https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623700698509758464
https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623703382675460096
https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623705221575749632
https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623713005499318272
https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623713867613368320

https://twitter.com/THEREALKIASHINE/status/623720808712654851

https://twitter.com/OGMaco/status/623703377529163776
https://twitter.com/OGMaco/status/623720394512449536

P.S. This is about my agenda to be a tastemaker and prove something about Kendrick Lamar. This is not about tweets from rappers

This isn't surprising imo

The truth of the matter is this, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU © Pimp C

all in the name of bad music.

You arent happy in life, I see your WED Confessions. Its cool. I won't take your little shots personal. You going through shit in your head. All good bro bro. Mental health first.



____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z

Really hope so. Is Nas and Hov really the last high profile battle?

OVO Fest August 2nd... He dropping something before then or during that

Thats not how rappers seem to settle things nowadays

And we all lose for that

http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=2421569.0

https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623727782279843842

some old lowkey tweets:
https://twitter.com/DJBluetoothOGG/status/567779469831770112
https://twitter.com/PIRULA_RRR/status/573158798162067457

check the credits:
http://genius.com/Drake-if-youre-reading-this-its-too-late-credits-lyrics

Who's Quentin Miller?

Is it lowkey well known that Drake has never written his own shit?

I've never cared enough about Drake to dig deep into rumors about him but now I care.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

I dunno man it doesn't seem, to me, that this Quentin Miller has had anything to say about the situation. I was just asking cause the poster I responded to brought him up. This whole thing is about Meek Mill isn't it?

I'm confused.

all the songs for Drake or something....
Looking at the song credits, Q.Miller is listed as a writer on a lot of the tracks.

SO maybe Quentin Miller isn't in his feelings, & Meek Mill is? That would make more sense honestly.... Quentin Miller is listed with song writing credit so he's getting his $ & recognition.....

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

>SO maybe Quentin Miller isn't in his feelings, & Meek Mill
>is? That would make more sense honestly.... Quentin Miller is
>listed with song writing credit so he's getting his $ &
>recognition.....

at least around the state property/blueprint time

http://necolebitchie.com/2009/09/drake-vs-khia-shine-whos-telling-the-truth/

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

30secs of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGt4DOl411o


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

and they don't buy shit

https://twitter.com/vincestaples/status/623750761973874688

I've only heard one song by Kia Shine and "Krispy" was garbage. It was hard for me to believe that's the cat who was writing stuff for Drake. And I'm middle-of-the-road on Drake. Don't hate him & don't love him.

swore i wouldnt tell
most of yall sharing bars like you livin in a 2 man fell...

oh no!!!

The man he is signed to never wrote a verse in his life.

>The man he is signed to never wrote a verse in his life.

>>RE: but that was never a secret. and he's a producer.

I fail to see how being a producer matters once you step behind the mic.


---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>>>RE: but that was never a secret. and he's a producer.
>
>I fail to see how being a producer matters once you step
>behind the mic.
>

It matters because when your main focus is the sound of the album, you ain't got time to be writing all the rhymes.

>It matters because when your main focus is the sound of the
>album, you ain't got time to be writing all the rhymes.

Quik produced and wrote all 9 of his solo albums.
Erick Sermon co-produced EPMD's first two albums, then produced almost everything on their later albums AND wrote classic verses PLUS produced for his own solo shit, Red, Keith Murray, and a whole slew of artists.
Pete Rock got solo joints and classic material with CL Smooth

and... c'mon... Dilla???

Nah b, that's just pure laziness.

---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Grand Puba wrote for Pete on Mecca and the Soul Brother

If you caint tell by ear, you can check them liners notes,

>The man he is signed to never wrote a verse in his life.

Dre is a producer. People been known he don't write his own raps.

>Dre is a producer. People been known he don't write his own
>raps.

>>Dre is a producer. People been known he don't write his own
>>raps.
>

>The man he is signed to never wrote a verse in his life.

I mean, he was on DeGrassi Junior High

thats not what OGs do


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

Oh....wow....

Rap is now a fully accepted American Art Form...
A LOT of folks are set up to be paid properly for it...
The artistry of it is being taken much more seriously now.
The business side of it is becoming semi-legit now....
The music is actually "better" in many ways.
If it takes 5 cats to write a hit song that actually will stand the test of time, be a hit, and be enjoyable (a formula that Drake has obviously got a good grasp on) then i'm all for it.

I like that rap is growing up like this.....


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

And I have a hard time working up any anger over it

and have Kanye as one of your Gods.


If anyone should get a pass for not writing, it's Drake. He's more of a vocal performer than 99% of rappers. Crazy different, intricate flows...seamlessly transitioning between rapping and singing. Listen to "Take Care" and tell me rapper X can do that.

>and have Kanye as one of your Gods.
>
>
>If anyone should get a pass for not writing, it's Drake. He's
>more of a vocal performer than 99% of rappers. Crazy
>different, intricate flows...seamlessly transitioning between
>rapping and singing. Listen to "Take Care" and tell me rapper
>X can do that.

Producers always get a pass....It's different for artists who are known as strictly emcees....It's the same reason why no one ever cared about Dr. Dre having ghost writers.....

since he's not behind the boards anymore

He is behind the boards. He takes what other producers/beat makers give him and turns it into what he wants.

Of course he can...West still produces...he still quarterbacks other musicians, artists for his prjects...U may not like it, but it's the case...

West has played the role of the traditional hip-hop producer (his early Blueprint work with Jay-Z...his early solo efforts) to the more traditional pop production style of Quincy Jones where a producer oversees musicians, producers and gives direction....

So again, West gets a pass....Dre gets a pass....Other "producers" who happen to rap and use Ghost Writers (Diddy during the height of Bad Boy) gets a pass....

Tht's the way its always been.....

goin to court for the legal right to steal another mans life
after his time as a CO


new generation didnt care abt either of those

It was better when ppl kept angry/bitter feelings to themselves or addressed issues in person.

Of course he will be compared to drake, they are rappers lol

Lol

What has he done again?
What does this situation have to do with him?

Also was meek complaining when drake gave him the verse?
How is it a ghost writer if he's credited?

Is this an example of what Kanye Said on Barry bonds
When I said I don't new writ-teers I might bounce ideas?


Don't all rappers bounce ideas?

Didn't ghost face go thru this with superb?

I Don't have a horse in this race i do enjoy drakes music
Not enough to care about his writing habits
If you're reading this is still dope
Just a few questions.

I'm

Basically....

This myth that there is a rap nigga in the woods writing on scrolls as verses fall from the gods is silly...

It's a dude with his homies (or signed artists) making records... if said homies have good ideas they get credit and publishing..

it's in EVERYONE's best interest in that room to contribute to the business if you want to continue the lifestyle that the superstar in that room has created..

I always thought it was collaborative effort
Like cats might spark the idea for a song concept
Or a chick might tell a rapper no say the line like this
Women will like it better this way

Constructive criticism

Shit a lot of these struggle rappers need homies to throw them
A few bars to be honest.


He Gave the dude credit for it sooooo?

But this post will soon spin into a Kendrick drake debate soon enough

I can imagine how many rappers who get bars
And don't give credit

Like a part of me feels like jay rocks verse
On money trees....I love jay rock but he's never
Rapped like that before or after that verse
But that's neither here nor there.

I'm not a saying he had a ghostwriter
But I'm sure he had a little help on that verse
Which was a dope verse but I'm just saying

Here is his "ghostwriter"

https://soundcloud.com/quentinmiller

You listen.. you hear similarities.. but is this guy better? as good as? Drake

.
.
.
"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case

https://ashadeofpen.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/stacy_keibler_old_telephone.jpg

what prompted this? I'm outta the loop all of this type of news.

cause some woman prolly said Drake was better when she got up to leave in the AM.

i fuck with meek waayyyyyyyyyyyy more than drake.
cry about it.

>https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623700698509758464
>https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623703382675460096
>https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623705221575749632
>https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623713005499318272
>https://twitter.com/MeekMill/status/623713867613368320
>
>https://twitter.com/THEREALKIASHINE/status/623720808712654851
>
>https://twitter.com/OGMaco/status/623703377529163776
>https://twitter.com/OGMaco/status/623720394512449536
>
>P.S. This is about my agenda to be a tastemaker and prove
>something about Kendrick Lamar. This is not about tweets from
>rappers

2) Meek would've taken his own verse(s) off that song before he taking Drake's off... He knows what having Drake on his album will do for his numbers (sales and listens)...

3) I'm not even a big Drake fan, but would much rather hear him sing and rap other people's lyrics instead of hearing Meek yell at me...

4) OG MACO... LoL

I think Drake is very overrated at rapping (though I hate his personality), but he's made songs I really enjoy

https://twitter.com/norm/status/623828839131648000

Drake sampled Wayne's verse that included the beat so Kia Shine can fuck off. OG Maco is a one hit wonder ass nigga MAD he's not more successful. Now let's get to chopping this fable:

MEEK IS MAD DRAKE DIDN'T TWEET HIS ALBUM.

Now that's out of the way, let's talk about this.

Drake is nicer than Meek and Quentin Miller received credit. Meek sells 301,000+ copies of his album and all of a sudden he feels the need to shit on Drake. Meek's music doesn't age as well as Drake's music. Drake receives help in the same way Meek receives help in the same way comedians receive help. Who ghostwrote Comeback Season and So Far Gone?

Meek's bars are so basic and flow so simple anyone could write it.

Let's not pretend Meek is better than Drake. I fucks with Meek but this DRAKE DIDN'T TWEET MY ALBUM SO HE HAS A GHOSTWRITER is whining from a hater.

Might as well listen to the kid...

Quentin Miller

https://soundcloud.com/quentinmiller/tracks

But the Quentin Miller influence is there in some Drake songs. Let's not make it seem like Quentin Miller wrote the mixtapes, Thank Me Later, Take Care, and Nothing was the Same.

^^

look up #meekbelike

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

>look up #meekbelike
>
>-----
>No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the
>American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

lmao @ Obama don't even write his own speeches that's why he ain't tweet my album

I died at that first joint


http://hiphopwired.com/2015/07/22/meekbelike-will-have-you-in-tears/


I like Meeks shit a lot too.

Ha! That first one is hard to beat.

all them dreams wasn't even HIS.

LMAO...this nxgga is getting slayed right now.

.

hinted at it a lil while ago here:
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh0Mz0oJ7NGb9e6H0x

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/funkmaster-flex-leaks-quentin-miller-s-reference-track-for-drake-s-10-bands-news.16643.html

gtfoh i hate that nigga

I swear dude is irritating.


Since 1976

Just pull a kanye and act like it never happened


wonder what's goin behind the scenes BW meek/nicki/drake/young money tho

this quentin dude has some good ideas but they're better of coming from somebody else.
he might as well be called Niquil Miller...sleepy time rap voice.

as long as he's credited like kanye's writers, i've got no problems with it.
good ideas should not go to waste.

all that being said
drake has been removed from the 'great rapper' conversation indefinitely
this is definitely the asterisk next to his name

Seems like q only helped with the swaggy
Club joints

Drake still wrote "legend"
"6pm in New York"
"Preach"
Jungle
Energy

I mean the credits show he wrote those
I'm not gonna sit here assume that all of his shit
Was written by somebody else

Is it safe to assume drake wrote the 2nd verse if 10bands?

Fuck why am I defending drake?
Lol

I just want to give him the benefit though

Edit. Damn he helped drake on legend????
Fuuuck

but if you doing features using verses you didn't write
i can't really trust or know for sure what you did or didn't write
not all ghost writers are credited
so hence the asterisk

truth be told drake isn't on any great emcee lists with me anyway lol *shrug*
i just started really fucking with him as a rapper recently
over all i'm not impressed with him as a rapper like that at all

Lets just not even discuss it man

>this quentin dude has some good ideas but they're better of
>coming from somebody else.


It's so funny that this is what I've always said about Drake.
I always said he should be a ghostwriter and let someone else perform, because his
voice isn't good and he sounds like he's imitating other artists when he tries to add "umpf"
to his performance.

If dude isn't even writing his own shit, he has absolutely no value as an artist, imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You%27re_Reading_This_It%27s_Too_Late#Track_listing

Quentin Miller was credited for five tracks on this album. That leaves 12-14 tracks on the album....

FUCK Flex and Hot 97 for always hyping beef.

Did Meek give Lil George credit for stealing the hook from I got that juice?
Did Meek give Prince Eazy credit for stealing his flow?

Let's run through Drake's old albums track by track:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Far_Gone_%28mixtape%29#Track_listing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Far_Gone_%28EP%29#Track_listing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_Me_Later#Track_listing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Care_%28album%29#Track_listing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Was_the_Same#Track_listing

*EDIT*

Drake is still the best artist of his era. Anyone talking this ghostwriter BS needs to post their favorite artist's discog. Anyone else credited for the track other than the producer and artist disqualify their favorite artist if that is the criteria that we're applying. In this era that criteria is impossible to enforce because EVERY ARTIST HAS HELP.

chill a little bit at least.

I'm fine with a singer like Beyonce or Alicia Keys having a writer because she can actually sing. That's talent.

I'm even fine with Dr. Dre and Kanye West having ghostwriters because they produce great beats.

But if Drake isn't writing his rhymes then what exactly is he bringing to the table? The ability to catch a beat and flow on a track?

a track with Quenten Miller flowing on it would go wood..

a track with Drake on it goes triple plat

it's no different than actors (pun intended) in a movie. If you have a Blockbuster script do you get Will Smith or use the talented off broadway actor?

That analogy doesn't make sense, actors are trained to interpret characters. Rapping is not that hard technically the talent comes with what your saying and how your saying it, if its not coming from you thats fine for the industry but i think encourage to value the art.

why do you think so many rappers become actors?

don't get it twisted, its not easy to write a good rapnrecord that can sell millions of albums.

so once a rappers sells millions it makes sense to give songs to him instead of trying to jump start a newbies career. it's incredibly hard for the industry to find artist who connect with the masses and one who is able to,connect with the women will damn sure get help crafting songs.

the average rapper who is successful records a shit load of material before they drop an album.

too many fans think an artist has an idea for an album and only writes 12 songs and throws a title on the album and collects checks.

if every other genre in music has writers why wouldn't rap? it would be foolish to invest that money into a career and not look for talent to help them put out the best product possible.

Rappers become actors because their both performance art, even if you wrote the song theres a performance factor , timing, speech, body language, playing with different tones etc. i don't see the correlation that if they can they can automatically rap.

Rapping is the skill but making music requires more than just rapping skills it needs concepts, complimentary, cadences etc .

The more hiphop becomes like other genres the more loses its uniqueness. Black people have unique experience and it should be expressed its own way. Thats probably the reason kids don't know hip-hop history because its not hip-hop from the culture but from the mainstream perspective.

Don't get me wrong i know the industry and how it goes and i'm not arguing because they have to do what they have to but i feel like people should fight for the integrity of the game just like baseball did with Steroids

Until fans walk away from the game it will be viewed as an acceptable offense.

Note I said it is an offense but its not bigger than the game.

Drake fans and rap fans arent going to refuse to listen to classic shit or hot shit jist cause the rapper had help.

This is some round table back room shit. No one really cares once the DJ gets the party started


and one more thing, steroids brought baseball back after the strike... and in a way Drake brought back rap (not really but he damn sure helped) after a shitty 2005 to 2010. Niggas stepping their bars up and its been good for rap IMO.

Florida and Pitbull fans don't care either, so whats your point?

It matters to Drake though he wants to be recognized as a great, he wouldn't even admit because he wants respect as an mc, his fans wants to hear the hits but he wants respect for his talent and he always how he takes time to write, 40 came out defending him saying he does write so drake does wants to be respected. Drake cares what his fan think of him because if he's not respected he won't be place among the greats and thats his aim.

its always funny when the curtain gets pulled back on the wizard.

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624018747284660224

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624019351243497472

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624019739413753857

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624021399984820224

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624025316013551616

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624025979971850240

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624026077481074689

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624026234184466432

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624026421950836736

https://twitter.com/OVO40/status/624026594995269632

He's gonna defend him to the grave

he said everything but
"drake writes all his own rhymes"

Tracklistings are posted so point out the ghostwriters.

period
even when they get writers credit.
puffy and dre had ghostwriters.
they got writing credit.

s. carter, ghost writer.
and for the right price, i can even make YO shit tighter.
- jay z

hov alluded to his name being in a lot of peoples songwriting credits.
still refers to himself as a ghostwriter
(as hip hop has always done)

no more needs to be said.

Y'all making it seem like Quentin Miller wrote those songs and handed them to 40. That's not the case as we're talking about five songs on 17 to 19 track album.

We can play this game for every artist even Hov. Did Young Chris ghostwrite for Hov? Hov is the GOAT but if I go down his discography I'll find someone else credited besides himself and the producer on some tracks. Does this fact diminish his greatness? Is he less of an emcee because an artist "assisted" him with a bar or two.

and still be jihading to the fullest.

your boy got caught with the smoking glue gun
and you bringing up rumors and hypotheticals for other artists
tryna make something stick.
lmao.

stay you bro.

... and y'all fanboying trying to discredit Drake because of anger that he's on. Flex has been waiting for years to tear down Drake so fuck him.

Two reference tracks that an artist is credited for on an album is a smoking gun?

For anyone to take this seriously we need ENTIRE TRACKS of ghostwritten material. Not three bars here and there. Flex piggybacking off Meek to make a big deal out of nothing.

Who ghostwrote So Far Gone?
Who ghostwrote Thank Me Later?
Who ghostwrote Take Care?
Who ghostwrote Nothing was the same?
Who ghostwrote the rest of If You're Reading this it's too late?

Once again, credits are posted so feel free to chop the fable.

I resent that statement because I provide a proper perspective on issues. Y'all not always honest ol "posting-for-kudos-ass" people. Jihad is disrespectful because I won't die over some of the stuff I post.

your self satire game lit as fuck.

fuck it you my lineal champ now.

>Two reference tracks that an artist is credited for on an
>album is a smoking gun?

>
>For anyone to take this seriously we need ENTIRE TRACKS of
>ghostwritten material. Not three bars here and there. Flex
>piggybacking off Meek to make a big deal out of nothing.
>
>Who ghostwrote So Far Gone?
>Who ghostwrote Thank Me Later?
>Who ghostwrote Take Care?
>Who ghostwrote Nothing was the same?
>Who ghostwrote the rest of If You're Reading this it's too
>late?
>
>Once again, credits are posted so feel free to chop the
>fable.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/22/drake-ghostwriter-quentin-miller-10-bands-track-leaked-meek-mill-audio/

gonna be a cold summer for drake fans.
bundle up.

LOL at haters getting gassed up over a track that consists of QM doing Drake's lyrics for sake of the reference.

Good for TMZ but Drake's music is too personal too fully ghostwrite. This is the hip-hop equivalent of Mike Epps going at Kevin Hart.

Drake's career could end tonight and it still shat on Meek. Drake is Apple and Meek is LG because Drake's single album sales shit on Meek's career.

https://instagram.com/p/5dgmabMKS6/

https://instagram.com/p/5dgq43MKTC/

For puffys heartfelt tribute to big lol


>but Drake's music is too personal too fully
>ghostwrite.



>
>

look, at the end of the day most people don't give a shit but you can't say "since it wasn't the whole song it doesn't count" or "since it was only 4 out of 17 tracks it doesn't count"

it's like saying Pete Rose didn't bet no EVERY GAME so he didn't really bet on games.

That isn't how it works.

Your best bet is to accept that he has ghostwriters and not give a fuck because you enjoy the final product.

anything else makes you look foolish.

>look, at the end of the day most people don't give a shit but
>you can't say "since it wasn't the whole song it doesn't
>count" or "since it was only 4 out of 17 tracks it doesn't
>count"
>
>it's like saying Pete Rose didn't bet no EVERY GAME so he
>didn't really bet on games.
>
>That isn't how it works.
>
>Your best bet is to accept that he has ghostwriters and not
>give a fuck because you enjoy the final product.
>
>anything else makes you look foolish.

Where's the conclusive proof Drake has ghostwriters? It's not on ANY of the mixtapes. QM spitting some of Drake's bars on a reference track don't count because he's signed to OVO as in the whole team. I posted the tracklistings to the albums above so find the ghostwriters.

If receiving an assist in from someone is ghostwriting then EVERY EMCEE OF THIS ERA has ghostwriters. Do you really think no one in the TDE camp came with a strong assist?

Y'all gassed over some bars from a reference track on a former throwaway mixtape as alleged proof Drake isn't the best emcee of his era. Yeah, FOH with this shit. Once again, Drake's music is too personal to be ghostwritten by someone else.

I'm a fan of Drake but c'mon nigga... he raps about fame, bitchez, haters and sprinkles in shit about his youth every now and then... and he sings about girls a lot.

Thats it.

Conclusive evidence... lmao

>I'm a fan of Drake but c'mon nigga... he raps about fame,
>bitchez, haters and sprinkles in shit about his youth every
>now and then... and he sings about girls a lot.
>
>Thats it.
>
>Conclusive evidence... lmao

They aren't so this moot but if they were then I side with the haters. His music is too personal to be ghostwritten because most of the content on his first five albums (three albums + two mixtapes) revolves around his life. Oh yeah I become a hater if ANY of the freestyles in various places were ghostwritten.

Stop it, you are really sounding sensetive about this shit. There is no magical time frame that makes it acceptable or unacceptable.

You like his music, that should be enough, the only people who should care enough to turn their back on him are the purist who already didnt like him.

>and still be jihading to the fullest.
>
>your boy got caught with the smoking glue gun
>and you bringing up rumors and hypotheticals for other
>artists
>tryna make something stick.
>lmao.
>
>stay you bro.

I lost my ENTIRE shit!
Might lightweight be the funniest reply I've seen
in 2k15...goddamn.

>he said everything but
>"drake writes all his own rhymes"

Ninjaz in here truly reachin' for da starz wit it
cold pullin pleas out da ether n shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpfXAcf5SM

this shit abt getting to the TOP & then staying there

have ghostwriters?

Meek and them can scream all they want but drake fans DON'T CARE..

Meek and em are going to take an L on this because in 2015 99.9% of main stream rappers perform with a vocal track.

I watched a dude at the BET awards preshow rap a total of 10 words from the song and the crowd didn't care..

they sang the hook, the verses, the adlibs and all he did was huff and puff on stage.

85% of fans don't care in 2015

The people who didn't like Drake are using this to fuel their anti drake desires.

All off the word of Meek Mill and Funk Flex. 2 men who can't talk at normal volume. IT MUST BE TRUE, LOOK HOW LOUD THEY TALK.

This should of been deaded in hip hop a long time ago. If the greatest singers of our time can have people writing for them why can't rappers?

>This should of been deaded in hip hop a long time ago. If the
>greatest singers of our time can have people writing for them
>why can't rappers?

If you got people writing your bars, you can't be the best. Let me find out Rakim, BDK, KRS, Kool G, etc had cats writing their rhymes.

You gonna stop dancing to Paid in full when it comes on at a party?
Warm it up Kane gonna stop you from doing the running man?

of course not.

>You gonna stop dancing to Paid in full when it comes on at a
>party?
>Warm it up Kane gonna stop you from doing the running man?
>
>of course not.

No but they would lose stripes. When talking about the best I wouldn't be mentioning them.

n/

>This should of been deaded in hip hop a long time ago. If the
>greatest singers of our time can have people writing for them
>why can't rappers?

That's always been a thing in hip hop. You weren't genuine unless you wrote your own shit, good or bad. I'll respect a shitty lyricist over a cat with ghostwriters 'cause the shit lyricist did it himself, that's really him/her on the record, that person's heart poured into the record, not the next nigga's interpretation of who you are.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

You listen to see if its hot or not...

A few fanatics and producers will check to see who made the bear.

Writing your own shit is definitely in the rule books but its like old school QB's calling his own plays vs todays QB's who have a playbook on their wrist and get photos of coverages on fax machinesmon the sideline.

Now if Meek Mill is pissed because he got murdered on his own song by Drake and someone else wrote his verse I feel him... I would be mad too but you cant win over the public in 2015 with that old school rule book.

Dude got songwriting credits on his shittiest album that was a throw away to fulfill contract obligations. And the credits are there!!

I mean are cats really thinking dude or someone else wrote all those other more popular songs that don't list anyone else in the credits??!?

Even folks who people think of as lyricist do this like Snoop. Folks think Snoop is fraud!??!?


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

when he was on top best believe emcee's woulda talked about it.

That shit was a serious offense back in the 90's

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"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case

I mean because i'm most certainly not.

https://instagram.com/p/5dgmabMKS6/?taken-by=lupefiasco

https://instagram.com/p/5dgq43MKTC/?taken-by=lupefiasco

somebody should lock lupe, krs, chuck d & cube in a room & tell they cant come out until they've authored a handbook.

*Listens to Adoration of the M.A.G.I. for the fifty eleventh time*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=51&v=2yfwAbHGMlk

I'm still waiting for Lil George and Prince Eazy to get their credit...

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-22-2015/aV7q3n.gif

But carry on.

Between this and the kobe Bryant shit... you are one of the worst posters here period. Get salty if you want to

>But carry on.
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>Between this and the kobe Bryant shit... you are one of the
>worst posters here period. Get salty if you want to

Why would I be salty? I'm happy I inspire you to log into OKP. I feel honored to have such an impact on your existence.

gut instinct as always is "fuck Drake in the goat ass, he's the rap establishment, drowns whatever he touches in in poo poo sauce with the half-ass shit"

If....

your influence creates mad clones... and said clones sound like you, rap like you but not as well... somewhere in there they have good ideas... but since you are the original you can parse the dope shit from the noise and make those good ideas work...

Is it even jacking... if you steal from you son?

lol

And all Rembrandts are Rembrandts even if Rembrandt didn't paint that Rembrandt?

That ain't hip-hop, tho.

lol.. who knows.. just a question posed

but that's exactly



what it is..

Either way your still reciting stuff you didn't write.


Its one thing if your building with crew and you guys are throwing a line or something but its a whole different thing to get reference track there's the intention to take other people's stuff.

this was a whole diff thing...

In relation to the reference... if the kid is on the payroll its his job to do reference tracks.. same way K dot did one..

this is a business baby

shawty cant eat no props

Their business is their is not mine. i don't profit financially in neither of their career.

I dig it but i respect the culture and if a rapper is not coming up with your own stuff or the material is not coming from an organic place they its biting. and biting is not cool with me in hip-hop, i don't care who did it before its whack. I'll enjoy the music but i won't respect the rapper that tries to pass other people's stuff as their own and want to compete with other rappers.

Too be real it wouldn't be an issue if people said that about Flo-ri-da or pitbull because they don't run and act like their the best rappers in the world, at least be real about it. All defending the practice like them niggas be on front street thats some behind the scene stuff people try to keep concealed because they want to create a perception about them.

is that I'm just as ambivalent about Drake as I was before.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

to have "help" writing songs and Meek is well within his right to call him out about it, based on "rap rules".

that's nowhere nears cool imo

and i'm a big fan of both

>that's nowhere nears cool imo
>
According to Meek, he didn't find out Drake didn't write that verse until after the fact. Who knows how true that is though.

that's just my guess tho. no way something this petty is just over a couple ghostwritten bars. Drake was prolly texting Nicki those Marvin's Room lyrics

“10 Bands”

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/funkmaster-flex-leaks-quentin-miller-s-reference-track-for-drake-s-10-bands-news.16643.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXOHa7mCY74

http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/quentin-miller-speaks-about-drake-ghostwriting-rumors

"Winter 2014… I was just another guy working a job he hated with a passion for music…. And somehow found myself on the phone with One of my idols.. i told him i worked in a bakery and his exact words were “Fuck that, your destined for greatness"… Hearing that from someone that I’ve been studying since 2009, bar for bar…. Theres no way to describe that..

Most of the project was done before i came in the picture.. i remember him playing it for me for the first time thinking "Why am I here?” like.. what does he need me for?? The answer is.. Nothing… I watched this man piece together words in front of me… I watched him write/ replace bars 2- 3 at a time on 6pm in NY.. I witnessed him light up, go in and freestyle madonna…. I took notes from the best in the game….

I remember him Showing me the thank you notes in NY before the album dropped.. Showing me the QM, telling me they put me on the credits (Ghostwritter???) … He attached my name to something that touched the world.. When nobody would pay attention, drake saw something in me and reached out… Of all people… drizzy.. Two artist in exact opposite spaces in their career.. We came together and made something special.. I am not and never will be a “ghostwriter” for drake.. Im proud to say that we’ve collaborated .. but i could never take credit for anything other than the few songs we worked on together .. Thats all i have to say on it.. back to this 1317 shit… - Q.M."

he got the dick AND balls and everything.

*pause*

>but i could never take credit for anything other than the few songs
>we worked on together .. Thats all i have to say on it.. back to
>this 1317 shit… - Q.M."

There you have it. He wrote some of Drake's raps.

so he "collaborated" with drake.
his vocals arent featured on the songs.
he didnt produce the beat for the songs.
but he got writers credit.
ummm...that means he wrote for drake lol.

i like how he conveniently didnt address the leaked reference track
like the whole internet didnt hear it lol.

or how songs are created. Its really not rocket science. I've been in studios where I suggested saying something different or suggested a different way to start a line or even changed a melody. You get writing credits for that. In his case he's brought in to write to beats in the way he would normally do that so the artist, Drake, can take the cadence, a line or words, etc rewrite the rest that he doesnt like. The person who started off the track or influenced it or had words that landed on the final product get writing credits. Thats it. Its no different than when producers collab together in studios. Or when Kanye has like 10 producers credited on songs. SOMEONE in that group of names started out the foundation of the beat, everyone else came in and made it better.



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>In his case he's brought in to write to beats in the way he would
>normally do that so the artist, Drake, can take the cadence, a line or
>words, etc rewrite the rest that he doesnt like.

drake reciting entire lines and verses and hooks
that another nigga created.

did you niggas just meet hip hop? lol

Its where you get paid off and dont get points off the song. You cant win any song writing awards from ASCAP because you were paid under the table, theres no paper trail that you were even part of the song.....fam. Did you just meet the music industry? You are making yourself look very uneducated but just want to keep sticking to the script because you TRIED to make a point. Keep doing it, tell me how that works out for you lol


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thx for confirming that hip hop is new to you.

but at least you now admit that he wrote for drake.
you just moved the goal post to credited/uncredited.

We are not arguing about music industry practices its about biting being wackin the hip-hop culture period. No more no less.

Go back to writing Honey 2 or Save The Last Dance 2 lol

The dude isnt a backpack rapper anymore, He's a rap star and pop artist. Is he getting the award for most rappity rapper of all time? LOL no. I'm pretty sure he or any of his fans even give a shit about that.



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Also the drug dealers from my neighborhood make money lots of money too but doesn't mean much good come from it.

You can a thousand a hit songs 100/songwriters whatever I aint knocking that but it's not respectable in this art form called hip-hop. Thats why itsa secret because we supposed to believe that they wrote it though right.
It is what it is though let em cook I dont evenbecause I dont listen to Drake but principles are principles and they should be adhered.
It has nothing to do rappity rap as long as its created organic makes me respect the mc the ghostwriters are rappers too aren't theyhell there probably are backpackers too.

... by letting people live out their dreams by contributing to what was known as a throwaway mixtape one year ago. QM gets to live his dream and get paid more in a year than he could've made last year at the bakery.

Would you give up your job for substantially less pay to begin a career you love?

Nothing changes as Drake is still great, still more consistent/better than Kendrick, J. Cole, *yawn* Wale, and ALWAYS YELLING ASS MEEK MILL.

We know Drake didn't need dude for anything because of his previous albums and mixtape. Drake just a charitable dude.

Dis ninja Q, with uncanny mystique, tapped into the ether and
managed to deny ghostwritership AND ADMIT ghostwritership in
the same damn paragraph.

Muthafukkin Kirigakure Saizo of the mist Kasumi-giri ass ninjaz, man.

I think what folks dont realize is all this hoopla..... might end this kids career...

The kid grew up emulating drake..readily admits that.. his career in the industry is best served in association with his idol... helping out and hopefully learning just as much

if that ends.. where is he gonna go?... None of his songs are radio hits.. he didnt even get a chance to have publishing on one..

So now.. any time a drake record drops ppl are gonna look for this kids name.. which more than likely means he's done being associate with ovo..

Now what? Who else is gonna work with the kid who sounds like Drake and gave drake lines? Sure.. he can drop his own shit.. but peep his soundcloud.. are any of those out the park hits?

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>I think what folks dont realize is all this hoopla..... might
>end this kids career...
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Why? Drake shouldn't care, right? Just keep working with the kid.

Drake is jewish...

He's ALWAYS worried.. lol

http://www.mtv.com/news/2221917/hip-hop-ghostwriter-explains-how-it-works/

When Meek Mill accused Drake of enlisting writers to help pen his rhymes this week, the Philly MC left hip-hop fans with more questions than answers. Then, when Hot 97’s DJ Funkmaster Flex played an alleged reference track for Drake’s “10 Bands” on the radio Wednesday, things got even crazier.

Rappers with writers is nothing new; artists like Dr. Dre, Diddy and Kanye West are all known to have used writers in varying degrees. Still, for an MC like Drake, who is widely regarded as one of the game’s top lyricists, the accusations are shocking and could be damaging.

Most fans don’t know the politics of rappers with writers, and that’s because in hip-hop a ghostwriter is supposed to remain quiet. They very rarely speak out — until now.

On Thursday, I sat with a well-known rapper, who moonlights as a ghostwriter for multiplatinum, Grammy Award-winning and iconic hip-hop artists. This writer, who we will refer to as Aaron (in order to protect his identity), walks us through the process of ghostwriting and explains why hip-hop fans are freaking out about the new Drake rumors.


(MTV News debates what these Drake allegations really mean)
MTV: How does someone go about becoming a ghostwriter?

Aaron: The thing about ghostwriting is it’s extremely tough to get into because the lane is so small and it’s such a secret society. So there’s the trust factor that a lot of people have to have with you, there’s people not wanting you to get in. Let’s say, if this guy over here is a ghostwriter and y’all are friends, he’s probably not going to help you become a ghostwriter and get into that world, because the world is so small and if he does that, then he’s potentially taking bread out of his pocket. So it’s hard to get in, it’s very hard to get in the door. Once you’re in, you’re kinda in for a while, but getting that first crack is extremely tough.

MTV: What is it that attracts an artist to a writer? What are the attributes that artists look for?

Aaron: There’s so many ways that it could be played out. You could be an artist that’s moving around, selling records, creating a buzz and then the person looking for help may hear you, reach out and come to you. Or it may be vice versa, you may have a connect to a certain artist, a certain rapper, you may have a connect to their A&R, their assistant, their management or whatever and you’re pitching them records. You’re giving them your stuff or stuff that you whipped up specifically for them. There’s so many ways that it goes about, but it really becomes a trust factor of being able to keep all that under the rug and then also being able to get the job done. Most of the time ghostwriters are either artists themselves, or aspiring artists.


MTV: Can you break down the difference between the two types of writers?

Aaron: You have two different types of people who are ghostwriters. One is the person who is an artist, moving around doing their thing so people are reaching out to them for help. Or on the other side is somebody who wanted to be an artist their whole life, but they haven’t cracked it yet. And a lot of times those become the best writers. To be a writer is one thing, but to actually be an artist, there’s a lot of other moving parts. There’s the flow, there’s diction, there’s the look, image, brand and some artists don’t have that… It takes a lot of moving parts to be a successful artist and if you don’t have those parts and you only have a pen, then you can sell that pen to somebody else who has all the parts but no pen. You can make money and live a life and still be able to walk to the store and not get harassed.

MTV: Once you get tapped by an artist to write, what happens next? Is there an agreement that’s signed before you step in the studio?

Aaron: I never had an agreement , so I can’t speak on everybody’s situation, but to sign an agreement before you go in would seem very rare. I would assume you’d have to be writing for somebody who’s looked at as never having a writer. It would have to be a Jay Z, and obviously we know Jay isn’t getting any help. Jay’s written for other people; Jay’s been writing for people since 1996. For the most part it’s just a vibe, it’s really going in the studio, catching a vibe, building, feeling each other out and just making music. It usually starts with one song and that turns into more. It’s like a trial and error. You see how that goes and then you keep going.


MTV: Some writers receive writing credit, some do not. It’s wildly assumed that being a ghostwriter means that you receive no traditional writing credit. Can you break that down?

Aaron: You’re still a ghostwriter if you’re getting credit, the difference is if it’s public knowledge. When you look at album credits and track one has five or six names on it. The artist, you know his real name, that name may be first. The second name is the producer’s name, so that name is there. Let’s say there’s a Michael Jackson sample, so you might have Michael Jackson’s name there. You might have Quincy Jones’ name there, because he produced the original Michael Jackson record. So now you got so-and-so rapper, so-and-so producer, M. Jackson from the sample, Q. Jones from the sample and then there’s a fifth name and it becomes, “Who’s that fifth name?” And that’s when people start doing research and trying to figure out who’s this fifth name on this record. And that’s when you start getting to the bottom of things. You gotta really read the credits. There’s a lot of musicians on the record, you may have 10 names, it doesn’t mean 10 people wrote the rhymes.

I say all that to say, you’re still a ghost if your name is in the credits… It’s still hidden, it’s still tucked away, that person isn’t doing interviews running around saying, “I wrote this and I wrote that.”

(CyHi the Prynce explains his writing credit on Kanye West’s Yeezus)
MTV: Writing doesn’t have the same stigma in other genres like R&B, but in hip-hop it’s taboo. Why?

Aaron: When you look at R&B and you look at pop and all these other genres of music, it’s nothing to have writers. I see a lot of people arguing for different artists, saying, “Well, Michael Jackson had help with this and Mary J. Blige had help with that. And Usher had help with that.” That’s very true, the reason is because in R&B and pop it’s about so much more than what you’re saying. What you’re saying may be the last piece of the puzzle. It’s about vocally, can you hit octaves and ranges. And if it’s not dancing, it’s playing an instrument. So you take somebody like Alicia Keys, she has to be able to sing, she has to be able to play instruments, and then the writing is just the added component — and we all know Alicia Keys writes — but if she’s not writing a certain song, that’s not what she really came there for anyway. She came to sing and play the piano. Usher came to sing and dance, Mary came to sing and occasionally dance. It’s about those components.


(Dr. Dre’s “Still D.R.E.” was written by Jay Z)
MTV: So what’s different about hip-hop?

Aaron: The requirements in hip-hop are not about being a dancer, it’s not about being able to play the guitar and drums while you’re rapping, or even DJ’ing while you’re rapping. It is literally about what you’re saying, that’s it. And that’s why people have such a problem when they find out an artist that they look up to is getting help. It’s like, “Wait a minute, all you’re supposed to do is worry about what you’re saying.” I know an R&B artist may not have written their song, but I’m not coming to them for that, I’m coming because their voice is amazing… so it doesn’t matter if this guy or that guy wrote the record. With rappers, you’re only coming to them because they can rap. So if you’re not rapping, what are we doing, why am I here? And that’s the tug of war that the older fans understand from a different generation and the newer fans don’t get… Of course flow is a big part of it and cadence and different things like that. 100 percent, but it’s very different from hitting nine octaves like Mariah Carey.


(Kanye West plays an early version of “Lucifer” for Jay Z)
MTV: If somebody wrote a hook for a rapper, is that more acceptable?

Aaron: Yeah, it’s more accepted because it’s the hook. The hook is eight bars — it’s really four bars looped up twice, so it’s a little more acceptable with that. It’s even more accepted when the hook comes with the beat. A lot of times a producer like Kanye West or Pharrell or Swizz Beatz, they’ll give you a beat with the hook in place. So if you don’t take the record, they’re going pitch that record to somebody else. That’s common knowledge. If you watch “Fade to Black” the Jay Z documentary, Kanye was playing all of those beats for Jay for The Black Album with the hooks. The “Encore” beat was playing and ’Ye was spitting the same hook that you now hear Jay spitting on the record. The “Lucifer” beat was playing and Kanye was spitting the same hook that Jay was spitting when you bought the album — he changed a line or two, but ’Ye wrote those hooks. It’s not because Jay needed a writer, it’s because when Kanye made the beat as a producer, he had a vision for what the hook should be and he pitched the beat with the hook and Jay just wrote around it. That happens all the time. When the producer pitches the hook with the beat, that’s not ghostwriting at all… When it comes to those verses and the whole song, that’s when we have an issue.

MTV: I’m assuming the really good writers take on the persona of the artist they are writing for. How do you prepare for that?

Aaron: For me, I step into that person’s world. I could write for somebody from the south, I could write for somebody from he midwest, the west coast, whatever it may be. I become that person. My job is to take off my hat from where I’m from and become that person. I have to put away my morals, certain things that I may never talk about, certain things that I may never say, certain phrases or views that I may never use, because it’s not about me. A lot of times you hear rappers who don’t write and you can tell who wrote for them and to me that’s an issue. If I could listen to an artist and tell who actually wrote the rhymes than that means the writer didn’t really transform themselves.

Is This The Alleged 'Ghostwriter's' Reference Track Drake Used For '10 Bands?'
MTV: You’ve written the verse and you to present it to the artist that you’re writing for. Are you handing him a sheet of paper? Or you laying down a reference track for him to listen to? What’s next?

Aaron: It’s the reference, it’s 100 percent the reference. A lot of the times you’ll send them the lyrics as well, whether you wrote it down on paper or you’re texting it to their phone. 99 percent of artists nowadays write everything on their phone just because it’s convenient– myself included. But you’re laying down a reference track… You lay it down in that artist’s voice and tone to the exact beat that they’re going to do it to and you give them that. Maybe over the course of a couple of days, they learn it, they got it down and they can go in and record it themselves.


(Quentin Miller’s alleged reference track for Drake’s “10 Bands”)
MTV: Does the artist just spit the rap as you wrote it or do they change some words?

Aaron: A lot of times, even the guys who don’t write a word, they still may flip a line or two. That doesn’t mean I didn’t write the record; you changed half a line and that’s totally fine. That does happen a lot and I think fans get mistaken with that as well. Rarely is a record 100 percent the way you wrote it. Most of the times it’s 95 percent because they’ll change a word or change a cadence. But at the end of the day you wrote that. That’s like if you’re mother is cooking dinner and you put a dash of garlic in the pot and then say, “Oh, I cooked too.” No you didn’t, you put a dash of garlic.


(The Notorious B.I.G’s reference track for Lil Kim’s “Queen Bitch”)
MTV: What happens to these reference track? I remember back in the 1990s when a reference track of Lil Kim’s “Queen Bitch” leaked with the Notorious B.I.G. spitting Kim’s rhymes from a woman’s perspective. It was funny to hear Biggie rap about his lady parts and referring to himself as bitch.

Aaron: When you’re writing for an MC, somebody who gets busy, those reference tracks aren’t supposed to get out. A lot of times what people will do, instead of emailing the songs back and forth, you come into the studio. I go into their studio, write the record, lay it down in front of them, they keep it. It’s in their studios, they have it, I don’t have it. The only thing I have is the lyrics in my phone. I don’t have any proof that I’ve recorded that. If that got out, it wouldn’t be on me, it would be on that artist’s engineer. A lot of times leaks happen because of the engineer. The reference should never have gotten out.

MTV: Drake is viewed as one of the top MCs in hip-hop. An alleged reference track to his “10 Bands” song was recently leaked. Does this hurt him?

Aaron: We look at Drake like he really gets busy, he’s really, really nice. This is a guy who has pretty much hits home runs almost every time he’s went up to bat. So when you find out that there’s allegedly something going on, it is a shock. It is a punch to the gut; it does blow you away. And for some people it’s like, “Oh, that’s why you’ve been so great, because you got a million people helping you.” And that’s what people are trying to come at him with. This is all alleged we don’t know that, but it’s like having a ringer when you’re playing sports.

MTV: As a ghostwriter, at what point do you discuss the particulars of your credit and or compensation with the artist?

Aaron: Once an artist agrees that they want to use that record, that’s when all that happens. The thing about ghostwriting and songwriting is you can write 10 records and nothing gets used. If an artist brings me to their studio and I work on five records, they may not use any of them for their album. These are all ideas and sketches, you never know. When you get that call it’s normally an artist’s manager or lawyer or a publishing company that will reach out to you. There’s a lot of stories of writers doing records for people that never saw the light of day — myself included. You may get your upfront money as a work-for-hire, meaning here’s some money for you coming into the studio everyday. But those records may never have came out. You don’t get paid for real until the song comes out and hits the stores and hits radio. It’s a tough business.

MTV: But when you build a reputation as a writer, I’m sure it gets easier.

Aaron: Exactly. The situation with , who they’re saying wrote for Drake — whether it’s true or not — there’s enough floating around that I’m sure that his phone is on fire right now. Every publisher, other artists, managers, producers are reaching out saying “Hey we need some of that.”

MTV: How much money can a ghostwriter make?

Aaron: It’s endless. It depends on what you write and where it gets placed. If you write an album cut, you’ll get a percentage of the sales and royalties. It may not be crazy, it won’t set you up for life. But if you write a record that becomes “Gangnam Style” or something like that, then you can eat forever. It’s limitless.


(Diddy’s “I’ll Be Missing You” was written by Sauce Money)
MTV: You make a living writing for others, so you benefit from ghostwriting but should hip-hop fans draw a line, or is ghostwriting something that fans should just accept?

Aaron: I don’t know if fans care because of where the generation is now. 15 years ago this wouldn’t have been a discussion. If it was an artist of Drake’s stature 15 years ago, there would be no discussion, there would be no rebuttal, there wouldn’t be a single fan saying, “I don’t care.” With everything going on this week, half of the fans are like, “Who cares?” That’s totally fine. The only gripe that a lot of people have is if you’re an artist that is looked at as being the best and then we find out that it may have not all been you — I think that’s where people are having an issue. I don’t know if this will become a debate in hip-hop though, something will happen tomorrow and make everybody forget about this.

https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624747292483059712

https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624751406348673024

https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624767769561681920


bottom line:
https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624753276563648513

drake can no longer call himself a "legend" and compare himself to the greats like jay and nas. he cant even compare himself to his contemporaries like cole and kendrick at this point.

them niggas playing grand slam level singles while he playing doubles.

>bottom line:
>https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624753276563648513
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>drake can no longer call himself a "legend" and compare
>himself to the greats like jay and nas. he cant even compare
>himself to his contemporaries like cole and kendrick at this
>point.
>
>them niggas playing grand slam level singles while he playing
>doubles.

Drake is a legend and this manufactured hysteria adds to it. BE CLEAR (c) Funk Flex, he's better than Kendrick and Cole at this point. We have the credits for all of his albums and Drake did that.

Oh and Drake can still call himself a legend. Everything thus far is laughable as these artists themselves have admitted they've had help. Joell Ortiz said a friend bouncing bars off them doesn't count as ghostwriting. Sorry to burst your bubble but Drake's still top dawg.

*EDIT*

This proof better be line for line bar for bar proof. None of this two to six bar shit, Flex has hyped.

the welsh town of llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch.

you still my niggadactyl tho.

These mythological Ls don't exist in this post.

The only loss is the haters trying to diminish Drake's status and standing in the game.

For all this talk of Ls, none of y'all have been able to answer any of my questions.

IF Flex had proof he would've played it tonight in full.

A ghostwriter doesnt have to write the whole song...

A reference track usually has a few bars, cadence, some mumbling and maybe a hook and a bridge.

Im getting ready to drive to the coast and I will play his shit because I like it.

But when I go out with friends and we get into the discussion of best rappers, flows etc... best believe this QM shit will be brought up and there is nothing Drake fans can do about it accept point to the charts.

You are doing a fine job looking like a hurt Drake fan who isnt willing to accept reality.

Drake wont die over this. Stop caping for some shit you cant save

Jay Electronica and Stic.Man gave Nas an assist but Nas' legacy is intact.

Yeezus and Pharrell gave Hov reference tracks during Fade to Black. Yeezus performed Lucifer spitting the verse showing Hov how to flow to the track... Hov's legacy is in tact.

Craig Mack allegedly ghostwriting for Big.
Drake gave Hov a reference track for off that....

Do you want me to keep going? None of the OGs legacies are hurting because they received reference tracks. DO BETTER than this fuckery.

You're believing a man that got that thing put in his mouth and was forced to smile for the camera after disrespecting Pac on the west coast? None of this counts because it's not conclusive evidence. If ANY of Drake's first five albums were ghostwritten then I'll take the L, gladly. Until then it's hearsay from a bunch of people mad Drake had the nerve to say you don't need to rush to NYC to make it during a Sprite commercial. Flex and Hot 97 hurt because Drake spit that real.

I'm not hurt by any of this because it's NONE of Drake's material. Joell Ortiz said everyone gets help from their friends so this is a non story. At least Drake gave his friend credit instead of shafting him like some artists do. Drake bounced ideas off someone for a grand total of 30 minutes in studio and gave them credit.

Do y'all fully understand how reference tracks work? Honest question.

I don't know if I have ever seen harder stanning in my life than what homie did in this post. Called Drake a legend. Lmao. Yikes.

Drake can still call himself a legend is what I meant to write but y'all Stanning and it's cool.

>Jay Electronica and Stic.Man gave Nas an assist but Nas'
>legacy is intact.

An assist how? Brainstorming and helping him with ideas on topics he ain't that familiar with?

>
>Yeezus and Pharrell gave Hov reference tracks during Fade to
>Black. Yeezus performed Lucifer spitting the verse showing Hov
>how to flow to the track... Hov's legacy is in tact.
>

He was performing a verse Jay wrote though, right?

>Craig Mack allegedly ghostwriting for Big.
>Drake gave Hov a reference track for off that....
>

Allegedly ain't working. We need proof. Where's this reference track Drake did for Jay?

>Do you want me to keep going? None of the OGs legacies are
>hurting because they received reference tracks. DO BETTER than
>this fuckery.
>

You gotta give us some evidence my man. You just talking right now.

>You're believing a man that got that thing put in his mouth
>and was forced to smile for the camera after disrespecting Pac
>on the west coast? None of this counts because it's not
>conclusive evidence. If ANY of Drake's first five albums were
>ghostwritten then I'll take the L, gladly. Until then it's
>hearsay from a bunch of people mad Drake had the nerve to say
>you don't need to rush to NYC to make it during a Sprite
>commercial. Flex and Hot 97 hurt because Drake spit that real.
>
>

We got a reference track on Drake. All that other stuff you just mentioned means nothing. Gun in the mouth? Forced to smile? I have no clue what you're speaking on. This Drake shit got you tight as hell though.

>I'm not hurt by any of this because it's NONE of Drake's
>material. Joell Ortiz said everyone gets help from their
>friends so this is a non story. At least Drake gave his friend
>credit instead of shafting him like some artists do. Drake
>bounced ideas off someone for a grand total of 30 minutes in
>studio and gave them credit.
>

If somebody writes a good portion of your song, the fair thing to do is pay them. Drake would be getting dogged even more if dude wasn't credited and this leaked. Most of us don't take Drake serious as a rapper. He's an entertainer and he's damn good at what he does.

>Do y'all fully understand how reference tracks work? Honest
>question.
>

I know what I just heard and Drake spit a good portion of that line for line.

you are so gotdamn hurt over this you are delusional.

Life is good and the weather is great. How's life on your side?

Whatever it takes to get you in a good peace of mind is what we need. I'm not tight or mad because none of this changes anything until conclusive proof or evidence comes out.

Before I get back to whatever I'm doing let me point out that Drake had dude in the credits for this album when it dropped and no one said a word........ *back to spirit walk*

but did jay elect make reference tracks for has or did he help him with ideas and concepts?

yeezus and pharrell rapped the hook on those songs and they are on the final product.

Drake is being scrutinized a lot because theres always an issue with him freestyle from his phone, stealing flows (migos, big sean, mike zombie) it just keeps adding up. I know its on the charts and so is puffy and thats cool but if its true that he hired somebody not his friend to ghostwrite and make reference tracks for him then it is what it is.


btw Flex said he has more reference tracks

Nas wasnt on top when Nigger dropped...

The whole reason this Drake shit is in the news is because Drake is still on top.

yeah, so all of the BS has me jogging my memory a bit

but the examples of ghostwriting, co-writing, BS has been well documented at this point

but Nas did pop in my mind

and do recall the story IRT the nigger album and Sticman and Jay-E being rumored to have assisted in writing on that album

just sayin'

niggas got receipts on drake.

if niggas had receipts on nas
then he would lay under that bus too.

We need proof, some reference tracks or something because if they can prove it, Nas taking an L on that one.

but it was late in the game and it wasnt a banget IMO so who gives a shit...

Anything he writes now can't be trusted, but!

...he wrote Illmatic.

And if that's a lie, we fight on that lie.

people (in general, not just okp) coming out of retirement to act like they still care about the "rules" and lyrics when they haven't cared in forever if ever lol

obviously not you, Tru

Guess that's the problem with rap now. Nobody cares about the rules and accept any and everything. Then we want to complain about the lack of quality of current rap. Guess we know why it's lacking now. Even my heroes be giving wack/corny dudes passes. Get paid and keep it moving is the motto now.

where do ghostwriters rappers that are into their pen game right that respect the game. A lot of rappers remain broke because of other factors not necessarily because they didn't have ghostwriters.

Em kept it real, how many has he sold?

Outkast? Jay? lil wayne? nas? etc... i don't think neither of them are broke

Kanye proclaim to be a creative genius and you have to be real to not follow industry trends.

These are some of the biggest rappers

What about all the other rappers who kept it real and went wood? All the rappers who had half a hit and faded to black?

either they couldn't make songs that hit or legal, drugs, and/or label issues.

I'm not saying everyone that respects the craft will be multi-platinum artists, but a lot of top guys do have respect for the game especially the ones that hand longevity.

th

When i say respect i don't know mean underground rappers who rap about keeping it real necessarily i'm speaking on the ones that respect the craft.

the top selling rappers of the new generation are Drake, JCole, and Kendrik and they all spit

Only rule that matters to me is being original and no biting. everything else is a go imo.

>Only rule that matters to me is being original and no biting.
> everything else is a go imo.

Drake losing in that department too so what's left for him?

I don't listen to Drake. My real never recognized him long before this.

WWF matches are predetermined too. Surprise nigga!
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>WWF matches are predetermined too. Surprise nigga!

Hahahahaha!!

- smacked by puffy
- ghostwritten reference track leak
- pillow soft diss record

that would be like the triple crown for a guaranteed career ending back in the day lol.

i still dont see what the big deal is

considering that the rules have changed significantly and now that hip hop has become very big business I cannot understand why it is a negative to use ghost writers if the aim is to keep the ship afloat. (drake is not rapping for yall, fuck it, jay is not rapping for yall. at a point you just want to not fuck up the business of what you do)

at that level given the fact that a lot of people can eat off a high level artist it makes all the sense to keep the momentum up


the whole purist angle is moot in this arena

you cant have one without the other. you cant operate at a grand scale and expect one person to be that consistently profound

some people maybe and even then its really very hard to bottle that lightning


if you want to take the purist angle then you should also be upset that the four elements are not present.

this is hip hop derived music. Drake is definitely Pop and thats fine but pop is calculated form of music, it takes a team of smart and talented people to write in that lane.

if you want straight up pure lyricism then you mgiht want to listen to some mixtapes or something underground and call it a day.

if drake was not as high profile then I would be shocked that he doesnt write everything.



for the record outside of about 5 drake songs I cant stand his shit or shit that kinda sounds like it.....i have old head ears at this point



i hate this thread.

This is better than the Drake track imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iouvXZG1OLs

SMH, someone commented that its not a real beef unless Game jumps in

It makes more since to lock this post since it's about nothing but tweets and petty ass back n forths. Which is why I stayed out of this one in the 1st place lol. Wtf??

.

It ain't the same topic at all. But anyway I saved my reply to the other post.


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Meek took a deuce on his entire career and legacy this week.

And nobody In there right mind I'd comparing this yo takeover and ether. This is an opening shot. Those were endgame tracks that cumulated after years of subliminal tracks and festering competition. You're crazy if you think this is going away in 2 weeks. This is going to be at least a 3-4 song battle because Meek ain't backing down after 1 track. This track wasn't meant to 'settle' the beef because like I said before Meek ain't going to back down off 1 track anyway.

>I'm sure Meek will have a line or two addressing this on his
>next record but we don't need an entire track.

Lol you're not familiar with Meek huh? Meek is going to go in 64 bars and no hook.

And I think that's when Drake is going to hit him with diss #2 that's also going to be played in the club.

Meek will remix that and after that I don't know.

>
>Drake still needs to respond to some of the Pusha T disses if
>he's about taking the direct lane now

Lol nobody is thinking about Pusha except his core fans. And I'm one of em but OG Maco will get bars before Push at this point.

Meek is going to flex that street credibility. Like I said in that other post that was needlessly closed, everyone knows Drake can rhyme circles around dude...He's a falt out better EMCEE than Meek....But none of that will matter if this battle gets serious....Because Meek is going to pull the "u ain't a street nigga" card...And because he's seen as Drake's peer and not as a veteran rapper (Common, Pusha) barking at the young pup, it won't be so easily brushed off...

U talking about bars?...lol...Drake fans better hope that Meek crazy, ig'nant ass and his Philly goons don't lay hands on Lite Bright....

I don't think he's dumb enough to take this off wax and risk jail time. Not to say one of his goons won't try anything to get some fame. But I think this will stay on wax for the most part.

Meeks' goons ain't on papers though....lol....This is not smart for Drake....At all...

And drive users away

>And drive users away


I agree...THIS one makes no sense....Totally different discussion...Should have stayed up....

if that was a problem.


if a "spinoff" has 20+ replies
a)the top flight security mods (of the woooorld) wasnt on their post
b)the 'spinoff' topic has user interest
c)the original thread is overloaded. and many(most?) users get on using their phones.

I stopped by the boards to read everyone opinion on it. Surprised nothing is up.

Because they actively work to kill discussion and drive users away.

Dude has bars, but the beat and the delivery is way too mellow.

tracks, Drakes smart in playing his lane & doin the opposite so Meek can't take his shit & use it against him.

Like, I said, his bars were on point, but the beat and the delivery were just languid. I get it that he's not an aggressive rapper. Neither is Jay, but he overcame that by having a hard ass beat. Regardless of who won, Takeover was a bomb ass song. It pushed Nas to make Ether.

If the beat wouldn't have been so laid back, I could maybe see it for him. With the beat, as is, it's not a win for Drake. If he wasn't gonna come hard, he would've been better off ignoring it.

Nikki or some shit

>Nikki or some shit


I don't think u get it....Meek is kinda nuts...And has people in his clique that like gettin' ignant.....

None of that "text" stuff will work if Meek and crew are willing to put hands on Drizzy....

"Life".

They have way too much to lose.

Stop believing those fairy tales

>"Life".
>
>They have way too much to lose.
>
>Stop believing those fairy tales



It's rarely the "star" that get their hands dirty....It's the star's hangers-on, crew members, weed carrier, ect....

Let's not act like this hasn't/doesn't happen...Hell Diddy is worth well over $500 mil and laid hands on Drizzy.....He also went at a UCLA coach because his son wasn't getting his ass kissed...I would say Diddy has way more to lose than Meek's ass...

Bottom line...Don't ever underestimate the ego of humanity.....

which is funny because its not exactly an exciting or high energy track

... is Meek's Cassidy diss. Now that's a wack diss track. This had to happen but feels useless because it's against Meek. Going against Kendrick or J.Cole would be dope. Lupe would end his career.

Flex has Meek on Monday when they play the reference tracks and unveil Meek's diss record. Flex is mad Drake stated no one needs to come to leave their city for NYC to make it.

*Flex voice*

I *bomb drop* AM *bomb drop* GOING *bomb drop* to destroy you Drake *extended bomb drop*

Pre-emptive response for any new reference tracks that drop on Monday: Drake asked QM to go in and record the vocals to see how they sound like Yeezus did for Rhianna on Midas touch.

so if meek's track is a 0 than this is a 1.

This is more about the ghostwriting accusation and Drake not writing his own shit. Just because you knock Meek down doesn't erase the fact that he used reference track.


You can't even build Drake up you can only try to bring the other ones down like so-and-so did it too like that shit make it better and everybody oh well everybody else jumping off the bridge.

Smh.

3 weeks later.

Meek : " Get em' Barbs! "

Anyway I didn't think the Drake track was that hard but Meek is a fucking cornball. So basically if you're one of his rapper friends that doesn't tweet his album or show him love in the way he feels necessary then you can look forward to him crying about it. Just get in the studio, make good music and stfu with that Twitter non sense. Looking forward to hearing his track... And Drake lighting his ass up after he takes the bait.


So if Drake would had tweeted about the album would we even be to this point?

>
>So if Drake would had tweeted about the album would we even be
>to this point?

relationship?

don't deserve a breath
let alone a verse

Budden isn't his peer and he's not relevant in mainstream rap.

era where if ANYONE dissed you--you come for'em.

If nothing but a bar.


And it stayed on wax.

he had a rant about him too but like most things on Twitter it lasted 2 mins and everybody moved on. Joe's not famous enough for it to still be discussed a week later.

He said he was waiting to receive something in his inbox after saying yesterday that he already has 3 more reference tracks and Meek Mill would be on the show.

And Flex dropped like 6 tracks by Drake or featuring Drake on his show. So the beef is real but Drake is still paying the bills for Hot 97 huh?

Then Meek's own tour DJ says nothing is dropping on Hot 97 tonight and that they'll be in Toronto tmrw (Nicki's tour comes to town). Meek's probably gonna hear so many boos during his set.

This is all too comical lol

>He said he was waiting to receive something in his inbox
>after saying yesterday that he already has 3 more reference
>tracks and Meek Mill would be on the show.
>
>And Flex dropped like 6 tracks by Drake or featuring Drake on
>his show. So the beef is real but Drake is still paying the
>bills for Hot 97 huh?
>
>Then Meek's own tour DJ says nothing is dropping on Hot 97
>tonight and that they'll be in Toronto tmrw (Nicki's tour
>comes to town). Meek's probably gonna hear so many boos during
>his set.
>
>This is all too comical lol

That Drake Hive is so real.....

but it's still funny to me

I was looking forward to hearing Meek had to say, but these dudes lined up for the field goal, and ended up calling an audible that ended in a pass incomplete

I'm not even mad because he's basically a WWF character at this point. But yea. I'm looking forward to see what happens in Toronto. Watch him debut it on stage lol

https://soundcloud.com/octobersveryown/drake-back-to-back-freestyle

Yeah. Also Hot97 keeps taking L's in this because of Flex LOL

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