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12891911, That anti-gay County Clerk in Kentucky is about to get PAID (swipe)
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Sep-03-15 05:00 PM
This is like the hard-right conservative's version of the freedom rides.
I already saw Ted Cruz and Rand Paul express their disgust.
Can you imagine how many GoFundMe's are being set up for her as we speak?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0

Clerk Rejects Proposal to Let Deputies Issue Marriage Licenses

ASHLAND, Ky. — A defiant county clerk rejected a proposal that would have allowed her deputies to grant same-sex marriage licenses, hours after she was sent to jail by a federal judge for disobeying a court order.

Through her lawyer, the clerk, Kim Davis of Rowan County, said she would not agree to allow the licenses to be issued under her authority as county clerk. Had she consented, the judge would have considered releasing her from custody.

Five of the six deputies told Judge David L. Bunning of Federal District Court that they would issue the licenses, though some of them said they would do so reluctantly. The lone holdout was Ms. Davis’s son, Nathan.

Ms. Davis had argued that the Supreme Court order that she issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples infringed upon her religious beliefs and liberties. But after a hearing, Judge Bunning said that “her good faith belief is simply not a viable defense,” and ordered Ms. Davis to jail.

“The court cannot condone the willful disobedience of its lawfully issued order,” said Judge Bunning, who was appointed by President George W. Bush. “If you give people the opportunity to choose which orders they follow, that’s what potentially causes problems.”

The clerk’s stance has put her at the center of political storm that has divided the country.

The White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, said he had not discussed the developments with President Obama. But he said Ms. Davis should not defy the Supreme Court.

“Every public official is subject to the rule of law,” Mr. Earnest said. “No one is above the law. That applies to the president of the United States and it applies to the clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky, as well.”

Rand Paul, the Republican presidential candidate and a senator from Kentucky, said it was “absurd to put someone in jail for exercising their religious liberties.”

Former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, another Republican candidate, said the jailing of Ms. David “removes all doubt of the criminalization of Christianity in our country.”

“We must defend religious liberty and never surrender to judicial tyranny,” Mr. Huckabee said, adding that “the Supreme Court is not the Supreme branch and it’s certainly not the Supreme Being.”

Judge Bunning’s ruling also drew sharp condemnation from one of Ms. Davis’s lawyers, Roger Gannam.

“Today, for the first time in history, an American citizen has been incarcerated for having the belief of conscience that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and she’s been ordered to stay there until she’s willing to change her mind, until she’s willing to change her conscience about what that belief is,” he said. “This is unprecedented in American law.”

But a lawyer for the couples who sued, William Sharp, said the ruling signaled that “religious liberty is not a sword with which government, through its employees, may impose particular religious views on others.”

Two couples who had previously been denied licenses by Ms. Davis’s office said they would seek the licenses on Friday.

Earlier Ms. Davis, an Apostolic Christian, tearfully testified that she had not hesitated to follow her religious beliefs and defy the courts. “I didn’t have to think about it,” she said. “There was no choice there.”

Ms. Davis was asked how she defined marriage.

“Marriage is between one man and one woman,” she replied, before a lawyer asked her whether she had “the ability to believe marriage is anything else.”

Ms. Davis offered a terse response: “No.”

Later, one of the women who has unsuccessfully sought a marriage license in Rowan County, April Miller, told Judge Bunning that Ms. Davis’s stand “marginalizes us again.”

Judge Bunning left little doubt about his thinking, and said Ms. Davis’s explanation for disobeying his order was “simply insufficient.”

“It’s not physically impossible for her to issue the licenses,” he said. “She’s choosing not to.”

Lawyers for the same-sex couples seeking licenses had asked Judge Bunning to fine Ms. Davis and not send her to jail, but the judge said he thought that a fine would not be enough to prompt the clerk’s compliance.

As marshals led her from the courtroom, Ms. Davis said, “Thank you, Judge.”

The hearing Thursday was the first since the Supreme Court on Monday turned down Ms. Davis’s appeal of an Aug. 12 ruling by Judge Bunning directing her to issue marriage licenses. The justices’ decision was expected to clear the way for same-sex marriages in Rowan County. But on Tuesday, the clerk and her employees again refused to issue licenses in Morehead, the seat of Rowan County.

Within hours lawyers for the couples who had initially sued Ms. Davis asked Judge Bunning to hold her in contempt.

Legal experts said it was uncertain how long Ms. Davis could kept in jail.

“Civil contempt is not supposed to be punitive, it’s supposed to coerce the person to obey the judge’s order,” said Adam Winkler, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. “Once she promises to obey, or once the judge determines that more jail time will not encourage her to obey, they’ll let her out. But she could be in there for a year, it’s conceivable. Judges really don’t like it when people disobey their order.”

The standoff in Kentucky, many law professors said, is reminiscent of the 1960s civil rights battles, with Ms. Davis in the role of George C. Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor who stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama to block two black students from registering.

“In a way, she’s out George Wallace-ing George Wallace,” said Howard M. Wasserman, a law professor at Florida International University. “It does now feel like the civil rights era, with people ignoring court orders, taking a stand and being held in contempt.”
12891914, This lady believes in the sanctity of marriage lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Sep-03-15 05:04 PM
http://m.snopes.com/kim-davis-married-four-times/

Court records detail Kim Davis’ turbulent marital history: She has been married to her current husband twice, with a divorce and another husband in between.

She married her first husband, Dwain Wallace, when she was 18, and divorced him in 1994.

She acknowledged in a 2008 divorce filing having had two children in 1994 while she was not married.

In 1996, at age 30, she married Joe Davis for the first time. They divorced in 2006.

The next year, at 40 years old, Davis wed Thomas McIntryre, though their marriage lasted less than a year. She re-married Joe Davis in 2009.
12891919, Hello!
Posted by Moonlit_Force, Thu Sep-03-15 05:12 PM
12892747, isn't it always a hypocrite?
Posted by kinetic94761180, Sun Sep-06-15 01:22 PM
yikes.
12892849, She takes it so seriously she just wanted a few practice swings.
Posted by Lardlad95, Mon Sep-07-15 07:15 AM
12891947, She's about to be the religious right's Martin Luther the King... lol
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Thu Sep-03-15 06:40 PM

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DJTB YOMM
12892016, Not from GoFundMe
Posted by MEAT, Thu Sep-03-15 09:18 PM
Sorry Kim Davis, GoFundMe’s New Policy Prevents Conservatives From Raising Money For You
By JAMESON PARKER

As we’ve seen a dizzying amount of times, conservatives have used the popular fundraising site GoFundMe to enrich and support people who they believe are on their side of the “culture war” – including officers who have killed unarmed black teenagers, Tea Partiers who got sick after refusing to sign up for Obamacare, and an endless number of bakeries run by Christians who want to discriminate against gay people. Watching these bakers and cops make fortunes (literally) just by “standing up” for conservative values has had the effect that anyone with a conservative point of view and a desire to be flooded with money can milk the conservative GoFundMe cash cow.

On GoFundMe’s end, this has been a PR nightmare. It’s not clear exactly what the site’s creators expected when they set up the page, but it’s hard to imagine they thought they would be faced with dozens of new campaigns set up for killers, racists, and homophobes on a weekly basis. After watching several high-profile conservative faux-victims become millions from exploiting their site, the creators finally announced that enough was enough. In April, they announced that they would no longer certain types of disgusting campaigns from thriving on GoFundMe. More specifically – and this is where Davis gets screwed out of the millions surely waiting for her – the site has a specific policy about criminals:

Campaigns in defense of formal charges or claims of heinous crimes, violent, hateful, sexual or discriminatory acts.
The jailed Davis, held on contempt of court charges, surely fits the bill. (And Davis technically pulls off a rare double disqualification because it’s also a “discriminatory act.”)
Would conservatives have really given Davis millions just for not doing her job? It seems pretty clear that the answer is yes when one looks at how they’ve positioned her as a Christian martyr.
12892427, *sad trombone*
Posted by MME, Fri Sep-04-15 04:59 PM
Maybe Case One can send her some money.
12892748, RE: *sad trombone*
Posted by kinetic94761180, Sun Sep-06-15 01:22 PM
lol
12892431, Huckabee and Biden had some senior moments this week
Posted by bentagain, Fri Sep-04-15 05:10 PM
the fact that presidental nominees don't even know basic law and geography

is f'n embarassing

how crazy is the GOP when Lindsey 'The Sky is Fallen' Graham and Carly Fiorina are the only logic
12892743, RE: Huckabee and Biden had some senior moments this week
Posted by MME, Sun Sep-06-15 01:06 PM
>the fact that presidental nominees don't even know basic law
>and geography
>
>is f'n embarassing
>
>how crazy is the GOP when Lindsey 'The Sky is Fallen' Graham
>and Carly Fiorina are the only logic

and I swear that nigga Ben Carson sound like he smokin something everytime he talks
12892749, wasn't trump's worse?
Posted by kinetic94761180, Sun Sep-06-15 01:24 PM
w/ hugh hewitt?

http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-on-the-day-he-took-the-pledge/
12892908, the Kurds vs Quds gaff? Nah, Trump's agenda is he's got a guy
Posted by bentagain, Mon Sep-07-15 11:58 AM
being kind, best I can say about the host is he was equally as tough on the other candidates too

but it did sound like Trump thought he said Kurds

what did concern me was HRC's interiew with Andrea Mitchell

http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/andrea-mitchells-one-on-one-with-hillary-clinton-519588419510

you get HRC in that space, foreign policy, etc...

she looked very presidential
12892751, may her cashier at the bank be an Islamic Fundamentalist.
Posted by Mr. ManC, Sun Sep-06-15 01:34 PM
12892759, Exactly.
Posted by Ted Gee Seal, Sun Sep-06-15 03:02 PM
12892758, It was a pretty dumb move to throw her in jail. Removing her from her
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sun Sep-06-15 02:54 PM
position would have been sufficient. Jailing her makes a martyr out of her.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma
12892760, Wasn't she elected?
Posted by Ted Gee Seal, Sun Sep-06-15 03:03 PM
So she can't just be removed.
12892765, Checks and balances. Separation of powers.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sun Sep-06-15 03:25 PM
If she was doing something unconstitutional, of course she can be removed.

If she can't be removed, she damn sure can't be arrested.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma
12892769, she can be removed by the governor or the state assembly
Posted by mrhood75, Sun Sep-06-15 03:50 PM
The issue is that the governor supports her decision, as does the Republican majority of the state assembly. So she won't be removed.

If anything, what's going to happen is the state will pass a law where issuing marriage licenses won't have to be done by her office. After they milk this for as much publicity as possible.
12892844, RE: It was a pretty dumb move to throw her in jail. Removing her from her
Posted by Calico, Mon Sep-07-15 05:24 AM
i'm not mad at her decision, but their response to her decision was bad.... making her a martyr is in no ones long term best interest...
12892879, why they gotta compare some fighting for inequality to mlk who fought for equality?
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Sep-07-15 09:40 AM
equality...Dumb shit
12893060, to piss people like you off. stop falling for it.
Posted by seasoned vet, Tue Sep-08-15 09:45 AM
12893045, Fuck all these people. If she doesn't like her job then she should quit
Posted by flipnile, Tue Sep-08-15 09:27 AM
It kills me how these folks get to blatantly violate the law like it's the right thing to do, but black people are automatically fucking criminals even when we do everything we're supposed to.

I hope each and every one of them (her and her supporters) get's fired and/or thrown in jail.
12893490, Dogg... she had theme music coming out of jail!! Eye of the Tiger
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Sep-08-15 05:18 PM
I'm dyin.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/huckabee-and-cruz-visit-jailed-kentucky-clerk?cid=sm_fb_msnbc_native
12893493, Gaining on Ya.
Posted by Case_One, Tue Sep-08-15 05:36 PM

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"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case
12893512, The Bizaro world we're living in
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Sep-08-15 06:59 PM
12893503, separation of church and state
Posted by GirlChild, Tue Sep-08-15 06:09 PM
for all those dumb ass conservatives who are so concerned about their guns and freedom of speech, they sure do like to overlook that.