12769165, RE: This is Indiana trying to usurp a civil right with a "religious right" Posted by murph71, Wed Apr-01-15 12:22 PM
>Case - it actually reminds me of a lot of your posts where >you don't >plainly speak about your opposition to gay marriage and civil >rights >for LGBT people, and instead approach it obtusely instead of >directly. > >Gay marriage *is* an issue of basic civil rights. We have a >deep tradition >of negative rights within our Constitution (the right to be >left alone) - and >an LGBT person has the unfettered right to pursue basic civil >rights (marriage, freedom >of association, right to not be denied basic services because >of discrimination >of immutable characteristics (sexuality, race, gender) --- >this is all within >the purview of *civil* rights and we should never lose focus >of that as politicians >try to draft up laws and ordinances aimed to usurp these >rights. > >What this is really about is the cowardice of >"religious/conservative value" people >to not just (wo)man up and be clear about their views on the >issue of gay marriage: >They are against it, but this is a way for them to not have to >plainly state it - they >want to say 'well this is about religious rights' --- no it's >not, it's about civil rights >and the right of a protected class to be left alone from those >who seek to merge >church & state under the guise of "religious expression." > >Be an adult and just say what you are against and stop hiding. > But of course, the >reason why they are hiding and manipulating local laws is >because they know they >are on the wrong side of history, but are stubbornly holding >on to a dying viewpoint >that has no place in a progressive, tolerant, and inclusive >society.
Yeah! (c) Brolic dude from Trading Places
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