got me reconsidering with these models.

http://s2.glbimg.com/ELnMfzd1-YA7o0P2l9vYWUBRBHA=/smart/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2015/04/06/mti5mjg5nda0njkzodgzntiz.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/lane-bryant-no-angel-campaign_n_7010676.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067


I walked by a Lane Bryant store the other day and did a double take at the mannequins.

Mannequins in general are becoming more well endowed. I saw some like this on Fulton street the other day.

http://www.retailhellunderground.com/.a/6a00e54f10a098883401a73de651a7970d-pi

But I am off topic. I see you Lane Bryant.




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Good to know.

the percentage of women that big with stomachs that flat is approaching zero. Skinny chicks are far more common.

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Very freeing.

(when done in conservative amounts)

I had one chick like that before, but even she had a very chubby face

it's nice to see tho...

http://i.imgur.com/xOrxf8p.gif?1

nm

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also they must be on younger sides.
having a body like that in your thirties is very unlikely
unless you're an athlete or super-active

anyway most men would agree these girls are hot

or getting photoshoped because they are models?

and I'm not hatin' I like em a little thick but I think it's hogwash to say these women aren't the norm.

bc they weren't thick enough

where's the double chins?

>the percentage of women that big with stomachs that flat is
>approaching zero. Skinny chicks are far more common.

features. These women aren't anything close to what we'd call average/regular.

is always spun as some "realistic woman" shit.

Any woman can lose fat and work the muscles. Only a privileged few are blessed with the ability to store fat in a "curvy" way.

All women are real.

But if "realistic" refers to what any random woman can look like, this surely isn't it.

lol

Yall can stick to your 'preferences'
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"Hey thickums, I wouldn't mind smashing on a slow day so please pat my back" post.

And nothing against big drawls. I weigh a little over a buck fifty and ain't got no business trying to wrestle too much outside my weight class.


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they doing olympic level back flip back hand compliments
its kinda wild
into devolved dismounted splits on moral stances

typical

got no moral stance on not much anything on the boards on a regular day
but note it pops up at these really odd moments in posts that tell us more about the poster
than the supposed stance they want to think they are assuming
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referring to ol girl on the far left...


man I'm passing on each one of these women.

So she's sitting there with the Bubbles from the Wire face and something is wrong with me?! FOH!

If I bring that face to my patnas house party, I might get my card pulled

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and put them in a print ad, what do you think people would think of the ad?


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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

But not smart enough to outsmart all of us.

It's great that they're not just showing skinny ass models. But just like with Dove, they show the best of all ranges, while still making sure they have BOMB faces, no stretchmarks, not too much extra flab. Basically, as said, it doesn't look like a random assortment of their regular shoppers. If it did, it would have zero appeal.

plus sized MODELS...

MODELS!!!

and they bunched them together for a reason. Yall ran in here like "these aren't regular womens"

I know it's OKP but damn man.. yall will bang on anything.

>plus sized MODELS...
>
>MODELS!!!
>
>and they bunched them together for a reason. Yall ran in here
>like "these aren't regular womens"
>
>I know it's OKP but damn man.. yall will bang on anything.



what you have is a bunch of dudes
firm in their
i don't like fat women opinion not realizing
yes those women are also considered fat
no not just in the plus size modeling world
its photography, lighting, retouching
and now you see them trying to adjusting their
oh "not fat fat"
no THATS aiight (or acceptable)
but yet and still gasping in horror
when say JLo has an unretouched shot and theres cellulite

all women are real folks
yes even the ones in pictures
every one has bad fucking days
there is a lot of work that goes behind ALL images put in front of you to sell a product
NO ONE ESCAPES THE RETOUCHER WHEN MONEY IS ON THE LINE

smh*
idiots
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NOBODY is going that far.

Speaking for myself...I just realize that they still aren't showing ALL types of women, and that's it. I'm not at all on that whole "ughhh you see that Amber Rose pic with the cellulite, that's nasty" type shit at all.

I just think it's an interesting campaign that's still leaving plenty of women out, but showing enough different types to say "look, we're not just showing the bony women!" I'm not at all against it, it's surely better than the Victoria's Secret types that only show size 0.5.

note once again legs is saying the same damn thing
but somehow
>I< offended


i'm not the one who needs to chill out in here

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I just want them to talk about what type of women would make this campaign legit?

>I just want them to talk about what type of women would make
>this campaign legit?


do you dude
you just about to hit another hot button
better you than me
they don't take this kind of shit well from moi
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I told you to chill and not legs, just because he's a man and you're a woman.

And not because you called us idiots.

Ok. (C) SoWhat

you must also have anticipated my idiot remark for a good while
and busted in here on some
"lfresh is going to call us idiots!"
"lets react in a really weird way to images of women!"
"because she will call us idiots!"


you right all my fault
proceed
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And I'm not at all mad, but it starts a (positive?) slippery slope...guys who may not check for bigger girls will see these here and say "damn, maybe I do like bigger chicks." But then it goes two ways...some will realize that these types aren't all that common, which is the "bang on" part you call out, and they'll still go back to the smaller ones they prefer. Or...they start on that slippery slope and end up being into bigger women. I know plenty dudes who got into them in a similar way, just not from this campaign.

It's not at ALL about us saying they aren't "regular"...but more so, that this body type and look isn't that common. Huge, huge huge difference. AND you're a buster for giving LFresh bait, LOL

they exist and they were fun... put a hurting on your boy in a good way.

I don't think this is going to do anything bad at all.

Some dudes will try it out and like it, some won't.

but to think this is going to damage people or give false hope is some bullshit.

We see these women everyday but we ignore them for the most part. Well, I'm down south so I don't ignore them and most dudes down here have no problem getting down with a plus sized girl.

Unrealistic expectations for real..it's possible, but not a bad thing to me.

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if we check any store and the people who shop there, we will not (most of the time) find a bunch of model-esque people wearing the clothes..it'll be people of varying shapes and sizes, etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7PPjEB2QZQ

'No Angel', Beyonce.

I like very petite girls but I would knock the linin' outta that muthafuckin (c) random dude in Menace

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you grab the average chick shopping at any smaller size store don't look like the models either

They are portraying themselves as being above glamorizing unrealistic body images for marketing purposes

When in actuality they are just using a different sort of unrealistic

>They are portraying themselves as being above glamorizing
>unrealistic body images for marketing purposes
>
>When in actuality they are just using a different sort of
>unrealistic

That's probably worded better than anything I could have said on it.

though they ARE presenting a larger size, even though it's not a typical one

but the replies here just seem a bit extra in general, which sort of makes campaigns like this, while not ideal, refreshing to see because the scrutiny is off the chain. lol

this is some water is wet bullshit.

what kills me is the Black girl in the middle has her body hidden by 2 other models.

These women are pushed together so we can't see there flaws or curves yet people are acting like this body type isn't realistic?

Really? this place is so fucking weird.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3027776/Plus-size-clothing-company-Lane-Bryant-hits-Victoria-s-Secret-provocative-lingerie-campaign.html


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These women have great bodies.

I think y'all are doing a little too much to discredit this campaign.

maybe I'm reading this all wrong or Lane Bryant is for the morbidly obese but I'm not seeing what y'all are seeing.

I see pretty faces on big women in an ad campaign. Its like y'all want them ugly and broke the fuck down to be realistic about who they serve and that's fucked up.

big women should be able to have pretty big women as their models without being told it ain't the norm.

like those who are chosen to represent products

but theyre going especially hard in here to prove that point like we don't already know it

and a campaign like this, which again, is still just a campaign-a marketing ploy to sell because they are not in the self esteem business, they are in the business of selling clothing-sort of seems justified given the replies here. even if the campaign is insincere, it clearly has a place or serves a need b/c dudes in here going in hard

dudes ran in here like KIM these are great bodies...FOH.

I see handles, scars, the hunched over model pose while sucking in the gut and pressing on the stomach, size 16 hips.

and trying to say a skinny model type slow easier to find than these women?

LOL, dudes in here selling all types of dreams to stop guys from considering a plus size.

ole captain obvious niggas

> they are not in the
>self esteem business

but bodies like these are one-in-a million. You can't get these bodies through diet or exercise. It's pure genetic jackpot shit. They are blessed to be able to carry that kind of weight with those waists and stomachs.

would you smash?



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but par for the course in the world of fantasy is only for certain people

others must have reality at all times
because
fat is never acceptable
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That's fucked up.

Im all for hyperdeveloped secondary sexual characteristics

But that has nothing to do with what real women look like. Which would be ok if that wasnt the marketing strategy.

It's still nice to see bigger women being held up as beautiful. It doesn't happen often enough. It could be that seeing this makes big women happy - it increases their self esteem maybe. Or at least doesn't hurt like the accumulation of all the other images with thin women held up as the height of beauty. This time it's bigger women. Good for them.

You have an aspect of this that you really like

I have an entirely unrelated aspect of this that i really dont

Lets not assign antagonistic positions to the other

I see a bunch of dudes reacting negatively to an ad that features scantily clad women but isn't created with the male gaze in mind and so the dudes are puzzled and must dissect the ad. It pushed my button.

that's far worse and more damaging than a company using a tactic (a KNOWN one even) to sell a product

if anything, it justifies their tactic.

thanks you two


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And many of those who agreed with reply 2.

Besides the generic run of the mill objectification of these particular women?

I think you got lumped in because you are the OP.

are reacting negatively

when smaller women are presented, apart from the outrageous TOKPR responses that are outliers ("she ain't that cute". "ive seen cuter girls at the piggly wiggly"), y'all are like

'FAT GIRLS DONT LOOK LIKE THAT'

'THIS IS A GENETIC BLESSING. NO REAL FAT GIRLS HAVE SMALL STOMACHS'

'WHY NOT GET THE REAL GREASY GUTBUCKET CHICKS WHO BUY THEIR SHIT IN THE ADS'

lol. like skinny girls can get the pretty fashion models and it's ok/typical but the fat girls can only get the most realistic depiction of themselves because they are fat and deserve no better. if that's not what you mean, that's certainly what it comes off as because if it was another type of ad that featured "normal sized" girls, i really doubt guys would be calling for the average chicks to be featured because the models are an unattainable dream. you'd be too busy focused on the models.

again, at this point i'd even go for a jade typhooning where y'all just posted up mad pics of Marquita Pring and called it a day than the shit y'all are saying right now

Most guys here seem to be saying that this is just another example of ad agencies using models with unattainable body types. Legs came in like "nope, they still fat. Flattering angles. Not good bodies" and somehow he's on the feminist side.

this isn't one in a million, as you said

people in here are making it seem like these aren't real 'fat' girls and that this is totally unattainable and they should present the 'real' fat girls who are not attractive and not as ideally shaped

no one is saying this when other, more "conventionally" sized women are posted up

so why now?

that's something women would be expected to do and y'all would say we are killing your fantasy

buy y'all in here killing something that wasn't even for you.

I thought about it and you're right. If I was on a website with a bunch of white dudes tawmbout "but these are exceptional hood negroes", I'd side-eye the shout out of them. I wasn't trying to imply that's the only way a big woman could be attractive, but I can see how it could come off that way.

I had an lfresh moment up in this bitch...lol

one in a million? Dudes really thought they were helping big women by shitting on this body type in an ad?

and somehow I was the one who was being negative by calling it like I honestly see it when compared to 99% of models in ads in America?

I see big women, one has a scar running up her entire mid section but since they have pretty faces dudes are in here on some "these are GREAT BODIES" because they feel guilty for feeling some sensation in their dicks.

attractive

or rather, they admit that in public

designer test tube thicksnacks!

there are no prizes
only angry posters who will blame you for everything
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DON'T LET THE PRETTY FACE ON A PLUS SIZE FOOL YOU!!!

THEY DON'T EXIST!!!

I was honestly lost on to what y'all were saying at first.

>are reacting negatively
>
>when smaller women are presented, apart from the outrageous
>TOKPR responses that are outliers ("she ain't that cute". "ive
>seen cuter girls at the piggly wiggly"), y'all are like
>
>'FAT GIRLS DONT LOOK LIKE THAT'
>
>'THIS IS A GENETIC BLESSING. NO REAL FAT GIRLS HAVE SMALL
>STOMACHS'
>
>'WHY NOT GET THE REAL GREASY GUTBUCKET CHICKS WHO BUY THEIR
>SHIT IN THE ADS'

I think the point I personally made was "these aren't what I would consider to be big/fat girls"...and that's literally it.

My first response was about a girl I dated who had this type size, and I was agreeing that it isn't a common size to find. Wasn't saying anything negative or even positive, but just noting that.

>lol. like skinny girls can get the pretty fashion models and
>it's ok/typical but the fat girls can only get the most
>realistic depiction of themselves because they are fat and
>deserve no better. if that's not what you mean, that's
>certainly what it comes off as because if it was another type
>of ad that featured "normal sized" girls, i really doubt guys
>would be calling for the average chicks to be featured because
>the models are an unattainable dream. you'd be too busy
>focused on the models.

BUT...here's the thing. We do see a LARGE VARIETY of "skinny" chicks. We get the boniest...to the slim, slightly toned, slightly curvy...to the very skinny yet curvy....to the normal, not really "skinny"...etc etc etc. So I actually see this from a whole different angle, which is "they are only presenting one type of 'big'...whether it's common or not." And I mention that it was smart to do, because these "big" chicks still have great appeal...yet, it is unfair to never show the range that big girls can have.

Like...when Monique had the big girls do Beyonce, I thought it was dope, and hilarious. No offense taken, no "ugh they're fat" at all. Yet, I can see some guys and even women saying "ugh, all these fat ass girls dancing, they need to stop." Now THAT is completely out of pocket, disrespectful. But this case here, maybe I was misunderstood on it, but was surely not seeing it the same way.

But if you think my interest in this has anything to do with women, skinny, fat, or otherwise...

We arent on the same page

* the royal "you" not *you*

Just dont pretend that isnt what youre doing and slap a high-minded slogan on it

I love the imagery...just not the corporate doublespeak

by challenging this ad. Bc there is a palpable disdain for big women undergirding much of this discussion.

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>by challenging this ad. Bc there is a palpable disdain for
>big women undergirding much of this discussion.


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i mean really apart from high fashion no one's using models and insulting the people they are selling to

but y'all are really coming out of the woodwork to discredit the possibility that there are actually some larger sized pretty women and that this is not only misleading, but the poor fat girls being duped into buying bras by a company trying to present an ad that might make them feel good about their bodies! sacre bleu!

you see this shit in 'normal' sized clothing ads and in beauty ads that feature 'normal' sized models come on now.

the point is, y'all are being extra. i'd even wish the post just remained to BGs original point where y'all just posted up some plus sized models and ogled. still backhanded complimenty as hell but at least somewhat appreciative. lol.

Mostly because i have no team. I have *my* thoughts on the way LB is doing business and thats about it.

if you feel someone is expressing disdain for large women, by all means, let it be known. But there is no way you could actually think thats what *I'm* doing.

>but y'all are really coming out of the woodwork to discredit
>the possibility that there are actually some larger sized
>pretty women

Dont yall me with that nonsense. Ive said nothing even remotely close to that. What I have said is that LB is using bodytypes just as fantastical as the company they are taking direct shots at. No more, no less.

>and that this isnt only misleading, but the
>poor fat girls being duped into buying bras by a company
>trying to present an ad that might make them feel good about
>their bodies! sacre bleu!

Again, who are you lumping me in with? If a fat girl sees the ads and wants to go buy a bra, more power to her. Im not talking about people, im talking about corporate marketing.

>you see this shit in 'normal' sized clothing ads and in beauty
>ads that feature 'normal' sized models come on now.
>the point is, y'all are being extra. i'd even wish the post
>just remained to BGs original point where y'all just posted up
>some plus sized models and ogled. still backhanded complimenty
>as hell but at least somewhat appreciative. lol.

i think extra is the amount of times you replied to me with you and yall despite the fact that almost nothing you typed actually applies to me. what i actually think is that all those women are hot period, with no qualifiers. I just tried to avoid giving any sort of personal judgment on them to avoid what just happened here.

My thoughts on lane bryants business practices have nothing to do with the way i feel about bigger girls, which for the record, is quite appreciative.

but you

you seem to be anti hypocrisy

the rest seem to be anti the idea that fat girls can

a)look this way
b)can be marketed to in the same way "normal" sized women are marketed to (though I kind of feel you are a little in this b) category )

>but you
>you seem to be anti hypocrisy
>the rest seem to be anti the idea that fat girls can

>a)look this way

Of course they can. Just like VS customers can look like Brooklyn Decker. So why would LB criticize?

>b)can be marketed to in the same way "normal" sized women are
>marketed to (though I kind of feel you are a little in this b)
>category )

Obviously they *can* be marketed to this way. My only interest in this is that LB is pretending that they arent doing it when they obviously are, and taking shots at another company for doing the exact same thing albeit with a different target demo.

Up above you said that LB isnt in the self esteem business. They most assuredly are, and thats fine. Thats the dominant marketing strategy of our times. Im just saying they are trying to pull an okey doke. The fact that their target demographic is historically marginalized doesn't change that.

they are not in the self esteem biz
no more than any other clothing or beauty product is

they have to make the consumer feel good in order to sell. that's how it works. LB and Dove (who did a similar campaign) are just doing it differently to get attention. which is good for them. and their ad agency

again, you're sort of lumping yourself in with the rest of these guys unfortunately. you're presenting your point to say LB is going hard on the self esteem and they have to because they sell girls to fat women and they need the self esteem more! lol. stop.

no one is fooled by this ad. but the extent to which men in this thread, including yourself are going through to disprove it as if you're doing these women a favor by exposing this plot (lol), considering it's not even marketed to you, is just disturbing

>they are not in the self esteem biz
>no more than any other clothing or beauty product is

Very true, that level is 100% and you are correct that they are nowhere close to the only ones.

>they have to make the consumer feel good in order to sell.
>that's how it works. LB and Dove (who did a similar campaign)
>are just doing it differently to get attention. which is good
>for them. and their ad agency

I agree, and up to this point i see nothing wrong with it. Its much better than using fear of being a loser, which is how a lot of companies sell things.

>again, you're sort of lumping yourself in with the rest of
>these guys unfortunately. like LB is going hard on the self
>esteem and they have to because they sell girls to fat women.
>stop.

No no, thats not it. If this campaign had everything except the shots at VS i see no problems. Promoting imagery that makes fat women feel good about themselves is great. Pretending they are even a smidge different than VS however, is laughable.

I GOT THEM REAL WOMAN DOLLARS.

*sigh*
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My nxgga. If you didn't show up I was gon' post it and credit you. LOL

just because ya'll will appreciate and it's the proper response for this post.

http://rebloggy.com/post/black-fashion-plus-size-plus-size-model-bbbg-psblogger-essie-golden-goldenlady25/81484850359

http://www.readytostare.com/ready-to-stare-celebrates-with-essie-golden/

http://www.readytostare.com/ready-to-stare-celebrates-with-essie-golden/

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We do need help in the run game this season

yaw hatin / i luh her

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"What 'Sexy' Really Looks Like"..

Dont tell me what the fuck I need to think is sexy.

That said..

Black chick in the middle with the big ass titties could get 3-5 minutes of the jswerve386 action.. lol

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That said, far left all the way! My GOODNESS

I see ppl crossing that line a lot, and while the former is important and good for humanity, the latter is dangerous and sends the wrong message.

It should never be promoted as PREFERABLE to be less fit aka less healthy than you can be.

A lotta yall talk about paternalism and fucked up male ideals for women right? Just let society ever come to a place where overweight becomes the normal typical standard for sex symbols and sexiness, where women are discouraged from being healthier, where men complain that a girl isn't chunky enough and needs to stop trying to live long, then see the outrage. And that outrage would be just as justified as the mythological ultra-thin standard (which isn't actually our culture's sexiness standard, but just a way to display clothes on the runway).

>I see ppl crossing that line a lot, and while the former is
>important and good for humanity, the latter is dangerous and
>sends the wrong message.
>
>It should never be promoted as PREFERABLE to be less fit aka
>less healthy than you can be.
>
>A lotta yall talk about paternalism and fucked up male ideals
>for women right? Just let society ever come to a place where
>overweight becomes the normal typical standard for sex symbols
>and sexiness, where women are discouraged from being
>healthier, where men complain that a girl isn't chunky enough
>and needs to stop trying to live long, then see the outrage.
>And that outrage would be just as justified as the
>mythological ultra-thin standard (which isn't actually our
>culture's sexiness standard, but just a way to display clothes
>on the runway).
>
>

or at least close to it...


and get more brown big girls on the billboards

What have you done?

I said I wasn't checking for them. And that's mainly because I am not a big dude. Didn't say it had nothing to do with their attractiveness. Seeing all these attractive big jawns together, I then said makes me want to reconsider my stance.

But yeah I see how it could it could be taken that way and I could have phrased it differently...but then it wouldn't have gone poast now would it?


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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

if these models had double chins....

I'm willing to say even a little stomach flab wouldn't have much of a difference more than the facial effects

yall must be amatures if you think a woman wiht a belly is unattractive.

from the top You can lean on the belly which saves your shoulders and arms from getting overly worked.
from the back you her belly helps boost her but up in the air for maximum penetration.

I'm dropping knowledge fellas. But yall don't hear me though.