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12910106, what happens to out-dated illicit drugs?
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:02 AM
where have all the quaaludes gone?

are they still making lsd?

what if i wanted some barbiturates? do i have to go to Mexico?

i ask b/c a client recently tested positive for pcp while on probation. pcp. in 2015. i asked if she brought it back in the Delorean. b/c where does a person find pcp in 2015?

12910109, Dusty niggas do dust. There will always be a market
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 11:05 AM
12910114, i'm surprised anyone still makes it.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:09 AM
12910132, whuuuut? its niggas and messicans in LA still smokin water
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Oct-13-15 11:34 AM
12910148, its niggas in Chicago still smoking it too.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:43 AM
apparently.

i'm surprised.

12910165, It's big in Houston too
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Oct-13-15 12:02 PM
12910167, anywhere with a bunch of dusty niggas
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 12:04 PM
12910169, Lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Oct-13-15 12:06 PM
12910110, RE: I knew a dude who was very into psychedelics.
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 11:06 AM
Smoked weed every day. Dropped acid once every few months. Mushrooms every couple weeks.

They're still out there.



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910112, a friend who deals w/undergrads mentioned lsd the other week.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:08 AM
apparently some college kids are still into it. so i guess if i wanted some of that i'd have him hunt for me on his college campus.
12910115, RE: It was pretty fun and intense when I tried it.
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 11:11 AM
But once was enough for me.



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910121, i have plenty experience w/it.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:23 AM
enough that i don't want to use it again.
12910133, I can't imagine dropping acid past the age of 25
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 11:34 AM
and I'm not one who likes putting arbitrary age cut-offs on things.
12910136, RE: This dude mentioned above is in his 40's.
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 11:36 AM
Holds down a job, owns a house and is generally a "successful" person.



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910142, i did. and i know several ppl who have.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:40 AM
i'm not into lsd anymore b/c the last stuff i used was so strong i didn't enjoy it.
12910191, i know *exactly* what you mean
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 12:23 PM
when you're young and eager and have the right mindset, LSD is a beautiful fucking thing. when you have real shit to worry about and/or you've lived a little, it might get too intense. it's not like shrooms either where you can kinda fight the trip and neutralize it. buy the ticket, take the ride. i never had a negative experience with either but i also do not want to. i did both past 25 but not much past, maybe like 27. once i took them together, whoa, that was explosive even with a smaller-than-usual dose of each. taking LSD and E together is pretty awesome, it ensures a positive vibe and they have a synergistic reaction as well.
12910149, never dropped...but been thinking about trying
Posted by dapitts08, Tue Oct-13-15 11:44 AM
but now lol maybe not after your comment
i love shrooms so was thinking about giving it a spin
kind of been toying with experimenting with psychadelics albeit infrequently
12910152, if you dig shrooms it's worth trying.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:46 AM
but try it w/an experienced, trusted guide in a safe environment.
12910168, word. thanks. sound advice.
Posted by dapitts08, Tue Oct-13-15 12:05 PM
12910206, just say yes
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 12:32 PM
different level than mushies, worth doing for sure
12910113, blue magic, baby
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Oct-13-15 11:08 AM
12910117, Good question....i prolly couldn't find any of the above in town
Posted by ambient1, Tue Oct-13-15 11:13 AM
if I tried


12910122, that's one reason i'm surprised by this pcp client.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:23 AM
lol
12910118, I read that acid has largely disappeared because penalties are too high
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 11:13 AM
And profits are too low. Dudes were getting life for a fucking $200 sheet. And there aren't any addicts so volume will never make up for slim margins.
12910123, some college kids still use it.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:24 AM
i just learned that via a friend a couple of weeks ago.
12910127, I know, but it's very scarce now
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 11:29 AM
http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/09/the-world-is-running-out-of-lsd-apparently-5016088/

Apparently the major manufacturer is gone.
12910129, yes but it was 'the drug of summer 2015' in the UK.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:32 AM
http://thetab.com/2015/07/30/a-new-summer-of-love-lsd-use-hits-record-high-for-15-years-47199
12910130, Yeah because ONE GUY was making a substantial amount
Posted by Hitokiri, Tue Oct-13-15 11:32 AM
of the world's supply. Which crazy to think about.
12910151, William Leonard Pickard
Posted by Walleye, Tue Oct-13-15 11:45 AM
This is one of the more entertaining wiki-holes to go down:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Leonard_Pickard
12910124, Is there a legit use for sherm?
Posted by bigkarma, Tue Oct-13-15 11:26 AM
I know ludes are almost impossible to find because they banned them in the US for pharmaceutical use. Same with acid. Anything you find now is a homebrew.

But vets still use ketamine, so even though it's passé, it's still around.
12910128, pcp = schedule ii
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:30 AM
which means it has some medical use. i dunno what. i believe i've read that it has some veterinary use as a tranquilizer.

http://www.dea.gov/druginfo/ds.shtml
12910131, its embalming fluid nephew
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Oct-13-15 11:32 AM
12910138, it isn't.
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 11:36 AM
niggas can and do smoke embalming fluid and get similar effects, but it's not pcp.
12910141, RE: it isn't.
Posted by Big Kuntry, Tue Oct-13-15 11:40 AM
boat is pcp & boat is embalming fluid ; same as water & the rest of that shit
12910145, pcp is NOT embalming fluid.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:41 AM
12910146, k
Posted by Big Kuntry, Tue Oct-13-15 11:42 AM
12910140, it's a tranquilizer.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:39 AM
the embalming fluid thing is a long-standing myth.

http://matadornetwork.com/nights/lies-misconceptions-and-urban-myths-about-your-favorite-drugs/
12910144, There's a difference
Posted by bigkarma, Tue Oct-13-15 11:41 AM
Just looked it up...

Originally PCP was used for people as an anesthetic. That was banned, but some overseas vets still use it, so that's why it's still manufactured.

It's used by dipping a cig or joint in it...that's sherm, wet, love boat...etc..

from wiki..
Embalming fluid

A commonly held misconception is that phencyclidine (PCP, angel dust) is the same as (or is synthesized from) embalming fluid. Some people, believing this myth, have actually attempted to smoke cigarettes or cannabis dipped in real embalming fluid (i.e. formaldehyde), which is highly toxic. Conversely, some users of PCP-laced cannabis believe (and are often told) that it contains embalming fluid proper and not PCP, or that the slang term "dust" really means embalming fluid proper. Sometimes, the two substances are even mixed together, in a further ostension of this legend. Such concoctions are often called "fry," "wet," "illy," "sherm," "worm," "water-water," "amp," "dust(ed)," or other names.
12910155, I learned from Master P - Bout it
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Oct-13-15 11:50 AM
You best not fuck with them fools that gone on that water, water
I mean that clicker juice, fermaldahide
Whatever you want, the more they dip in cigarettes to get high
Like some alcohol, niggas don't even give a fuck


12910137, It'll come back around.
Posted by Big Kuntry, Tue Oct-13-15 11:36 AM
12910143, up in this post like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fkHhDwFbc
Posted by double negative, Tue Oct-13-15 11:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fkHhDwFbc
12910156, RE: Where does salvia fall in all this?
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 11:53 AM
Was that just a flash in the pan?



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910158, good one.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 11:54 AM
12910159, I did it a couple of times and never got "high"
Posted by John Forte, Tue Oct-13-15 11:56 AM
disjointed or disoriented, maybe, but surely not "high".
12910186, RE: The stories I heard were all bad, so when I was offered. . .
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 12:18 PM
. . .I declined.



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910193, how strong was the extract?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 12:24 PM
IMO anything less than 10X and you will just feel weird. i think it's a pretty crappy drug. it also tastes/smells bad.
12910540, Mix a decent strength standardized extract with some herb.
Posted by J305, Wed Oct-14-15 12:15 AM
You also need a high heat source, i.e. bowl w/ a lighter (or torch). You prolly won't get the same effects if you mix it in a j, b/c it has a higher vaporizing point:

http://www.sagewisdom.org/smokeadvice.html

In my younger days I've had legit visionary experiences off that combo. Strong OEV, audio, the whole nine.
12910269, i used to have a friend who always had strong salvia, but never used it himself
Posted by veritas, Tue Oct-13-15 01:07 PM
he got off on giving people their first ever strong dose of salvia and watching them.

i never went for it.
12910545, You can still get it in stores in Toronto.
Posted by denny, Wed Oct-14-15 12:31 AM
I tried it once. Kinda reminded me of huffing glue which i did a few times when i was a kid.
12910174, We gon hit a stick, all of it, not a little bit
Posted by Paps_Smear, Tue Oct-13-15 12:09 PM
https://youtu.be/sMsgO3Ti3Nc
12910181, sherrrrrrrrm stiiiiiiiiiiicc
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Oct-13-15 12:14 PM
when that song came out only the most not give a fuckinest dudes in the hood would be smoking dippers.
12910204, LOL he loved that "Lovely"
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 12:32 PM
Jayo was hard as fuck lol, so underrated.
12910188, drugs hardly ever go out of style
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 12:20 PM
>where have all the quaaludes gone?

this is a great question, basically they have been replaced by other drugs and those drugs also get abused. i heard they are still available in some countries. my buddy's dad swears we missed the fuck out on ludes, but then again now he takes an ambien when he *wakes up*.

>are they still making lsd?

yes, absolutely. in the 70s there was basically a deal cut that weakened doses considerably and that has remained the "industry standard." in other countries you can still get the old-school strength. like in south america the LSD is WAY stronger than the stuff in the states, like 3-4 times as heavy on average, which is what it was in the 60s. there are still people out there making the common types of lsd (25, 26, 27) and candy flip type pills also.

>what if i wanted some barbiturates? do i have to go to
>Mexico?

again kind of an outdated pharma thing but i bet it's still produced somewhere.

>i ask b/c a client recently tested positive for pcp while on
>probation. pcp. in 2015. i asked if she brought it back in
>the Delorean. b/c where does a person find pcp in 2015?

i still occasionally hear of fools smoking sherm in pomona and east L.A. it must still be out there. K, 2CB, all that shit, it's still a thing somewhere.
12910244, Older people speak so fondly of Ludes
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Oct-13-15 12:51 PM
As a great high for a relatively cheap price. It's weird how they just dropped off the earth, and there doesn't seem to be an equivalent replacement.
12910255, RE: I'm too young. . .
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 12:56 PM
. . .what were they, exactly?



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910506, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Tue Oct-13-15 09:55 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone
12910202, anybody ever fuck with DMT or 2CB?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 12:31 PM
the real, real DMT is hard to find the synthesized one pops up here and there. the natural one (you combined with ayahuasca to make the OG DMT compound) you can find in some of the forests in colombia, peru, etc but that sounds hairy. it's really fucking crazy, if you have ever ridden montezuma's revenge (the rollercoaster) that gives you an idea. from the second you exhale it slaps you in the fucking face and everything moves super fast. it's kind of like in the matrix when the dude learns how to speak chinese and do five styles of martial arts in like 30 seconds. it's all happening too fast to hear let alone repeat, yet your mind processes it. if you close your eyes, you see all sorts of vivid colors in kaleidoscope patterns. several people say they hear women's voices, like sirens, too. opening your eyes i wouldnt bother with but it's pretty fucking crazy, too, everything looks like it is melting.

2CB is more of a club drug and it's pretty fun. the same guy who invented MDA and MDMA came up with it. it's only popular in certain places but it's fun for clubbing, sex, etc, IMO better than E, especially for men. you get this warm sensation at first and then you start to "float." like if you're seated you feel like you're rising up even if you're sinking, and if you're standing you kind of feel like the puck on an air hockey table, slightly but clearly elevated. it has a nice euphoric feeling and makes you sensitive to touch like E. if you take big enough dose, you will also hallucinate moderately and you can shut your eyes and kind of fall into a "hole" (not as intense as a K hole but more pleasant).

not that i'm speaking from experience or anything.
12910267, i wanna try 2CB.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 01:05 PM
DMT sounds like the trip Homer had on the Simpsons after he ate that ghost pepper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BceHGzsDVLY
12910353, Jmmm, it's kinda like that but not really, it's over very fast
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 03:14 PM
The real deal is like 15-30 minutes, the synthetic one is more like five *maybe* ten if you really nail it. You have to "break through" though, otherwise you will just feel kind of halfassed, sweaty and weird. When you do break through it's intense as fuck and then it's over. Seriously like a rollercoaster. The weird thing is that there is almost zero hangover, maybe like a ten-minute readjustment period to reality and then you're fine. I guess that is why they called it the businessman's LSD when it was somewhat popular.

2CB is pretty expensive but the doses are small. You can get 20 doses out of one gram I would estimate. It has gotten popular in some poorer countries as a rich person's drug (like club kids, high class prostitutes, etc) and there it's cheaper like $30-$50 a gram, but I heard in Europe it sells between 100 and 300 Euro depending on where you get it. It's fun, especially fun for getting it in, not feminizing and fluttery like MDA or MDMA.
12910439, no, thanks.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 06:47 PM
12910444, RE: Jmmm, it's kinda like that but not really, it's over very fast
Posted by double 0, Tue Oct-13-15 07:11 PM
Is it really like the netflix doc?? Like where u feel fully in another dimension and all feelings of being in a physical body are gone?
12910447, RE: I've experienced that while sober.
Posted by Austin, Tue Oct-13-15 07:16 PM
>feelings of being in a physical
>body are gone?

Too much sci-fi and shoegaze for me.



"1) God doesn't exist

2) And anyhow he's stupid"
—Philip K. Dick

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933
12910489, Kinda, like you have a sort of out-of-body, out-of-reality experience
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 09:08 PM
I didn't see the doc though. You definitely feel a separation of mind and body although that happens with a strong enough dose of LSD, too. And yeah if you break through and you're able to focus, you feel like you're on some alternate plane of reality where all sorts of shit is being revealed to you. Physically you can of feel like you're floating and sinking at the same time, I don't know how to explain it. Like you feel your body sinking into where you're sitting but at the same time you have this ascending feeling. I recommend either a pretty big dose and just closing your eyes or a more moderate dose and being in nature. One time I was with my GF and we saw a gorgeous sunset while doing it. It was a little intense for her, like afterward she went to sleep (it was probably 7:30 at night).

Don't do it in a room full of people, that is a mistake. Chill with one or two other friends and take turns doing it. It also tastes, smells and feels weird, but you forget about that *very* quickly. You also have auditory hallucinations (something that happens with 2CB also, in addition to affecting your depth perception and balance), pretty strong ones actually. It's a five-sensory trip but I don't know if you're unaware or hyper aware. Like I said, a lot is going on and you can't process it in real time, it's happening too fast.
12910279, "GIVE HIM SOME MILK!"
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Oct-13-15 01:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD7FOL-H-Lo
12910290, it's around
Posted by boyd, Tue Oct-13-15 01:43 PM
just gotta know where and who to asked
12910358, acid is still gettin made
Posted by Madvillain 626, Tue Oct-13-15 03:15 PM
i live in cali tho
12910455, 90's party/rave heads: what's the diff between rolls, beans, x, and molly?
Posted by j., Tue Oct-13-15 07:37 PM
We called Ecstasy rolls and beans. The news called it X
nobody mentions them anymore, now it's just molly
same shit? what's the diff?
12910458, there is absolutely no difference.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 07:45 PM
the kids think molly (aka powdered ecstasy) is 'pure'...b/c their drug dealers tell them it is.

guess what? way back in the wayback our drug dealers told us pills were pure.

it turns out molly is just as likely to be stepped on (aka cut w/substances other than MDMA) as anything else sold as ecstasy (http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/10/25/molly_mdma_the_club_drug_is_dangerous_but_not_for_the_reasons_you_d_think.html).

also back then i regularly had access to powdered 'pure' ecstasy in capsules. so kids having access to powdered MDMA isn't a new thing at all.

12910462, The other big ones in the scene were GHB and K
Posted by j., Tue Oct-13-15 07:56 PM
I never did that shit, being around ravers when they were trippin balls on G or lost in the K hole I was like I'll pass

I remember there was a big bust at club space in MIA, an Israeli ring was bringing in rolls by the fuckton
12910463, i've had enough of both.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Oct-13-15 07:58 PM
meh.

they're not for me.
12910508, i hated everyone of my friends that did GHB
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Tue Oct-13-15 09:56 PM
its like dealing with a bad drunk
12910586, yup.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-14-15 06:30 AM
12910504, I used to sell powdered MDMA small-time during the late 90's
Posted by denny, Tue Oct-13-15 09:50 PM
I'd be surprised if it was pure....but everyone sure as hell said it was so.

It was particularly nice though with no side-effects like teeth-grinding. I've never found E or Molly or whatever else they call it that was similar to that stuff. Everything just feels REALLY dirty to me. Alot of Molly going around Toronto is this brown shit that is kinda like a crystallized tar. I tried doing it twice and then just gave the rest away. I was getting fucked up....but it was NOT inducing a good mood. More like an anxious/speedy/amphetamine type of feeling that I wanted to go away as soon as it kicked in.
12910529, the big difference to me is that ...
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 11:37 PM
in the past shit was pretty well controlled, you had a good number of presses, pills, whatever that were known and reviewed and verifiable. with the capsules and powders, it's a crap shoot, and there is a proliferation of shoddy pills now, too. i am not into this shit but i know a lot of people who are and comparing the scene now to then, that's the major difference i see. most of a street drug than a community thing now.
12910566, Not sure if you heard....
Posted by denny, Wed Oct-14-15 04:01 AM
But our guy Westhead broke the story about cocaine use in the NHL last week. He talked a lot about how much modern coke is cut with Levamisole which is just some nasty-ass shit. Toronto police were saying that a lot of the street coke is at least 30% levamisole. Often higher. That shit is WORSE for you than cocaine is.
12910628, In most cases the adulterants are worse than the substance
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Oct-14-15 08:44 AM
I saw a Russian doctor talking about how that nasty krokodril (sp?) crap would be safe for human consumption if it were made properly in a lab instead of some nutjob's kitchen.

Isn't levasimole a thing for like parasites? All kinds of shit goes into coke, another reason it's a nasty drug to do especially on a regular basis. Baby laxative, lighter fluid, etc. The purity is not good in most parts of the world, like I was in Colorado a few years ago and the shit the kids were snorting was maybe 10% coke.

The coke thing in the NHL is a touchy thing. Last year I almost wrote a story on two players (one of whom has since been in the news) and their coke use but it would have used a lot of iffy sources, burned a lot of bridges and generally been some snitch shit. Now it's all over the news. I feel like the whole "cocaine use is up" seems like it may be suspect because in the ten years I've had any kind of contact with the league, it seems like a good number of guys were doing it (and in the 70s and 80s we know a lot were, too, remember the Sandersons and Fuhrs and so on).

The thing I don't like now is that the league had a very progressive drug policy and now I think that will become more conservative. I am all for a more hands-on approach from teams and more education/counseling programs. But I don't think they should try to chase a moving target with a bunch of extra testing and sanctions and stuff.

12910490, IMO the quality has declined considerably since those days
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Oct-13-15 09:13 PM
Late 90s/early 00s I used to party at big festivals and raves and shit. You had DanceSafe and you had some killer quality stuff. Now there is a lot of crap out there. At first the molly capsules were a cleaner, purer high in general, although sometimes they felt a little sterile. Now there is some real shit out there. I seldom fuck with anything like that now but my younger friends all do. It's a shame to see the quality of both capsules and presses declining. Too much of a mainstream thing now, I think, and people are all drinking on it, which is stupid.
12910542, They addressed the quaaludes thing in Wolf of Wall Street
Posted by J305, Wed Oct-14-15 12:20 AM
not sure if there's any truth in it but they basically said they aren't getting made anymore. Some of the funniest scenes in the movie revolve around them.

>what if i wanted some barbiturates? do i have to go to
>Mexico?

Isn't that what bored housewives take? Or am I mixing that up w/ something else?
12910563, Acid definitely happens over here.
Posted by TheAlbionist, Wed Oct-14-15 03:37 AM
Not sure I've ever seen PCP though.

Quaaludes.. I think they really did go extinct.*




*I may be basing this solely off Wolf of Wall Street though.