what do you think?

Poll question: conditions for Black people today compared to 1995

Poll result (37 votes) for the most part, most Black people are doing better today (17 votes) Vote Black people ain't made much progress collectively since '95 (7 votes) Vote shit got worse (10 votes) Vote actually, slavery was the best thing that could have happened to us (c) BC (3 votes) Vote

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have been through the prison system and grew up without both parents at home.

median income, home ownership rates etc may have gone up but a lot of those figures don't count those who are incarcerated or aren't in the workforce.

right now 40% of black men are in prison or have had felonies and most of those people aren't doing shit with their lives.

educated blacks in their childbearing years are more likely to have heavy student loan burdens and are giving birth to fewer to children if ANY.

the NUMBER of black women giving birth of of wedlock is actually going DOWN.

But low income, less educated black women are outbreeding the educated upper income married black women....

and that is the reason 70-80% of black children are born outside of marriage.

we are so much worse off, but people can't see it. they're too busy watching celebrities on reality tv and on facebook and instagram.

She folds and irons clothes in the day time and crunches damaging stats about negros in the evenings.

http://blackdemographics.com/black-male-statistics/

About 6% of working-age (18-64yrs old) Black men are currently in state or federal prison, or in a municipal jail (see chart right). This is three times higher than the 2% of ‘all men’ in the same age group. What’s even more concerning is that approximately 34%* of all working-age Black men who are not incarcerated are ex-offenders compared to 12% of ‘all men’ which means they have at one point in their lives been convicted of a felony. This data coincides with the increased absence of Black men in the labor force because ex-offenders are prevented from obtaining a large percentage of occupations either by law and are often legally discriminated against by private employers


http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/19/rand-paul-one-in-three-black-men-served-time-time-to-re-enfranchise-ex-felons/

Wouldn't it be important to give that number as well?

Funny thing is....


people swear we had some 'good ol days' at some point...

no the hell we didn't

might be a case of wearing rose-colored glasses when you're looking at things in retrospect...

I mean unless we goin back to the kingdom of mali or something...lol

but here...in America??

nah


we had jobs in the 40s 50s n 60s yet we were getting hosed down, hung and all that other stuff

70s jobs left...we had 'fun'...but we were getting snubbed by the man

80s ...drugs

90s ...Rodney king let us know shit still aint sweet...but better than before


so forth an so on

the awakening is just getting to the early 90s level.

recovered from the economic recession in 08

Our unemployment is still almost 2x as high as the national average

There's been an uptick of the number of blk ppl who are homeless

More blk MEN and WOMEN are incarcerated today than 20 yrs ago

More blk male teens are dropping out of high school

Blk on blk violent crimes are still a problem for many of the major cities

We are NOT better off today - in many ways we are regressing


>what do you think?

cause this says otherwise.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16

Do the numbers (as compared to 1995) account for population increase.

Never has been. In order for things to be better people who are classified as black would have to be closer to enjoying the same level of treatment as those classified as white -- this will never happen nor is it close to happening e.g. James Blake, therefore the question is moot.

http://billmoyers.com/content/the-color-of-debt-how-collection-suits-squeeze-black-neighborhoods/

For example:
"By any measure, black households are worse off financially than white ones. They make, on average, far less money. But more pernicious is the vastly larger gap in wealth between whites and blacks — a divide that is wider than it was 30 years ago.
The source of this disparity is as deep as the nation’s history, said William A. Darity Jr., a professor of economics and public policy at Duke University. And addressing it is not as straightforward as improving employment or education among blacks.

It stems largely from “differences in the capacity of one generation of parents to transfer their resources to the next,” Darity said. “And those differences are strongly associated with race.”"

and

"Today, the typical black household has a net worth of $11,000, while that of a typical white household is $141,900. As a result, while the budget is often tight for any low- or middle-income household, black households are less likely to have resources to draw on when they need it."

we still fighting and battling
and dealing with racism which never is going away.

WHite AMerica still stays in denial
and its a reality of the economics.

same ole politics.

Money pool is bigger but income gap is worse
schools is worse
Media, police/prison system, housing market, political landscape probably slightly worse or basically no change


Essentially there is more opportunity but less unity, collectivism, awareness, etc

the ILLUSION that things are better collectively by letting more individuals "win". and so many people fall for that shit (like everybody voting red)

smh

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

>Essentially there is more opportunity but less unity,
>collectivism, awareness, etc

the ceiling is higher but the climb to the top is just as hard as it's always been

and mass incarceration

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

it implies that people shouldnt be complaining about current conditions cuz 'things are better'

what exactly does that accomplish?

Black men, right now, are under literal direct attack from law enforcement

Black people's right to vote, right now, is under literal and direct attack from the Republican Party

i could go on and on...so what does whether or not things are better than in 1995 have to do with right now?

if the answer is to your poll yes, who is that helping?

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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

I wanna think 'we've come a long way, baby.' but something in my spirit say this is just a modern version of the same old shit. It FEELS like progress because we have progressed in age and our technological and social advances would tell us 'this is different'.


But it's still the same white people that's been running shxt and getting promotions since I was a kid, and none of them have/have ever had 'our' best interests at heart any further than it benefits 'the other side.

'You' can make it, like another poster said; but 'we' can't. Not the way America is set up.

Any sense of collective identity is in more disarray.

There are more divisions within the so called Black American group than ever before and people playing sides with the oppressor for trinkets(BLM leadership).

The collective ownership so called Black people have has not changed since the 20th century.

Things are much worse so bad in fact folks with money and any semblance of awareness are looking overseas.

you're gonna get this wrong
We are muuuuch worse off than 95.

I remember when crack hit my neighborhood it was like 87 or when I noticed.

Today it's much worse.

and have more millionaires/billionaires and elected officials