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12795316, 6 Warrants Issued for Police in Freddie Gray case (swipe)
Posted by Cenario, Fri May-01-15 10:04 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/freddie-grays-death-ruled-homicide-states-attorney/story?id=30728026
12795317, I am honestly surprised
Posted by RobOne4, Fri May-01-15 10:05 AM
12795319, it's a big first step
Posted by BigJazz, Fri May-01-15 10:07 AM

***
I'm tryna be better off, not better than...
12795336, RE: it's a big first step that'sgot me taking my first outta the office
Posted by Creole, Fri May-01-15 10:18 AM
12795321, Marilyn Mosby served the SHIT out of those charges.
Posted by daryloneal, Fri May-01-15 10:08 AM
12795326, Yeah she bad. I'm surprised. Now they just have to go to court.
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri May-01-15 10:14 AM
12795333, RE: Marilyn Mosby served the SHIT out of those charges.
Posted by Creole, Fri May-01-15 10:18 AM
Seemingly, no ambiguity in the charges they're facing.
12795643, true. and i didnt even know that was possible
Posted by Riot, Fri May-01-15 03:15 PM
d@mn blk ppl can make even dry legal proceedings sound fly
12795322, Fox News is already spinning
Posted by fluicide, Fri May-01-15 10:09 AM
12795325, who cares fuck them
Posted by astralblak, Fri May-01-15 10:14 AM
Them and their viewers/audience is not of our concern
12795334, they have no shame
Posted by fluicide, Fri May-01-15 10:18 AM
12795338, good
Posted by astralblak, Fri May-01-15 10:20 AM
.
12795341, *sideface*
Posted by kinetic94761180, Fri May-01-15 10:24 AM
12795342, good first step
Posted by Crash Bandacoot, Fri May-01-15 10:24 AM
i feel good about this one.
12795345, good.
Posted by sweet ruffian, Fri May-01-15 10:28 AM
12795349, This is good, but it's not justice until they are convicted
Posted by J_Sun, Fri May-01-15 10:32 AM

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"Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place, then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace" © Common
12795402, RE: This is good, but it's not justice until they are convicted
Posted by The3rdOne, Fri May-01-15 11:19 AM
And we aint talking about no slap on the wrist, Oscar Grant, gettin out of jail in less than 10 years bullshit either..
12795476, yup
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri May-01-15 12:09 PM
12795354, RE: 6 Warrants Issued for Police in Freddie Gray case (swipe)
Posted by Tiggerific, Fri May-01-15 10:34 AM
I'm taking bets on a change of venue for the trial. Who wants in?
12795357, I wish I could celebrate
Posted by DaHeathenOne76, Fri May-01-15 10:35 AM
The bitterness and cynicism is so deep.

Still have to go to trial. . .
I am sure the defense is going to argue change of venue because of the uprising. . .
Is the jury pool going to be diverse enough. . .

Is the D.A. going to have to fear for her life now (bullshit blue wall of silence etc)

Dont mind me yall..I'm just rambling
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http://www.iamsharandajones.org/help
12795414, it's good to celebrate small victories...
Posted by Damali, Fri May-01-15 11:26 AM
...they keep us going for the big ones

:)

d
12795580, I don't know if normalcy should be celebrated :/
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri May-01-15 02:08 PM
But I guess things are so jacked up that things going as they should 1% of the time is cause for joy? That Malcolm X quote about a knife being pulled halfway as progress kind of thing.
12796122, I'm in Bmore doing jail support this weekend
Posted by afrogirl_lost, Sun May-03-15 05:58 AM
Our people are too celebratory, and they're talking about Mosby as if she's some kinda savior. It's. It seems like many people think we've won.

12796192, Mosby should ride this wave of popularity as long as she can
Posted by TruOne, Sun May-03-15 12:38 PM
>Our people are too celebratory, and they're talking about
>Mosby as if she's some kinda savior. It's. It seems like many
>people think we've won.
>
>

Because, this case is not going to end with a GRAND-SLAM VICTORY.

Either deals will be copped or them mofos gonna get an A.QUIT.ALL
12795363, I'm glad she bucked the status quo and did what was right.
Posted by Overqualified, Fri May-01-15 10:40 AM
She's not machined (yet, and hopefully never) so it doesn't seem like she's worried about stepping on toes. Lord knows what Jessamy or Berenstein would have done (what happened to that guy anyway?).
12795367, Black voting bounced his ass outta there
Posted by ambient1, Fri May-01-15 10:41 AM
12795374, His shit was like "GRAND OPENING/GRAND CLOSING"
Posted by Overqualified, Fri May-01-15 10:45 AM
12795365, if this were Bernstein there would be 0 charges..#SHEDIDTHAT
Posted by ambient1, Fri May-01-15 10:40 AM
we got this

the driver is definitely gonna do bout 5-10

then again

they gonna go for a change of where it is tried cause i doubt they try it here


LORD i hope they don't go for Cecil/Carroll/Harford/Frederick.....
man...hol up...

uh oh....

PG ....we might need u lol
12795410, Damn...LOL
Posted by RexLongfellow, Fri May-01-15 11:24 AM
>man...hol up...
>
>uh oh....
>
>PG ....we might need u lol
You KNOW shit is deep when you hear a cat from Baltimore say this...lol
12795469, yeah man...lol...MAYBE Baltimore County....but they are like the
Posted by ambient1, Fri May-01-15 12:04 PM
elephant in the room that needs to be addressed as well
they meaning the Baltimore County Police Dept

they are JUST as bad but they dont body niggas

but they racial profile more than the city

12795760, EXACTLY
Posted by Castro, Fri May-01-15 06:58 PM
12795371, What is hilarisad to me, is that no one ever argued he didn't die in police
Posted by bentagain, Fri May-01-15 10:44 AM
custody

that was never a question

they tried that misinformation bull$hit

happy to see the facts prevail

sad that some will still take the troll bait
12795372, pigs name and charges
Posted by Kim Jong Trill, Fri May-01-15 10:44 AM
https://twitter.com/trymainelee/status/594156829288099840/photo/1

Fuck your fort!
12795386, Second Degree Depraved Heart Murder
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri May-01-15 10:50 AM
OK Legal please advise on this charge

I mean wtf
12795389, basically means reckless homicide....
Posted by ambient1, Fri May-01-15 10:53 AM
12795396, ^^^^was worried he couldnt break up with his girl for a sec there.
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri May-01-15 11:07 AM
12795404, Just sounds so un-legal. I know Edgar Allen Poe lived in Bmore
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri May-01-15 11:21 AM
Didn't know he wrote the laws though
12795398, Is the fact that they got charged w/ diff things something to read into?
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Fri May-01-15 11:11 AM
How'd they pin the homicide on one cop but just assault on the other?

That means there has to be some evidence/suspicion about who did what, right?
12795467, i assume the driver was charged w/DHM.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri May-01-15 12:03 PM
yup...that's correct.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html?_r=0

Ms. Mosby did not allege that the van driver, Officer Caesar R. Goodson, Jr., intentionally gave Mr. Gray a “rough ride,” to slam him against the metal walls of the van. But Officer Goodson was charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter, assault and misconduct in office.
12795376, woulda been even MORE boss had she picked up and dropped the mic
Posted by FLUIDJ, Fri May-01-15 10:46 AM
12795419, what she has done is an entire mic drop
Posted by rdhull, Fri May-01-15 11:32 AM
>
12795390, Go on, girl!
Posted by SoWhat, Fri May-01-15 10:56 AM
I like it.
12795392, I'm sorry, but she is FINE.
Posted by soulfunk, Fri May-01-15 11:00 AM
12795397, Marilyn MosBae.
Posted by Kim Jong Trill, Fri May-01-15 11:07 AM

Fuck your fort!
12795393, sista didn't play b/w damn she fine
Posted by revolution75, Fri May-01-15 11:00 AM
12795412, the look she gave at the end, tho...wow. love her.
Posted by Damali, Fri May-01-15 11:25 AM
12795722, The way she walked off was the mic drop
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri May-01-15 05:41 PM
12795420, she my new #wcw.
Posted by PROMO, Fri May-01-15 11:32 AM
i hope she gets Gray and his family the justice they deserve.
12795425, ...so?
Posted by Mongo, Fri May-01-15 11:36 AM
We saw live video of Daniel Pantaleo choking Eric Garner to death.

The whole world saw that video.

And Pantaleo wasn't indicted.

Call me when America isn't acting like America anymore.

Until then, this is just a public relations exercise.
12795432, big difference here.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri May-01-15 11:45 AM
that officer wasn't indicted likely b/c the prosecutor(s) in that case didn't really seek one. remember, prosecutors basically control grand juries. the GJ indicts when the prosecutors wants an indictment generally b/c the prosecutor gets to present whatever evidence she wants. she doesn't have to present everything collected during the investigation. that means she can choose to present only inculpatory evidence before the GJ - which is usually what prosecutors do at the GJ.

based on her performance at that press conference (which included some drama, sure) i doubt THIS prosecutor is going to present exculpatory evidence at the GJ (like the STL County prosecutor in the Darren Wilson case). i expect she will actually seek an indictment.

but yes, this announcement doesn't mean the credits are rolling on the Freddie Gray case. this is not the end.
12795435, thank you...you coulda stopped here
Posted by ambient1, Fri May-01-15 11:47 AM
>> that officer wasn't indicted likely b/c the prosecutor(s) in that case didn't really seek one
12795480, I'm gonna get struck with lightning for this one but...
Posted by Mongo, Fri May-01-15 12:14 PM
...you're so much more optimistic than I am.

In New York we've seen time and again cops getting off even when taken to trial. It's not just the system, or people in power -- it's convincing a jury that cops can, in fact, commit murder. That's a reality that's very difficult to communicate with someone whose narrative places police first and foremost as heroic bulwarks against anarchy and criminality.

I am encouraged by Baltimore's DA, who seems sincere in her role.

But I'm not sanguine about her prospects if this goes to trial.
12795484, we're talking about the indictment here, not the trial.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri May-01-15 12:18 PM
>...you're so much more optimistic than I am.
>
>In New York we've seen time and again cops getting off even
>when taken to trial. It's not just the system, or people in
>power -- it's convincing a jury that cops can, in fact, commit
>murder. That's a reality that's very difficult to communicate
>with someone whose narrative places police first and foremost
>as heroic bulwarks against anarchy and criminality.

yes, i know.

but we're talking about the indictment. Pantaleo wasn't even indicted possibly b/c the prosecutor didn't seek an indictment. same thing w/Wilson. but i think these cops will be indicted.

if the case goes to jury trial it may be tough to get a guilty verdict.

maybe one or more of the cases will resolve w/a guilty plea b/c of the risk at trial. both sides have reason to fear trial - and both sides have reason to be confident about trial. that increases the odds of a resolution w/o trial. but i dunno.
12795498, Man, I hope you're right. I don't think...
Posted by Mongo, Fri May-01-15 12:32 PM
...the public can stand another acquittal for something like this.

Also, thanks for clarifying -- my WestLaw subscription ran out. :,(
12796000, What makes you believe the Prosecution should be confident?
Posted by TruOne, Sat May-02-15 06:46 PM

>if the case goes to jury trial it may be tough to get a guilty
>verdict.
>
>maybe one or more of the cases will resolve w/a guilty plea
>b/c of the risk at trial. both sides have reason to fear
>trial - and both sides have reason to be confident about
>trial. that increases the odds of a resolution w/o trial.
>but i dunno.
>


In regards to the False Imprisonment and Murder counts of the indictment?
12796142, a few things.
Posted by SoWhat, Sun May-03-15 08:21 AM
>In regards to the False Imprisonment and Murder counts of the
>indictment?

1. i didn't mention any charges specifically.

2. as for false imprisonment, w/o having done any research i'm hearing that Freddie wasn't carrying any contraband b/c the knife found on his person is not prohibited under relevant statutes.

3. under Wardlow Freddie's running from the police may have given them reasonable suspicion for a detention (i assume the defense will claim Freddie was stopped in a 'high crime area'). the prosecution will likely seek to prove that the officers didn't develop p/c for Freddie's arrest - at least not based on his carrying that knife. if Freddie was arrested w/o p/c that sounds like false imprisonment to me.

4. depraved heart murder requires the prosecution to prove that the officer caused Freddie's death (coroner ruled the death a homicide), that the officer's conduct created a risk of death (or GBH, even?) (Freddie was put in the van w/o seat belting - seat belts are in the van to AVOID detainees being seriously injured; officer made rough stops and/or sharp turns while driving the van; BPD has a practice of these 'rough rides' - prosecution may imply that officer was aware of the practice or prove it directly), and that the officer acted w/extreme disregard of that risk (RP in officer's position would have followed BPD procedure which requires seat belting; RP wouldn't have made those rough stops or sharp turns knowing Freddie was back there w/o seat belts).

...that's just me spit balling w/o research.

that prosecutor earned my benefit of doubt as related to the announced charges. but it only extends so far. as of now i'm willing to believe her when she says her team investigated the case thoroughly and she gave serious consideration before seeking these charges. if she were gonna pull a McCulloch move (STL County DA) i think that press conference would've gone differently. or she wouldn't have held a press conference at all and would've only issued a statement about the chargings.

but we shall see.
12796183, Academically you are spot on, but realistically
Posted by TruOne, Sun May-03-15 12:32 PM
You really think Baltimore jury is gonna convict a 18 yr veteran Black cop of MURDER for not putting FG in a seatbelt?

In regards to the "rough rides"; I'd love to see how the Prosecution proves BPD has a practice of doing it without exposing themselves for not prosecuting those cops who committed it.

In regards to the false imprisonment charge. You are right that under MD law, the blade wasn't long enough to be illegal. However, I think Baltimore has a city ordinance that says you aren't allowed to possess a spring-loaded knife.

THe fact that Defense can point to at least a city ordinance saying the knife was illegal is gonna put reasonable doubt in the juries mind that these cops just up and illegally detained him for shits and giggles, then you have to factor in the "running from police" aspect.

I'm not saying this was a proper arrest, because it would CLEARLY get kicked out in a motion to suppress. However, I'm not seeing how the jury returns a guilty verdict on the most severe counts.


. . . .maybe manslaughter by vehicle.
12796473, RE: Academically you are spot on, but realistically
Posted by SoWhat, Mon May-04-15 08:05 AM
>You really think Baltimore jury is gonna convict a 18 yr
>veteran Black cop of MURDER for not putting FG in a seatbelt?

Potentially. Yes.

>In regards to the "rough rides"; I'd love to see how the
>Prosecution proves BPD has a practice of doing it without
>exposing themselves for not prosecuting those cops who
>committed it.

The city has already settled several suits. A conviction here might not mean too much - I expect the city will settle the Gray family's wrongful death/police misconduct civil suit too.

>In regards to the false imprisonment charge. You are right
>that under MD law, the blade wasn't long enough to be illegal.
>However, I think Baltimore has a city ordinance that says you
>aren't allowed to possess a spring-loaded knife.

The SA said the arrest was illegal - no p/c. Which tells me he knife wasn't contraband.

>THe fact that Defense can point to at least a city ordinance
>saying the knife was illegal is gonna put reasonable doubt in
>the juries mind that these cops just up and illegally detained
>him for shits and giggles, then you have to factor in the
>"running from police" aspect.

Running from police gives r/s for detention but not p/c for arrest. And the ordinance doesn't apply here - his knife wasn't covered. That's the prosecution's position, at least.

>I'm not saying this was a proper arrest, because it would
>CLEARLY get kicked out in a motion to suppress. However, I'm
>not seeing how the jury returns a guilty verdict on the most
>severe counts.

Okay. *shrugs*
12795502, #DueProcessMatters
Posted by The3rdOne, Fri May-01-15 12:37 PM
12795444, great! so Michael Slager has been charged, these guys have been charged
Posted by SuiteLady, Fri May-01-15 11:54 AM
some progress is being made
12795547, Slager was a certfiable no brainer...and SC has done this before
Posted by ChampD1012, Fri May-01-15 01:17 PM
They charged a cop in Columbia, SC for shooting at a civilian while he was going from his license...a license the officer asked for...didn't get too much media attention because fortunately he didn't die...
12795457, Good, it's what can happen we WE are a part
Posted by Deacon Blues, Fri May-01-15 12:00 PM

Of the system. We need more of this
12795459, This is all that reasonable people have asked for
Posted by Selassie I God, Fri May-01-15 12:01 PM
in cases like of this type, having police face the same judicial system that the rest of us have to deal with. Why it takes protests and rioting in the streets for fairness to come about is...well...I guess it's the american way
12795494, Raggedy Rawlings gives a forced 1 minute press conference and walks off.
Posted by Beezo, Fri May-01-15 12:29 PM
No questions taken.
12795534, *waits for end result*
Posted by Binladen, Fri May-01-15 01:03 PM
12795536, THESE MUHFUCKAS. POLICE UNION RESPONDS (LINK)
Posted by PROMO, Fri May-01-15 01:06 PM
http://foxbaltimore.com/images/Letter%20to%20SA%20Mosby.pdf
12795545, ...wow.
Posted by Mongo, Fri May-01-15 01:17 PM
12795551, they said "watch out for you husband's political career." 0_o
Posted by PROMO, Fri May-01-15 01:19 PM
ballsy fucks.

if i'm her i tell them i won't be removing myself, THEN i tell them respectively to go fuck themselves.
12795684, I didnt really take it to mean that, to be honest
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri May-01-15 04:05 PM
The part I found most deceitful was the bit about them "leaving home not expecting someone with whom they interacted wouldnt go home that night."

They *murdered* this guy more than likely, and beyond that every day they lock people up who technically dont go home that night and may not go home for many, many nights.

But the other shit was just a bunch of shade, throwing darts at a conflict of interest board.
12795575, That letter is shameful.
Posted by Case_One, Fri May-01-15 01:49 PM

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.
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4
12795585, outting themselves
Posted by rdhull, Fri May-01-15 02:22 PM
12795591, lol@sincerely saddened by Mr. Gray's passing.
Posted by wluv, Fri May-01-15 02:28 PM
These mf's are so phony.
12795603, "Each of the officers diligently balanced their obligations to
Posted by ambient1, Fri May-01-15 02:37 PM
protect Mr. Gray"



Marilyn: Your honor....i submit the tape we all watched....the admission of the BPD that several medical request were asked for and not provided....the common sense that we possess as human beings and this bullshit that these mofo's had the AUDACITY
(**does the Snoop hoppin off the couch move when Jody came to get his son**)
to type up


Guilty





12795649, if yall scared, say u scared
Posted by Riot, Fri May-01-15 03:21 PM
funny when ferguson & SI prosecutors were obviously too embedded to be impartial ,but they denied any special prosecutor was needed
12795673, ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Posted by Mr. ManC, Fri May-01-15 03:52 PM
12795804, Oh now ya'll want a special presecutor?
Posted by Cenario, Fri May-01-15 09:18 PM
12795924, ^^^ Oh now ya'll want a special presecutor?
Posted by bentagain, Sat May-02-15 01:47 PM
my favorite part of that letter

pointing to her personal conflict

when all DAs have a conflict prosecuting the PDs they work with

FOH!

all I want

ALL I WANT

from these PDs is to say it was wrong.
12797737, but Bob McCulloch punk ass was just fine in Ferguson...
Posted by Dstl1, Tue May-05-15 12:45 PM
that trick was as tainted as you could get.
12795565, rioting works
Posted by LAbeathustla, Fri May-01-15 01:38 PM
Fk outta here
12795571, Good. There just needs to be REAL JUSTICE at the end of the day.
Posted by Case_One, Fri May-01-15 01:46 PM

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.
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4
12795663, Let's not get carried away now.
Posted by Kira, Fri May-01-15 03:40 PM
There's plenty of time for someone to screw this up. Let's HOPE justice is served.
12795819, Well that's why I said at the end of the day.
Posted by Case_One, Fri May-01-15 10:14 PM



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.
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4
12795644, *standing ovation*
Posted by poetx, Fri May-01-15 03:16 PM
wow.

she did that.


peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad
12795707, Wait, they illegally arrested Freddy!? (link)
Posted by Kira, Fri May-01-15 05:09 PM
Watch the full video.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-freddie-gray-mosby-presser-0502-20150501-story.html#page=1

These motherfuckers ignored all types of orders.
12795723, Yes he should have never been in the van in first place
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri May-01-15 05:42 PM
12795761, and it wasn't the first time. That is why he ran.
Posted by Castro, Fri May-01-15 06:59 PM
12795724, RE: 6 Warrants Issued for Police in Freddie Gray case (swipe)
Posted by neuro_OSX, Fri May-01-15 05:44 PM
How many police fools are calling her phone threatening her?? I cant even imagine the shit she is going to have to deal with
12795775, Yeah I'm actually worried for her.
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri May-01-15 07:46 PM
12795758, So much to say...so much going on right now. Continue to pray for us.
Posted by Castro, Fri May-01-15 06:58 PM
The city is so happy right now, and the cops don't know what to do because everyone is operating in a different space.

I was at Penn and North this afternoon and Nick Mosby (councilman and our State Attn's husband) walked through the block, and every single person over the age of 25 stopped what they were doing and shook his hand.

Lots and lots of work to do, but what a powerful step in the right direction.
12795763, I can't be the only one shocked 1 charged is a black woman right?
Posted by lightworks, Fri May-01-15 07:04 PM
12795766, Not shocked at all.
Posted by Castro, Fri May-01-15 07:08 PM
12795769, i would be shocked if they were all yt-
Posted by kinetic94761180, Fri May-01-15 07:34 PM
....and charged.
12795774, "black police showing out for the white cop" © NWA
Posted by neuro_OSX, Fri May-01-15 07:43 PM
..
12795781, I was sure there would be more than one
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Fri May-01-15 08:12 PM
I'm surprised there is only one.

___________________________________________________________


DJTB YOMM
12795783, Two Black men and one Black woman.
Posted by Castro, Fri May-01-15 08:18 PM
https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11062394_10206801715429807_3257018508536170899_n.jpg?oh=ea3436ac6101795485fc33c8368abda2&oe=559AA97A
12795803, All look blue to me.
Posted by Cenario, Fri May-01-15 09:17 PM
12795807, RE: All look blue to me.
Posted by neuro_OSX, Fri May-01-15 09:34 PM
exactly, just a legalized version of the Crips
12795811, It neutralizes a lot of the bullshit discussion about the charges
Posted by Castro, Fri May-01-15 09:51 PM
if this was six white officers, we know Fox/FOP and the Governor of Maryland would be in overdrive....
12795925, Only 3 will get convicted (c) comment on my timeline
Posted by bentagain, Sat May-02-15 01:51 PM
12795832, Not shocked at all
Posted by Binladen, Fri May-01-15 11:03 PM
12795916, Not Shocked. This is about Badges vs. Citizens,
Posted by Case_One, Sat May-02-15 12:12 PM

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4
12795989, Why would that be shocking at all?
Posted by Selassie I God, Sat May-02-15 05:56 PM
Police are loyal to two colors;

Blue (fellow officers)
&
Green (that loot/their jobs)
12796118, I'd be shocked if she doesn't get a pussy-pass.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Sun May-03-15 04:28 AM
12796124, A Black woman cop pulled her baton out on me at a protest
Posted by afrogirl_lost, Sun May-03-15 06:11 AM
and I was visibly pregnant. Fuck a cops.
12795846, Can someone help me out with the general story here?
Posted by denny, Sat May-02-15 12:00 AM
From what I can gather.....Freddie Gay was your everyday average street dude. Small beans drug dealer who took off running when he saw a police car spot him. The police chased him (cause he ran) and then tackled him to the ground.....seriously injuring his back in the process. He screamed but they ignored the possibility of a serious injury. Instead of calling paramedics....they arrested him for no legitimate reason and threw him in a police van. He then died in police custody....either from the injury already sustained or by further injury that we don't know about.

Is that the jist?
12795849, RE: Can someone help me out with the general story here?
Posted by Castro, Sat May-02-15 12:30 AM
>From what I can gather.....Freddie Gay was your everyday
>average street dude. Small beans drug dealer who took off
>running when he saw police- who had arrested him in March by planting dope on him. The police chased
>him (cause he ran) and then tackled him to the
>ground.....seriously injuring his back in the process (possibly). He
>screamed but they ignored the possibility of a serious injury. (yes)
> Instead of calling paramedics....they arrested him for no
>legitimate reason and threw him in a police van (yes). He then died
>in police custody....either from the injury already sustained
>or by further injury that we don't know about. (Yes)
>
>Is that the jist?
12795854, The possibly part.....
Posted by denny, Sat May-02-15 02:02 AM
The way he's screaming on the footage.....it's lock solid that he had experienced a back injury before being taken into the van. How he suffered the initial jury is gonna be crucial. For example, if he had tried to jump something while running away and fell. The second degree murder charge suggests that the evidence shows one policeman to be the cause of the initial injury. I bet that the manslaughter charges have to do with individuals NOT CALLING THE PARAMEDICS or even recognizing what was clearly a serious injury. They're supposed to be public servants.

I hope that young people don't invest too much in Freddie Gray the person. The fact is....he's a random dude. And random dudes should not become the heroes. If during the court proceedings it comes out that Freddie Gray sells crack to pregnant moms....that shouldn't matter.



12795875, They tied his limbs and threw him in the back of the van
Posted by Cenario, Sat May-02-15 07:38 AM
Then gave him a 'rough ride'. He was flopping around the back of the van. They stopped multiple times and didn't render any aid. Even after they stopped at the police station and he wasn't breathing, they didn't rush to render any aid.
12795927, I think the most serious charge being against the driver says alot
Posted by bentagain, Sat May-02-15 01:54 PM
the back of the van is basically a metal box

and of course, suspects have reported being tossed around in the van during these 'rough rides'

they cuff him

stop the van

and shackle his legs

put him back in the box face down

I'm guessing the 'rough ride' involved purposely braking hard so his head slams against the front of the box

rinse, wash, repeat...3 injuries to the spine
12795929, yup.
Posted by Cenario, Sat May-02-15 02:23 PM
12795915, Well look who's back outside.. Shelia Dixon
Posted by Beezo, Sat May-02-15 12:09 PM
.
12795998, I hope this case doesn't go to trial on these charges
Posted by TruOne, Sat May-02-15 06:37 PM
Based on what evidence the public has available RIGHT NOW:

Ain't no jury gonna convict the Black cop of 2nd degree murder.

Involuntary Manslaughter?

MAYBE

But MURRRRDDDDAAAAA???

Nah, home-skillet.

"B-B--BUT THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE MALICE OR INTENT FOR A CONVICTION!"

The jury didn't need to find malice or intent with George Zimmerman and look how that worked out?

A - The other cops are gonna cop pleas for CONSIDERABLY less jail time. (5 years or less)

B - The black cop is gonna be surrounded by every black pastor he can possibly find to give press conferences about how he never meant to do any harm.


C - Freddie is dead b/c the police failed to follow BPD procedure and buckle him up safely in the Van. That's a FAAAAAAAAR cry from the cop in SC that SHOT AND KILLED an unarmed man for no reason.


If the Prosecutor is smart, she'll start pleading these mofo's out EAAAARRRRRLLLY.
12796008, People arent gonna like the outcome
Posted by Binladen, Sat May-02-15 07:30 PM
12796009, I think Mosby is trying to cover her ass like Ferguson's DA
Posted by TruOne, Sat May-02-15 07:35 PM
1 - Indict the cops so she looks like a hero.

2 - Take the case to trial (knowing the case is a loser), and when the jury comes back NOT GUILTY, she can still look like a hero.

3 - Blame everything on the jury, but still go down as the hero that tried to "fight the system of corruption"
12796133, Glad someone elsd sees its. People all yahooing and shit
Posted by Binladen, Sun May-03-15 07:41 AM
Just setting themselves up to be outraged once again.
12796135, i don't think so at all.
Posted by SoWhat, Sun May-03-15 08:04 AM
i do think several of these officers are likely to plead guilty after having accepted an offer from the state's attorney. but i don't think this SA is afraid to try these cases on these charges. and i don't think a Baltimore City jury would necessarily treat these cases like the Seminole County jury treated the Zimmerman case.

these are risky cases for both sides - which makes me think they're likely to resolve w/o trial. the prosecution may not want to risk these officers walking away not guilty (b/c criminal juries rarely convict police defendants and there may be proof issues related to the various mens rea) and the defense won't want to risk guilty findings (jurors will be pulled from Baltimore city - many of the same ppl who voted for Mosby and likely applaud her action here and/or have heard enough about BPD shenanigans that they want action are likely to be in the jury pool) and sentencing ("the whole world is watching" so i doubt any sentencing judge would go easy on these officers if they're convicted at trial).
12796190, All of that assumes the evidence is sufficient for a conviction
Posted by TruOne, Sun May-03-15 12:36 PM

>these are risky cases for both sides - which makes me think
>they're likely to resolve w/o trial. the prosecution may not
>want to risk these officers walking away not guilty (b/c
>criminal juries rarely convict police defendants and there may
>be proof issues related to the various mens rea) and the
>defense won't want to risk guilty findings (jurors will be
>pulled from Baltimore city - many of the same ppl who voted
>for Mosby and likely applaud her action here and/or have heard
>enough about BPD shenanigans that they want action are likely
>to be in the jury pool) and sentencing ("the whole world is
>watching" so i doubt any sentencing judge would go easy on
>these officers if they're convicted at trial).
>


You'd have a hard enough time if the cops beat FG with a baton and threw him inside of the Police Van. At least then you'd have a consistent narrative of racist, brutal cops using unreasonable force.

Here? You don't have unreasonable force. At most you have fucked up negligence for not following Department protocol and putting FG in a seatbelt.

You still have to show that the cops knew or should've known that FG was gonna snap his spinal cord in that van. ESPECIALLY when you have the 2nd prisoner who rode in the SAME van and never suffered any injuries.
12796482, The evidence is sufficient for a conviction.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon May-04-15 08:14 AM
Of course, that doesn't mean the prosecution has a slam dunk case. But a reasonable jury could convict on the facts we know now. But as I have acknowledged repeatedly, juries are often reticent to convict police defendants - even where the facts point to guilt.

>You'd have a hard enough time if the cops beat FG with a baton
>and threw him inside of the Police Van. At least then you'd
>have a consistent narrative of racist, brutal cops using
>unreasonable force.

1. 3 of the cops are Black.

2. The prosecution doesn't need to prove racist intent and would be foolish to try it.

3. I understand the burden the prosecution faces - it's not easy. But the Baltimore city jury pool may be so turnt up based on other cases that the defense may not want to risk a trial any more than the prosecution wants to. So I would not be surprised if there's a plea deal reached with some of all of the defendants.

>Here? You don't have unreasonable force. At most you have
>fucked up negligence for not following Department protocol and
>putting FG in a seatbelt.

The prosecution doesn't have to prove excessive force or unreasonable force. Just negligence and/or recklessness that resulted in great bodily harm or death.

>You still have to show that the cops knew or should've known
>that FG was gonna snap his spinal cord in that van. ESPECIALLY
>when you have the 2nd prisoner who rode in the SAME van and
>never suffered any injuries.

Naw. Creating circumstance that the officer knew or shouldve known COULD result in GBH or death is enough, I believe.
12796545, is there an argument for change of venue?
Posted by daryloneal, Mon May-04-15 09:16 AM
12796612, yeah but it's very weak, IMO.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon May-04-15 09:59 AM
the story went national - any Maryland jury pool outside Baltimore city is about equally likely to be 'tainted' as a Baltimore city jury pool.
12796652, fair point
Posted by daryloneal, Mon May-04-15 10:34 AM
12796123, Also, some kids who took part in looting and burning
Posted by afrogirl_lost, Sun May-03-15 06:08 AM
have higher bails than the pigs who killed Freddie.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/04/balt_teen_encouraged_to_turn_self_in_by_parents_held_on_500_000_bail_faces.html

12796138, this paragraph makes no sense to me:
Posted by SoWhat, Sun May-03-15 08:08 AM
The eight misdemeanor charges Bullock face are his first as an adult, with rioting carrying a maximum of life in prison. The Guardian, however, says that his parents believe that four to eight years is a more likely sentence. Bullock, who was convicted of minor offenses as a juvenile, was working in city sanitation under a program for people in juvenile probation, The Guardian notes, earning more than $15,000 a year.

...how can a person face a max sentence of life on any MISDEMEANOR? or even 4 to 8 yrs? on MISDEMEANOR charges?

maybe i misunderstand Maryland. or whoever wrote this left out the fact that homie is charged w/some felonies. or i'm misreading this paragraph.
12796141, RE: this paragraph makes no sense to me:
Posted by maryhattalillamb, Sun May-03-15 08:14 AM
>...how can a person face a max sentence of life on any
>MISDEMEANOR? or even 4 to 8 yrs? on MISDEMEANOR charges?
>
>maybe i misunderstand Maryland. or whoever wrote this left
>out the fact that homie is charged w/some felonies. or i'm
>misreading this paragraph.

My husband is a lawyer so I asked him...
http://www.msccsp.org/files/guidelines/offensetable.pdf

127-2 Disturbing the Peace, Disorderly Conduct, and Related Crimes
Affray
3-5399 Common Law
Felony or Misd: Misd.
Max term: LIFE
Person VI


128 Disturbing the Peace, Disorderly Conduct, and Related Crimes
Rioting
3-1314 Common law
Felony or Misd: Misd.
Max term: LIFE
Person IV
12796143, i think he's wrong. (or maybe not)
Posted by SoWhat, Sun May-03-15 08:27 AM
>My husband is a lawyer so I asked him...
>http://www.msccsp.org/files/guidelines/offensetable.pdf
>
>127-2 Disturbing the Peace, Disorderly Conduct, and Related
>Crimes
>Affray
>3-5399 Common Law
>Felony or Misd: Misd.
>Max term: LIFE
>Person VI

http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/criminal-law/title-10/subtitle-2/10-201

2010 Maryland Code
CRIMINAL LAW
TITLE 10 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, CONDUCT, AND SENSIBILITIES
Subtitle 2 - Disturbing the Peace, Disorderly Conduct, and Related Crimes
Section 10-201 - Disturbing the public peace and disorderly conduct.


(d) Penalty.- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 60 days or a fine not exceeding $500 or both.

...but now i see it.

the kid at issue is charged w/common law affray - which is a real ole-timey offense that dates back to Olde England and shit. it's not in the criminal code and thus isn't subject to the sentencing maximums for misdemeanors (in most states misdemeanors are punishable by no more than ONE YEAR imprisonment but in Maryland the max is TEN YEARS w/certain misdemeanors). common law offenses have no sentencing maximum - the sentence imposed must not be cruel or unusual, but that's it, i think. which leaves room for a life sentence, i guess. and under a relatively recent Maryland appellate decision it's still good law, i think (http://mdcourts.gov/opinions/cosa/2010/882s09.pdf).

so...damn! but now i get it.
12796146, RE: i think he's wrong.
Posted by maryhattalillamb, Sun May-03-15 08:45 AM
OK, I will let him know
I only sent you the link he showed me.
12796147, it's a Maryland thing.
Posted by SoWhat, Sun May-03-15 08:48 AM
apparently in Maryland statutory misdemeanors can carry max sentences as high as TEN YEARS. in most states the max is only ONE year - including here in Illinois.

plus there are common law misdemeanors which carry NO maximum sentence and can be punishable by LIFE sentences.

that's absurd. LOL
12796211, I'm more offended by the bail amount than the POSSIBLE sentence
Posted by TruOne, Sun May-03-15 01:22 PM
$500k???????

I know CHILD MOLESTERS who don't get that high of a bond.
12796613, the judge didn't want the defendant out on the street.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon May-04-15 10:04 AM
if i were representing him i'd ask for the bond review this week now that tensions have calmed. the accused officers are in the process of being charged. the curfew has even been lifted. i wouldn't be surprised if the bond is lowered at a subsequent bond review hearing.
12796639, Um, am I missing something or was no one updated?
Posted by rtoriq, Mon May-04-15 10:23 AM
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/05/_6_baltimore_cops_released_on_bail_set_lower_than_500_000_for_jailed_protester.html
12796643, that's why God created bond review.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon May-04-15 10:25 AM
12797662, some former ASA is mad! LOL
Posted by SoWhat, Tue May-05-15 11:53 AM
>Alan Dershowitz, the noted defense attorney, sharply
>criticized her for using her charging power as "crowd
>control."

...he's a DEFENSE atty. he's used to attacking charges filed by prosecutors.

John Banzahf, a George Washington University law
>professor, predicted the eventual dismissal of most if not all
>the charges.

maybe so. i haven't seen the evidence. but if viewed in a light most favorable to the prosecution i'm not sure the prosecution's case would be directed out. as for a motion to dismiss i dunno.

>Any prosecutor interested in the truth and in justice would
>have used all the tools at her disposal to find them.

...unless they had reason to suspect those tools might be biased in favor of the defendant.

Ms.
>Mosby ignored them.

see above.

She has one of the most experienced
>homicide prosecutors in the state of Maryland as chief of her
>homicide unit, but did not ask him to investigate.

see above.

She had the
>police report all of one day before filing charges, her mind
>already made up.

she had been investigating for days before she received the police report(s).

And she failed to make use of the grand jury
>to gather, probe and test the evidence before a group of
>average citizens.

that's her choice.

but see: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/nyregion/grand-juries-seldom-charge-police-officers-in-fatal-actions.html

>The Fraternal Office of Police called Ms. Mosby's charges an
>"egregious rush to judgment."

keywords: Fraternal Office of Police

they defend cops who are criminally charged.

It smacks more of a calculated
>push to the spotlight, filing charges after a mere two weeks.

see above.

>She conducted her own "parallel" investigation using her
>police integrity unit (the only unit listed on her published
>staffing tree missing the name of a supervisor.)

again, reason to fear taint.

She had no
>time to evaluate the crucial autopsy report, or consult with
>experts about its implications.

it's likely ongoing.

in state prosecutions it's not uncommon for the prosecution's investigation to continue AFTER charges are filed.

In her haste to step into the
>national limelight, she circumvented normal charging
>procedures by grabbing a member of the sheriff's office to
>swear to their truth and file them for her. She calculated her
>actions for surprise and maximum effect, and she got it.

brava!

>Published ethical standards prohibit the use of a prosecutor's
>powers for political (crowd control) or personal (career
>ambition) purposes.

yup.

They demand that prosecutors be fair and
>objective and protect the innocence.

sure do.

Instead Ms. Mosby,
>without all of the evidence yet available to her, pandered to
>the public by promising "justice" for Freddie Gray.

prosecutors routinely promise 'justice' for decedents in homicide cases. LOL

>In the long run, Ms. Mosby may be undermining the cause of
>justice rather than promoting it.

maybe. i dunno.

She has created an
>expectation of guilt and conviction.

she. is. a. prosecutor. that's what they do. LOL

If that does not happen,
>many will blame the system as unfair or unjust, when it may
>have been Ms. Mosby's own lack of competence and/or arrogance
>in bringing charges so quickly.

that could happen.

>And she has created a new expectation in the city: that police
>officers who arrest without what she considers to be probable
>cause (a subjective standard) are subject not just to civil
>action (the current norm) but criminal action.

OH NOEZ! she's actually going to hold cops ACCOUNTABLE for misconduct!!!! the sky is a-fallin! LOL

Mere mistakes,
>or judgments exercised under duress, can land them in the
>pokey.

reckless or negligent conduct while on duty that results in great bodily harm or death to a civilian can land them in the pokey.

>If I were a Baltimore police officer, I'd be looking for
>another job immediately.

this author doesn't seem to be cut out for the job so that'd probably be for the best. LOL

And as a Baltimore citizen, I may
>start looking for someplace else to live.

bye, Felicia!

When the police
>cannot depend upon the state's attorney to be as thorough,
>competent, non-political and fair with them as she is supposed
>to be with all citizens, none of us will be safe.

LOL

>Page Croyder spent 21 years in the Baltimore state's attorneys
>office, most recently as a deputy state's attorney.

she mad! LOL