http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/caitlyn-jenner-bruce-cover-annie-leibovitz

Also time to leave the cities and stock up on water and non perishables.

She's pretty.

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http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/843071.jpg

that begin w/a K.

and that's why it's C-aitlyn??? crazy!

And I was like "THATS IT"

Ever since the Sawyer interview i've been like "She looks like an actress but I can't think of her name..."

That's it!

Maybe it's all the work they've both gotten done

i couldnt figure it out
they look like twins
its scary

Yep. Most definitely.

This fool got that transformer level sex change operation. Cutting edge


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

first reaction was "wow, rene russo" but I think the Jessica Lange comparison is better.

I think she looks good. and if only every trans individual can have annie lebowitz photograph their first public coming out!

Not a man changing into a woman..

Just this old ass man trying to be a sex symbol or some shit.

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/09725dae6f8c1ebb7e036f73577ecffd6d3a936.gif

your sensitivity is also cute though.

said ill leave the phobic alone and just go straight to ageism

"ok, I can let the 'transgender' shit slide, but you gotta please my male gaze to be worthy"

AND men in the public eye now??

HA!!

I expected that tho.
I already know you don't care to understand why, so the backbackforth'n'forth is useless.
Have a good Monday bruh.

.

Because it doesn't change my opinion of it all.

trying to be sexy?

I disagree.

But no matter what you call it, sexy, cute, attractive, striking, daring, bold, wonderful, I call it disgusting.

Which is why I'm not going to debate whether or not the intention is ACTUALLY to be a sex symbol

I was partly being sarcastic. So I don't care that much.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't want to see Betty White in her underwear either.

gets trashed on a daily basis.

Kinda speaks to the twisted world we live in.

Caitlyn is exploiting this no less than Kim did her situation.

sure.

she isn't making all this money from being trashed.

and plenty of people hate on Jenner for this transition.

but maybe you are talking about OKP and not the real world.

Which she does... a lot.

I'm not seeing a lot of that with Caitlyn. Maybe I'm just missing it.

All the posts I see are of admiration and calling her a hero.

>All the posts I see are of admiration and calling her a hero.

she's a hero for her community the same way MLK, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks and the Black Panthers were for us

either.

targeted at vulnerable minority groups - especially where the person making the expression has suffered no harm that can be traced to the targeted minority group.

own feelings when the topic at hand doesn't warrant it at all.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

just in case you need them later.

Good luck.

while i have no general quarrel w/the Kardashians i'm in this more for the transppl.

the other.

Because they're doing this for themselves.

sure, guy.

i.e. You're defending bullshit for the sake of your agenda.

The reality is you're helping their agenda.

sure, pumpkin.

the only agenda I believe is taking place is for all things Kardashian/Jenner to capture America's attention

but it isnt difficult to remove yourself from viewing pop culture

>the only agenda I believe is taking place is for all things
>Kardashian/Jenner to capture America's attention

this is the "bullshit" I was referring to. Not the "agenda".

but disgust is a pretty heavy word to throw around all willy nilly especially dealing with LGBT issues

going off of this post I'd be more inclined to throw you in the bigot pile than the "not a bigot" pile

I don't care.

you aint copping that outfit at dress barn, maybe frederick's of hollywood or some shit.

to me it's sexy-ish in sort of an elegant way, but dude is not wearing something annie lennox or sade would have worn. he's wearing a fucking glorified slip. i think it's somewhat apropos to show his body--after all we are all curious to see the change--but there is no denying it's revealing and somewhat sexual. it goes beyond just "a picture" or showing femininity or whatever. i don't mind it and i am certainly not disgusted, but come on with this up-and-down denial.

show confidence. nothing in the pic says 'come fuck me'. it says 'i'm showing you my body'. but it doesn't say 'i'm showing you my body b/c i want you to fuck'.

i think some of us can't help reading sex into showings of the body - especially when the body belongs to a member of the opposite gender (or whichever gender attracts us) and the showing is mixed w/confidence. but i don't see that Caitlyn or Annie were going for 'sex' in that pic. that's not a Maxim cover shot or even a Cosmo cover shot. THOSE cover shots scream 'COME FUCK ME'. THOSE shots are 'sexy'. THOSE women are usually TRYING to be sex symbols.

http://img004.lazygirls.info/people/monica_dogra/monica_dogra_maxim_magazine_cover_march_2013_9BZkyXdf.sized.jpg
http://journalism.uoregon.edu/~cbybee/j388_u02/projects/CosmoMaximCover.jpg
http://www.celebridiot.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/stacy_keibler_maxim_november_2008_1.jpg
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17400000/-Cosmopolitan-Magazine-Cover-ashley-greene-17404533-1173-1600.jpg
https://fashionartiste.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cosmo-coveraug.jpeg

i don't see it in this shot of Caitlyn by Annie L. maybe there are other pix from the same shoot w/different composition and different intention. there might be some sexy pix in the full spread. but that cover shot ain't one. it's fairly chaste.

i think they went as far as they could while still being tasteful and elegant, but it is definitely subjective and a matter of degree. i don't think dude's categorization was unfair or way off base. i dont quite get his reaction of disgust, but it's his emotion, not mine.

lmao

https://media3.giphy.com/media/B33saVGoouwNi/200_s.gif

i'm scared to see what is

and I said sexy.

trying to be sexy?

please

that's fine.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12818730&mesg_id=12818730&page=#12819076

she nailed it.

After paying attention to the photo though-- it's not really sexy at all (imho) they may have been going for that in a subtle way, but I don't think they nailed it.

I think the nature of the pose if taken with a famous woman in the same outfit would be considered sexy and that the initial reaction by some may come from that disconnect of knowing this is a dude but seeing him propped up as if he were an actress/model type i.e. the usual Vanity Fair tripe.

she's wearing a one-piece something (underwear or swimsuit) on purpose - i think she wants the picture to be revealing. and indeed posing on a magazine cover in that clothing is revealing. i suspect the point is that she has nothing to hide...or at least not much to hide.

but then she keeps it classy by NOT being sexy or vulgar.

Although for some revealing can be sexy.

than it says about the pic itself or the ppl involved in the pic's creation.

Lil chub action popping off in the old khakis and you're angry, eh Daryl?

Its 2015. You'll be ok.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

and I'm the one being questioned.

Irony.

as if all women who pose in pix wearing one-piece swimsuits are trying to be sex symbols.

just askin'

it looks like one but i dunno for sure.

what does it look like to you?

that's some underwear.
i don't care either way just clarifying.

it could be either based on the cover pic.

its ok for you to not know stuff sometimes and just leave it at that.

i dunno if it's a swimsuit or underwear.

>its ok for you to not know stuff sometimes and just leave it
>at that.

not possible..lol

"i'm not sure" = i don't know.

and i'm even 'leaving it there'. in that i'm not attempting to prove whether that costume is a swimsuit or some sort of underwear.

before homegirl's reply i thought swimsuit. after reading it and looking at the pic again i'm not sure.

>its ok for you to not know stuff sometimes and just leave it
>at that.

I was wondering when someone would come with an honest response.

and those who claim they aren't are liars.

>and those who claim they aren't are liars.

Why is the poster a bigot for expressing disgust?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot
noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

— big·ot·ed
\-gə-təd\ adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Examples of BIGOT

He was labeled a bigot after making some offensive comments.
<an incorrigible bigot who hasn't entertained a new thought in years>
“It's scandalous,” he said, in the tones once used by Colonel Blimp, Britain's best-loved bigot, who adorned the pages of the Evening Standard throughout the 1930s. —Nicholas Fraser, Harper's, September 1996

>24. "okay I'll say it: Shit's pretty disgusting. "
>In response to Reply # 0
>
>Not a man changing into a woman..
>
>Just this old ass man trying to be a sex symbol or some shit.

Once again, you think the poster is a bigot because he's disgusted that "this old ass man trying to be a sex symbol or some shit".

Technically, you're a bigot with some of your agendas.

2. despite what he says it's clear he's 'disgusted' by her being a transwoman.

3. he may also be disgusted by her openness about her transition.

>Technically, you're a bigot with some of your agendas.

no, i'm dogmatic.

It's cool to the extent that everyone lets you cook but WE GET IT.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dogmatic


adjective
1.
relating to or of the nature of a dogma or dogmas or any strong set of principles concerning faith, morals, etc., as those laid down by a church; doctrinal:
We hear dogmatic arguments from both sides of the political spectrum.
2.
asserting opinions in a doctrinaire or arrogant manner; opinionated:
I refuse to argue with someone so dogmatic that he won't listen to reason.

^^ that 2nd one is all me.

>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dogmatic
>
>
>adjective
>1.
>relating to or of the nature of a dogma or dogmas or any
>strong set of principles concerning faith, morals, etc., as
>those laid down by a church; doctrinal:
>We hear dogmatic arguments from both sides of the political
>spectrum.
>2.
>asserting opinions in a doctrinaire or arrogant manner;
>opinionated:
>I refuse to argue with someone so dogmatic that he won't
>listen to reason.
>
>^^ that 2nd one is all me.

Once again, you are agenda driven bigot similar to the Rev. A lot of your "reason" is hyperbole that reaches so far Mr. Fantastic would look awestruck by it.

girl, i guess.

It's like roles are being reversed and they don't see it in their actions. It's interesting lurking around here and seeing the bullying going on.

on purpose.

there was an influx of trolls and class clowns a few yrs ago and several of us complained and whined about them but the mods and admins did nothing. so since we couldn't beat them i decided to join them. while i haven't adopted their content i have adopted some of their methods.

for example the 'database' thing i throw around sometimes...that came from SeV (one of the clowns). he seemed to have an extensive history of personal details posted by OKPs that he'd use when attacking on the boards. i joked that he must maintain a database w/the info...and i started joking that i maintain my own database of personal info on OKPs.

>Once again, you think the poster is a bigot because he's
>disgusted that "this old ass man trying to be a sex symbol or
>some shit".




On some technical shit, the gender to use there was "woman", but I done put that in
his face and he ain't see it. Even if he does see it, I believe he would disagree that this
person is, indeed a woman. I think SoWhat believes the same thing. We could both
be wrong tho. SoWhat often skips the step of finding out whether ignorance is rooted
in bigotry or just plain ignorance. I get why, but it makes him wrong a lot. Daryl ain't
really proven himself to be the most openminded on the subject tho.

when they're being called out for their bigotry. bigots almost never own that shit. they will often use words to deny the bigotry but it is revealed in other ways. so whatever homie says directly doesn't tell me as much as the other more subtle indirect shit. plus, i'm not brand new - this is not my first day on the Internet or on OKP.

usually in these posts i have some idea of the history of the person i'm talking to or about that may extend beyond the four corners of the post at hand. that history informs my stance and the conversation.

all throughout the replies in this thread.

I've actually said her and Caitlyn way more than him or Bruce.

I actually haven't said Bruce once.

(emphasis added)

gets trashed on a daily basis.

Kinda speaks to the twisted world we live in.

Caitlyn is exploiting this no less than Kim did her situation.

if you say so.

i'd still disagree for reasons Steph laid out quite well in her reply to you. but, yes, recognizing that she's a woman and referring to her w/feminine pronouns would make the statement less offensive.

the 'man' thing. that says to me that you meant to call her a 'man'.

so i don't understand the point of that hypothetical.

My 3 replies in this sub-section are just repeats of my past replies referring to her as HER and CAITLYN, while you guys are bitching about the fact that I said man once.

sure, pal.

lolololol!!!

i have no problem being wrong - it usually presents an opportunity for me to learn something. and when i'm wrong about a stance i've taken i can own that and accept correction. here i don't see where i was wrong.

you asked if the statement would be LESS offensive if you'd said 'she' was trying to be sexy.

i answered that the statement itself would've been LESS offensive if that were so.

the fact that you later went on to refer to Caitlyn as 'she' in other replies doesn't change the original statement. it also doesn't mitigate that statement's offensiveness.

further, you also said the picture at issue is 'disgusting' and that viewing it made you throw up (or want to). you didn't ask but those parts of the statement are also offensive given the full context here which is part of why i'd said the 'she' change would've only made the statement less offensive.

also, see #147.

so i dunno what 'gotcha' moment you're having w/yourself over there but i hope you're enjoying it.

I wasn't asking anything.

I was repeating my own posts where I was referring to her as "her" and "Caitlyn" including when that question was asked 100 replies ago (see reply 58, dude). And that question was about "sexy" vs. "sex symbol", not the word "she".

You can take whatever you want from my first post.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck.

You believe everyone is a phobe, including yourself anyway. So it's all par for the course.

And even if it wasn't, I still don't give a fuck.

>I wasn't asking anything.
>
>I was repeating my own posts where I was referring to her as
>"her" and "Caitlyn" including when that question was asked 100
>replies ago (see reply 58, dude).

...ummm, both of those posts pose a question, guy.

*shrug*

I wasn't asking you anything.

I was just re-posting the same posts (i.e. quoting myself) in response to you two harping on the first reply post while willfully ignoring the others.

I don't know how else to put it.

Which she does... a lot.

I'm not seeing a lot of that with Caitlyn.

Maybe I'm just missing it.

All the posts I see are of admiration and calling her a hero

it's on a female magazine and a majority of the pics on the covers are not trying to sell sex, just selling clothes and the person. She's in a lingerie body suit, but her legs are crossed, she's sitting back, her expression is subtle, not pouty or exuding sex. even if she was naked, it's about presentation when it comes to being sexy.

now i bet she feels sexy being her true self, and she's confident and that's what you're seeing in the pic. but the pic is not meant to be a sexy pic and if thats' what you got out of it, maybe you should question why you feel that way. because most men aren't looking at it like why is she trying to be sexy.

guess your feelings got a little confused there?

Congrats.

way to flip it and not make it about you and YOUR issue, which is what we are talking about here. Impressed? Well she does look good, so yeah I am considering how she looked as a he. But the discussion is on why YOU think it was a sexy pose and how old ppl shouldn't pose like that.

As usual, OKP is in a rush to take a minimal amount of words (part of which was sarcasm) and run a marathon, when it ain't that deep.

I really don't care either way.

But if Bill Cosby was standing on the cover of a magazine in his boxers, what would be your opinion?

Would you be celebrating his bravery?

we would say the same thing.

lol

Hubba hubba

seeing as how every woman on the planet gets that same treatment, she'd probably be honored.

But it isn't sexy in anyway, it's honest & vulnerable

Like here I am hate it or love it

LMAO!...

I know photographer and photoshop and blahblah


but Wowzers

"She even describes doing public appearances after winning the gold medal, where “underneath my suit I have a bra and panty hose and this and that and thinking to myself, They know nothing about me. . . . Little did they know I was totally empty inside.”)
*****************************************
. . . If I have something to say when there is a reason involved, I am perfectly willing to talk. Katherine Hepburn

retouching and airbrushing and whatever.

she looks good in those pix.

good for her!

Scars to go with it. Dick is probably still there (as are the xy chromosomes, but I digress). Hormones for the rest. I mean this is what dude wants to do with himself, but I don't see what's impressive about it.

at least for now.

and i think she looks better than i'd expected her to look considering i just saw her on TV as Bruce like a month ago. hell, just last week on KUWTK she was Bruce. so to see her as Caitlyn so 'soon' and looking as good as she does is a good thing. i'm happy for her.

I feel like there's a certain dangerous denial of reality in doing that. Not that I would really call him she without a dick, but ugh-- head hurts.

and hopefully some day you'll understand that you're wrong.

to address a woman who has a penis. but she suffers when he uses a masculine pronoun. she suffers due to the cumulative impact of all of the b/s she deals with from the world around her simply b/c she's trying to live her life. he's adding to her pain. referring to her as 'she' doesn't hurt him and it can help her even a tiny little bit. there's no good reason to use a masculine pronoun - except to be an asshole. if one wants to own one's assholishness then that's a different story. but it can't be cloaked w/'logic' or 'reason' b/c that's not what it's about.

by calling her a man.

the proper gendered pronoun.

again, if he's okay w/being an asshole then that's different. but the throwing of a stone and hiding his hand makes him look silly.

damn.. can't even use The Wire quote for this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObpcGNCU944

It's like that Star Trek where Picard is being asked how many lights there are. There are 4 but the Cardassian interrogating him wants him to say 5. Anyway, all geekiness aside-- there are 4 lights.

*shrug*

Or so they say.

so i dunno where you're going w/that one.

you might've been better w/"I'm rubber and you're glue...." or even "It takes one to know one."

flocking together does not necessarily entail friendship e.g. we flock together here on the boards do we not?

good luck.

It...clicked
Bruce was no longer looking so great as a male
Saw the special and still wasn't seeing it and wondered
She looks great and im glad
A bit sad at my reaction as well because if she didn't too much still rides on making the transition 'well'
And how women are supposed to look
Attaching it and the problem of women and images and surgery to the kardashian clan
Well I still worry about the takeaway from all this
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Hope she's happy with her new life.

But I want to know about that woman that Bruce killed a few months ago. Did he get off with no charges?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/entertainment/feat-bruce-jenner-car-accident-lawsuit/

didn't even think of that

i found a booklet created by and for trans ppl who are going to prison which says the state decides where to house transfolks w/o considering their status as trans. they assign all inmates a sex and it seems to be the sex listed on one's most current birth certificate.

http://www.bentbarsproject.org/sites/default/files/Trans_Survival_Guide_California.pdf

him getting locked up will turn this into something else entirely

for a trans inmate. so if Caitlyn is still transitioning and requires surgery she may still be able to get it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/03/california-prison-ordered-to-grant-inmates-sex-change/

LOL

she might wanna watch her drinks around Bill going forward.

Watch.

http://www.eonline.com/news/661780/kris-jenner-reacts-to-kim-kardashian-s-pregnancy-news-can-t-wait-to-meet-your-love-bug

>

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

kudos okp

and Annie Leibovitz is a master of the arts

http://s15.postimg.org/ai5aaeu5n/image.jpg

>

Oh shit!

I see OKBros are already showing in this post with their sandals and capris on.

c'mon dogs.

good for her tho. Our next generation should have all the tools to finally try for everybody to get over ourselves and consider the world around them.

humans will always push the boundaries.

if i see another 'yasss' 'slay' 'hunty' 'serving' in describing her, i will shoot myself

I thought it was just some other magazine cover that I didn't really need to know about.

Good for her though.

In other transgender related news:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11458110

Transgender refugee set to wed

A transgender Kiwi officially recognised as a woman has found love and will get married today.

Eliana Rubashkyn, who came to New Zealand as a refugee in May last year, was issued with a New Zealand certificate of identity stating her gender as "female" though she had not had sex-change surgery.

The 26-year-old, originally from Colombia, is booked to register her marriage in Auckland today to a man from Israel.

"My life is coming together, but I think getting married is the best thing ever," said Miss Rubashkyn.

Her 24-year-old partner, who wanted to be known only by his first name Itamar, said his family did not approve of their relationship.

They threatened to publicly shame him in Israel for "being gay" and wanted to commit him into a psychiatric hospital, he said.


"Itamar had to literally escape from his family and country with just the shirt on his back, just so we can be together," Miss Rubashkyn said.

She talked her mother into paying for Itamar's ticket to Auckland after his finances were frozen by his family.

Born Luis Alexander Rubashkyn, Miss Rubashkyn was referred for resettlement to New Zealand by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

She decided to migrate only after she was assured that her gender of preference could be issued in her travel documents without the need for sex-change surgery.

Miss Rubashkyn, who now has a New Zealand driver's licence and a job in flight operations support, said she met Itamar about eight months ago on a dating website.

"At first I did not share with him about my gender issues because I was afraid of how he will see me," she said.

"But when I finally did, I was overjoyed that he accepted me and continued to love me for who I am."

Itamar said he was "deep in love" with Miss Rubashkyn, and that it "did not matter" that she had not undergone sex-change surgery.

"In my eyes, she is a beautiful woman ... she is even more beautiful in person than on the computer screen," he said.

"I feel sad that I had to leave everything behind, including my family, but I have no regrets because now I am with my true love."

Itamar was detained by Immigration New Zealand officials at Auckland Airport because they did not think he was a bona fide visitor. He arrived in Auckland with no luggage, no credit card and very little money.

Itamar said he was questioned for two hours. He was released only after an immigration lawyer engaged by Miss Rubashkyn intervened.

He will apply for residency under the partnership category to remain in New Zealand after the wedding.

Immigration border manager Senta Jehle said Itamar arrived on May 19 and was eventually issued with a three-month visitor visa. "The call to Ms Rubashkyn was made as part of the verification process."

Ms Jehle said that to meet requirements, visitors must show a valid passport, a return ticket and sufficient funds to support their stay in New Zealand.

shits hilarious

Kris Jenner you are the queen of the harpies. They should cancel the whole damn show and give Brucila her own time slot (I'm not a fan of Caitlin btw)

this is HUGE and she is an inspiration

d

She's a traitor to her own ppl with that mess.

like, really?

true

I won't pretend to understand it all, though you have to be yourself. More power to her, takes a tremendous amount of bravely to do such a thing.

bruce said that he was living a lie for all his life but, almost refers to Catlyn as a totally different person...to the point that she's fictitious.

If he was Catlyn all along shouldn't we already know her?

Is it common for trans to refer to their true identity in this way?

he said he lived a lie as Bruce. we met Bruce.

i have heard some other trans ppl refer to their former selves that way and i dunno how common that is.

FACT! This is a sad story that shouldn't be hyped in the media. And at the core this is all temporary - fueled by chemicals, pills, and plastic surgery. Anyway, please hold all of the questions, false religious replies, hatful comments and negative language - no of it's necessary. Plus I won't be responding with any additional comments, so knock yourselves out and have fun if you want to just cap off because it's in you.

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."

daryl already did all the squirming for you

>daryl already did all the squirming for you

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."

If my best friend was a transgender person(not sure if that is correct terminology), after knowing them for most of my life as a male, I know for a fact that I would at times refer to them as "he" or "him", not to be hurtful, but because that is how I had known them my entire life. I still have trouble with calling long time female friends by their married name if I knew them by their maiden name for extended periods of time. Same for friends that change names for religious reasons - if you have been "Fred" since we were kids, and you have a revelation and change your name to "xxxxx" should you be offended that I still call you Fred sometimes, if I make it clear that it isn't because I disrespect your faith?

Many of us old enough to actually remember Bruce Jenner from the '76 Olympics (and subsequent Wheaties boxes) grew up with "Bruce"...40 years of knowing "Bruce". Caitlyn didn't come to be in the public ewe until very recently. "Bruce" underwent a transitional period to "Caitlyn", correct? If she is entitled to a transitional period, aren't the rest of us? (at least those that aren't intentionally being hurtful)

i definitely see what you're saying. i do that too.

>Many of us old enough to actually remember Bruce Jenner from
>the '76 Olympics (and subsequent Wheaties boxes) grew up with
>"Bruce"...

I didn't hear about this until a few months ago, shortly before the Diane Sawyer interview was announced.

And seeing the wheaties boxes.


Anyone that can recall that is old as fuck. Nothing wrong with being old as fuck, but it was just an observation lol.

>Anyone that can recall that is old as fuck. Nothing wrong with
>being old as fuck, but it was just an observation lol.


Well, here @ OKP I might be...lol

Especially in the initial period of transition. Mistakes are understandable. Now, if a person flat out refuses to respect their gender expression, that's another story.

I stil work on Yasin
And friend that have fifty eleven nicknames and/or switched to Muslim names in the dang 90s
Just keep trying
She's 65 I think she'll understand
And I doubt you'll ever meet her
Work on the names around you
Lol
I can't remember new coworkers names from yesterday
Shoot

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Most of the other examples you mentioned, the people still outwardly look the same.

I think the transition will be easier than say a married woman (I still forget that my married sister no longer shares the same last name as me)

Curious though. How often would you have to refer to Bruce / Caitlyn in real life anyway?

>Many of us old enough to actually remember Bruce Jenner from
>the '76 Olympics (and subsequent Wheaties boxes) grew up with
>"Bruce"...40 years of knowing "Bruce". Caitlyn didn't come to
>be in the public ewe until very recently. "Bruce" underwent a
>transitional period to "Caitlyn", correct? If she is entitled
>to a transitional period, aren't the rest of us? (at least
>those that aren't intentionally being hurtful)

Nothing stunning about this pic.



Since 1976

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https://instagram.com/p/3ZutKYzP77/

but this is not?
Nah.

would ppl still be yaaaasssssing all over the place?
and also ppl saying she looks better than kris jenner are just being mean
kris jenner is many things but ugly is not one of them

but there'd definitely be more shade offered too.

i expected the Kardashians (including Kanye) would not let her out there looking a mess. i believe Kim actually had that conversation w/Bruce before the latest phase of the transition. however much of this story is fabricated...i believe THAT part of it. LOL

You noticing that beauty standard must still be maintained

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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the news story is more worthy but science project...