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12888325, Are you a nigga?
Posted by double negative, Thu Aug-27-15 11:34 AM
to those of you who use the word to refer to black people

do you ever think "i am a nigga"?

I had a whole post written out about this but....yeah, this is the idea distilled.

its one thing to use it in jest, or as a expletive, but its another thing to internalize it.


genesis:

Katt Williams: "Niggas is the shit"

Bamboozled: "Niggas is a beautiful thing"

12888332, prolly.
Posted by Kwesi, Thu Aug-27-15 11:37 AM
12888334, Only on non-pay weeks.
Posted by Fishgrease, Thu Aug-27-15 11:38 AM
12888335, of course
Posted by Cenario, Thu Aug-27-15 11:39 AM
12888337, nigga please
Posted by BigJazz, Thu Aug-27-15 11:41 AM

***
I'm tryna be better off, not better than...
12889277, HA! I came here to say this
Posted by exactopposite, Sat Aug-29-15 10:17 AM
12888339, i have a nigga bag
Posted by esb225, Thu Aug-27-15 11:42 AM
which when needed i go into it
other than that no
12888363, i was inching there with this
Posted by Riot, Thu Aug-27-15 12:03 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12886376&mesg_id=12886376&page=2#12886611

like how they got us to where we effortlessly drop this with no nevermind-

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12886177&mesg_id=12886177&page=2#12886192

but back over here u leading the pride parade wit a rainbow cape on-

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12886376&mesg_id=12886376&page=2#12886445

talking strictly language and word choice
12888382, wait, you got something there but I dont fully get it....
Posted by double negative, Thu Aug-27-15 12:19 PM
12888993, he saying 'how is Big Kuntry throwing the word nigga around
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 12:10 PM
and at the same time denouncing the pastor's use of the word bulldagger and some other shit.'

what he doesn't understand is that these are two completely separate issues.

clearly, big kuntry is not using the word nigga as in insult.

it seems, he's successfully re-appropriated its use.

that preacher hurling around bulldagger, on the other hand, used it in it's traditional form - aka hate speech.

he's trying to call big kuntry a hypocrite. the poster claims it's impossible to love your people, while using nigga.

he also thinks that if big kuntry has the wherewithal to seek respect for bulldaggers, he should also probably respect himself a little more.
12889103, ctrl-f & replace nigga with bitch, & that argument falls apart tho.
Posted by Riot, Fri Aug-28-15 03:04 PM
Since the original statement included both words.

So is your stance that bitch has also been successfully reappropriated by men, but not faggot?

Or is one just an insult that's been normalized, & the other has been banished and buried out of everyday speech, to where niggas are now alarmed & pearlclutching when they hear it?



>and at the same time denouncing the pastor's use of the word
>bulldagger and some other shit.'
>
>what he doesn't understand is that these are two completely
>separate issues.
>
>clearly, big kuntry is not using the word nigga as in insult.
>
>it seems, he's successfully re-appropriated its use.
>
>that preacher hurling around bulldagger, on the other hand,
>used it in it's traditional form - aka hate speech.
>
>he's trying to call big kuntry a hypocrite. the poster claims
>it's impossible to love your people, while using nigga.
>
>he also thinks that if big kuntry has the wherewithal to seek
>respect for bulldaggers, he should also probably respect
>himself a little more.
12889116, bitch vs. nigga? tough call. I have no ownership over 'bitch'.
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 03:33 PM
I even used to be the type of nigga that refused to use 'bitch', out of respect for all our sisters.

my decision to stop refusing the word bitch was based largely on the fact that I'd met, fell in love, and had a relationship with a text-book bitch. I was surprised to find out they actually existed. but at that point there was no denying that they exist. and sponge label is apt.

even more interesting is that if a woman confronted me on the use of the word, I'd immediately backtrack.

bitch is theirs to police.

nigga is mine.
12889138, textbook 'bitchy' bitch is not what we talking about
Posted by Riot, Fri Aug-28-15 04:16 PM
But good looks admitting the common usage is not defensible

Hint- neither is nigga. but the more central argument is whether it needs "defending"
12889141, what's the difference between nigga and what you think you are?
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 04:19 PM
12889168, ...and when u can't defend, deflect
Posted by Riot, Fri Aug-28-15 05:22 PM
12889186, don't be defensive. that wasn't deflection. it's a legitimate query.
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 06:12 PM
don't bail on me.
12888562, ?? You was pressed as shit to use that lol
Posted by Big Kuntry, Thu Aug-27-15 02:49 PM
.
12888992, this nigga got a dosier on you.
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 12:06 PM
12888994, LMAO! Right?!?
Posted by Big Kuntry, Fri Aug-28-15 12:11 PM
12889112, since we here pimp, u tell me. what makes bitch more respectful than fag
Posted by Riot, Fri Aug-28-15 03:21 PM
Since the claim is only the second term was used disrespectfully




Also Note the women in the other post who was offended

12889123, This shouldn't need to be explained
Posted by csuave03, Fri Aug-28-15 03:44 PM
I'm sure you already know the answer

Bless your heart if you don't
12889139, post #45
Posted by Riot, Fri Aug-28-15 04:17 PM
Help us out, sway
12889180, Deflect as much as you like
Posted by csuave03, Fri Aug-28-15 05:40 PM
I have a feeling that you will dismiss whatever explanation is offered
12889145, Is pimp more respectful than fag, bitch, or nigga?
Posted by Big Kuntry, Fri Aug-28-15 04:23 PM
I didn't see where anyone else was offended over me saying bitch, help me out.
12889204, ^^^ SWAY, WE NEED THE ANSWERS.
Posted by Kira, Fri Aug-28-15 07:43 PM
>Since the claim is only the second term was used
>disrespectfully
>
>
>
>
>Also Note the women in the other post who was offended
>
>
12889258, ??
Posted by Big Kuntry, Sat Aug-29-15 04:35 AM
12888368, Yes.
Posted by bwood, Thu Aug-27-15 12:06 PM
It's hard to take Trenton fully out of me.
12888421, A real live one at that
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Aug-27-15 12:46 PM
https://youtu.be/vpPp1BJzQPo
12888700, u cant be, postin on a message board every damn day
Posted by rdhull, Thu Aug-27-15 07:38 PM
real niggas dont do that

that goes for the rest of yall as well
12888762, Charles Cosby is the only person I've heard define that term
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Aug-27-15 11:46 PM
And he tweets more than I post on this board. Based on his definition it's something I will proudly never aspire to be, but you right though.
12888767, You can catch real niggas doing some real things for real money Β©
Posted by csuave03, Thu Aug-27-15 11:57 PM
And you yourself wouldn't be a real nigga by your logic either right?

Then according to the popular aphorism

'real recognize real'

You wouldn't be in a position to identify realness correct?

As a result, the 2 Chainz version of the aphorism applies to you

'real recognize real and you looking unfamiliar'

Please don't blame me, Gangsta Rap made me do it.

Reference this for further information

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fwel1yArt0
12888772, From front to back?
Posted by Doronmonkflake, Fri Aug-28-15 12:32 AM
12888796, And shoes to hat.
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Aug-28-15 06:37 AM
12888911, I think Busta was lookin for you earlier.
Posted by Doronmonkflake, Fri Aug-28-15 10:11 AM
12888554, Never that
Posted by Selassie I God, Thu Aug-27-15 02:44 PM
12888619, at times i have... niggerish qualities and attributes.
Posted by mikediggz, Thu Aug-27-15 03:52 PM
12888624, unapologetically.
Posted by IkeMoses, Thu Aug-27-15 04:01 PM
12890571, ^
Posted by GirlChild, Tue Sep-01-15 03:11 PM
12888713, lol
Posted by Trinity444, Thu Aug-27-15 08:03 PM
12888714, yes.
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Thu Aug-27-15 08:05 PM
12888722, Why do i call myself a nigga you ask me?
Posted by csuave03, Thu Aug-27-15 08:10 PM
A, Because police always wanna harass me

B. I call myself a nigga cause my skin won't lighten

or

C. I guess it's just the way shit has to be
12888765, *slaps gold and pager out of hand & into champagne filled bowl
Posted by double negative, Thu Aug-27-15 11:55 PM
12888768, nigga shit
Posted by csuave03, Fri Aug-28-15 12:12 AM
12888734, indubitably
Posted by Roadblock, Thu Aug-27-15 08:58 PM
12888738, I'm a real Negus
Posted by kevlar skully, Thu Aug-27-15 09:19 PM
12888742, the blackman is god
Posted by thegodcam, Thu Aug-27-15 09:31 PM
12888775, yep
Posted by VonClay, Fri Aug-28-15 01:59 AM
12888782, 100%
Posted by kingjerm78, Fri Aug-28-15 05:31 AM
12888791, Hell no. That shit is an elective. And a poor choice.
Posted by KingMonte, Fri Aug-28-15 06:12 AM
12890421, ^ Gotta agree.
Posted by Moonlit_Force, Tue Sep-01-15 12:42 PM
12888920, sounds like you meant to ask "why are you not ashamed by the word?"
Posted by atruhead, Fri Aug-28-15 10:18 AM
I love hip-hop that uses the word
I have family that still lives in the projects
I eat fried foods, watch porn and download music for free

Im okay with whatever connotation you put on the word nigga
12888983, iiii'm a nigga, he's a nigga, she's a nigga, we some niggas
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 11:58 AM
... wouldn't you like to be a nigga, too? (C)
12889148, i didnt make those associations. YOU did
Posted by double negative, Fri Aug-28-15 04:30 PM
12889156, im not slow.
Posted by atruhead, Fri Aug-28-15 04:58 PM

to those of you who use the word to refer to black people

do you ever think "i am a nigga"?

I had a whole post written out about this but....yeah, this is the idea distilled.

its one thing to use it in jest, or as a expletive, but its another thing to internalize it.
________

what's wrong with internalizing the word nigga? why should we be ashamed to do so? clearly your interpretation says it's a bad thing
12889279, respectfully, what the fuck are you talking about?
Posted by double negative, Sat Aug-29-15 10:18 AM
12889283, he makes perfect sense.
Posted by Kwesi, Sat Aug-29-15 10:28 AM
atruhead, if i may.

doublenegative, what i think he's explaining is that your question (the original post) is weak and seems to be misinformed.

you made a post, so it seems that you're interested in discourse about this topic.

you asked a yes or no question, not realizing that we're all in accord about being niggas.

as a result, this post sucks.

finally, because we think you're still searching clarity (or simply, perspective), it sounds like you meant to ask "why are you not ashamed by the word?"

get it?
12889352, respectfully, I copied your words and asked a question
Posted by atruhead, Sat Aug-29-15 05:10 PM
this post didnt go the way you expected

it seems like you want people to be ashamed and they aren't

if that isnt the case, your tone and attitude hasn't been prideful so Im confused by your point

but yes I identify as a nigga
12889383, i'm trying to sort out where you got shame. this is just a discussion
Posted by double negative, Sat Aug-29-15 09:43 PM
this is a check to see what people think

I've never thought to myself "I am a nigga" so I wonder what other modes of thought are out there.

I'm also getting better at making posts that actually go somewhere...you have to leave shit open ended to get the ball rolling.
12888972, RE: Are you a nigga?
Posted by ILLwiLL132, Fri Aug-28-15 11:47 AM
Yep 100%
12888986, no
Posted by Ashy Achilles, Fri Aug-28-15 12:01 PM
12888990, for those who think they aren't niggas. why do you thinkt that?
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 12:04 PM
do you behave differently than the rest of us?
do you look different?
do you think different?

what makes you not one of us?
12889025, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdWnqXfdQ8
Posted by thegodcam, Fri Aug-28-15 12:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdWnqXfdQ8
12889038, why do you think larry made that distinction?
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 01:12 PM
the group of locals were using the word as a 'put-down'.

everybody doesn't do that.
12889120, That was purposely edited to make Sam Jackson's rant look crazy
Posted by csuave03, Fri Aug-28-15 03:39 PM
which takes away from how powerful his rant really was.

They should've included the whole scene.

But you know, some people refuse to let trivial things like facts get in the way of their agenda
12889361, Because when the first people with brown skin came into existence
Posted by Atillah Moor, Sat Aug-29-15 06:40 PM
That's not what they called themselves.

Also what lens are we looking at this through? If through the lens of White Supremacy then sure-- we all are.

But through the lens of reality? Nah. Unless that's how one wishes to see themselves through the lens of their own reality.




13415983, i don't think any of us are.
Posted by Damali, Wed Dec-09-20 07:52 PM
>do you behave differently than the rest of us?
>do you look different?
>do you think different?
>
>what makes you not one of us?

i don't identify with that word and i also don't think of any Black person as a nigga.

at the same time, i hold space for other Black people to identify themselves however they like.

d


"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
12889034, The combination of "Ngr" predates America by a couple thousand years.
Posted by Brotha Sun, Fri Aug-28-15 01:07 PM
"Nigger/Nigga" is just its latest iteration. Ive noticed a trend of black people using nigga in a self-loathing way (nigga shit, niggerish etc) and that bothers me. Nigga isn't something to be ashamed of. HOW its used is a bigger issue to me.

Im off topic...yes Im a nigga, nigga, and we'll be alright.
12889036, my theory is the ones that don't realize this have some self-hate
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 01:11 PM
issues.
12889272, It's unavoidable if the only knowledge we have of ourselves is chains
Posted by Brotha Sun, Sat Aug-29-15 09:38 AM
12889370, Wouldn't that be because the Latins were using it?
Posted by Atillah Moor, Sat Aug-29-15 07:20 PM
Perhaps-- non offensively. Perhaps-- we don't know. We do know the Cartheginians (north Africans) handed them an L they never really let go of.
12889402, this isn't how language works
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Sun Aug-30-15 08:29 AM
and those aren't the same words. It isn't a matter of definition, it's a matter of appropriation. A word that is used as a negative by one group of people with an aligned mentality being simultaneously used by the target group of people as a positive doesn't remove either connotation from said word.
An original word that has an original meaning still maintains its meaning, but when used in another culture in another manner and spelling, it becomes another word entirely.
12889182, Nope.
Posted by godleeluv, Fri Aug-28-15 05:45 PM

πŸ™‹
Music is almost everything.
12889187, of course not. nigga, in this case, is masculine.
Posted by Kwesi, Fri Aug-28-15 06:13 PM
12889280, how is.....english does not have gendered words...what?
Posted by double negative, Sat Aug-29-15 10:25 AM
12889284, be a free thinker, for once in your life.
Posted by Kwesi, Sat Aug-29-15 10:29 AM
12889385, Ok player.
Posted by double negative, Sat Aug-29-15 09:45 PM
12889206, I'm an Af-Am male that lives in a country that hates me.
Posted by Kira, Fri Aug-28-15 07:44 PM
When around people with my background, we speak the same culture. Everyone else can fuck off appropriating my culture.
12889322, You thing katt and bamboozled are the beginning of
Posted by realityrap, Sat Aug-29-15 02:31 PM
Verbal internalization of the word nigga? Lol
12889355, i think he means the genesis of this post
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Sat Aug-29-15 05:26 PM
.
12889384, right. if you go deep on a msg board to open a post thats an L
Posted by double negative, Sat Aug-29-15 09:45 PM
in the age of TL;DR you gotta find a hook

12889389, ^ Deflecting too
Posted by csuave03, Sat Aug-29-15 10:55 PM
Bruh dodging questions like the matrix

'AINT NO CHALLENGING ME'

SMH
12889398, right. I dont play these fuckboy games. Just answer the question
Posted by realityrap, Sun Aug-30-15 05:04 AM
12889415, the question was answered in #68
Posted by double negative, Sun Aug-30-15 10:07 AM
12889414, the fuck am i deflecting?
Posted by double negative, Sun Aug-30-15 10:07 AM
12889421, ^ can't stop, won't stop
Posted by csuave03, Sun Aug-30-15 10:50 AM
12889433, Who am i? Case one suddenly?
Posted by double negative, Sun Aug-30-15 12:16 PM
12889356, I'm an extreme Talented Tenth
Posted by c71, Sat Aug-29-15 05:31 PM
Any inference you could possibly make about the designation Talented Tenth...yep, me.


I had to come through for reply #71, seen?
12889363, ^ Keepin it real
Posted by csuave03, Sat Aug-29-15 06:45 PM
13415931, "oh, yeahhhhhhh........" *Louie voice*
Posted by c71, Wed Dec-09-20 12:15 PM
Yep
12889377, YEAH Nigga.....
Posted by RaphaelSoulLee, Sat Aug-29-15 08:35 PM
U?
12890121, not at all
Posted by jeanlouis61, Tue Sep-01-15 12:33 AM
We are the only culture/race that adopts an insult, an unwelcome branding to become our term of endearment. Special Needs children keep a united front on not using the word "retard". There are many other groups(yes, I am sure that there are some exceptions within) who seem united on not using their offensive terms as a positive term. (Chinks, Spics, etc)

I wont lie, I still and have for a long time taken in entertainment with that word used but made a conscious decision to not use it anymore because it give outsiders a claim to it. (Hulk Hogan, Paula Deen, all the way to young white kids listening to 50 cent). How can you use a sperate set of terms for a group in front of some of your friends that you cant in front of another(possibly your white friends)? Or not allow those friends to use it if you use it in front of them?

I think the defense of it is silly, but I cant stop people from using it, or thinking that its a word of strength and rebellion, when white southern people have used it for years as referencing people who are barely fit to be in the same room with them.

This is a serious topic to me, and I will discuss this through inbox with whoever. I know that discourse over this here will turn into a Game of Trolls episode, so I am not interested.















12890135, "Do you see any niggas?"
Posted by Deacon Blues, Tue Sep-01-15 05:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzl7G9XhLxc
12890154, I knew what that was before clicking it!
Posted by double negative, Tue Sep-01-15 07:43 AM
12890343, who wants to know
Posted by aolhater, Tue Sep-01-15 11:34 AM
12890379, Right now yeah
Posted by godleeluv, Tue Sep-01-15 12:04 PM
I look like a man....dressed as a woman.


Heavy makeup and too big lashes.


Im in a mood
πŸ™‹
Music is almost everything.
12890424, do it matter?
Posted by Kwesi, Tue Sep-01-15 12:44 PM
12890476, to someone, probably.
Posted by infin8, Tue Sep-01-15 01:32 PM
12890488, Sometimes I wonder if American Black men are too invested in niggadom
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Sep-01-15 01:46 PM
>to those of you who use the word to refer to black people
>
>do you ever think "i am a nigga"?
>
>I had a whole post written out about this but....yeah, this is
>the idea distilled.
>
>its one thing to use it in jest, or as a expletive, but its
>another thing to internalize it.

I don't think brothers of African descent who come from other countries are nearly as eager to limit themselves.
I can't completely divest from niggadom myself, but I sure as hell want to make sure my son is a bit more worldly.


12890584, damn. niggas can't be worldly?
Posted by Kwesi, Tue Sep-01-15 03:27 PM
why isn't anyone answering the question: what makes you different than any me or any other nigga?

you smarter? faster? stronger? more well traveled? you like whites?
12890595, Niggas tend to be more static than fluid.
Posted by micMajestic, Tue Sep-01-15 03:43 PM
>why isn't anyone answering the question: what makes you
>different than any me or any other nigga?
>
>you smarter? faster? stronger? more well traveled? you like
>whites?

For the most part, you are just identifying with the conditions you were born into. But what if you weren't born into those same conditions? What if your conditions have changed? Do you have to carry this with you everywhere you go? Do you really walk around worrying what white people think all the time? Do you feel threatened by Black people who don't view themselves as niggas? I mean that's definitely how your response comes across. Sometimes it just seems like unnecessary baggage. It's not that difficult to have cultural pride without feeling like a nigga.

12890680, niggas aint fluid? quit playing around. as a fluid nigga, im offended.
Posted by Kwesi, Tue Sep-01-15 06:07 PM
>For the most part, you are just identifying with the
>conditions you were born into. But what if you weren't born
>into those same conditions?

i don't think it's simply a condition. being a nigga is an established set of attitudes that pilot a black body (born from the americas), specifically.

>What if your conditions have
>changed?

my (or your ) conditions might have changed, but the collective condition hasn't changed. so the war is still on.

>Do you have to carry this with you everywhere you
>go?

Yes.

>Do you really walk around worrying what white people
>think all the time?

less of a worry, more an awareness of how they operate.

>Do you feel threatened by Black people
>who don't view themselves as niggas?

honestly, they are alarming.

>mean that's definitely
>how your response comes across.

that's fine. im okay with that.

>Sometimes it just seems like
>unnecessary baggage. It's not that difficult to have cultural
>pride without feeling like a nigga.

agreed. i, too, wish they would get their foot off our necks and cannot wait until the war is over

...
13415960, it's fluid
Posted by infin8, Wed Dec-09-20 02:21 PM
Abstract nxgga fluidity is a capacity for situation-dependent flexibility in nxgga responsiveness, which allows individuals to experience changes in B/black or nxgga personae across both short-term and long-term time periods.
13415962, Mr. Nigga
Posted by Hitokiri, Wed Dec-09-20 02:39 PM
why are we upping 5 year old posts?
13415963, Right? I feel like the context is lost.
Posted by double negative, Wed Dec-09-20 02:48 PM
I think this was responding to some other posts at the time
13415981, A post with a slur about another group in the title would be locked and...
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-09-20 06:51 PM
deleted but this is allowed β€œonly on OKP...”
13415984, nope.
Posted by Damali, Wed Dec-09-20 07:52 PM

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13416069, Context clues fam
Posted by Mafamaticks, Thu Dec-10-20 01:34 PM
>RE: Are you a nigga?

13416084, lacking or?
Posted by double negative, Thu Dec-10-20 03:44 PM