Cochran b4


now somebody tell me how that smells?
12967083, eh.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-02-16 11:42 AM
he was a fool for even being involved in the situation. he should've known better. he should've known that w/his having been acquitted in the murder trial he would be LAUNCHED in court if he were ever charged w/any other crime. and he would catch no breaks from police if he were even accused of being part of some wrongdoing.

he shouldn't have been involved in that shit whatsoever.

based on what i know of the case i blame no one but him for him being imprisoned.
12967078, Hope and Change!!!
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-02-16 11:31 AM
12967449, This is going to be great!!!!!
Posted by TR808, Tue Feb-02-16 05:37 PM
I was reading about this and Cuba said that for every page of script they made him do the lines 3 different ways....

They first made him do the lines real cocky and sinister. Then they would have him do the lines real meek and humble...

Then they would have him do the same lines really bland... so he says he is going to be watching it to see how they cut it... pretty cool stuff...


Yeah that Im not black I'm OJ line is something I heard he actually said. You have to remember when he was big he was BIG and he could go anywhere and do anything... he was the michael Jordan of the time...
12967468, RE: This is going to be great!!!!!
Posted by Call It Anything, Tue Feb-02-16 06:07 PM
>I was reading about this and Cuba said that for every page of
>script they made him do the lines 3 different ways....
>
>They first made him do the lines real cocky and sinister.
>Then they would have him do the lines real meek and humble...
>
>Then they would have him do the same lines really bland... so
>he says he is going to be watching it to see how they cut
>it... pretty cool stuff...

Just some of the key lines, like when he's telling Bob Shapiro that he didn't murder his wife.

They really went in on some of details for this series. They filmed on Bundy Drive for the crime scene aftermath of Nicole's murder. They actually rented out the old Kardashian house in Encino for the scenes when he was on the lam. Even little stuff like having a reporter shaving in the mirror of his news van when OJ rolled up to Rockingham because it's on some old news footage.

At the same time though, it's Ryan Murphy so there's a little bit of extra trashiness and scandal like a cut away to the Kardashian girls watching TV at their house.
12967463, Are there any good reads on the OJ trial?
Posted by A Sizzle, Tue Feb-02-16 06:03 PM
I was very young when everything happened and I only know the bare minimum about the trial
12967671, RE: Are there any good reads on the OJ trial?
Posted by rambunctious, Wed Feb-03-16 09:21 AM
Evidence Against OJ:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/index/nns25.htm

OJ Simpson Suicide Note:
http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/suspect/note/index.html

Timeline from Crime to Verdict:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/index/nns053.htm

Context for the case:
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1995/02/dunne199502

Honestly, there really isn't one news article that captured the whole thing. Your best bet is to watch the OJ Simpson case docs on youtube. They are more thorough.
12967683, I just bought Jeffrey Toobin's book. I am getting ready for the arguments.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-03-16 09:29 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679441700?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12968592, the premise of that book seems like it's on some bullshit.
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Feb-04-16 05:23 PM
12967571, Starting now
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Tue Feb-02-16 10:01 PM
12967575, Strike one - blood in/on the Bronco and at the house when the cops arrived.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-02-16 10:18 PM
I dunno that I believe any of that was true. The movie presented it as though it were.

This feels like a hit piece. I dunno that I'm in.
12967576, lol Ross
Posted by rdhull, Tue Feb-02-16 10:21 PM
12967580, Strike 2
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-02-16 10:36 PM
The portrayal of Darden as a reluctant/newbie prosecutor. The man had several years experience by then, AFAIK.

This is going to be more favorable to the prosecution than I want to be bothered with. I can tell that's going to be the point - to convince us of OJ's guilt despite the evidence presented at trial. Oh - and OJ is up for parole next year, btw.

One more strike and I'm out.
12967581, You're a better man than me tonight
Posted by MEAT, Tue Feb-02-16 10:40 PM
I saw Cuba Gooding Jr and never checked in.
12967584, Fuck Chris Darden. Fuck Marcia Clark
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Feb-02-16 11:01 PM
Don't know anything about them. But Goodie MOB said, so I'm gonna ride with them
12967607, You know it's not a doc right?
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Feb-03-16 02:27 AM
NWA wasn't close to getting back together either.

Just makes the shit a better story.
12967618, Wait, this aint a doc?
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Feb-03-16 05:24 AM
Lmao
12967632, yes, i know.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-03-16 07:19 AM
and it's Ryan Murphy - the guy who made American Horror Story. and Glee. and Scream Queens.

so i know what i'm in for.

i dunno that i wanna go there w/him though b/c of the nature of the story.

plus the thing is being billed and promoted as something it ain't. the promo doesn't say 'this is going to be a trashy/ridiculous take on the story that will play fast and loose w/the facts but mostly from the prosecution's perspective so as to paint OJ and 'the truth' in a certain way that will convince the audience of OJ's guilt once and for all!' so if i continue watching i'll need to adjust my expectation. after the first ep i suspect Murphy's point here is in part to entertain, of course, but maybe also to teach us silly niggers who believe in OJ's innocence that that man is a killer negro who got away w/killing one of the last great trashy divas thanks to the work of his shady lawyers and some sloppy cops and over-bearing prosecutors. and maybe we should re-examine why we're so happy about him having gotten away w/it.

but this is all after one episode. i could be totally off in the woods on all of this.
12967889, Okay, so I just texted my buddy the TV critic, who has seen all of it.
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Feb-03-16 01:50 PM
And I asked him if the worldview of the show is this (leaving out the n-words of course):

>to teach us
>silly niggers who believe in OJ's innocence that that man is a
>killer negro who got away w/killing one of the last great
>trashy divas thanks to the work of his shady lawyers and some
>sloppy cops and over-bearing prosecutors. and maybe we should
>re-examine why we're so happy about him having gotten away
>w/it.

He said: "That's not how I'd interpret it." He did add that while the show does lean towards "OJ did it", he said after a while the point of the show becomes "Johnnie Cochran is awesome."

He also said that the week-long ESPN documentary that's going to air later this year has lots of nuance.
12967908, Okay
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-03-16 02:07 PM
12967657, SMH.
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-03-16 08:55 AM
>The portrayal of Darden as a reluctant/newbie prosecutor. The
>man had several years experience by then, AFAIK.
>
>This is going to be more favorable to the prosecution than I
>want to be bothered with. I can tell that's going to be the
>point - to convince us of OJ's guilt despite the evidence
>presented at trial. Oh - and OJ is up for parole next year,
>btw.

you're absolutely right.

I know this show is being played for "laughs" (kind of), and biopic-ish works don't always deal in the factual, but that's pretty bad.

I remember reading something about Darden, an interview and how at first he was conflicted about even taking the case because of how he felt about OJ (the athlete) personally. he didn't know the other stuff. so the reluctant part might be right.

but he wasn't a newbie. Neither was Marcia Clark. really, IIRC the cast of lawyers in this story weren't newbies at all.
12967669, RE: SMH.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-03-16 09:17 AM
>I remember reading something about Darden, an interview and
>how at first he was conflicted about even taking the case
>because of how he felt about OJ (the athlete) personally. he
>didn't know the other stuff. so the reluctant part might be
>right.

ah...okay. that could be the source of his reluctance. it wasn't shown that way last night though.

>but he wasn't a newbie. Neither was Marcia Clark. really, IIRC
>the cast of lawyers in this story weren't newbies at all.
>
12967703, and I didn't even think of the impact of painting Darden as a newbie
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-03-16 10:03 AM
esp. in regards to this case...
12977666, I didn't think they painted him as a newbie
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Feb-23-16 01:54 PM
his conversation with cochran seemed to imply that he'd been there for a while

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12967677, OJ did it.
Posted by rambunctious, Wed Feb-03-16 09:25 AM
I have little doubt.

He was beating the shit out of Nicole. He was stalking her. I mean the man wrote a book called "If I did it" that detailed how he "would've" killed her. OJ was bold. After being acquitted, he said "I'm gonna go find the real killers."

I think he was seething and snapped that night.
12967678, How did he dispose of the blood evidence?
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-03-16 09:27 AM
12967691, i have no certainty but I have a guess...
Posted by rambunctious, Wed Feb-03-16 09:41 AM
I know that sometimes when people "snap" and kill someone they blank out or report having an out of body experience. I think that may be what happened to him. When he "came to," he was still at the crime scene and had to think fast. Think fast to get out of there and back home cause he knew had a driver coming to take him to the airport.

So, in haste, in confusion, and in adrenaline, he took off his clothes at the crime scene. he may have had a bag or something else in he car to wrap the clothes in to minimize a trail of blood. got home and did all that traversing across court yards, tennis courts, and his back yard to get in the house. in his hurried pace, i bet when he bumped into the a/c at kato's guest house that's when he dropped the glove.
he has a small window of time. so, giving more than cursory check to see if he dropped anything was not doable.

that glove at Nicole's house: I bet it fell/slid off while fighting Goldman or he dropped while trying to get away.

even though i very much believe he did, i still think it's possible that the LAPD planted evidence to make the case stronger. But whether or not they planted evidence doesn't, in this case, negate my thinking that OJ committed double murder.
12967727, why not more blood in the bronco?
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-03-16 10:54 AM
Where's the blood on the steering wheel? Gear shift? Inside door handle?
12967743, yeah this is where i'm at with it
Posted by teefiveten, Wed Feb-03-16 11:15 AM
it always seems like blood is really hard to get rid of, no matter how much you clean up

and if you just 'snapped', how can you snap and still be meticulous in removing something so difficult to remove?
12967759, blood is hard to get rid of but
Posted by rambunctious, Wed Feb-03-16 11:28 AM
i think he must've put the clothes in a bag or wrapped it in something. i can see the droplets and smears coming from his cut finger and specks that he didn't notice on his body.

Re: cut finger. I can see him getting his finger cut on the knife after the glove fell off during the struggle with Goldman or once he was removing his clothes and stuffing the clothes and knife into a bag.

aside from the blood drops, that bloody footprint was his. there were only 200-300 bruno magli shoes in a size 12 in the US. there was a photo of him wearing the shoe. the long history of domestic violence and him not seeing the big deal about beating up on Nicole. his jealousy about Nicole. also, his alibi changes. plus, he had one bag that he told the limo driver to not handle.

it's too much.
12967765, sorry man but you haven't put enough thought into this
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-03-16 11:35 AM
for example

"plus, he had one bag that he told the limo driver to not handle."

Couldn't his son's bloody clothes have been in the bag?

"people "snap" and kill someone"

again OJ's son had a history of doing just that and was on medication for such.

In January 1994, six months before the killings, Jason went to the emergency room because he heard voices of people who weren't there and said he felt as if he was "going to rage" because he ran out of Depakote. He stopped taking Depakote two months before the murders.
12967776, when the Bronco pulled up at the house OJ's son was on the lawn wildin
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Feb-03-16 11:44 AM
12967794, ^ exactly
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-03-16 12:00 PM
12967766, 1. where are the bloody clothes?
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-03-16 11:36 AM
2. okay, he changed clothes. at the crime scene? where?

3. even if he changed clothes at the crime scene - he would've still been covered in blood at least from his neck down to his knees. likely SOAKED in it (Nicole was 'nearly decapitated', remember. and Goldman was also sliced up - the theory is that he killed each of them at very close range w/a knife). so there'd be blood on his hands and arms too.

3a. if he wiped his hands - where are the bloody towels?

4. w/so much blood on his hands and arms there'd be more blood inside the Bronco. everything he touched in that Bronco as he drove from the murder scene to his house would have blood on it. so - the outside door handle, the inside door handle, the ignition, the gear shift, the inside console, the arm rests. if he used the radio - that's got blood on it. if he used the A/C (it was June and he was mad enough to kill - so he's probably HOT) that's got blood on it. maybe the rearview mirror too if he touched that.

5. there'd also be more blood at his house - on the security door keypad outside the house, on the outside doorknob, on doorknobs inside the house too. i think they found some blood in his bathroom - but not enough to explain how it got there considering how much blood would've been on his body and the lack of blood between the murder scene, the bronco and his bathroom.

6. per the state's timeline - OJ had a tight window in which to remove and dispose of all of this blood evidence. how did he have time to do all of that so meticulously (while still so enraged he could kill) and still catch that flight to Chicago?

6a. if he had help - who helped him?

7. keep in mind, the police had access to OJ's house for hours before he returned home from Chicago. and he left his house in a hurry. i don't recall hearing/reading that his house was a mess as if he'd been in and out cleaning/hiding/disposing of __ and then running out to catch a flight. also, if he'd left any of this stuff at his house the cops would've found it.

8. why was he behind Kato's little hut to drop the glove?

...the State had the burden to prove the case. they have to answer these questions and more. their theory must account for this stuff. if you're saying he's guilty then you must have some theory that accounts for all of this and more. it can't just be 'he beat her and he stalked her so he's guilty'. if he's guilty - prove it. <-- the State of California couldn't. can you?

12978206, ^^^
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Feb-24-16 01:27 PM
12978414, Pretty much. That case has massive massive holes in it
Posted by kayru99, Wed Feb-24-16 05:12 PM
and that's before you get to the preservative in the blood samples, and the shady cops.
12978417, i agree.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-24-16 05:14 PM
>and that's before you get to the preservative in the blood
>samples, and the shady cops.
12967763, OJ's book is very likely a Red Herring
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-03-16 11:34 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/oj-simpson-murders-and-jason-simpson-2014-6?op=1

To me it is far more plausible his son Jason is the killer

The murders took place between 9:45 and 10:05 p.m. Jason was by himself after approximately 9:50 p.m. and "has no alibi that can be supported by anyone else as to where he was while the killings occurred."

Jason's time card for the night of the murders was handwritten, even though the electronic time clock was working.

In his past, Jason had nearly killed a girlfriend (with a knife) and almost seriously injured another in fits of rage (whereas O.J. has been accused of domestic abuse, but he has never been arrested for assault and was not prone to use weapons to settle a dispute).

At the time of the murders, 24-year-old Jason was on probation for assault with a deadly weapon for attacking his boss with a kitchen knife.

...Jason was trained in hand-to-hand combat as well as field knife training while attending the Army and Navy Academy, whereas O.J. hates the sight of blood.

The LAPD found 15 separate unidentified fingerprints at the crime scene. None belonged to O.J., and police never compared Jason's fingerprints)
12967777, OJ had no alibi either and no one, except OJ, can account
Posted by rambunctious, Wed Feb-03-16 11:44 AM
for his whereabouts at that time.

*This is key* OJ had a history of conducting violence against one of the victims, which was his wife. Jason does not.

I heard about the handwritten vs. electronic time card. I don't get the implied meaning from it.

That "OJ"= hates the sight of blood" has no relevance. Momentary rage can easily overtake a blood phobia. Also, he was giving Nicole a bloody face, despite his fear of blood.

I don't know about the unidentified fingerprints. Were they unidentified cause they were partials or unable to be identified for other reasons?

To me, the OJ Simpson case is not that complex or unique. It fits the pattern of a lot of domestic violence situations that ends up in murder.

It is not plausible to me that his son did. OJ owned a rare pair of shoes and a bloody footprint from that show was at the scene. It's just...yeah OJ brutally killed those two people.
12967793, He was helping cover up the evidence of his son's actions
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-03-16 11:59 AM
No one is saying OJ is not complicit he is simply not the killer.

>*This is key* OJ had a history of conducting violence against
>one of the victims, which was his wife. Jason does not.

Jason has a history of violence against women period and using knives. How is that not key? How is it not key that the blood and skin found under Nicole's nails are not OJ's and he had no marks on his body after a voluntary strip search?

In his past, Jason had nearly killed a girlfriend (with a knife) and almost seriously injured another in fits of rage (whereas O.J. has been accused of domestic abuse, but he has never been arrested for assault and was not prone to use weapons to settle a dispute).


>I heard about the handwritten vs. electronic time card. I
>don't get the implied meaning from it.

Why would you hand write your time card when the machine works just fine? One reason is to write a different time other than what the clock would stamp. If arriving late to work or not all isn't an issue having a machine stamp your card shouldn't matter.

Jason worked at the Restaurant Nicole was to eat at that evening, but they ended up elsewhere.

>That "OJ"= hates the sight of blood" has no relevance.
>Momentary rage can easily overtake a blood phobia. Also, he
>was giving Nicole a bloody face, despite his fear of blood.

No relevance even though he nearly decapitated someone and then as stated meticulously cleaned off all the blood? You do know police can find blood after it's been washed up right? Do you not believe they didn't do such an analysis of anything OJ touched?

>I don't know about the unidentified fingerprints. Were they
>unidentified cause they were partials or unable to be
>identified for other reasons?

Unidentified because they don't know whose they are. Again:
15 separate unidentified fingerprints. Do you really think 15 partial fingerprints is worth writing about?

>To me, the OJ Simpson case is not that complex or unique. It
>fits the pattern of a lot of domestic violence situations that
>ends up in murder.

You should check that link. Far more evidence supports it was Jason and not OJ. It's as non complex as you state.
>
>It is not plausible to me that his son did. OJ owned a rare
>pair of shoes and a bloody footprint from that show was at the
>scene. It's just...yeah OJ brutally killed those two people.

Yes of course he was at the scene to help get his kid out of trouble

Somehow you missed the fact that Jason has a history using knives to threaten people, but if you want to believe it's OJ go for it.
12968431, there is no way a man kills 2 people
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-04-16 12:47 PM
has all that blood and had to fight to kill the second guy and he has no blood or DNA evidence on him.

12967780, IMO, OJ-post trial has been nothing but a troll
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-03-16 11:46 AM
or perhaps, more accurately: a dumb ass.

he showed up in public places, basically trying to "Sarah Palin" his way into attention/money, hence that book.

since I think because of the civil case, he may have lost a good deal of his assets

that's part of the reason why I don't blame anyone but him for getting BACK into jail, but clearly the criminal justice system gave him the high end of a sentence for a comparatively petty crime because... he's OJ

the only thing I ever need to see about the OJ Trial ever is this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0396771/

12967860, Yep, I heard he didn't even write the book, just signed off on it
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-03-16 01:12 PM
12978482, This Jason Simpson shit is by far the best alternative theory
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-24-16 07:37 PM
out there. It accounts for the knife stuff, and maybe even the DNA evidence. I bet in 2016 the DNA analysis could be much more exact.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12968224, no he didn't, time line never addded up
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Thu Feb-04-16 01:59 AM
and juice didn't have a mark on his body at all,his past worked against him ore than anything else.
12977903, AC did it for OJ.
Posted by Castro, Tue Feb-23-16 10:45 PM
12967802, We know where OJ is, but his son Jason's whereabouts are unknown
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-03-16 12:13 PM
12968426, Where can I watch it online? The FX site is trippin haaard
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Feb-04-16 12:41 PM
12968583, icefilms.info
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Feb-04-16 05:04 PM
12968529, Ok so QUESTION...
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Feb-04-16 03:25 PM
So at first, I was pissed that they showed Fuhrman n the detectives (or officers?) who went straight to OJ's house and found hella evidence...basically felt like the show is saying "yeah, he did it, look at this." But then I thought about it...I might see what they're doing. Fuhrman was almost too excited to go to OJ's house, on some "I know where he lives!" and they show him finding all the evidence first...so maybe later on, they revisit this when they question him on if he is the one who planted the evidence?

Is that basically what they're setting it up for?
12968570, i think you're right.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-04-16 04:42 PM
i was all pissed about that and about them showing blood on the Bronco...b/c it's as if they're giving credence to the prosecution's theory. but based on a friend of an OKP's viewing of the full series they may be setting us up w/all of that as you suspect.

12968611, Ahhhh! Ok...it didn't hit me until I was basically calling the whole thing
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Feb-04-16 05:52 PM
out for being biased from the jump. And when I was explaining that part, it hit me that Mark Fuhrman was just TOO hype to go to OJ's house, and I felt like that wasn't even protocol...especially going to look for evidence. So I said yeah, maybe it's just playing out this way for entertainment purposes.
12974443, But these are facts from the case. The showrunner isn't making
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-16-16 07:57 AM
them up.



>i was all pissed about that and about them showing blood on
>the Bronco...b/c it's as if they're giving credence to the
>prosecution's theory. but based on a friend of an OKP's
>viewing of the full series they may be setting us up w/all of
>that as you suspect.
>
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12968582, OJ Polygraph question
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Feb-04-16 05:02 PM
Was this a known thing, or just speculation on the writers part?

Shapiro, and Kardashian (or the polygraph guy) wouldn't be allowed to talk about it right? I doubt OJ has brought it up.

12968589, OJ flunked lie detector (c) Robert Kardashian, 1996 (link)
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-04-16 05:14 PM
http://articles.philly.com/1996-10-11/news/25664306_1_simpson-friend-robert-kardashian-cowlings-nicole-brown-simpson
12968630, Waaaaait so what all happened, how did they end up beefing??!!??
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Feb-04-16 06:40 PM
And at this point, Rob coulda said ANYTHING bad about him because it sounds like they weren't on the same side at all
12968631, Here's a Huff post article detailing their history:
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Feb-04-16 06:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-kardashian-oj-simpson-trial_us_56b22258e4b01d80b244a761
12968635, I dunno.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-04-16 06:51 PM
It seems they weren't all that close by the time of the murders. He was on the team for show.

Him turning on his former friend and client by giving interviews casting doubt on OJ's innocence is bullshit though.
12968590, i dunno why the lawyers had him tested.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-04-16 05:16 PM
i would not EVER do that shit. EVER.

for what???

i also wouldn't have asked the client if he's guilty just after we'd met. if i'm going to ask i'd ask way deep into the relationship after we'd established some trust. i wouldn't ask on the first day. i might not ever ask b/c it really wouldn't matter for my representation or the defense i'd offer in court. i've represented several clients and never asked them if they did it. b/c i didn't care.
12968602, Maybe that's Shapiro's thing?
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Feb-04-16 05:37 PM
Cochran (at least on the show) was talking about how Shaprio's only really good at plea deals, and lighter sentences, so maybe to establish where he would set his goal?
12968606, the fact that he was talking about a plea b4 homie was in custody...
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-04-16 05:43 PM
i was like 'WHAT IN THE HOLY FUCK PART OF THE GAME IS THAT????'

talking about a plea before even having a hint of the state's evidence?

naw, man. naw.

and on a double murder? the state is NOT going to offer any plea deal. w/o a deal offered the defendant has 0 incentive to plead guilty - unless maybe they agree to take the death penalty off the table. and in a high profile case like that it wasn't going to happen.

so it makes sense that Shapiro was out of his depth. or maybe i just don't have enough experience w/these cases to know. i've only worked on a couple of murders and that's not how it went down in those cases. we weren't talking about a plea before the client had even been formally charged.

but this is only based on true events and isn't necessarily accurate. i hope. lol
12968591, I found an NY Times article where Bailey testified about it
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Feb-04-16 05:20 PM
(he was in court because his license to practice law was being challenged).

He said that Shaprio called him while OJ Simpson was taking the test. (Bailey was considered an expert on polygraphs tests). Shapiro was worried that the test wasn't going well, and Bailey told Shapiro to stop the test, because it was an "emotional time" for OJ.

It doesn't appear that actual evidence of the test has never been found. Bailey said Shapiro took the results, and subsequently said he didn't have them anymore. The Goldman's alleged the "failed" test happened, but no one has any proof.

FWIW, Vanity Fair says the "OJ failed the lie detector test" story is true, but don't really cite any sources.

Anywho, here's the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/05/us/bailey-says-he-halted-polygraph-test-of-simpson.html
12968593, Thanks, y'all n/m
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Feb-04-16 05:25 PM
12968616, DO NOT KILL YOURSELF IN KIMMY'S ROOM
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Feb-04-16 05:56 PM
12968647, I promise they name drop Kim/Kourtney/Chloe SOLELY because they
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Feb-04-16 07:22 PM
are "relevant" and famous right now. They mention them all, and don't even say OJ's kids names LOL.
12968649, I can buy it if the idea is that the Kardashians as we know them...
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Feb-04-16 07:25 PM
...were born out of all this shit.
12977578, it still feels forced...
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-23-16 12:26 PM
every episode has them shouting out their names and shit.
12974529, But it happened though
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-16-16 10:54 AM
Read the last line of this.

http://articles.philly.com/1996-10-11/news/25664306_1_simpson-friend-robert-kardashian-cowlings-nicole-brown-simpson


The show really hasn't deviated from the major facts of the case.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977799, That's one line, I'm talking about how the kids are legit characters
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Feb-23-16 05:29 PM
in there. Robbie is hilarious, I like him on it. But still, if they hadn't become famous, I guarantee they wouldn't get so much time on screen.
12977668, I think the show would be better served
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Feb-23-16 01:56 PM
if it interspersed clips from the real people.

cuz that's a thing that actually happened.

there was a documentary on lifetime that was practically all interview clips and recordings, and it's actually surprising how much stuff in the show is lifted from direct quotes during the trial, or at least things people talked about afterwards.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12974444, I don't understand how folks are getting made with the show.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-16-16 07:59 AM
The show is based on Jeffrey Toobin's book on the case and the facts in the show are the facts from the case (I will assume all the dialogue is made up).

I just started the book this week, Toobin seems pretty convinced that OJ did it.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977673, as I posted above, it's actually shocking how much dialogue isn't made up
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Feb-23-16 02:01 PM
but it's so hard to tell where the line is that you end up skeptical about everything

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12977676, If I can't be mad at non stop CGJr commercials, then what can I be mad for?
Posted by MEAT, Tue Feb-23-16 02:06 PM
12977573, Just finished the Toobin book this show is based on....OJ Did that shit.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 12:22 PM
When I get a moment I will scan the couple of pages that sum up the case against OJ and the LAPD to see if y'all can poke holes in it.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977575, cool avi bro
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-23-16 12:24 PM
12977609, ^^^Mr. "If White People Hate It, I Love It." SMH.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 12:48 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977617, ^^^mad after the OJ verdict was read^^^
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-23-16 12:55 PM
lol
12977642, I don't think I followed it that much at the time.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 01:23 PM
I do remember the white folks wailing like it was 9/11.

I read the book just because I don't remember much about it from the time so it was mostly all new to me.

Them Furman tapes though.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977644, I was in Richmond, it was my birthday
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-23-16 01:28 PM
best gift EVER!!!

whole city partied like we won reparations
12977646, LOL. for what?
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 01:29 PM
>When I get a moment I will scan the couple of pages that sum
>up the case against OJ and the LAPD to see if y'all can poke
>holes in it.

OJ's defense team spent several months and i dunno how many thousands/millions of $ 'poking holes' in the LAPD case. why would you expect any of us to be able to do so w/o those resources, time or knowledge?

i mean, hell, let's see if we can build a space shuttle too. just for fun! or let's go cook up the polio vaccine using a recipe we can find online. just for fun!

LOL

wth?
12977649, Buddy wants justice
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Feb-23-16 01:31 PM
12977653, there was Justice in that outcome.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 01:37 PM
The LAPD got exposed as the racist org it is in a way that never occurred int he Rodney King verdict.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977900, LOFL
Posted by astralblak, Tue Feb-23-16 10:43 PM
.
12977697, Like folks haven't spent the last 20 years sharing their own theories of the
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 02:54 PM
case (like folks are doing in this very post).

Also, I am not talking about presenting the prosecution/LAPD case. I am talking about a summation of an independent third party's assessment of the facts of the case. Maybe you don't fuzz with Toobin, but I think dude is an even hand reporter without a dog in the race. Here is his take on what was presented in court:


As to the central facts ,In the case, it is my view that Simpson murdered his ex-wife and her friend on June 12. Any rational analysis of the events and evidence in question leads to that conclusion. This is true whether one considers evidence not presented to the jury such as the results of Simpson's polygraph examination and his flight with AJ Cowlings on June 17—or just the evidence established in court. Notwithstanding the prosecution's many errors, the evidence against Simpson at the trial was overwhelming. Simpson had a violent relationship with his ex-wife, and tensions between them were growing in the weeks leading up to murders. Simpson had no alibi for the time of the murders nor was his Bronco parked at his home during that time. Simpson had a cut on his left hand on the day after the murders, and DNA tests showed conclusively that it was Simpson's blood to the left of the shoe prints leaving the scene. Nicole's blood was found on a sock in his bedroom, and Goldman's blood-as well as Simpson's - was found in the Bronco. Hair consistent with Simpson's was found on the killer’s cap and on Goldman’s shirt. The gloves that Nicole bought for Simpson in 1990 were almost certainly the ones used by her killer.

It is theoretically possible, of course, that Simpson killed the two victims and that the police also planted evidence against him,- that he was guilty and framed. But I am convinced that did that did not happen, and that it could not have happened. In their summations Cochran and Scheck suggested that the police, in their effort to frame Simpson, planted at least the following items: (I) Simpsons blood on the rear gate at Bundy, (2) Goldman's blood in Simpson’s Bronco (3) Nicole's blood on the sock found in his bedroom; (4) Simpson’s blood on the same sock; and (5) the infamous glove at Rockingham, which had, as Clark put in her summation, “all of the evidence on it: Ron Goldman’s fibers from his shirt; Ron Goldman’s blood; Nicoles blood; and the Bronco fiber” The defense never spelled out how all the is nefarious activity took place, but pulling it off would have required more or less the following. The core of the defense case was, of course, that Fuhrman surreptitiously took that glove from the murder scene to the defendant's home. Not only would he have had to transport the glove with its residue of the crime scene, but he would also have had to find some of Simpson's blood (from sources unknown) to deposit upon it and then wipe the glove on the inside of Simpson's locked car (by means unknown)—all the while not knowing whether Simpson had an ironclad alibi for the time of the murders. To me, this possibility is simply not believable, even taking into consideration Fuhrman's repugnant racial views.

The other police conspirators (conspicuously unnamed by the defense) would have had to be equally adept and even more determined. Many of the police officers at the crime scene noticed the blood on the back gate at Bundy; someone would have had to wipe that off and apply Simpson's. The autopsies, where blood samples were taken from the victims, were not performed until June 14, more than a full day after the murders. Someone would have had to take some of Goldman's blood and put it in the Bronco, which was then in police custody. And someone (the same person? another?) would have had to take some of Nicole's blood and dab it on the sock, which was then in a police evidence lab. (When Vannatter took his notorious trip to Brentwood with the blood vial, he only had Simpson's sample, not Nicole's, with him.) All of these illegal actions by the police would have had to take place at a time when everyone involved in the case was under the most relentless media scrutiny in American legal history—and all for the benefit of an unknown killer who, like only 9 percent of the population, happened to share Simpson's shoe size, twelve.




>>When I get a moment I will scan the couple of pages that
>sum
>>up the case against OJ and the LAPD to see if y'all can poke
>>holes in it.
>
>OJ's defense team spent several months and i dunno how many
>thousands/millions of $ 'poking holes' in the LAPD case. why
>would you expect any of us to be able to do so w/o those
>resources, time or knowledge?
>
>i mean, hell, let's see if we can build a space shuttle too.
>just for fun! or let's go cook up the polio vaccine using a
>recipe we can find online. just for fun!
>
>LOL
>
>wth?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977705, ok.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 03:00 PM
12977806, naw.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 05:42 PM
i haven't read and won't read Toobin's book.

i have never found the blood evidence compelling in part b/c there just wasn't ENOUGH of it. if OJ did what the prosecution claimed he would've had to have worked FAST. he'd have been covered in blood. there'd be MORE blood all over the Bronco and all over his house. how did he have time to clean all of it such that only those traces remained?

that never made sense to me. which is why it was and is easy for me to accept that someone planted that blood evidence. i dunno who and don't care who. at trial, of course, the defense didn't have to prove WHO planted the evidence - they just raised the suspicion and that was enough for a not guilty verdict, clearly. it created enough reasonable doubt.

this is why i remain unconvinced of OJ's actual guilt - b/c i haven't seen evidence that persuades me.
12977812, does his book address a murder weapon or the clothing the killer wore?
Posted by now or never, Tue Feb-23-16 05:53 PM
i.e. if OJ did it, is there any assertion by toobin of what happened to the clothes he was wearing when he committed the bloody killing (the time frame already being small, does he suggest how OJ might have also found time to get rid of the clothes?)
or the weapon/s he used?
or the logistics behind how he would kill two people in cold blood with only so much as a scratch on his finger in the struggle?

these are the questions my mama asked me when i told her i thought OJ did it.

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12977814, especially since if OJ did it he was probably heated
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 05:57 PM
so how did he remain cool enough to dispose of so much bloody evidence in a way that no one found it even after the several weeks of exhaustive searches by law enforcement professionals in both California AND Illinois?

12977840, The book doesn't really speculate about what happened.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 07:14 PM
It really takes a lawyers approach and focuses on the strength and weaknesses of the evidence presented by the prosecution and the defense.

What the book does talk about how there was evidence presented about a black bag that OJ insisted on carrying while he let the limo driver deal with his other luggage. A black bag that was unaccounted for in the evidence that was collected and could have possibly been disposed of at hte airport (I remember reading something about a large trash can that OJ was seen next to at the airport that could have possibly been used to throw away the bag).

At any rate I never would consider finding a murder weapon or bloody clothes that important because I don't think it would be that hard to dispose of a knife or bloody clothes. It would be days before anyone was looking for such stuff and he could easily dispose of it at any trash bin on the street anywhere and we would never see it again.

Also it isn't that hard to imagine how he could kill two people. He is an athlete who had a weapon. He first killed Nicole. When Ron wondered on the scene he killed him.





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977852, funny thing, the JURY did this too:
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 07:34 PM
>focuses on the
>strength and weaknesses of the evidence presented by the
>prosecution and the defense.

...and they acquitted him.

12978209, fam, you're contradicting yourself and I really don't want to get into a
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-24-16 01:32 PM
long dragged out back and forth IRT OJ

I just wonder if you can see it

"a black bag that OJ insisted on carrying while he let the limo driver deal with his other luggage. A black bag that was unaccounted for in the evidence that was collected and could have possibly been disposed of at hte airport (I remember reading something about a large trash can that OJ was seen next to at the airport that could have possibly been used to throw away the bag)."

^^^ this is damn near exactly what I'm saying in my latepass reply below

and as Johnny Cochran said...I'm OJ in a hat...

that is, OJ at LAX will be a spectacle on a normal day

and you're posting hearsay (sowhat clarify please) that would allude to what I'm suggesting

people should have saw him, and been able to testify about his actions, at most, an hour after committing a double murder

LOL@you thinking OJ dumps a bag in a trash can at LAX and nobody goes after it

f'n papparazzi would do that ON A NORMAL DAY.

his whereabouts after the murders are accounted for, yes?

you really think he disposes of this bag, and nobody can track it down...really?

i.e. OJ does not have the power of invisibility.

"At any rate I never would consider finding a murder weapon or bloody clothes that important because I don't think it would be that hard to dispose of a knife or bloody clothes. It would be days before anyone was looking for such stuff and he could easily dispose of it at any trash bin on the street anywhere and we would never see it again."

I believe I read in your reply arguing against being able to plant evidence that the police were in his house within 24 hours after the murders while he was in CHI...?

along with the clothes, knife, etc...he himself would have been covered in blood

add that to the timeline...showering and bleaching his house...unless you would like to pontificate about another scenario that he removed blood from himself before going to LAX with a black bag full of evidence and no visible signs on his person, etc...

"Also it isn't that hard to imagine how he could kill two people. He is an athlete who had a weapon. He first killed Nicole. When Ron wondered on the scene he killed him."

right...imagine...doing alladat, and then being on a flight within an hour...and all you got is what's in reply 103?

= reasonable doubt, IMO.
12978338, I am not really even following you at this point mayne.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-24-16 03:52 PM
>long dragged out back and forth IRT OJ
>
>I just wonder if you can see it
>
>"a black bag that OJ insisted on carrying while he let the
>limo driver deal with his other luggage. A black bag that was
>unaccounted for in the evidence that was collected and could
>have possibly been disposed of at hte airport (I remember
>reading something about a large trash can that OJ was seen
>next to at the airport that could have possibly been used to
>throw away the bag)."
>
>^^^ this is damn near exactly what I'm saying in my latepass
>reply below
>
>and as Johnny Cochran said...I'm OJ in a hat...
>
>that is, OJ at LAX will be a spectacle on a normal day
>
>and you're posting hearsay (sowhat clarify please) that would
>allude to what I'm suggesting
>
>people should have saw him, and been able to testify about his
>actions, at most, an hour after committing a double murder


I don't even get what you are arguing at this point. That OJ didn't take that flight that no one disputes he took?

I don't think people testified either way how he behaved either way on the flight or at the airport. Does that mean it didn't happen? Not really catching your drift.



>
>LOL@you thinking OJ dumps a bag in a trash can at LAX and
>nobody goes after it
>
>f'n papparazzi would do that ON A NORMAL DAY.

I think you are not really considering we are talking about OJ in 94 pre-murder. Dude was just a b list celebrity at LAX. He wouldn't have been swarmed with paparazzi.


>his whereabouts after the murders are accounted for, yes?
>
>you really think he disposes of this bag, and nobody can track
>it down...really?

Fcuk yeah. Where OJ lived wasn't too far from where I lived in California and all the streets near where I lived had alleys with dumpsters. He could have thrown his bloody gear in any of them and you would never see them again.

And again, it would have been days or weeks before anyone would have been searching for items like that if they ever searched at all. Have you ever heard of a city wide search for a murder weapon?

>
>i.e. OJ does not have the power of invisibility.
>
>"At any rate I never would consider finding a murder weapon or
>bloody clothes that important because I don't think it would
>be that hard to dispose of a knife or bloody clothes. It would
>be days before anyone was looking for such stuff and he could
>easily dispose of it at any trash bin on the street anywhere
>and we would never see it again."
>
>I believe I read in your reply arguing against being able to
>plant evidence that the police were in his house within 24
>hours after the murders while he was in CHI...?

The timeline is that the police found the bodies and a few hours later they drove over to OJs house to inform him of the deaths. before they even established OJ was in Chicago the blood was discovered. So the theory would be without any further information the very first thing Mark Furhman did was carry the bloody glove and DNA samples to Simpson's house without knowing any other facts about the case or weather Simpson had an airtight alibi. It doesn't make sense.



>
>along with the clothes, knife, etc...he himself would have
>been covered in blood

You can take his account for how he WOULD have dealt with the blood where he describes stripping down to his socks:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/ifididit.html




>
>add that to the timeline...showering and bleaching his
>house...unless you would like to pontificate about another
>scenario that he removed blood from himself before going to
>LAX with a black bag full of evidence and no visible signs on
>his person, etc...

Why would he have to bleach anything? He could just take all the clothes off and be done with it.


>
>"Also it isn't that hard to imagine how he could kill two
>people. He is an athlete who had a weapon. He first killed
>Nicole. When Ron wondered on the scene he killed him."
>
>right...imagine...doing alladat, and then being on a flight
>within an hour...and all you got is what's in reply 103?
>
>= reasonable doubt, IMO.


Why do you keep saying he did all that he did all that and made a flight within an hour? Like I said, no one is arguing whether he made his flight. there is only one hour from his time line that is unaccounted for but He left Kato at 9:36. He made his flight at 11:45pm. Nicole lived 5 minutes away. Could he had killed her at 10:15 and greeted the limo driver at the door at 10:56pm and leave for the airport 20 minutes later? Yeah, easily.






**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12978374, cool, I'll type it out for you step by step, TBH feels like you're being
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-24-16 04:19 PM
intentionally obtuse, anyway

based on the ep I saw, he returned from CHI the next day and was the main suspect...?

I would imagine, and forgive me, I'm no cop, the investigation would attempt to recreate the minute by minute timeline

let's start w/the bag story

driver = OJ has a bag

assumedly, could have evidence in it

1 = thrown in a trash can before boarding the plane

= what company collects trash from LAX = search there

2 = interview all airline agents and travelers on that flight

= how many bags did OJ check if any, did he carry on the bag

3 = if he had the bag in CHI but didn't return with it

see = from 1 IRT the hotel he stayed at

in the ep I saw they gave a pretty detailed account of his route from the scene

so miss me with the city wide search

her house is within walking distance from his, so again, if he disposed of anything within that route I would assume it wouldn't be hard to figure out what sanitation company is responsible for collecting it, and where they deposit it

^^^ if any of those routes were even picked up by the next day, or else they would still be there, right?

base

where you're contradicting yourself, IMO, is to allude to an eyewitness account of his actions at LAX

and then poo poo the idea that anybody would have been paying attention to OJ because he's a b list, whatever whatever

and

to assume all of this other stuff, taking his clothes off, disposing of evidence, etc...

consumes what is already a very small window of time.

enjoy
12978446, I keep saying it, it was days probably even weeks before there was talk of
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-24-16 06:08 PM
of a missing bag. Maybe even months.

The Murders happened on a Monday. OJ wasn't asked to turn himself in until Friday of that week. There was one preliminary conversation with him during that period but it was at LEAST 5 days before any earnest investigation of him as a suspect.

I am not quite sure when the lead about the bag came up but even if it were five days that would be plenty of time for the bag to be routinely destroyed in any city dumpster.

Never mind if he at any point had any help at any point between the murders or when he was arrested....a week later.

You seem to be under the impression (which I guess the show gives) that the night of the murders there was this massive manhunt and investigation into OJ but it just didn't happen like that.





>intentionally obtuse, anyway
>
>based on the ep I saw, he returned from CHI the next day and
>was the main suspect...?
>
>I would imagine, and forgive me, I'm no cop, the investigation
>would attempt to recreate the minute by minute timeline
>
>let's start w/the bag story
>
>driver = OJ has a bag
>
>assumedly, could have evidence in it
>
>1 = thrown in a trash can before boarding the plane
>
>= what company collects trash from LAX = search there
>
>2 = interview all airline agents and travelers on that flight
>
>= how many bags did OJ check if any, did he carry on the bag
>
>3 = if he had the bag in CHI but didn't return with it
>
>see = from 1 IRT the hotel he stayed at
>
>in the ep I saw they gave a pretty detailed account of his
>route from the scene
>
>so miss me with the city wide search
>
>her house is within walking distance from his, so again, if he
>disposed of anything within that route I would assume it
>wouldn't be hard to figure out what sanitation company is
>responsible for collecting it, and where they deposit it
>
>^^^ if any of those routes were even picked up by the next
>day, or else they would still be there, right?
>
>base
>
>where you're contradicting yourself, IMO, is to allude to an
>eyewitness account of his actions at LAX
>
>and then poo poo the idea that anybody would have been paying
>attention to OJ because he's a b list, whatever whatever
>
>and
>
>to assume all of this other stuff, taking his clothes off,
>disposing of evidence, etc...
>
>consumes what is already a very small window of time.
>
>enjoy


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12978450, nope.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-24-16 06:23 PM
OJ was a suspect from the top. With a crime like that the ppl closest to the victims are always suspected first. OJ was Nicole's ex husband and they had a history of violence. He was the first suspect. From the hours the bodies were discovered he was the suspect unless/until he was ruled out. He was never ruled out in part bc of what the police allegedly learned about his movements in the hours b4 they believed the murders happened. To wit - the police took a blood sample from OJ the day after the murders. That means they were investigating him the day after the murders. He was at least a person of interest.

12989480, folks musta never watched Columbo
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Mar-17-16 04:50 PM
12977848, Same thing my dad was saying
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Feb-23-16 07:29 PM
I won't even argue tough if someone says OJ had someone else help him with it, but even that's suspect. I find it hard to believe he got both of em while solo.
12978376, I'm convinced that Nicole had blood and skin under her nails
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-24-16 04:26 PM
and that OJ voluntarily strip searched to reveal no scratches on his body. Those are facts as far as I know. So who was she scratching and how does a man kill two people up close and personal and not get any scratches on him?
12977687, This show ain't shit if it doesn't include this:
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Feb-23-16 02:28 PM
https://youtu.be/XQPVA2bGsB4?t=2m15s
12977707, i fully expect to see some mention of that.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 03:00 PM
LOL
12977905, lol. wow. that wasn't really her, right?
Posted by astralblak, Tue Feb-23-16 10:48 PM
.
12978202, LMAO of course not! Shit was great though
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-24-16 01:18 PM
12977784, Something else I forgot or never knew. Ito's wife worked for the LAPD
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 04:57 PM
and Mark Furhman spent a considerable amount of time talking sh*t about her and calling her names (long before the trial) on the furman tapes.

Also that Ito's wife, as one of the first women promoted in the LAPD, was the inspiration for Cagney & Lacy.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977798, Oh???
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Feb-23-16 05:26 PM
12977790, RE: latepass, IRT SoWhat's strike 1, anybody have trouble with the
Posted by bentagain, Tue Feb-23-16 05:04 PM
timeline

I only caught some of the first ep, I may binge this for shits and giggles

but what struck me as nearly impossible

stop me here if he flew private

but they have him committing murder, yelling at pedestrians, running through his own property, and then getting into a limo to get to LAX for a flight in the span of about 30 minutes...?

from living in LA

I doubt just getting to LAX from Brentwood and onto a commercial flight in 30 minutes is even remotely possible

let alone after doing alladat

being that this was 20 years ago, maybe things were different

but I doubt they were that different

for dude to be in public w/o any noticeable tells

ehh...hard to believe, IMO.
12977802, yup.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 05:37 PM
12977804, It's not really in dispute that the Limo driver saw OJ at around 10:56PM
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 05:40 PM
Both the defense and prosecution agreed that the murders took place between 10:15 and 10:40 p.m


and everything after the limo driver met OJ isn't disputed. Which is....


11:15 p.m. - Limousine leaves for Los Angeles Airport.

11:35 p.m. - Limousine arrives at airport.

11:45 p.m. - Simpson leaves on an American Airlines flight to Chicago.


The question is could OJ have pulled the murder off, dispose of evidence and get ready for a flight between 9:36 and 10:56pm, which is the time that he is unaccounted for.

Also SoWhat's Strike 1 isn't in dispute. There was blood there. The issue is how it got there.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977825, fam, I was using the strike 1 analogy as the first thing that doesn't add up
Posted by bentagain, Tue Feb-23-16 06:24 PM
add up, IMO

we're suppose to believe this was a crime of passion

but somehow OJ's first foray into double murder

is damn near perfect

1015-1040 to 1115 is at most an hour

you seriously think anybody could get that fired up emotionally

commit a crime of passion

and then geek all the way down to where there is an overwhelming lack of evidence

I mean, 2 decades later we're talking about a glove, a sock and a few drops of blood in his car...?

nah, I'm not buying that

and IRT LAX

sounds like a commercial flight in addition to being one of the most trafficed public places in the world, I would assume

did anybody other than Kato and the driver testify to his appearance, state, etc...having seen him and/or been on the same flight

IDK, more questions than answers with that timeline, IMO, it's reasonable to doubt that whole scenario.

12977834, 1. I don't know how a double murderer should behave.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 06:51 PM
I do have a family member who would flip the fcuk out (breakdown doors, threaten people with broken glass) and 30 minutes later act like nothing had happen. I can't predict how a psychopath would act.

2. Dude didn't pull off a near perfect murder. There was physical evidence all over the place (like the excerpt in 103 lists and more than just blood outside the car) and when OJ was confronted with it he was suicidal, fled with money and a disguise and threatened to kill himself when police caught up to him.





>add up, IMO
>
>we're suppose to believe this was a crime of passion
>
>but somehow OJ's first foray into double murder
>
>is damn near perfect
>
>1015-1040 to 1115 is at most an hour
>
>you seriously think anybody could get that fired up
>emotionally
>
>commit a crime of passion
>
>and then geek all the way down to where there is an
>overwhelming lack of evidence
>
>I mean, 2 decades later we're talking about a glove, a sock
>and a few drops of blood in his car...?
>
>nah, I'm not buying that
>
>and IRT LAX
>
>sounds like a commercial flight in addition to being one of
>the most trafficed public places in the world, I would assume
>
>did anybody other than Kato and the driver testify to his
>appearance, state, etc...having seen him and/or been on the
>same flight
>
>IDK, more questions than answers with that timeline, IMO, it's
>reasonable to doubt that whole scenario.
>
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977835, I don't know how a falsely accused grieving exhusband should behave.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 06:56 PM
But him wanting to commit suicide makes sense. Especially since even his own lawyers were discussing his guilt and possible plea at that point. Oh and he could be dealing with unknown untreated mental health issues related to all of those hits to the head during his football years. They're more likely to commit suicide than those of us without those injuries (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/kosta-karageorge-cte-football-suicide/njJf9/) but I dunno that he has those injuries. He may have felt there was no way out for him. Which clearly wasn't true. Suicide rarely makes sense though.
12977847, I agree none of his behavior after is dispositive of anything.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 07:26 PM
But if dude wants to argue that he didn't behave like a killer afterwards than the argument can be made that he didn't act like an innocent man after either.

Also using the CTE to explain him being suicidal also could be used to explain a double murder and attempted suicide. See Jovan Belcher.




>But him wanting to commit suicide makes sense. Especially
>since even his own lawyers were discussing his guilt and
>possible plea at that point. Oh and he could be dealing with
>unknown untreated mental health issues related to all of those
>hits to the head during his football years. They're more
>likely to commit suicide than those of us without those
>injuries
>(http://www.ajc.com/news/news/kosta-karageorge-cte-football-suicide/njJf9/)
>but I dunno that he has those injuries. He may have felt there
>was no way out for him. Which clearly wasn't true. Suicide
>rarely makes sense though.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12977850, sure.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 07:33 PM
i remain unconvinced of OJ's guilt.
12977856, Yeah I heard.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Feb-23-16 08:13 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12978371, when people are chopped up blood literally sprays out of their bodies
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Feb-24-16 04:16 PM
How is a man going to clean all of that off leaving little to no trace, dispose of much of the incriminating evidence, and catch a flight on time? In what? Under two hours?
12977837, RE: 103
Posted by bentagain, Tue Feb-23-16 07:04 PM
you can respond to those replies, because I'm saying the same thing

given a crime of passion, and a double murder, there is an overwhelming lack of evidence given such a small time frame

the evidence listed in reply 103 not withstanding

but as you illustrated with your cousin going psycho and then being chilled out moments later narrative

you didn't exactly need forensic evidence to figure out who broke the door/glass did you?

I don't know how a murderer is suppose to act either

but I would assume being surrounded by law enforcement an hour later might be a trigger

his celebrity would make him a spectacle on a normal day

did anybody have any interaction with him?

testify to the cut on his hand the day of the flight?

etc...

fam, I get a little anxious when TSA is checking my ID

and that's just because I have a weird name




12977886, This show is all over the place, but I love it. Also his kid did it.
Posted by CaptNish, Tue Feb-23-16 09:48 PM
.
12977894, The Goldmans must've produced this show.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Feb-23-16 10:29 PM
the Goldman dad's description of Ron's injuries affirms my belief that if OJ did it that Bronco would've had MORE than a few drops of blood on the outside and inside. Ron was stabbed all over his body. He bled a lot, I sure. And the killer must've been holding him for most of those stabs. Blood leaking all over.
12977990, no way a killer used the Bronco as a getaway car
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Feb-24-16 09:07 AM
12977993, Ron's Dad looked EXACTLY like him too
Posted by Amritsar, Wed Feb-24-16 09:14 AM
I thought maybe it was him at first
12978115, that nigga looked JUST like ron goldman.
Posted by now or never, Wed Feb-24-16 11:41 AM

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12978121, at first i thought the actor was Bobby Moynihan.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-24-16 11:45 AM
http://www.nbc.com/sites/nbcunbc/files/files/styles/nbc_bio_image/public/images/2013/11/08/BobbyMoynihan.jpg?itok=EPQ4vOQX
12989009, Sounds like him too. Which is . . . unfortunate.
Posted by magilla vanilla, Thu Mar-17-16 10:25 AM
12978225, Man. Soon as I saw him it was like...did they just save footage
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-24-16 01:58 PM
from back then and add a little HD on top?
12978449, seriously
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Feb-24-16 06:14 PM
he went into Mr Goldman mode immediately too lol
12988219, watching the backlog and just saw this scene.
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-15-16 11:28 PM
damn, that actor looks EXACTLY like Fred Goldman.

like... everyone looks like EVERYONE.

Except OJ.

But Judge Ito, Marcia Clark, Chris Darden, Johnnie Cochran... even the Kardashian kids look like I imagine they might have during that time (the little girl looks a lot like Kourtney).

GDLK.

12989007, See, I look at him and I see Bobby Moynihan.
Posted by magilla vanilla, Thu Mar-17-16 10:24 AM
Which unfortunately takes me out of the gravity that his scenes are supposed to provide.
12977924, Johnny Cochran walking in to Black Superman
Posted by ry 213, Wed Feb-24-16 12:57 AM
Am I the only one who thought that was great!?
12977941, MAAAAAAAN! I hella cripwalked in my head
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-24-16 04:30 AM
12977994, lol yup loved it
Posted by Amritsar, Wed Feb-24-16 09:15 AM
had a little bounce in his step

whole dream team did actually

makes me think they played the song wwhile they were shooting that scene!
12977995, I loved it.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-24-16 09:18 AM
The whole episode was awesome except for the Goldman family propaganda scene.
12978182, I hated Goldman in real life and in here...I guess it carried out
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-24-16 12:50 PM
12978220, Same here
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Feb-24-16 01:48 PM
12978442, Lol he started out EXACTLY like i remembered
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Feb-24-16 05:55 PM
turned up to 11
12978443, I wanted to howl. That was amazing
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Feb-24-16 05:56 PM
12978444, Lol damn they're making Shapiro the worst guy on the show
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Feb-24-16 05:57 PM
F Lee's passive aggressive slams on Larry King were hilarious
12978452, I had ZEEEEEEEEEEERO idea about this!!!!!
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Wed Feb-24-16 06:28 PM
12978453, i didn't know much either besides hearing of infighting
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Feb-24-16 06:31 PM
he's more of a villain in this series than OJ lol
12978490, Travolta is killing it as Shapiro
Posted by ry 213, Wed Feb-24-16 07:45 PM
12978500, Also ito"s wife being a cop and Captain, never knew that!
Posted by DJ007, Wed Feb-24-16 08:09 PM
12981716, This week's episode??? Y'all slippin!!
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Mar-03-16 04:25 AM
"Nigga please" had me DEAD.
12981887, that "nigga please" was the most epic in television history.
Posted by now or never, Thu Mar-03-16 12:20 PM

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12981899, man i thought "AC's darker than me!!" was gonna be the line
Posted by gumz, Thu Mar-03-16 12:32 PM
but "Nigga Please" def stole the show. I was dying. I don't care if it's made up, i'm def going to assume/pretend that really happened.
12981910, agreed 100%.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-03-16 12:54 PM
12981923, It really happened.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Thu Mar-03-16 01:13 PM
12982674, links/sources?
Posted by gumz, Fri Mar-04-16 01:53 PM
i mean i believe either way but confirmation would make it so much funnier
12981940, Lol i watched that scene 3 times
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-03-16 01:32 PM
>"Nigga please" had me DEAD.
12981961, I think I watched it like 4 times myself, lol
Posted by Brother Rabbit, Thu Mar-03-16 01:50 PM
12988908, I just watched that again just now... LMAO
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Mar-16-16 11:33 PM
the way they set up that scene was EPIC.

like, that moment was properly built up.
12981907, Um this is starting to get pretty fuckin good guys
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Mar-03-16 12:47 PM
Sure the first few eps had the clumsy (Ctrl + V) Kardashian family stuff


But since the actual trial started with the Dream Team WWE courtroom entrance to Black Superman - I've found it pretty compelling

Really enjoying the Darden vs Cochran stuff too. They do a great job showing the perspective of Darden. Both actors are killing their roles
12981926, Question, I'm probably slow but....what's the whole thing with Darden
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Mar-03-16 01:17 PM
and Furhman? As far as him being mad the moment Marcia Clark assigns him to question him, and then with Johnnie telling him to "let the white people handle him?"
12981932, they wanted to use him as a tool
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-03-16 01:24 PM
to minimize the impact of Fuhrman's alleged racism. They wanted Darden to be the one to help Fuhrman explain/contextualize/excuse the 'nigger' stuff.
12981944, Ahhhh. Ok, similar to how he already did that before Johnnie
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Mar-03-16 01:36 PM
hit him with that ether.
12982199, thanks, SoWhat
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Mar-03-16 05:33 PM
for making me feel NOT ALONE in all of this.

Now I need to watch this show. Somehow.
12982411, Sooo they found the Knife apparently.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Mar-04-16 09:38 AM
http://nypost.com/2016/03/04/blood-stained-knife-found-buried-on-oj-simpsons-estate/

I will admit, given the backstory how it was found, that knife has absolutely no evidentary value today even if it contained blood evidence.

The LAPD are just clowns. All around clowns.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12982539, best believe orenthal in that pokey law library right now checking on
Posted by LAbeathustla, Fri Mar-04-16 11:49 AM
that double jeopardy shit... like ..
lemme make sure im still good
12982596, he's got a rock-solid motion to dismiss for double jeopardy
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Mar-04-16 12:44 PM
if the state files a new criminal charge against OJ (relating to the death of Nicole Brown or Ron Goldman) even if based on this 'recent' discovery of 'evidence'.

12982543, smh. fucking clowns...the timing of it all
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 11:57 AM
just sloppy and opportunistic.
12982668, like... you talk about the most not-letting-it-go-ass niggas out there
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Mar-04-16 01:38 PM
shit was over 20 years ago.

the State couldn't prove that case beyond a reasonable doubt.

all this TV show is doing is reminding people of that.

and this latest stunt only seems to remind people of the LAPD's fuckery in it all.

why sit on evidence for all this time, only for it to surface when there's a new "OJ" TV show?

lol
12982545, you want to add digging a hole and covering the ground well enough
Posted by bentagain, Fri Mar-04-16 11:59 AM
that's it's not discovered during a search

to the already crunched timeline

???
12982548, I don't think there is any reason to believe he had to do it
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Mar-04-16 12:02 PM
before leaving for Chicago, or even that HE had to do it.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
12982571, cause he didnt do it
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Mar-04-16 12:26 PM



12982653, ^^^^
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Mar-04-16 01:21 PM
.
12982646, THIS. I'm like......so he had THAT MUCH damn time????
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-04-16 01:14 PM
I know he was a beast on the field, but shit!
12982672, there wasnt dirt on the Bronco!
Posted by rdhull, Fri Mar-04-16 01:44 PM
>that's it's not discovered during a search
>
>to the already crunched timeline
>
>???
12982591, the police found *A* knife on Simpson's former property.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Mar-04-16 12:43 PM
no idea if it's *the* knife.

and considering all of the shenanigans in the case this 'discovery' of whatever this thing is just proves the defense's theory about the evidence in this case.

12982649, Right-- if anything, this *bolsters* the defense.
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri Mar-04-16 01:16 PM
12982568, my cousin plays one of the jurors, but i haven't watched an episode
Posted by PROMO, Fri Mar-04-16 12:23 PM
i ffwd thru one trying to catch a glimpse of him, lol.

i've heard this is actually pretty good though.
12982648, Another question. The thing about Carl Douglas not reporting the
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-04-16 01:15 PM
witnesses, and Bill Hodgman passing out (which is slightly accurate but whatever).

So what's the whole thing about the defense needing to present witnesses to the prosecution before hand? Was it just a mistake that they weren't reported in this case? And if it's unethical or whatever, why would the judge still allow those witnesses to be called...or were they still called? That whole segment had me kinda lost.
12982678, Both sides have to share evidence and witness lists...
Posted by gumz, Fri Mar-04-16 01:57 PM
since they both have to counter the other's argument. You can't just hide your key witness in a dark room and have them pop up out of nowhere at the last minute...gotta give the other side a heads up so they can prep their questions and do their own investigative work.

that's my lamens explanation of it...i'm no lawyer though. some of these guys can break it down better.
12982791, Ahhh,...ok yeah, and I see SoWhat explained it too
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-04-16 04:54 PM
>since they both have to counter the other's argument. You
>can't just hide your key witness in a dark room and have them
>pop up out of nowhere at the last minute...gotta give the
>other side a heads up so they can prep their questions and do
>their own investigative work.
>
>that's my lamens explanation of it...i'm no lawyer though.
>some of these guys can break it down better.
12982685, RE: Another question. The thing about Carl Douglas not reporting the
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Mar-04-16 02:03 PM
>So what's the whole thing about the defense needing to present
>witnesses to the prosecution before hand?

i'm not sure about the law and rules in Cali (this case was tried under California state law and California Supreme Court rules and the various California rules of evidence and professional conduct). but where i practice in felony cases both parties (state and defense) are required to give advance notice of any witnesses the party intends to call at trial. neither party can 'surprise' its opponent w/any witness unless there's some extreme circumstance that left the party w/o a choice. generally if there's a surprise witness attempted the party doing the surprising may be barred from calling that witness. or, more likely, the opponent will be granted some time to investigate this surprise witness which may result in a delay in the proceedings.

Was it just a
>mistake that they weren't reported in this case?

i dunno. in the show Cochran's ppl blamed Shapiro's ppl for leaving those names off the defense's witness list given to the state and the court before the trial started. i dunno if that actually happened or why.

And if it's
>unethical or whatever, why would the judge still allow those
>witnesses to be called

b/c the judge generally will give the defense some leeway in the interest of avoiding an issue that may be raised in an appeal which could result in a whole new trial or a reversal of the jury's verdict (if the defendant is found guilty in the first trial after the judge barred the surprise witness).

...or were they still called? That whole
>segment had me kinda lost.

i dunno if the witnesses were actually called during the trial.
12982794, Makes sense then. Yea they put it on Shapiro, just like damn near
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-04-16 04:57 PM
everything was put on him LOL.

12985714, Those witnesses
Posted by TR808, Thu Mar-10-16 04:35 PM
I remember that being a big deal....

It Ito allowed them to call those witnesses because they really would not have had anybody else to put on the stand except OJ...


This show has met all of my expectations....and exceeded them.
12982800, ot: does anyone else think Travolt's performance is hilarious in this thing?
Posted by rdhull, Fri Mar-04-16 05:06 PM
its like bad acting school
12982806, it's so bad its good.
Posted by now or never, Fri Mar-04-16 05:19 PM

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12982837, His face is worse than his acting
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-04-16 07:30 PM
12987654, i love him in this...so bad it's good
Posted by gumz, Tue Mar-15-16 10:02 AM
12988199, died laughing when he rolled up in that Benz listening to Al Jarreau
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-15-16 10:31 PM
I dunno why that was so funny, but it was.

Travolta is hilarious (unintentionally)
12985543, are you guys still watching?
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Mar-10-16 02:39 PM
cuz umm this might be one of the best things on T.V. at the moment


love how they're not just focusing on the trial itself (which is what I had expected)


but the slow burn of following the lives of each character (from Cochran to Darden and last ep with Marcia Clark)... really appreciating the ensemble approach of the show


12985546, I am. This shit is Empire types of goodness
Posted by rdhull, Thu Mar-10-16 02:40 PM
>cuz umm this might be one of the best things on T.V. at the
>moment
>
>
>love how they're not just focusing on the trial itself (which
>is what I had expected)
>
>
>but the slow burn of following the lives of each character
>(from Cochran to Darden and last ep with Marcia Clark)...
>really appreciating the ensemble approach of the show
>
>
>
12985628, the last two episodes have been fucking fantastic.
Posted by now or never, Thu Mar-10-16 03:44 PM
from darden v cochran
to the marcia clark study
its gotten better with each episode

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12986527, I never knew about Marcia's marital/child issues. And of course they
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-11-16 04:01 PM
are implying that her and Darden was fuckin, but was there ever any proof that they had a lil thang going on, or was it all speculation?

12987482, Darden has never claimed that they were banging.
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Mar-14-16 06:06 PM
However, he said in his memoir that during trial prep they "sat up listening to hip-hop and R&B. We danced a few times and drank a few bottles of wine. In my mind, that is a relationship."
12986605, This show is great
Posted by ry 213, Fri Mar-11-16 05:51 PM
I felt really bad for Marcia this episode and johnnie is so ruthless. Loved how he befriended that cop to find out he lived in Simi Valley and then flipped it on him in the court room.
12986615, While we're here, I found out (how) I'm related to Johnnie Cochran.
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Mar-11-16 06:12 PM
Uh...yeah...kind of a cool story, bro. Lydia in this story is my dad's great grandmother. Enjoy.

"Lydia and Anna Cochran (Lydia Mother of Lee Moton); (Anna is sister to Lydia) born around 1863 in Red Bank, Mississippi; both born near the end of slavery but were slaves as infants; joint owners of granted sharecropper land (with their brother John Cochran) in Red Bank, Mississippi; dates of deaths and causes of death are unknown

John Cochran (brother to Lydia and Anna Cochran; he is Johnny Cochran’s grandfather) born around 1860-1864 in Red Bank, Mississippi; was a former slave and given sharecropper land (joint owners with his sisters Lydia and Anna Cochran) at the end of slavery in Red Bank, Mississippi; he secretly sold the jointly owned land to some white people while Lydia and Anna worked the fields; upon coming home, Lydia, Anna, and their families were told to get off the land because they no longer owned it. They were instantly homeless; John Cochran moved to Shreveport, Louisiana, married and raised a family; sisters Lydia and Anna Cochran discovered where John was located in Shreveport. They walked to Shreveport, found John and killed him; John’s death was due to homicide."
12987592, WOW
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-15-16 06:02 AM
>Uh...yeah...kind of a cool story, bro. Lydia in this story is
>my dad's great grandmother. Enjoy.
>
>"Lydia and Anna Cochran (Lydia Mother of Lee Moton); (Anna is
>sister to Lydia) born around 1863 in Red Bank, Mississippi;
>both born near the end of slavery but were slaves as infants;
>joint owners of granted sharecropper land (with their brother
>John Cochran) in Red Bank, Mississippi; dates of deaths and
>causes of death are unknown
>
>John Cochran (brother to Lydia and Anna Cochran; he is Johnny
>Cochran’s grandfather) born around 1860-1864 in Red Bank,
>Mississippi; was a former slave and given sharecropper land
>(joint owners with his sisters Lydia and Anna Cochran) at the
>end of slavery in Red Bank, Mississippi; he secretly sold the
>jointly owned land to some white people while Lydia and Anna
>worked the fields; upon coming home, Lydia, Anna, and their
>families were told to get off the land because they no longer
>owned it. They were instantly homeless; John Cochran moved to
>Shreveport, Louisiana, married and raised a family; sisters
>Lydia and Anna Cochran discovered where John was located in
>Shreveport. They walked to Shreveport, found John and killed
>him; John’s death was due to homicide."
12987655, Woah! That took a hell of a turn
Posted by gumz, Tue Mar-15-16 10:04 AM
12987478, RE: I'm not black ... I'm OJ
Posted by TR808, Mon Mar-14-16 05:58 PM
That Line right there is THE whole series...

It reminds me of that scene in Do the right thing when they were talking about Michael Jordan and how he was "not black" or more than being black....

12987718, After last week, a LOT of Black women and even some Black men I know
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Mar-15-16 11:46 AM
are extremely sympathetic for Marcia Clark.

Sounds crazy, because EVERYBODY hated her in 94, even some White folks and the media, obviously.
12988019, Thats my only issue with this show....
Posted by TR808, Tue Mar-15-16 04:56 PM
they are so heavy handed with this "Feel Sorry for Marcia" crap... she could have easily stepped out of that case. but she wanted the shine....

also the Kardashian "we are loyal and good people" crap was so cringe worthy... when he was giving that speech to the kids... to see what they became... I wonder how pops would have felt about them?
12988043, They're just trolling the Kardashians though. That shit is hilarous.
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Mar-15-16 05:24 PM
That lunch table discussion scene especially was clearly taking shots at what they've become, and their obsession with fame. that's the whole point.

>also the Kardashian "we are loyal and good people" crap was so
>cringe worthy... when he was giving that speech to the kids...
>to see what they became... I wonder how pops would have felt
>about them?
12988045, I deeefinitely caught those shots fired at them!
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Mar-15-16 05:31 PM
12988064, is it crap?
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Mar-15-16 06:13 PM
there's a lot of shit that comes w/ the game, but having your hairstyle picked apart on TV and nudes leaked to tabloids is pretty shitty, no matter who you are.

that said, considering how many people are either entirely unsympathetic figures here (OJ, Fuhrman), or dead (Cochran, Kardashian) or probably didn't want to comment (Shapiro, his portrayal is super weird considering he's still alive) you can tell whose story gets told

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12988070, ^^
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Mar-15-16 06:20 PM
plus making Marcia vulnerable/relateable makes for good tv.
12988302, that's where I'm @....I couldn't stand her back then
Posted by ambient1, Wed Mar-16-16 08:46 AM
I did a complete 180 after the show

never liked Chris Darden and never will
12987721, If the knife is rusted, I can't be busted
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-15-16 11:49 AM
his old BFF from jail said OJ said this about the knife.

He also said he thinks OJ did it and has a book out now. Then again, who the fuck is buying a book if the author thought he was innocent?
12988198, I'm getting caught up, and watching tonight's episode as well
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-15-16 10:30 PM
goddamn, the casting/costuming in this show is great.
12988224, man, the setup of 'Black folks as scapegoat' is strong in this.
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Mar-15-16 11:34 PM
I did feel kind of bad for Marcia Clark, the way she's portrayed in this.

I don't think I ever really felt THAT strongly about her or Darden back then, but I did think it was bullshit the way people pressed for an OJ conviction were mad at them after he was acquitted.

I saved most of my vitriol for the LAPD.
12988280, it's very much: HOW CAN YOU PPL BELIEVE IN HIS INNOCENCE?!!?
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Mar-16-16 08:08 AM
mixed w/: HOW CAN YOU PPL DOUBT HIS GUILT?!!?
12988668, So much... I mean, it was the REAL sentiment from people
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Mar-16-16 01:44 PM
but I'm like... "the deep cuts of racism never cease". Like that jury was incapable of looking past race in the decision.

That jury selection scene had me thinking. When they asked them how they felt about Marcia Clark and one of them called her a "bitch" I was like... "Yo... WTF"

and she was there to hear it behind the wall, damn.

Even Darden looks like he's on the path to being part of that scapegoat.
12988240, all I Know is that OJ got set up period
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Wed Mar-16-16 12:26 AM
these Hating jokers on the LAPD finding Beef cuter knives
and still acting like its new.

and not a Mark on OJ
and not a thing.

set up 101 Best Believe
12988274, Darden lost the case when he didnt fuck Marcia Clark
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-16-16 07:59 AM
12988466, ^^^deez facts.
Posted by now or never, Wed Mar-16-16 11:05 AM

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12988519, she put his azz in check lol
Posted by rdhull, Wed Mar-16-16 11:45 AM
>
12988528, my wife was like "he's gonna touch the door"
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-16-16 11:48 AM
they had great chemistry and he fucked it up and had the nerve to be shocked when she played him in court.
12989025, I mean....it was smart in a way, it just backfired
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Mar-17-16 11:13 AM
12989428, either way he was gonna lose on that one
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-17-16 03:19 PM
so might as well get the ass...

12988296, i like how OJ is always in full football mode
Posted by Amritsar, Wed Mar-16-16 08:36 AM
WE GOTTA CROSS THE GOAL LINE BRO ITS THE 4TH QTR!!


JOHNNIE IS THE QB!




12988514, he said 'put me in coach!'--lmao
Posted by rdhull, Wed Mar-16-16 11:43 AM
>WE GOTTA CROSS THE GOAL LINE BRO ITS THE 4TH QTR!!
>
>
>JOHNNIE IS THE QB!
>
>
>
>
>
12988523, I was ROLLING!!!
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Mar-16-16 11:46 AM
every episode has 3 football references
12988488, if it ain't the Knife, than Let OJ go on with His Life
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Wed Mar-16-16 11:24 AM
OJ should be at the crib chilling period.
12988490, 7/11 ain't got a big enough Gulp with how thirsty Darden was and still is
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Wed Mar-16-16 11:27 AM
Marcia Clark had that turkey begging like was Keith Sweat or something.

all outside the door sanging "make it last forever"
12988744, didn't realize until I saw a tweet, that was Sam Sarpong's last role
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Mar-16-16 02:54 PM
https://twitter.com/omardorsey/statuses/710191478082035712

"Watching last night's episode of #ThePeopleVsOJSimpson and it's chilling seeing my boy Sam Sarpong in his final role. RIP Sam."

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12988884, Wow... RIP
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Mar-16-16 09:05 PM
12988883, that dude playing F. Lee Bailey is hilarious
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Mar-16-16 09:03 PM
same with Alan Dershowitz... that dude LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE REAL DUDE, LMAO
12988900, Dude that's Nathan Lane
Posted by Splinter., Wed Mar-16-16 10:17 PM
How great is Nathan Lane?
12988969, ohhhhhh shittttttt
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Mar-17-16 08:56 AM
i seriously had no idea


kept saying to myself that the actor portraying Bailey looked familiar. Couldn't place it

12989181, Yup lol
Posted by Splinter., Thu Mar-17-16 01:09 PM
Plus he toned the camp way down.
12989441, yup--was gonna mention that..he is killin it here
Posted by rdhull, Thu Mar-17-16 03:41 PM
>How great is Nathan Lane?


very

12988991, The dude playing Barry Shek looks just like him too. Crazy.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Mar-17-16 09:51 AM
12989178, Yup, Northern Exposure.
Posted by Splinter., Thu Mar-17-16 01:09 PM
12990339, young, I just watched the closing arguments for the defense of this case
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Mar-19-16 03:24 PM
you know, the one with the famous "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit" line.

what isn't often talked about are the 15 questions of reasonable doubt Cochran asked:


1. Why ... did the blood show up on the sock almost two months after a careful search for evidence and why, as demonstrated by Dr. Lee and Professor MacDonell, was the blood applied when there was no foot in it?

2. Why was Mark Fuhrman, a detective who had been pushed off the case, the person who went by himself to the Bronco, over the fence to interrogate Kato to discover the glove and the thump-thump-thump area?

3. Why was the glove still moist when Fuhrman found it if Mr. Simpson had dropped it seven hours earlier?

4. If Mark Fuhrman ... would speak so openly about his intense genocidal racism to a relative stranger such as Kathleen Bell, how many of his co-workers, the other detectives in this case, were also aware that he lied when he denied using the n-word, yet failed to come forward?

5. Why did the prosecution not call a single police officer to rebut police photographer Rokahr's testimony that Detective Fuhrman was pointing at the glove before - before Fuhrman went to Rockingham?: That is, around 4:30 in the morning.

6. If the glove had been dropped on the walkway at Rockingham 10 minutes after the murder, why is there no blood or fiber on that south walkway or on the leaves the glove was resting on. Why is there no blood in the 150 feet of narrow walkway, on the stucco walk abutting it?

7. For what purpose was Vannatter carrying Mr. Simpson's blood in his pocket for three hours and a distance of 25 miles instead of booking it down the hall at Parker Center?

8. Why did Deputy District Attorney Hank Goldberg, in a desperate effort to cover up for the missing 1.5 milliliters of Mr. Simpson's blood, secretly go out to the home of police nurse Thano Peratis without notice to the defense and get him to contradict his previous sworn testimony at both the grand jury and the preliminary hearing?

9. Why if, according to Ms. Clark, he walked into his own house wearing the murder clothes and shoes is there not any soil or so much as a smear or drop of blood associated with the victims on the floor, the white carpeting, the doorknobs, the light switches, and his bedding?

10. If Mr. Simpson had just killed Mr. Goldman in a bloody battle involving more than two dozen knife wounds - where Mr. Goldman remained standing and struggling for several minutes - how come there is less than seven-tenths of one drop of blood consistent with Mr. Goldman found in the Bronco?

11. Why following a bitter struggle alleged with Mr. Goldman were there no bruises or marks on O.J. Simpson's body?

12. Why do bloodstains with the most DNA not show up until weeks after the murders?

13. Why did Mark Fuhrman lie to us?

14. Why did Phil Vannatter lie to us?

15. Given Professor MacDonell's testimony that the gloves would not have shrunk no matter how much blood was smeared on them, and given that they never shrank on June 21, 1994, until now despite being repeatedly frozen and thawed, how come the gloves just don't fit?

a lot was made of questions 4, 5, and 13 with relation to the outcome

but questions 1, and 6-11 really do more than raise the question of doubt to me. the central theme: this was a bloody-ass murder by all accounts... where the hell is the blood?

no one, not even the "experts" had the answers.

the way this was reported, more about Cochran's rhetoric than the facts... might upgrade this whole thing from "right legal decision" to "that nigga ain't do that shit" to me

in any case, how could anyone blame the jury for the outcome when the State of California couldn't even so much as have a response to this?

oh, I know.... 'CISM.

this is all making for good TV, but the "race" element of this really seems more and more a convenient scapegoat under scrutiny.
12990343, BRUH! I watched this case in its entirety back in the day
Posted by kayru99, Sat Mar-19-16 03:52 PM
When the prosecution rested its case, I was like...WHUT? That's their whole case?

OJ didn't - and most likely COULD NOT HAVE - done this crime.

Really, its was an open and shut not guilty verdict. Race had absolutely nothing to do with the verdict, and everything to do with the reaction to the verdict.
12990347, I'm like...
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Mar-19-16 04:11 PM
and when you realize the role that racism plays in the response: essentially, "black people aren't intelligent enough to see past race enough to process the facts", I just shake my head.

people mad as hell over a rhyming closing statement but casually ignored what came right before it.

'CISM.
12990446, yup!
Posted by SoWhat, Sun Mar-20-16 10:35 AM
12990445, damn.
Posted by SoWhat, Sun Mar-20-16 10:34 AM
the LACK of blood in OJ's truck and home are the main reasons i don't believe the state's timeline or theory of guilt. that's why i say i don't think he did it - b/c i have not seen enough evidence that convinces me otherwise. if that evidence existed it would've been found by now. it's not there b/c he's innocent.
12990517, OJ should be at home now chilling
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Sun Mar-20-16 07:36 PM
he got frammed period and the cat loves the spotlight too much as we know
12993496, goddamn! i never knew half of this
Posted by gumz, Thu Mar-24-16 04:28 PM
i always figured he got off cause the prosecution failed to prove without a reasonable doubt...but after this? shiiiiiiit
12999107, Whoaaaaaaaaa.....seeeeee................
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 01:12 PM
I never, ever ever read this. If ALL of that is true, then shit. It was NOT as simple as "the LAPD hates niggas and they framed Juice!"
12999470, here's the video of that part (36:45)
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Apr-05-16 10:05 PM
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KNnU2NnfS4#t=36m45s

this is part 4 of the arguments, and this part almost ran an hour.

but those 15 questions?

all you hear about is the glove and "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." but Cochran was talking about the evidence.
13000075, Barry Scheck's closing MURDERED the prosecutions case too
Posted by kayru99, Wed Apr-06-16 09:30 PM
and it's funny how the white dude's equally (if not more) devastating closing arguments are NOT mentioned in pop cultural mythology of the case. Dude BEASTED

Start at the 12 minute mark, in which he pretty much obliterates the "mountain of evidence"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofOJgnShmE
13000102, here's the problem with this (obvs just saw this after my reply below)
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Apr-06-16 11:16 PM
perhaps the lawyers in the crowd no better than I do

but there are problems with evidence, witnesses, etc. in lots of cases.

unanswered questions, stuff that doesn't match up, etc.

is it enough to sway the jury though?

the defense raised a ton of questions, and they hammered in the question of "well why shouldn't we take the word of the police despite these inconsistencies?" with race.

I don't think that makes the jury stupid or blind, but it does mean oj had some damn good representation, because how many cases have we seen later overturned that were convicted on what looks like a lot less.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13000103, problem is, these problems are huge. massive
Posted by kayru99, Wed Apr-06-16 11:20 PM
like big enough to question whether or not the case should have even made it to trial.

No timeline
no weapon
no real motive
and pretty much every piece of evidence was contaminated.

12993439, Seinfeld vs Martin. Target vs Ross
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-24-16 03:26 PM
lol

*cut to OJ talking about how funny Kramer is*

I was kind of waiting for at least one juror to call it Seinfelds though
12993502, i would've wanted to watch Seinfeld over Martin.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-24-16 04:33 PM
EASILY.

and i dunno about that many folks having never even heard of Seinfeld by 1995. that was a bit much. LOL
12994094, I almost felt like they were trolling the white jurors lol
Posted by Splinter., Fri Mar-25-16 11:09 PM
12993506, to be fair, the ross demographic depends entirely on where u at in LA
Posted by now or never, Thu Mar-24-16 04:36 PM
on the whole, its mostly a latin american experience
or at least it was when i was still goin to ross (i only go now for cheap calvin klein draws)
i aint been to a target in prolly 5 years tho
-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12993719, that was slick and hilarious
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Mar-25-16 09:48 AM
>*cut to OJ talking about how funny Kramer is*
12993721, if that's what it was like being on that jury... maaaaaaan, fuck that.
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Mar-25-16 09:48 AM
that's damn near like being in solitary confinement.
12996520, http://www.foxnews.com/person/f/mark-fuhrman.html
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Mar-30-16 05:42 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/person/f/mark-fuhrman.html
12996546, Thats so fucked up they would hire him...
Posted by ry 213, Wed Mar-30-16 07:18 PM
I shouldnt be surprised being that it is Fox News but that shows you the level they are on...
12996846, they really bring this dude on to talk about police shootings
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Mar-31-16 12:58 PM
and discuss police brutality
bottom of the page is videos for Ferguson, Cincinnati, Baltimore, etc..
12996532, Mr. Furhman. Did you plant any evidence in this case?
Posted by rdhull, Wed Mar-30-16 06:16 PM
fif! (c) Dave Chapelle
12996865, THAT MOMENT
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-31-16 01:11 PM
is...that shit gave me a half chub as a defense attorney.

as soon as the state objected after Fuhrman had invoked the 5th in response to several questions on cross i was like, 'I'd ask that fool ONE question - Detective, did you manufacture or plant any false evidence in this case?' and then when Johnnie pretty much broke it down to that one question i fucking hollered.

that's a defense attorney's dream right there.
12999094, Maaaaaan. At that point??????
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 01:06 PM
12996557, i might be overstating it
Posted by Amritsar, Wed Mar-30-16 08:06 PM
but damn this is probably the best show on TV right now


never thought I'd be saying it after the first couple episodes with the heavy handed Kardashian stuff


but from the "black superman" episode on, it has really picked up steam. Now I see what the critics were talking about



Lots of new stuff to me that I didnt know about I've learned from the show.. this week it was The Darden courtroom contempt and walking out stuff... had me like 0_o


12996863, it's really great
Posted by now or never, Thu Mar-31-16 01:11 PM
none of my friends are watching it week to week and i keep tellin em the shit is flames
some of the stuff might not have happened tho if you read any of the fact checks that come out after each episode
one of em i read said darden didn't actually storm out of the courtroom when fuhrman went up

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12996870, but Darden DID clap back at the judge and Clark DID offer
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-31-16 01:13 PM
to remove her jewelry and earrings in anticipation of being held in contempt.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-9-recap
12996917, that part was awesome
Posted by now or never, Thu Mar-31-16 01:44 PM
she's had some great lines the last couple episodes
especially last episode when she told johnnie "daycare's on the first floor"
THE SHAAAAAAAAADE

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
12997068, yup. Sarah Paulson is killing it.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-31-16 04:08 PM
12997803, RE: that part was awesome
Posted by rdhull, Sat Apr-02-16 01:43 PM
>she's had some great lines the last couple episodes
>especially last episode when she told johnnie "daycare's on
>the first floor"
>THE SHAAAAAAAAADE

I agree but she always ends up in the next scene with her head in her hands after being served lol
12997802, Dunno if it's the best but it's been my favorite for sure
Posted by Mynoriti, Sat Apr-02-16 01:37 PM
Plus i guess i dpn't remember the case as well as i thought i did. i find myself having to fact check every time some "holy shit.. that happened?!" moment lol
12997162, there was more 'niggas' than a NWA song post-Ice Cube in this ep
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Mar-31-16 08:43 PM
12997228, RE: I'm not black ... I'm OJ
Posted by cloak323, Fri Apr-01-16 07:01 AM
Why were the transcripts in NC's possession? Or weren't they AND I'm guessing here, is it that by rule- in order to enter into testimony for another state court's case something that is being possessed by a person not residing in CA, you have to request permission from the court (NC) to have it moved?

I couldn't make sense of that part.
12997232, The screenwriter lived in NC.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Apr-01-16 07:16 AM
Judge Ito ordered her to produce the tapes in California state court in his DTLA courtroom. Normally if a person disobeys a court order the judge can direct police to go enforce the order - here they would go arrest the screenwriter. But the judge only has power to direct police in California - his order has no power in NC. But a NC judge can order the screenwriter to obey Judge Ito's CA order. And if she wouldn't obey then a NC judge can have her arrested by NC police and possibly held in a NC jail for contempt. Since the defense wanted the tapes they took the initiative and asked a NC court to order homegirl to obey Ito's order. The first judge declined. The appellate court reversed that judge's decision and ordered the screenwriter to produce the tapes.


>Why were the transcripts in NC's possession? Or weren't they
>AND I'm guessing here, is it that by rule- in order to enter
>into testimony for another state court's case something that
>is being possessed by a person not residing in CA, you have to
>request permission from the court (NC) to have it moved?
>
>I couldn't make sense of that part.
>
12997249, RE: The screenwriter lived in NC.
Posted by cloak323, Fri Apr-01-16 07:49 AM
preciate it.
12997444, I'm really liking Ryan Murphy's direction of this.
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Apr-01-16 12:08 PM
he's pulling a lot of strings, and that last episode really tied things up in a way I haven't seen often in a story I already know the ending to.

the underlying story about this case that they're trying to tell: Simpson's defense team, in particular... were moved by the 'CISM of the LAPD and they race-baited their way to victory.

which, we all know is some bullshit. but that's the narrative I keep seeing creeping up.

all that focus on the word "nigger". in audio and print, across several episodes, but so much in this latest one. the reactions to those words.

playing right to the (presumably, white) side of the audience who believes in that notion. and an infantile notion that the easiest and ONLY way to spot racism is through words like "nigger".

YET... the episode (and others) show a much more common form of 'CISM. the word "nigger" was not uttered, but the sentiment was felt. When Cochran goes to the NC judge to get that order and he's like NOPE... the look on that judge's face said it all.


F. Lee peeps it, goes before the appellate court and then they go with him? 'CISM.


I love Nathan Lane's portrayal of him in this, BTW.


also about the tapes:

"McKinny’s reluctance to grab some of the O.J. Simpson spotlight for herself may have something to do with the way she was vilified at the time of the trial. (Judge Lance Ito is also the rare Simpson-trial figure who opted not to give interviews or write a memoir.) The subject of a scathing 1995 Variety article that accused her of profiting from the release of the Fuhrman tapes, McKinny says, “I wasn’t liked very much in L.A. When I got home I didn’t feel very well liked, either. I had to worry about my job. I had to worry about death threats. Which, once again, I chose not to talk about.”

One particularly scorching line of the Variety piece wonders why McKinny didn’t tell the defense team she had “destroyed the tapes and then promptly done so.” And as McKinny reveals, the option to destroy the tapes did arise long before the defense found her. When she was visiting Los Angeles in June 1995—after the trial started and as Mark Fuhrman was making headlines as a star witness for the prosecution—she says she “was advised by someone who was a personal friend and a judge who will remain nameless that I should destroy the tapes. She said, ‘You need not to have those tapes.’”

But McKinny did not destroy the tapes, and the recordings of Fuhrman’s racial epithets became a major turning point in the trial and one of the primary elements of Johnnie Cochran’s closing arguments. McKinny says that at the time she was “appalled” at the idea of destroying her research, and that it didn’t occur to her that her confidential recordings could wind up in court without her approval. “I was very naïve and unschooled about this kind of legal process,” she says"

link: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-9-fuhrman-tapes-laura-hart-mckinny-interview

people were really mad at her. lol, not at Fuhrman for being a lyin' ass liar. LOL
12997746, i think the direction shows that the right and only verdict was met
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Sat Apr-02-16 01:34 AM
and that the defense more than enough proved their case and points on cross examinations
and were knocking things off with ease.

and the bottom line everything played out in the case as it was suppose to and tie it all together.

i watched this whole trial and felt then as now that OJ didn't do it.
12997980, agreed
Posted by SooperEgo, Sun Apr-03-16 02:21 PM
12997847, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANj0eGXlxu8
Posted by Mynoriti, Sat Apr-02-16 05:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANj0eGXlxu8
12998855, you know, hearing him speak
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Apr-05-16 10:33 AM
I might revise how I feel about Cuba's portrayal of him

he kind of sounds like that portrayal in this video
12999091, Animation wise, yeah he has that down. But not the voice
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 01:05 PM
12999140, lmao this is awesome
Posted by gumz, Tue Apr-05-16 01:29 PM
12999115, So I love the show, but I honestly don't like how they try to make it
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 01:14 PM
SO MUCH about Race, and as if the jurors were too racially blinded to make a logical decision. They don't make them appear to be incompetent, but they focus so much of it on racial issues and not the facts that I've read that show legit reasons to believe OJ was innocent.
12999380, You really feel like that?
Posted by ODotSoHot, Tue Apr-05-16 05:50 PM
I don't think it's been heavy-handed at all. The OJ trial, by nature, had wild racial implications. I mean...the defense's case was pretty much, 'The LAPD is a racist institution that tampered with evidence in order to bring a successful black man down'. To gloss over race would have been mad irresponsible.

12999394, You gotta be kidding
Posted by Lurkmode, Tue Apr-05-16 06:05 PM
>I don't think it's been heavy-handed at all. The OJ trial,
>by nature, had wild racial implications. I mean...the
>defense's case was pretty much, 'The LAPD is a racist
>institution that tampered with evidence in order to bring a
>successful black man down'. To gloss over race would have
>been mad irresponsible.
>
>


They made the Black jurors look like idiots. Sleeping, during the trial, crazy, trying to get over. They shouldn't gloss over race, but they could do better then that.
12999406, Why I gotta be kidding?
Posted by ODotSoHot, Tue Apr-05-16 06:43 PM
>>I don't think it's been heavy-handed at all. The OJ trial,
>>by nature, had wild racial implications. I mean...the
>>defense's case was pretty much, 'The LAPD is a racist
>>institution that tampered with evidence in order to bring a
>>successful black man down'. To gloss over race would have
>>been mad irresponsible.
>>
>>
>
>
>They made the Black jurors look like idiots. Sleeping, during
>the trial, crazy, trying to get over. They shouldn't gloss
>over race, but they could do better then that.

Yoooo, that was some black belt level trolling you just did right there lol. True story....you had me 'bout to type up a rebuttal for a stance I never even took lol. You good, kid.

12999412, You didn't say this ?
Posted by Lurkmode, Tue Apr-05-16 06:52 PM
"I don't think it's been heavy-handed at all."


Nothing ?

>
>Yoooo, that was some black belt level trolling you just did
>right there lol. True story....you had me 'bout to type up a
>rebuttal for a stance I never even took lol. You good, kid.
>

It's time to give, calling everything "trolling" a rest. It's used too much on this board.
12999429, Peep....
Posted by ODotSoHot, Tue Apr-05-16 07:48 PM
R-Tistic said that he felt that the show was making everything too much about race. I said I don't believe that they've gone overboard with it, because the OJ trial was inherently about race.

You started talkin' about jurors being lazy and crazy. I never took a stance one way or the other about this particular topic; however...the OP did. "They don't make (the jurors) appear to be incompetent..." That's more in opposition to your viewpoint than anything I said and yet...you responded to big homie.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you were the troll-king....if not, I have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to lurk mode, breh....
12999445, Try again
Posted by Lurkmode, Tue Apr-05-16 08:37 PM
> R-Tistic- said that he felt that the show was making
>everything too much about race. I said I don't believe that
>they've gone overboard with it, because the OJ trial was
>inherently about race.

-DJ R-Tistic- said more than that.

"SO MUCH about Race, and as if the jurors were too racially blinded to make a logical decision."

No you said

"I don't think it's been heavy-handed at all."

Not heavy handed at all, is naive given this is a made for t.v. series on a cable channel.


>You started talkin' about jurors being lazy and crazy. I
>never took a stance one way or the other about this particular
>topic; however...the OP did. "They don't make (the jurors)
>appear to be incompetent..." That's more in opposition to
>your viewpoint than anything I said and yet...you responded to
>big homie.


When I discuss how the show portrayed the jury, I was giving an example of the heavy hand. Notice how it connects to what you said in the reply you made to DJ R-Tistic

When the OP says

"I honestly don't like how they try to make it"
SO MUCH about Race, and as if the jurors were too racially blinded to make a logical decision."

that's the show being heavy handed.

>I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you
>were the troll-king....if not, I have no idea what you're
>talking about. Go back to lurk mode, breh....

If you need help with the easy common sense points just ask, don't throw troll out just because you get confused when the dots are not connected.
12999455, K (c) SoWhat
Posted by ODotSoHot, Tue Apr-05-16 09:06 PM
12999476, 248
Posted by Lurkmode, Tue Apr-05-16 10:24 PM
303
12999402, Oh I'm not at ALLLLL asking them to gloss over race
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 06:29 PM
The entire case was definitely laced with major racial tension, that's not a question at all. My issue is more that the show makes it appear that the defense ONLY made things about race, and that the jurors were ONLY going to respond to things about race. The overall tone just makes it seem like Blacks were all the way blinded and overly sensitive about race, without thinking logically.
12999421, Context is important here...
Posted by ODotSoHot, Tue Apr-05-16 07:11 PM
I mean the core of defense's case was that the LAPD was racist -- not just on the show...in real life. They had a predominantly black jury and emotions were still high in the wake of the Rodney King verdict. They were gonna bang that drum and bang it loudly.

But even with that, the defense had boatloads of reasonable doubt -- Fuhrman's testimony, the subsequent 'n-word' tapes, the glove, the lack of blood, etc. (they'll probably drive all this home in the finale tonight). I don't think the jurors had to be 'blinded by race' to arrive at the decision they did. Perhaps they could have played up the evidence a bit more over the season, but I don't think it makes for a narrative that's half as compelling.

12999430, Yeah, I mean the defense surely played off those emotions
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 07:50 PM
I actually feel like the director/writers of this show could be truthful, yet still make it seem like OJ was 100% innocent OR guilty...it was one of the trickiest things ever. In this case, it leans more toward the guilty...I feel the tone is, "yeah, he did it...but because the LAPD was so sloppy and notoriously racist...he got off, almost as payback."

Like, those Robert Kardashian scenes are just crazy to watch...the last 3-4 episodes, the way he's just dead quiet around him, it makes it appear that he OBVIOUSLY felt OJ was guilty. And for that to be his best friend, that leads the viewers to say "yeah, he did it if his best friend doesn't even think he's innocent."

Also, with the evidence, I feel they don't really emphasize how much was planted, or could have been planted, even with Furhman's dumb ass pleading the fif.
12999390, I feel that's the underlying narrative
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Apr-05-16 06:03 PM
>SO MUCH about Race, and as if the jurors were too racially
>blinded to make a logical decision.

it's not so much that the defense appealed to racial issues (because they certainly did. F. Lee basically set up Fuhrman to out himself as a liar off racial shit)

BUT the narrative of the jury being too racially blinded was some bullshit. that, I do feel is creeping up. as if "black people can't see anything but race"
12999415, Yep. And I notice it because Black people who are my/our age
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Apr-05-16 06:59 PM
that weren't really there to see how it went in 95 almost look at it like they would see the whole case with so much more logic now. I'm like nah...not only were times different, but we had legit reasons for feeling OJ didn't do it, even beyond just thinking it was a LAPD setup.
13000049, OJ was innocent,however Race played a huge role period
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Wed Apr-06-16 07:52 PM
and it was brought all the way home. and it was story and theme which the presecution didn't want brought up because it caught them off guard how all the dots connected and pun intended did fit.
13000050, the fist up from the juror to OJ after the verdict was read...
Posted by Amritsar, Wed Apr-06-16 07:54 PM
not sure if that really happened, but it feels like another heavy-handed attempt by the show to emphasize how much race influenced the trial


we get it guys lol
13000090, the brother did throw the fist up after the verdict
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Wed Apr-06-16 10:43 PM
and it caught OJ off guard. that was real. i remember the Brother talking about it. and the trial as race based and those White folks got back at OJ during the civil trial best believe
13000093, NYT wrote it up at the time
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Apr-06-16 10:45 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/04/us/not-guilty-the-jury-one-juror-smiled-then-they-knew.html

the only "crazy" thing I've seen in the show that def did not happen was the lawyer passing out in the courtroom

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13002120, the 'birthday party' with Darden and Clark was also in that box
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Apr-11-16 09:23 AM
>the only "crazy" thing I've seen in the show that def did not
>happen was the lawyer passing out in the courtroom

that was 100% bullshit. the scene after I wouldn't doubt happened (where Darden whiffs at the come-on) but bringing her into that party...NAH
13001918, It happened but it was the left hand not the right
Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Apr-10-16 10:22 AM
He also winked and nodded at OJ before the verdict was read
13000094, what facts have you read that were presented at the trial
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Apr-06-16 10:48 PM
that make you think OJ was innocent.

I thought the show did a good job of showing that it in fact was about more than race, that there were a ton of elements that brought at least reasonable doubt into the jury's mind.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12999397, pretty good podcast discussion from vulture (link)
Posted by now or never, Tue Apr-05-16 06:15 PM
they talk about the season and then they talk to anthony hemingway at the end
he directed like five eps
i aint know he was black
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/people-v-oj-simpson-american-crime-story-huge-first-season.html
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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.
13002039, dude is on a fucking roll between this and underground
Posted by naame, Sun Apr-10-16 10:03 PM
plus he did work for the wire sooo...
12999461, Ahhhhhh.....
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Apr-05-16 09:24 PM
Yes, he said it.
You knew he was gonna say it.

But they skipped right over the 15 points of ether and made it a purely "emotional" argument. That line was about the evidence, not the glove.
12999464, That jury scene was excellent, though
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Apr-05-16 09:33 PM
made up for the "crimes of omission"
12999468, this seems like a David Fincher production
Posted by rdhull, Tue Apr-05-16 09:56 PM
12999481, aint no sunshine...really yall??
Posted by rdhull, Tue Apr-05-16 10:34 PM
12999482, they had to walk a thin line, but I dug it.
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Apr-05-16 10:35 PM
great performances from just about everybody involved.
13000031, "Now watch this drive" - W.. i mean, OJ
Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Apr-06-16 05:48 PM
*puts music back on*
13000076, that eldest son
Posted by rdhull, Wed Apr-06-16 09:33 PM
13001760, My Wife and I loved it
Posted by nipsey, Sat Apr-09-16 11:38 AM
It started off campy the first couple of episodes but it took a leap when "Johnnie Cochran" entered the scene and it hit its stride midway through the run. Sarah Paulson, Courtney B. Vance and Sterling K. Brown are guaranteed Emmys as far as I'm concerned. They were better than excellent.

As far as the murder, chase and trial, I was in College when all of this went down, so I remember a lot of it, but watching this show reminded me of how surreal that trial was. So much stuff happened that if it weren't real life, you wouldn't believe it possible.

We did a recap of the show on our podcast if anyone is interested. Links below.

On iTunes: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-17-iTunes
On Stitcher: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-17-Stitcher
On TuneIn: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-17-TuneIn
On Soundcloud: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-17-Soundcloud
On Podbean: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-17-Podbean
13001933, What do y'all feel about the theory that the underworld....
Posted by The Wordsmith, Sun Apr-10-16 12:31 PM
...had something to do with those murders? The belief that Nicole ran in the wrong circles and owed money for drugs?



Since 1976
13001935, it's dumb
Posted by rdhull, Sun Apr-10-16 12:52 PM
>...had something to do with those murders? The belief that
>Nicole ran in the wrong circles and owed money for drugs?
>
>
>
>Since 1976
13001977, it's not.
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Sun Apr-10-16 04:36 PM
13002029, yeah it is
Posted by rdhull, Sun Apr-10-16 09:03 PM
>
13002002, Not really. Not when you see that.....
Posted by The Wordsmith, Sun Apr-10-16 06:40 PM
...folks who were in Nicole's and Ron's circle were murdered before and after their deaths, Nicole's drug abuse, and their dealings with those in the criminal underworld whom she may have owed.



Since 1976
13002028, oh really?
Posted by rdhull, Sun Apr-10-16 09:00 PM
>...folks who were in Nicole's and Ron's circle were murdered
>before and after their deaths, Nicole's drug abuse, and their
>dealings with those in the criminal underworld whom she may
>have owed.
>
>
>
>Since 1976
13002033, I watched a documentary on Discovery I.D. channel...
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Apr-10-16 09:41 PM
about a dude who basically chronicled the life of his brother, a convicted serial killer. Dude is currently in prison, said to have murdered over 70 people. He has confessed that it was him, that killed Nicole and Ron...FOR OJ. His brother said he wrote him when he was in California saying how he was hanging out and partying on the regular with Nicole Brown and Faye Resnick...and how he was gonna take her down. According to the guy, they were huge druggies and partied hard. The brother even said dude stole some jewelry from Nicole's house after the murders and sent it home to their mom. It was a lot more. Stuff about how OJ was at the scene after it went down, details about exactly how he killed them and all.
13002041, geezus
Posted by rdhull, Sun Apr-10-16 10:15 PM
>about a dude who basically chronicled the life of his
>brother, a convicted serial killer. Dude is currently in
>prison, said to have murdered over 70 people. He has
>confessed that it was him, that killed Nicole and Ron...FOR
>OJ. His brother said he wrote him when he was in California
>saying how he was hanging out and partying on the regular with
>Nicole Brown and Faye Resnick...and how he was gonna take her
>down. According to the guy, they were huge druggies and
>partied hard. The brother even said dude stole some jewelry
>from Nicole's house after the murders and sent it home to
>their mom. It was a lot more. Stuff about how OJ was at the
>scene after it went down, details about exactly how he killed
>them and all.
13002131, i buy it.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Apr-11-16 09:36 AM
i believe that was a professional hit.
13002135, the relative 'cleanliness' of it makes me believe the same.
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Apr-11-16 09:37 AM
13002698, i feel that Robert K knew more than what he could ever say
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Mon Apr-11-16 11:13 PM
yeah it was done so good that it automatically point to OJ because to many things point to a HIt Hit. and not somebody just acting out of anger.

this was a Pro Hit.
13002038, Courtney B Vance is awesome in this
Posted by wluv, Sun Apr-10-16 09:59 PM
He absolutely nailed Cochran.

Great series.