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Topic subjectSometimes when I take a pic on night mode there's a click after.
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12794373, Sometimes when I take a pic on night mode there's a click after.
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 07:33 AM
What is that noise?

The shutter resetting itself? Why would it do that for that setting but not others?

I have a t3i.
12794382, thats the sound of the shutter closing. does the flash fire?
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 08:01 AM
apparently, night mode is just a setting that uses longer exposure time.

are the photos coming out blurry or are you keeping the camera still?

...

regardless of all of this, you should probably not be using 'night mode.'
12794406, Oh that makes sense.
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 08:35 AM
I was testing out all of the modes last night.

I know as a begginer I'm supposed to work hard to only shoot manual.

12794423, fuck manual mode.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 08:47 AM
ultimately you should use whichever mode that works best for you - between shutter and aperture priority. you want to get to a place where you know what the photo will look like before you press the shutter.

if neither of those get the photo you want, then do manual.

night mode seems specifically suspect. unless you have a tripod, I guess.
12794441, ^^^Lies!
Posted by BigReg, Thu Apr-30-15 09:07 AM
It's like, you kind of have to learn what those things mean so you can eventually play with them. If you just always go to automatic and take 'good' pics each and every time, you won't learn to take 'great' pics that require a bit more imagination

12794458, ^^^ only takes photos of skies, mountains and buildings.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 09:15 AM
12795312, shooting manual helps you learn how the meter lies to you
Posted by exactopposite, Fri May-01-15 10:00 AM
i various situation. THen if you want to use Av or Tv you knowwhen you need to compensate for a backlit subject for instance.

If you are in a scenario where the light is constantly changing manual can be a great way to miss shots. The flip side is that shooting manual teaches you how to overcome the limitations of the other modes
12795483, i'll accept this.
Posted by Deadzombie, Fri May-01-15 12:17 PM
12794437, Don't ever shoot in anything but manual.
Posted by BigReg, Thu Apr-30-15 09:04 AM
E-V-A-H
12794450, My only concern is I don't want to miss a good pic because
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 09:12 AM
I took it in manual.

Maybe I'll use manual if I'm out and about but if I'm at an event where I want good pics (like the embassy tour I'm going to this weekend) I'll use automatic.
12794459, here is the thing, once you are in manual you're set for the environment
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 09:16 AM
if you are shooting indoors, you are shooting indoors and from there you arent adjusting much

however if you are in a setting where you are quickly switching light sources, intensity, etc then you would have to use another method

that said, shoot in manual, learn it, once you learn it then you can start using other methods like aperture priority or shutter priority

i never touch any of the other modes on the camera really. im like....90% manual
12794516, i think she's a street photographer. she's not doing studio portraits.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 09:58 AM
street lighting changes at the drop of a dime.

cloud passing,

shadow of a building.

car headlight.

stay in that manual mode if you want to.
12794453, I'm so so with manual. I cant do equivalents on the fly
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 09:13 AM
manual is my go to

but i find that I can ball park a shot, get to where I need to be with my head and skill but then I will adjust after previews....Im spoiled from digital.
now, if i were shooting film I would probably learn to be a lot more tighter about how i shoot
12794461, a new user will get lost in manual, real fast.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 09:16 AM
they'll wonder why all their photos are nothing but white.

or why the shutter takes so long to close.

or why the exposure is way too low.

the best way to understand what's going on is to read what the camera is doing.
12794484, You need to read the manual to shoot manual, my nigga.
Posted by BigReg, Thu Apr-30-15 09:31 AM
i know, it made a little sense, just wanted to type that out.

That said, its not hard to figure out those 3 steps. The hardest part is getting used to finding the settings to change aperture, shutter speed on the camera on the fly, and getting used to adjusting for the light conditions. A ten minute read/youtube would give her enough to start and a week or two of trial and error would have her taught.

It's digital; its not like she's gonna have rolls of useless film. Learn to read the light meter on the camera, take a shot, see if its truly over/underexposed, and adjust.

Once she learns how the camera works, and therefor light works, her pictures can pop. I have no problem with shooting in automatic mode...but if thats the case why not just stick with an iphone. Only reason to own a dsl is for easy access to those settings.



>they'll wonder why all their photos are nothing but white.
>
>or why the shutter takes so long to close.
>
>or why the exposure is way too low.
>
>the best way to understand what's going on is to read what the
>camera is doing.
12794489, i'd argue that manuals are terrible ways to learn how to take photos.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 09:37 AM
text books maybe easier.

im not familiar with the t3i, but im sure it's not a full frame work horse.

in those cheaper cameras, all of the ways to change settings are buried in the menus. there is not quick adjustment option for her. there's not even a secondary screen at the top.

she shouldn't be staring and clicking at a menu between shots.

she should be adjusting one setting (i'd suggest aperture, or expsure), and seeing how it affects the photo. change it, do it again.

i predict she will give up on photos if she starts at manual.

she's coming from an iphone, so she's expecting to take good pictures kinda soon.

let's not even bring up the idea that she's shooting with a kit lens and aint no photo gonna be good with that. unless it's sunny and she has a tripod, bla bla bla.
12794500, actually its recommended that you use the manual like a bible.
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 09:44 AM
seriously.

read it cover to cover and then do it again

keep the manual near by and read it during down time


i have mine on my desk right now
12794508, I disagree, wholeheartedly
Posted by daryloneal, Thu Apr-30-15 09:51 AM
Best practice in this case depends on your learning style.
12794512, manuals use very strange language.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 09:57 AM
if you don't know what any of that shit means, you'll surely give up soon.

ALSO,

cheaper camera operate a bit different from their bigger brothers and if you're good, you'll quickly grow out of it.

you should understand the idea of how the camera is working vs. knowing that specific camera model's buttons and dials.

that information should be transferable.

you should be asking:

'how do i adjust the flash compensation exposure on this camera'

versus:

'what does this button do?'
12794525, she has a canon, canon manuals are pretty straight forward
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 10:09 AM
12794663, I was joking about the manual
Posted by BigReg, Thu Apr-30-15 11:58 AM
T3i has all the main settings as knobs/buttons etc, you can treat it as a full frame. iso, shutter speed, aperture you can change without looking out of the viewfinder in one flick of a button/knob and you're where you need to be. Its not a point and shoot. She can use the light meter to guide her intially since all you gotta do is make sure the bar is right in the center(like a bizarro iphone game)





>text books maybe easier.
>
>im not familiar with the t3i, but im sure it's not a full
>frame work horse.
>
>in those cheaper cameras, all of the ways to change settings
>are buried in the menus. there is not quick adjustment option
>for her. there's not even a secondary screen at the top.
>
>she shouldn't be staring and clicking at a menu between
>shots.
>
>she should be adjusting one setting (i'd suggest aperture, or
>expsure), and seeing how it affects the photo. change it, do
>it again.
>
>i predict she will give up on photos if she starts at manual.
>
>she's coming from an iphone, so she's expecting to take good
>pictures kinda soon.
>
>let's not even bring up the idea that she's shooting with a
>kit lens and aint no photo gonna be good with that. unless
>it's sunny and she has a tripod, bla bla bla.
12794557, nah, not really.
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Thu Apr-30-15 10:25 AM
if your are putting in work with the camera and using the manual as a quick reference, you'll be fine.

Just takes time. Gotta put in the time.
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12794462, ^^^^^^^^^ gotta be fast that click wheel for the exposure though^^^^^^^
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Thu Apr-30-15 09:17 AM

______________________________________________________________________________

cscpov.blogspot.com

"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"
12794496, Nah, not just starting out.
Posted by daryloneal, Thu Apr-30-15 09:43 AM
It's fine to start with Apeture or Shutter priority mode to limit the focus to one component, and then pay attention to what the camera does in response.

Not everyone dives right in, a step-by-step progression is fine.
12794679, here is a helpful picture guide to aperture, shutter speed, ISO
Posted by RobOne4, Thu Apr-30-15 12:16 PM
save it onto your phone and use it until you memorize it.

http://i.imgur.com/CPCCJ6T.png

a few other cheat sheets that might help you
http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/cheetsheets-for-photographers/
12794690, Hella dope thank you!!
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 12:30 PM
12794530, Great discussion coming from a dumb question yay lol.
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 10:11 AM
I feel weird now since I asked such an obvious question lol

Anyway heres a pic of pic I took this morning. Not horrible considering I'm so new at this:

http://i58.tinypic.com/16bc84h.jpg
12794533, you're a nutjob.
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 10:13 AM
review your pictures after you've transferred them off of the SD card and on a real screen, like normal people.
12794536, You are so extra lol
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 10:15 AM
I mean I get that but my computer is at home at the moment and my camera is with me.
12794547, maybe, but you didn't feel goofy taking a photo of a photo, on a screen
Posted by Deadzombie, Thu Apr-30-15 10:19 AM
that's not even meant for serious review?

we can't shit on that photo until you post it properly.

...

the reality is that the little screen on the back is not accurate.

like. kinda. at all.
12794589, http://www.eyefi.com/
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 10:44 AM
http://www.eyefi.com/
12794597, Heard about that but heard it was slow regarding uploads
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 10:48 AM
That's what they said at the camera shop though
12794672, Your camera shop is F.O.S.
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Apr-30-15 12:07 PM
Slow compared to direct USB transfer? Well yes...duh...
Slow compared to taking 200+ pics while on vacation while your laptop is back at the hotel room and you have to wait until the end of the day to back them up? ..NO...not slow at all.




"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."
12795355, explain this to me like I'm lightworks
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri May-01-15 10:34 AM
does this SDcard have it's own wifi? How does this uplaod automatically? Shit seems like it would take forever to upload pics while on vacation.

12794670, Get this:
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Apr-30-15 12:04 PM
http://www.eyefi.com/

and stop doing that.

"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."
12794668, It's illegal to photograph in the DC Metro Stations.
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Apr-30-15 12:03 PM
also...
PLEASE...FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SACRED IN THIS GRAND UNIVERSE...
STOP LINKING VIA SLOWTOLOADASS TINY PIC!!!!!!


"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."
12794691, Nah
Posted by MEAT, Thu Apr-30-15 12:32 PM
Still photography that does not require a tripod, special lighting, film
crews, models, impair the normal ingress/egress or operation of
WMATA services and can be accomplished by a hand-held camera by
one person is not regulated. Requests for photographic access that
involve a camera crew of three (3) or less, two (2) pieces of lighting
equipment or less, does not involve the use of a tripod, does not require
assistance of WMATA technical personnel or significantly impair the
normal ingress/egress or operations will be allowed. Requests for a
permit must be made two (2) working days prior to the requested date of
photography. Photography and filming that requires the use of models,
special lighting equipment beyond two (2) pieces, tripods, assistance
and supervision from WMATA staff, crews of more than three (3), or
that impairs ingress/egress or normal system operations shall be
governed by Section 100.8(a)(i). Television and newspaper press
crews of five (5) or fewer individuals and without any "plug-in"
equipment are not subject to this Use Regulation.

http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/docs/useregulations.pdf
12794978, ahh thanks for that.
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Apr-30-15 04:47 PM

"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."
12794692, My IG is full of metro shots
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 12:33 PM
It's with an iPhone though

I think it's only truly illegal to take pics at the Pentagon stop

Although using the flash this morning toward an oncoming train was really dumb of me and I won't be doing that's again
12794977, Ahhh...that would make sense...I think that's the only place I ever
Posted by FLUIDJ, Thu Apr-30-15 04:47 PM
noticed the No Photography sign.
good stuff....


"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."
12794688, Your in camera viewer will lie to you every time.
Posted by MEAT, Thu Apr-30-15 12:29 PM
Don't trust it.
12794600, aaaaaye TMZ hiring...i got a plug too
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Apr-30-15 10:52 AM
you need to come work there...thats a perfect gig for you...12 hrs a day...all the fkng celebs and bullshit you can handle..lemme know when u ready to make the move..imma make sure to put you in
12794602, Its a ghost, you gotta take its picture or it will suck your soul out
Posted by ShinobiShaw, Thu Apr-30-15 10:55 AM
Oh wait thats the game Fatal Frame
12794779, btw, i hope to god you are using your VF and not the screen to frame
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 01:50 PM
12794804, I've never used the VF so yeah I'm good lol
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 02:01 PM
12794980, i see new DSLR usesr use the screen and its super bad form
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 04:54 PM
because you are not using your body to brace the camera

if you use your body to brace the camera you are then able to get low light shots without the use of a tripod/monopod. nothing can ever replace a tripod, but sometimes you are without one and you just need to catch a shot (while also maybe hitting the upper limits of your camera's iso performance or while dealing with the limits of a slow lens)

one trick I use is teaching myself how to have both eyes open while one eye is up the viewfinder.

its good for helping me keep track of whats around me and if im shooting a person it helps to keep eye contact going to put them at ease

its not something I do all the time, but its a trick to have in your bag.
12795473, please use the view finder
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri May-01-15 12:07 PM
if you never used it you are far from good.

12794981, this post has me thinking about getting back in film...
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 04:54 PM
12795030, Yay glad it as good for something for someone else too!!!
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 06:05 PM
12795060, Has anyone done the Creative Cloud Photography plan?
Posted by lightworks, Thu Apr-30-15 06:49 PM
You get photoshop and lightroom for $9.99 a month.

Full desktop download of both.

Links to mobile apps for them.

Almost sounds too good to be true but I'm considering pulling the trigger and curious if yall had thoughts.
12795065, real talk, to start lightroom will have you straight for a long time
Posted by double negative, Thu Apr-30-15 06:56 PM
PS is great but its pretty fucking bloated because its a tool meant to do a zillion things where as lightroom is very focused
12795171, Baby steps before spending $
Posted by MEAT, Fri May-01-15 12:50 AM
At this point in time you don't even know which direction you're going. Not that I'm the type to tell another adult how to spend their money, but given the chance I'd advise to pick a path before you let the dollars guide you.
12795331, Great advice. I still pulled the trigger though. And it's only $10/month.
Posted by lightworks, Fri May-01-15 10:16 AM
But you're correct though.
12795277, had it since it came out its great
Posted by unfukwitable, Fri May-01-15 09:21 AM
lightroom is really easy to learn. If you get into it i can send some tutorials your way
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12795328, The photography plan? So you like it huh?
Posted by lightworks, Fri May-01-15 10:15 AM
How do you get around the 2GB max cloud storage?

I know if you get the whole suite or PS standalone you get 20GB and I've only had the CC for a day and haven't hit the max but I'm curious how one deals with that.
12795353, inbox
Posted by lightworks, Fri May-01-15 10:34 AM
12795280, Buying Lightroom straight up is a better deal....
Posted by FLUIDJ, Fri May-01-15 09:26 AM
Newegg often runs specials on it too.....
12795178, Full auto mode.. definitely not the best to be in the long run, although
Posted by neuro_OSX, Fri May-01-15 01:59 AM
Aperture priority and shutter priority modes have there uses, most definitely. Auto ISO has its uses as well.. Its photography not religion, let go of the dogmatic demeanor yo! HAHHAHA