the clive owen thing i cant speak on because i didnt really keep up with what actually happened


and to reiterate


i honestly believe the feds are very aware of the actual organized groups and probably have decided which ones pose actual threats but thats going on two things

1. you believe in the competence of their domestic intel agencies
2. you believe they arent actually manipulating/pushing these groups through the use of plants/CI's


i do pretty much believe in #1 to be true and not so much believe #2 to be true