Maybe I'm not up on her that much outside of her relationships but I never bought her sincerity. But more power to her for making the most of her 15 min.

If I wasn't in New Orleans, I'd have checked that out

http://laist.com/2015/10/04/photos_amber_rose_slutwalk.php#photo-1

She's famous... Legitimately


The slut walk is not owned by her. It already exists..

Yall young ninjaz man...I swear.....

then talk about it vaguely and not provide a link so others will know what he is talking about.

And no, I'm not pro slut shaming. Like I said. I just never bought Amber's sincerity on the issue. Maybe/Hopefully I'm wrong

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-amber-rose-slut-walk-20151003-story.html

Current lady, who's rise to fame parallels the popularity of her sex tape, said he needed thirty showers before she would sleep with him.
If that's not some slut shaming then what is?
And how do you benefit from doubt of a person over support for an issue?

>And how do you benefit from doubt of a person over support for
>an issue?


How do we benefit from 90% of the stuff we discuss here? I don't think sharing
thoughts, sidebars, random thoughts, etc is about benefits... other than human communication.

Trouble starting. This week we had someone call Aliyah damaged goods for example.
It seems like any time there's a topic on women there's more loud and wrong voices coming in with the "just saying" narrative than any kind of real discussion.
And over the years this site has been shedding women to the point of non existence.
A huge portion of that is that there's consistently a tinge of disdain for women here.

For me it just gets old. I stop wanting to be associated the people here.

>Trouble starting. This week we had someone call Aliyah
>damaged goods for example.
>It seems like any time there's a topic on women there's more
>loud and wrong voices coming in with the "just saying"
>narrative than any kind of real discussion.
>And over the years this site has been shedding women to the
>point of non existence.
>A huge portion of that is that there's consistently a tinge of
>disdain for women here.
>
>For me it just gets old. I stop wanting to be associated the
>people here.
>
>

Lol...I'm almost positive I'm older than you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RokRDF3Rkfc

and the reason for their name is very deliberate. it came out of an incident in Toronto where a police officer told female university students that they should avoid dressing like sluts, in order not to be sexually assaulted.

Shit was hilarious but he
was on point tho.

.

done cut everybody off on some "naw naw fuck that"

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The movement comes off as the protesting for the right to behave and dress anyway a woman choses without being called a slut.

I could be wrong but thats what I get from it whenever I see it in the media.

If it's primarily about rape then that would come as news to me which I thnk says something about the effectiveness of its strategy.


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"OMG ARE YOU DISMISSING RAPE AS A SERIOUS ISSUE?!!?"

Of course not, but you haven't said anything about rape until I call bullshit on
your presentation. I saw that funny or die skit and was like... yeah I'm good.
If she had something to say about a serious issue, that was a good time... just
suggesting a written statistic on the screen at the end of the skit or something would
have been VERY effective.

Like a decade. It's okay if y'all didn't know about it but no one is trying to "set you up." Just say this is some shit you didn't know about. Lol
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That's mighty white of you

Wake up tho lol

touché

If so the fact that it's been around for years and folks think it's about slut spamming speaks to its effectiveness.


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I didn't know it started here....apparently it did.

It's gotten major newspaper and 6 oclock news coverage in the past. Of course, all of out alternative news sources cover it heavily. Front page of Now magazine and Eye and our LGBT 'Extra'. My perception is that just about everybody here has heard of it....not just activist types. It gets debated about on all the talkshows and all that. Not just leftist ones. It is kinda one of those 'same debate every year' type of things where all the pundits take up predictable positions..

Admittedly, I had to look it up. I had remembered it was in response to a police statement but couldn't remember the exact circumstances. 2011.... a cop said “women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized“. So the issue of rape/sexual assault WAS part of the inspiration for it. My SO has marched in it with her daughter. I support it. That statement is highly offensive....don't you agree?

My point is that messaging appears to get a bit lost in people talking about it because people may have heard of the walk but I don't think people are generally aware it's about rape.




>I didn't know it started here....apparently it did.
>
>It's gotten major newspaper and 6 oclock news coverage in the
>past. Of course, all of out alternative news sources cover it
>heavily. Front page of Now magazine and Eye and our LGBT
>'Extra'. My perception is that just about everybody here has
>heard of it....not just activist types. It gets debated about
>on all the talkshows and all that. Not just leftist ones. It
>is kinda one of those 'same debate every year' type of things
>where all the pundits take up predictable positions..
>
>Admittedly, I had to look it up. I had remembered it was in
>response to a police statement but couldn't remember the exact
>circumstances. 2011.... a cop said “women should avoid
>dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized“. So the
>issue of rape/sexual assault WAS part of the inspiration for
>it. My SO has marched in it with her daughter. I support it.
> That statement is highly offensive....don't you agree?


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Women in rural Pakistan are openly beaten in public by groups of men if they are seen to be dressed or acting inappropriately. I'm saying that like you don't know about it. I'm sure you do. If anything, the issue that the march addresses is LESS of a problem in wealthy western countries...though still prevalent in the undertones of our presumptions and perceptions.

But there's no doubt that the idea that women invite or 'deserve' assault with the way they dress and behave is a more severe problem in poor countries.

The way I've seen it framed as the right to act and dress a certain way without being called a slut. But what you describe is definitely on the same continuum.


I still believe that the messaging is kind of lost in the presentation but yeah.


>Women in rural Pakistan are openly beaten in public by groups
>of men if they are seen to be dressed or acting
>inappropriately. I'm saying that like you don't know about
>it. I'm sure you do. If anything, the issue that the march
>addresses is LESS of a problem in wealthy western
>countries...though still prevalent in the undertones of our
>presumptions and perceptions.
>
>But there's no doubt that the idea that women invite or
>'deserve' assault with the way they dress and behave is a more
>severe problem in poor countries.


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.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

it's a good cause, she's completely the wrong face of it.

the usual characters will be here defending it Monday morning too

Because she's a SLUT...Remember...she took her clothes off as a stripper. She has a fat ass and nice tits...Oh...and dont forget she twerks and fucks rappers....

Yaaaaaay!!!!!

you cant be a poor role model for women then stand behind a righteous cause

well you can, but it's hypocritical

I shouldnt have to explain the poor role model part, but I'd be glad to should you wish for me to expound more

She just happens to be a face among many.

Role model?...lol...

That has nothing to do with a woman saying just because I was an ex stripper and take nude photos that I was ASKING FOR IT...

That's the premise behind the Slut Walk...Not the puritan stuff u laying out...

I dont have children, but I ever have a daughter I dont want her looking up to Amber Rose

and yes a lot of people there were looking up to Amber Rose as a brave role model

again it isnt the cause, it's the person

but Im done with this post before it becomes a sequel to the gangbang post

Whoosh my nigga. Whoosh.


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much like everything in Amber Rose's career, I believe this to be an attention ploy where the intent is to both rile up misogynists (Im not one) and shock people using the word slut

She could have named it Amber Rose's Walk For Sexual Liberation or Amber Rose's Walk Against Rape but that wouldnt have generated as much controversy

I dont think she's a slut, but she's pretty close to a shallow self-absorbed asshole irrespective of gender

Ok....so you think Amber Rose is a slut. Edit. lol. sorry. You think Amber Rose is a poor role model for young woman. You can still support the march.

The question is.....Do you think it would be Amber Rose's fault if she was raped or sexually assaulted? If not, hop on board.

The whole point is that women have no responsibility in behaving in ANY way that ensures she is not a victim of sexual assault. She could be a literal 'slut'. She could be a hooker. She could be someone who gangbangs 500 guys. It's still not HER FAULT if she gets raped. That's why we all call ourselves slut for the day in solidarity.

What they're responding too is analogous to 'It's too bad that Trayvon Martin got killed...but he shouldn't have worn a hoody and acted suspiciously in the first place'.

yes I believe in the cause, no I dont believe in the face of it

It's not a 'hey girls...stop being sluts' march. She's not being hypocritical at all because the march doesn't prescribe behavior for young girls.

the proper analogy would be Suge Knight attending an anti-racist rally. Just because Suge Knight is a deviant, violent, immoral person does NOT mean it's ok to be racist against him.

There is a suggestion out there that someone like Amber Rose deserves it if she gets raped. Or that she's asking for it. This march is a way for a conservative woman, who normally dresses modestly, to stand in solidarity with Amber Rose and say 'I'm a slut today too. And I STILL don't deserve to be raped or assaulted'. Which is analogous to a wealth black business owner wearing a hoody in solidarity with Trayvon Martin.

>There is a suggestion out there that someone like Amber Rose
>deserves it if she gets raped. Or that she's asking for it.

no one deserves that, no matter what. thus the point of the march. i just dont believe she cares about anything other than attention.

>This march is a way for a conservative woman, who normally
>dresses modestly, to stand in solidarity with Amber Rose and
>say 'I'm a slut today too.

this is dumb because you cant put a positive connotation or spin on the term slut despite "sluts" deserving equal consideration, but I almost get it.

for the record, I dont have any issue with sexual empowerment. I just dont like attention whoring from men or women

For the record....the march doesn't attempt to put a positive spin on the word 'slut'. To stay focused on the origins of the event....I think it's important to keep hammering home. Being perceived as, or intentionally acting like a slut is NOT an invitation to rape. The empowerment they are seeking is freedom from rape or assault. They are not trying to convince anyone it's 'ok' to be a slut. Or say that it's empowering for woman to dress provocatively. That's an entirely different (and legitimate in it's own right) argument. Not what the march was intended to be about.

Especially for this type of movement, seems like the perfect person to head it. Would you prefer a Elizabeth Warren type?

the idea that you think she's not a good face for this pretty much proves why she is.

so that's dope
she's one of the few ppl famous for being pretty that seems down to earth and likable
she used an unprovoked attack from kanye and spun it to draw attention to a good cause
hard to hate imo

>so that's dope
>she's one of the few ppl famous for being pretty that seems
>down to earth and likable
>she used an unprovoked attack from kanye and spun it to draw
>attention to a good cause
>hard to hate imo



^^^^^^^^^^^

And shits all over the POC to elevate his white girl. Seems like more folks should have been bothered by that.

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I thought she was off white..aka Persian.

She is Armenian...

and Armenians are the original white peoples since they hail from the Caucasus mountains

Yes

Yes they do...

kind of how some folks scoff at Jay Smooth for having black guy swag because he is, a black guy

and then we wonder why all the women left.

i really don't know why I keep coming here myslef

I'm starting to agree with the characterizations of this place changing. There were always conservative voices....but they're starting to outnumber everybody else. And they're getting bolder....dog-piling and bullying...then hi-fiving each other. Not ALL the conservative posters indulge in the bullying....but this place is generally getting meaner.

I am pretty sure that when the single people disappeared they (men and women) all moved to other platforms like tender.

If you are saying its because the level of discourse has dropped then you weren't around here in the old days when the discourse was worst and there were plenty of women here.

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Several have said so, so there's really nothing to wonder.

It's true that the men here have always been terrible. But as women have grown older, they've also grown tired of your shit.

For black women and the people who love them, the Web offers much better alternatives.

and married.

not necessarily in that order.

For that reason alone I would consider her involvement a success.

The idea a lady needs to be dressed a certain way to avoid rape is like. Saying Black people should dress a certain way to avoid being shot by police

>The idea a lady needs to be dressed a certain way to avoid
>rape is like saying Black people should dress a certain way
>to avoid being shot by police


As fucked up as some of the views are here, I don't think one person here would
disagree with that.

And that he feels it undermines and/or devalues its cause to some degree.
>

Movement.

If I'm debasing a movement by referring to the victims and potential
victims as the perpetrators would and do, then the S--t Walk is
self-debasing, no?

Of course I support the cause (in more ways than one, actually), but
your thoughts on throwing slurs in a movement title is more telling than you realize.

Whether you think I would be 'debasing' myself by dressing up in a stripper's outfit is besides the point. The POINT is that I still wouldn't be inviting rape or sexual assualt by doing so.

That's why we've drawn parellels to lebron james wearing a hoodie with Trayvon martin. It's perfectly possible to take the position that 'kids shouldn't sag their pants and wear gang colors' while ALSO thinking they should not be assaulted by police JUST BECAUSE they're wearing those clothes.

You don't need to agree that women are 'right' in wearing suggestive clothing. You only need to agree that, in wearing that clothing, they are not forfeiting their right to be free of rape and sexual assault.

I don't think YOU are actually reading the post.


>Whether you think I would be 'debasing' myself by dressing up
>in a stripper's outfit is besides the point. The POINT is
>that I still wouldn't be inviting rape or sexual assualt by
>doing so.
>
>That's why we've drawn parellels to lebron james wearing a
>hoodie with Trayvon martin. It's perfectly possible to take
>the position that 'kids shouldn't sag their pants and wear
>gang colors' while ALSO thinking they should not be assaulted
>by police JUST BECAUSE they're wearing those clothes.
>
>You don't need to agree that women are 'right' in wearing
>suggestive clothing. You only need to agree that, in wearing
>that clothing, they are not forfeiting their right to be free
>of rape and sexual assault.


Yeah I agree completely with all that tho, so what is your point?

then you wouldn't have a problem with their use of the word 'slut'.

Cause the argument you're making would be akin to 'I get that Lebron is trying to show solidarity with Trayvon.....but why does he have to wear a hoody? It makes him look like a criminal and shows that he doesn't respect himself.'

>then you wouldn't have a problem with their use of the word
>'slut'.
>
>Cause the argument you're making would be akin to 'I get that
>Lebron is trying to show solidarity with Trayvon.....but why
>does he have to wear a hoody? It makes him look like a
>criminal and shows that he doesn't respect himself.'


That comparison is the dumbest one you've ever made for 2 reasons
1) My issue isn't with how the women are dressed.
2) I already gave you the perfect analogy. This is like if there was a
movement called "Nigger Lives Matter", and you (a white dude) kept
saying you were attending "Nigger Lives Matter". You probably wouldn't
say that, because you have more respect for the Black experience than
to even repeat that word. Likewise, I'm not a woman, so if you'll
notice, I haven't even said the title, because I refuse to say that,
the b-word, or any other word that degrades women... out of respect.
This ain't about me being included tho... what I'm saying is is also be
be saying it's silly to call it "Nigger Lives Matter".... and the
following will tell you why I feel that way.

This is like you being depressed and saying you're a loser, stupid,
a creep, weirdo, etc, and your friend refuses to let you talk down to
yourself that way and refuses to agree that you're all these things.
Likewise, I'm saying a scantily clad woman is still a WOMAN and not any
of these derogatory names some idiot cop calls them.

Returning to the race analogy....I wouldn't, as a white person, interfere with any black idealogy that attempts to reclaim the enn word.

How would you feel if a white person did? It's an honest question, not rhetorical and I don't claim to know how you'll respond here. But if a white person was opining about a black rally/idealogy that used the enn word something like 'You guys shouldn't use that word. It signifies that you lack self-respect'. How would you respond?

>Returning to the race analogy....I wouldn't, as a white
>person, interfere with any black idealogy that attempts to
>reclaim the enn word.


Just as I don't interfere with the ideology of reclaiming the "b" or "s" words.


>How would you feel if a white person did? It's an honest
>question, not rhetorical and I don't claim to know how you'll
>respond here. But if a white person was opining about a black
>rally/idealogy that used the enn word something like 'You guys
>shouldn't use that word. It signifies that you lack
>self-respect'. How would you respond?


Again, we have to make an accurate parallel.
I'm not saying women shouldn't use the word or that it implies they lack self-respect.
I'm saying that putting it in the title of the event forces *others* to use the word
in reference to them... even those who, otherwise, wouldn't.
If they don't want men to attend the event or say the name of it, then the idea is
genius as hell, because that makes it an inside thing (like the nigga word).
It's also genius if they want men to feel comfortable referring to them that way,
because that's what happens every time one of us says the title.
If neither of those is the case, then it's silly.
Even as it pertains to the naming of the event, I'm not saying "hey, don't do
silly shit". I'm just saying it's silly lol.
That name is supposedly an insult coming from men. I'm not fucking using it,
and I refuse to refer to women that way.
It's still a bad comparison as it pertains to the 'nigga' word, because we still don't
want other folks saying it, so we don't put it in the name of our civil rights
movements. It just wouldn't make a lot of sense.
To me? a woman is a woman regardless of what she has on.
Respect tho, we can stop this discussion here. Neither of us is moving.

>Just as I don't interfere with the ideology of reclaiming the
>"b" or "s" words.

But you are no? You're contending that they shouldn't use it in the name of the event. I mean, 'interfere' might be the wrong word....but you ARE kinda subscribing what women should do in regards to a word that victimizes THEM.


>Again, we have to make an accurate parallel.
>I'm not saying women shouldn't use the word or that it implies
>they lack self-respect.
>I'm saying that putting it in the title of the event forces
>*others* to use the word
>in reference to them... even those who, otherwise, wouldn't.
>If they don't want men to attend the event or say the name of
>it, then the idea is
>genius as hell, because that makes it an inside thing (like
>the nigga word).
>It's also genius if they want men to feel comfortable
>referring to them that way,
>because that's what happens every time one of us says the
>title.
>If neither of those is the case, then it's silly.
>Even as it pertains to the naming of the event, I'm not saying
>"hey, don't do
>silly shit". I'm just saying it's silly lol.
>That name is supposedly an insult coming from men. I'm not
>fucking using it,
>and I refuse to refer to women that way.
>It's still a bad comparison as it pertains to the 'nigga'
>word, because we still don't
>want other folks saying it, so we don't put it in the name of
>our civil rights
>movements. It just wouldn't make a lot of sense.
>To me? a woman is a woman regardless of what she has on.
>Respect tho, we can stop this discussion here. Neither of us
>is moving.


Huh. I hadn't thought of it like that. I would feel the same as you say about a black rally like that. I guess I don't feel the same way about the word 'slut'. I can kinda see where you're coming from....but I suggest that 'slut' can be used in a neutral way in regards to sexism or patriarchy, by a man. I don't think that's true about the enn word used by a white person. Interesting though.

nobody cares.

Nice guys 2.0, basically.

The cape and the pedestal, remixed.

It's like the want to live in a better world or some shit.
dafuq?

drowning them out is increasingly difficult. and probably not worth it? i dunno.

no wonder women have left this joint in droves. there are too many voices around expressing fairly clear disdain for women and their agency and their issues and their advocates.

Like they're in here throwing "grown up" trantrums and dismissing entire social movements because they don't seem to actually know any women.

kinda makes it harder to point out when it actually happens.

keep on cookin' tho... cause it still smells raw right now.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

http://laist.com/2015/10/04/photos_amber_rose_slutwalk.php#photo-1

is Amber Rose & her commercialization of it, it feels like she just sees it as a money making venture, otherwise she wouldn't feel the name to attach her name & sell a bunch of products associated with it.

she could be promoting the cause and herself at the same time. and i don't have a problem w/that.

I figure self-promotion is the only way she maintains her fame at this point,
so the fact that she's choosing a good cause to do so is pretty commendable.

What money is Amber Rose making off of this. And where is the commercialization?

Nowhere on the Amber Rose Foundation site can you purchase merchandise.

The party we are raising funds for, The Amber Rose Power Foundation , is our client. The Amber Rose Power Foundation will distribute the money collected to those in need by donating to organizations who help women who have been forced to face adversity in the form of slut shaming, a lack of implication of double standards, sexual assault, and rape, and more.


This event is hosted by The Amber Rose Foundation, a non-profit organization Amber started to support her core mission of uplifting, empowering, and enhancing the platform of women across the globe. The money received from donations to this event will be used to bring this event to life with on-site services such as HIV testing, sexual awareness booths, food vendors, merchandise vendors and a host of other services. But most importantly, your donation will support our foundation and groups and organizations of women who have been subject to slut shaming, a lack of implication of double standards, sexual assault, and even rape. Los Angeles is just the first of many cities that we hope to expand this movement to with your help. Feel free to email us at slutwalk@saxproductions.com for more specifics on how you can contribute to Slut Walk and The Amber Rose Foundation.

>Nowhere on the Amber Rose Foundation site can you purchase merchandise?

http://wgno.com/2015/09/02/will-you-buy-amber-roses-slutwalk-clothing-line/

funny how this works.

Maybe it flouted the lines of a non profit vs a for profit.
All of which has very little to do with a movement needing to be validated by a skeptic for it to become legit.

but when someone on OKP wonders if it's a bad move its MISOGYNY... LMAO.

How are you working through those emotions?

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Like yall are on the Cam'ron on Bill O shouting "you mad" right now.

Witty this and witty that...then when someone responds with a clear argument you'll pull out a tl;dr which is about as immature and evasive that someone can get. (I can't believe anyone over the age of 20 even uses some crap like that)

Your point seems to be that people were accused of being misogynistic when they questioned the way Amber Rose went about her involvement in this event.

Yet, HOLY COW, post 85 is EXACTLY what you're talking about. Did anyone call Kuntry misogynist for saying so? Nope. There was acknowledgement that her motives may have been disingenuous...it was suggested that the attention pointed towards the cause provide a benefit regardless of her motives......but no accusations of misogyny towards Big K.

So you're essentially whining about nothing. There have been accusations of misogyny in the thread. But they weren't directed to any questioning of Amber Rose's motives.

*runs out of post*

It really does....

Like that?

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and comprehend the ghastly possibility that women may
enjoy sex just as much as or - *gasps* - even more than they do.

>and comprehend the ghastly possibility that women may
>enjoy sex just as much as or - *gasps* - even more than they
>do.


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would want to get gang banged. even if by 500 dudes.

all of you who participated in that subthread discussion seeking to figure out what damage in a woman's past would result in her participating in a gangbang. as if her motivation couldn't be as simple as - she wants to do it b/c she enjoys it.

and that's just a start.

if we're not acting brand new like this is our first day at OKP we can recall several discussions here where that tone was in the air. even if one can't call out usernames of those who expressed such sentiment. if we're not brand new we know this about discussions of women's sexuality around here.

a woman who fcuks 500 dudes in one day ain't got f*cking problems.

You can't find 5 women outside of OKP or some super-virulent strand of feminism who would try and argue that dumb shit.


You can continue to think you somehow know women better than the rest of us though we have wives, mommas, daughters, nieces and female friends but I ain't buying into that silliness you selling.



>would want to get gang banged. even if by 500 dudes.
>
>all of you who participated in that subthread discussion
>seeking to figure out what damage in a woman's past would
>result in her participating in a gangbang. as if her
>motivation couldn't be as simple as - she wants to do it b/c
>she enjoys it.
>
>and that's just a start.
>
>if we're not acting brand new like this is our first day at
>OKP we can recall several discussions here where that tone was
>in the air. even if one can't call out usernames of those who
>expressed such sentiment. if we're not brand new we know this
>about discussions of women's sexuality around here.


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>a woman who fcuks 500 dudes in one day ain't got f*cking
>problems.

"damaged goods".

The term implies something that the act of having sex or lots of sex makes them less desirable. That is not what I am saying at all.

I am saying that a woman who has sex with 500 people in the day got some problems that explain why she would be down for that and it's not about her enjoying sex alot.

I say this because the woman who did have sex with 500 dudes in one day and holds the record for most partners in one day would tell you that she was heavy into drug use at the time when she did it. That shit was about exploitation, not sexual liberation.



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LOL

it's gotta be about exploitation.

uh huh.

and you know b/c you stick your dick in women and i don't know b/c i don't stick my dick in women.

right.

my whole point here is that i can conceive of a circumstance where a woman might enjoy taking drugs and being fucked by 500 dudes on camera. she might do it b/c she wants to and not b/c she's being exploited. you don't seem to allow for that possibility.

that's the only point i'm making. and you're proving it. so, thanks. LOL

But my real world experience tells me that you are unlikely to come across such a person.

Also you assume this is some sort of misogyny but it doesn't have to be because I would also assume there is something wrong with a dude who wants to have sex with 500 people in one day.




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>But my real world experience tells me that you are unlikely
>to come across such a person.

i've met them.

>Also you assume this is some sort of misogyny but it doesn't
>have to be because I would also assume there is something
>wrong with a dude who wants to have sex with 500 people in one
>day.

i'm sure YOU would.

the answer is - you.

seen.

That dude sounds awful.


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totally based on what i've read of the stuff you've posted here. i don't have any other context.

y'all awesome guys keep being awesome

the ne'er do wells still a bunch of sad ass dudes
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lol this is sad.

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It shouldn't be a Walk of Shame because the woman involved intended to go out and have sex. The video's just poking fun at the double standard that a woman should have to feel shame because she had sex whereas men aren't subjected to the same treatment at all.

Having said that....the video is a little lame. I get it tho....

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support the cause

have issues with the commercialization/marketeering of the cause by Amber (although I think it's a net positive impact in the all press is good press new world) specifically bc she commercializes her own sexuality

i understand women do it...and hell...i think we are all consumers...but i think it negatively influences society...i think in utopia...it could be done sans exploitation of women...i don't think it's possible in this are any society to be honest

i don't care how many women fuck, suck, gangbang, cheat...any of that...i welcome them to do just as much of that as their male counterparts like they've been doing with less social backlash involved...and i wish males got rewarded less for the same behavior

to me...that's the big picture...the cause is good...her as a face is polarizingly good...slutwalk is a bad name...also because it's polarizing and i definitely see the point about "Million Nigga March"

everybody has a piece of the puzzle but by all means continue talking around each other

But you know,...

Deez ninjaz wanna stormfront da game up.

1)The name 'slutwalk' predates this whole situation and the whole purpose for the word is to confront the demeaning language used against woman. Perhaps its not ready for prime time outside of more collegiate circles but that's less about the people trying to call attention on how we treat women and victims of sexual assault but how the patriarchy loves to use respectability politics(which brings us right back 360 style to why the term is an important one).

2)Even if Amber Rose was the worlds biggest sex-worker and is making millions of dollars off slutwalk tees, doesn't mean it's not an important point. Funny enough this reminds me of the al sharpton post flying around; even if he's a permed out charlatan doesn't meant that some racist shit happened and we should (and we tend to) support.

and on this line...

>i don't care how many women fuck, suck, gangbang, cheat...any
>of that...i welcome them to do just as much of that as their
>male counterparts like they've been doing with less social
>backlash involved...and i wish males got rewarded less for the
>same behavior

How are we still caring about who/how/why/what/when/how anyone fucks? Between consenting adults! lol. That shit doesn't affect how someone does my taxes, mows my lawn, etc. People try to equate promiscuity with a bunch of character flaws.

1. It's a terrible name.
2. Amber Rose is jumping on this issue to promote herself.

Those two points were meet with cries of misogyny and accusation that the other side is pro-rape and pro-chasity belts.

I'd like the cats crying about the misogyny to point to exact things that people said, without mischaracterizing what they said or putting words in their mouth, that was so terrible?




>1)The name 'slutwalk' predates this whole situation and the
>whole purpose for the word is to confront the demeaning
>language used against woman. Perhaps its not ready for prime
>time outside of more collegiate circles but that's less about
>the people trying to call attention on how we treat women and
>victims of sexual assault but how the patriarchy loves to use
>respectability politics(which brings us right back 360 style
>to why the term is an important one).
>
>2)Even if Amber Rose was the worlds biggest sex-worker and is
>making millions of dollars off slutwalk tees, doesn't mean
>it's not an important point. Funny enough this reminds me of
>the al sharpton post flying around; even if he's a permed out
>charlatan doesn't meant that some racist shit happened and we
>should (and we tend to) support.
>
>and on this line...
>
>>i don't care how many women fuck, suck, gangbang,
>cheat...any
>>of that...i welcome them to do just as much of that as their
>>male counterparts like they've been doing with less social
>>backlash involved...and i wish males got rewarded less for
>the
>>same behavior
>
>How are we still caring about who/how/why/what/when/how anyone
>fucks? Between consenting adults! lol. That shit doesn't
>affect how someone does my taxes, mows my lawn, etc. People
>try to equate promiscuity with a bunch of character flaws.


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and fairly ridiculous. as if the women who have named the event can't understand the ramification of using the word 'slut' in the title.

fuck that.

these women know what they're doing. they intend the reactions they're getting. the word is purposefully provocative.

sheesh.

interesting...tell me more

i wasn't the one that brought it up and i overall think it's of the shrugworthy yet valid arguments to take issue with...

the person who expressed that expressed it clearly and still had to have several back and forths for folks to realize he wasn't saying what they thought he said

i'm saying, that's not a huge deal to me but i could see how the name could be an issue to those that support and oppose the walks

no shit it's supposed to be provocative...we all know how going out of the way to be provocative helps causes and all

>i wasn't the one that brought it up and i overall think it's
>of the shrugworthy yet valid arguments to take issue with...

i have no idea what you're talking about.

>the person who expressed that expressed it clearly and still
>had to have several back and forths for folks to realize he
>wasn't saying what they thought he said

what?

>i'm saying, that's not a huge deal to me but i could see how
>the name could be an issue to those that support and oppose
>the walks

good for you.

gobbledy-gook.

cause the only thing we disagree on is the use of "slut" in the name and I still don't think it's that huge a point

i pretty much articulated everything else...maybe i need to do that better so that people can tell they are agreeing with me 90% of the time

it's several separate issues...

i think the cause is a good one with or without Amber

I see how Amber might be a polarizing and/or problematic spokesperson for said cause

i also see why "slut" is used and still think it might not be as great an idea the name is despite the demographic it aims to hit

I don't think critiquing her specific support/exploitation of the cause does anything she isn't doing...distracting from the message of said cause

i don't think it requires a more "respectable" spokesperson but again i think someone who doesn't directly profit from misogyny and it's commercialization of the female form is best practice as well

it's not black and white...and it's nothing but dismissal between #TEAMUS and #TEAMTHEM as usual

>i think someone who doesn't directly profit from
>misogyny and it's commercialization of the female form is best
>practice as well

>I don't think critiquing her specific support/exploitation of
>the cause does anything she isn't doing...distracting from the
>message of said cause.

If you think what's happening in the post is an impartial critique of Rose then I don't know what to tell you. However your point below helps me illustrate what i mean

>i don't think it requires a more "respectable" spokesperson
>but again i think someone who doesn't directly profit from
>misogyny and it's commercialization of the female form is best
>practice as well

That's the problem though, that leap you put right there, on her 'profiting' from misogyny. What's amber done but post a bunch of pictures of herself naked and dated two rappers? She aint selling books on how to cheat rape kits, she's not running revenge porn sites, etc. Feminism isn't the fight to have women wear burkas, lol.

I think people just can't wrap their head around the fact.....this ISN"T a march about the commercialization of women's bodies. Nor is it about how unfair it is for men to call women sluts.

It's about the right to be free of rape and assault. No matter what. Even if you ARE a slut. It's just so hard for people to think of if it without referring to 'men shouldn't call women sluts. It's got nothing to do with that.

but there are obvious underlying values that lead to a culture that props up the behaviors they are specifically trying to rid from the culture

Here is how the one person in this post, who is associated with the campaign, described it.

"But most importantly, your donation will support our foundation and groups and organizations of women who have been subject to slut shaming, a lack of implication of double standards, sexual assault, and even rape." (c) Meat at 87.

So you say it has nothing to do with name calling but it's the first item they list in their description of the cause.


It does strike me as odd that the first issue mentioned is slut shaming and the last issue mentioned, almost as an afterthought, is rape.

Maybe the issues are all related but it seems odd to emphasize slut shamming over rape.


>It's about the right to be free of rape and assault. No
>matter what. Even if you ARE a slut. It's just so hard for
>people to think of if it without referring to 'men shouldn't
>call women sluts. It's got nothing to do with that.


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>Here is how the one person in this post, who is associated
>with the campaign, described it.
>
>"But most importantly, your donation will support our
>foundation and groups and organizations of women who have been
>subject to slut shaming, a lack of implication of double
>standards, sexual assault, and even rape." (c) Meat at 87.

a Google search revealed this:

https://www.gofundme.com/amberroseslutwalk

it seems Meat copied and pasted the quoted language from that ^ site (or these: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/amber-rose-slut-walk-los-angeles-tickets-18180506384 ; http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/929116-Amber-Rose-complains-about-female-artists-wanting-to-get-paid-to-perform-at-her-Slut-Walk?p=23520535). those were not necessarily Meat's words but they were Sax Productions' words. if Meat works for Sax and wrote those words then they are Meat's words.

http://www.saxproductions.com/

i think the commercialization of sexuality negatively impacts the cause in a number of ways

the industries she's been involved in directly revolve around sex...that industry is there and isn't going anywhere...

i just think with the current power dynamics stripping, sex-work, booty modeling, video modeling, and all of that is inherently exploitative of women whether they sign up for that exploitation or not

if you're sexy...there are going to be those opportunities that arise anyway and i think that's unavoidable but sex-work and the fringe industries that essentially revolve around it...that takes it too far into the danger zone and is just pouring more concrete on the already strong foundation of patriarchy

it's ok if we disagree on that

i think it's perfectly ok for women do whatever they want sexually except profit from it financially (intentionally)

>i think the commercialization of sexuality negatively impacts
>the cause in a number of ways

Again, the problem isn't the commercialism of sexuality, its the commercialism of a very specific and male pleasing focused version of sex. Nudty is abound in hollywood, but a full frontal male shot is still pretty taboo.

>if you're sexy...there are going to be those opportunities
>that arise anyway and i think that's unavoidable but sex-work
>and the fringe industries that essentially revolve around
>it...that takes it too far into the danger zone and is just
>pouring more concrete on the already strong foundation of
>patriarchy

Sex work isn't patriarchy by its nature; shoot one can argue patriarchy is why there's so little demand for male sex workers.

Condemning them for it is.

It's why progressive "feminist" nations tend to have strong rules protecting sex workers. Where as in the US you can pretty much kill them with impunity and are basically part of the serial killer starter kit.

i'm saying the current cultural climate it only supports/reinforces it

i think one can take that stance without necessarily "condemning" the individuals...just like how i think our version of capitalism doesn't make it worth condemning individuals that unfairly profit...

condemn != identifying patterns that are counter-productive to the desired progression...you cant change things by pretending the world is as it should be in order to reach that goal in all cases...

the commercialization of sex as it is now inherently exploits women on a huge scale...there's no way around that without at least acknowledging that it is harmful...the rapists, the cavemen, the rappers, and other idiots are by far the ones who need to do the most work as both individuals and a group but i think the empowered sex seller is still a pipe dream at the moment much like the benign super capitalist

> but i
>think the empowered sex seller is still a pipe dream at the
>moment much like the benign super capitalist

>i just think with the current power dynamics stripping,
>sex-work, booty modeling, video modeling, and all of that is
>inherently exploitative of women whether they sign up for that
>exploitation or not

how is a woman being exploited if she's making money using her own body by her own choice?

saved us a few clicks

and no one else is involved in the decision and she collects and keeps 100% of the money generated from the selling of her sex acts, how is she exploited?

where's the exploitation there?

b/c that's how i see Amber - she's definitely selling herself and profiting from it (no, she's not keeping 100% of her money). but i don't see her being exploited unless someone is taking unfair advantage. and AFAIK that's not happening in her case. but i don't follow her all that closely so i could be missing something.

considering all of that i can't agree that a woman is always being exploited when she engages in sex work. i understand that a number of women in the sex industry are being exploited. but not all of them. so i can't agree that sex work is inherently exploitation.

but maybe i don't know what you mean by 'exploitation'. which is why i've asked.

largely due to the relation to demand and the hyper-sexualization of women in general

that demand is there bc of patriarchy

it may or may not be exploitative on a micro or individual level...it's far too often just another ripple in the pond of patriarchy and misogyny on a macro level

i still think it should be legal just like i think drugs should most likely be legal but i don't think it should be considered socially acceptable/neutral either

drugs impact certain demographics harder than others

sex work imho does as well

even if you are in the minority and are the only profiting from your sex work...more power to you...chances are it's also propping up other industries that also essentially exploit sex workers (and the their fringe friends) on a wide scale

I've never seen any data on it and I don't know if you could even measure it but I wonder if you surveyed all the women in the world who are having sex for money what percentage of them are being exploited?

And I would define exploited by if the survey asked the question "would you rather not be a sex worker?" or "Do you only do sex work because it's the only way for you to earn money?" I think an exploited person would answer they'd rather not be a sex worker and they only do it for the money.

I've read enough Nicholas Kristof columns on sex workers to assume that most women outside the first world who are having sex for money are being trafficked or otherwise exploited.


As far as strippers, booty models and the sort I doubt most of those women feel that they are being exploited.



>and no one else is involved in the decision and she collects
>and keeps 100% of the money generated from the selling of her
>sex acts, how is she exploited?
>
>where's the exploitation there?
>
>b/c that's how i see Amber - she's definitely selling herself
>and profiting from it (no, she's not keeping 100% of her
>money). but i don't see her being exploited unless someone is
>taking unfair advantage. and AFAIK that's not happening in
>her case. but i don't follow her all that closely so i could
>be missing something.
>
>considering all of that i can't agree that a woman is always
>being exploited when she engages in sex work. i understand
>that a number of women in the sex industry are being
>exploited. but not all of them. so i can't agree that sex
>work is inherently exploitation.
>
>but maybe i don't know what you mean by 'exploitation'. which
>is why i've asked.


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the 1st definition below is a better fit:

ex·ploi·ta·tion

noun
noun: exploitation; plural noun: exploitations

1.
the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
"the exploitation of migrant workers"
synonyms: taking advantage, abuse, misuse, ill-treatment, unfair treatment, oppression
"the exploitation of the poor"
2.
the action of making use of and benefiting from resources.
"the Bronze Age saw exploitation of gold deposits"
synonyms: utilization, use, making use of, making the most of, capitalization on; informalcashing in on
"the exploitation of mineral resources"

smh

Its a whole lotta.....

http://i.imgur.com/4hGlk5s.jpg

...ass ninjaz in here!

for it to not be totally offensive.

The 15th Annual SlutWalk is going to be so far removed from the original incident in Toronto that the irony in the name will be completely lost.
It will just be a bunch of women walking around calling themselves sluts (slut is still a derogatory term, right? Or did I miss the reclamation?)

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As in, I don't think anyone has nailed down a point that people are diametrically oppose on.

Well, maybe whether Amber Rose is a good spokesperson for this cause but I don't think that's the focus of this warz.





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But the issue for me is whether 'slutwalk' is a good name for the march. I think it is.