This weekend, my wife and I went to the home of a woman who works under my wife. The woman's husband has the same position she has. Their combined income can't exceed 120k, yet they have a 600k house.

My wife made a joke about their house being nicer than ours, and the woman said that they saved money by having a destination wedding, and used the money that would have been spend on the wedding for a down payment. NO MUTHERFUCKER. Somebody's parents or grandparents is fucking rich and gave your white asses money to buy the house. We not dumb.

I've known way too many white people in my years who were living lifestyles far beyond what their incomes could support. The honest ones admitted that mommy and daddy were footing all or part of the bill, but most hemmed and hawed and made implausible excuses about how they managed their opulence.

and plenty non-whites have family money to help them out.

and 'family money' could be a one-time shot. like the parents saved a sum to give the kids but there's no ongoing support.

and some ppl do receive enough $ as wedding gifts from family and friends et al to fund a down payment on a house.

"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY8_7LWDx0w

i'm bookmarking that link

and in this case, they be helpin. Even if this couple got the 120k downpayment as a wedding gift(s), their income wouldn't support the 480k mortgage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY8_7LWDx0w

Like we went to the same school and have the same job, but holy shit your crib is nice!!!!

Kudos to white folks for not being showy with the wealth and you don't find out they got it like that until they buy their kids that big nice house.

I daydream about how nice and ahead of the game I would be if paying for where I want to live was a non-issue.


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"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

Unfortunately, I was supporting my mom a good chunk of the time towards the end of her life and it wasn't like I was working a great job where that wasn't difficult.

However, I get the gist of your point.

If most of the people in your circle got help from their parents, it kind of goes without saying...if YOU didn't and are in the home of someone that did, of course that's going to be a big deal for you, but for alot of people, that's the way it is (and should be)

At the same time, making a joke about their house in comparison to yours was tacky. Of course they aren't going to say they got help bc ya'll clearly feel a way about it. Is it understandable why you feel a way about it...sure. But that got more to do with ya'll then them. Why should they have to be fully transparent about their personal business to make you feel better about yourself?

>If most of the people in your circle got help from their
>parents, it kind of goes without saying...if YOU didn't and
>are in the home of someone that did, of course that's going to
>be a big deal for you, but for alot of people, that's the way
>it is (and should be)

I dunno about "should be", and I don't think those people should be so isolated from the financial realities of the rest of America that they don't recognize their privilege.


>At the same time, making a joke about their house in
>comparison to yours was tacky. Of course they aren't going to
>say they got help bc ya'll clearly feel a way about it.

We were there to GIVE them our baby bassinet and hand-me-downs because my wife liked her and thought they could use the help.

Is it
>understandable why you feel a way about it...sure. But that
>got more to do with ya'll then them. Why should they have to
>be fully transparent about their personal business to make you
>feel better about yourself?

We feel really good about ourselves because we've made it on our own. Earned every penny. They don't need transparent to make us feel better about ourselves, but as I said before, sometimes you need to make people aware of their privilege. People who were born on third base and think they his a triple are unfortunately the people who shape American policy.

>I dunno about "should be", and I don't think those people
>should be so isolated from the financial realities of the rest
>of America that they don't recognize their privilege.

LOL. okay.

>We were there to GIVE them our baby bassinet and hand-me-downs
>because my wife liked her and thought they could use the
>help.

that was a nice gesture.


>We feel really good about ourselves because we've made it on
>our own. Earned every penny.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d2/d272419bff4ec100d75eac6ce43dbe83c3a8ab5fc6fbbb40f6728abbb01aa4db.jpg

They don't need transparent to
>make us feel better about ourselves, but as I said before,
>sometimes you need to make people aware of their privilege.
>People who were born on third base and think they his a triple
>are unfortunately the people who shape American policy.

^ we'll see if you're invited to their next dinner party. LOL

The fact that your wife was giving them something helps to explain her feelings about their crib tho.

Unless that specific person is a policymaker, Congressman, etc
what you did was a bit extra
It's great that you and your wife bootstrapped your way to achieving the American Dream but guess what? not everyone holds themselves to your standard. Unless they asked me specifically for my thoughts on the matter, I just would have taken silent pride that if/when it all fell down tomorrow that my family would still be afloat and left it at that.

It's cool to be proud of earning every penny yourself, but it's one way, not the only way. You don't get a prize for it.

Plenty of people in this country both rich and a little less than rich would be worse off if not for their ancestors passing something on, whether it be a little or a lot.

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or back at home. but i wouldn't have brought it up w/the couple.

see... this is when I have to call niggas out.

Yall can't make post about $600 shoes and then get mad when someone has a nice house and accepts your hand me downs.

maybe they saved a grip because they aren't too proud for second hand shit.

>maybe they saved a grip because they aren't too proud for second hand shit.

>see... this is when I have to call niggas out.
>
>Yall can't make post about $600 shoes and then get mad when
>someone has a nice house and accepts your hand me downs.
>
>maybe they saved a grip because they aren't too proud for
>second hand shit.
>
>
>
>

>I dunno about "should be", and I don't think those people
>should be so isolated from the financial realities of the rest
>of America that they don't recognize their privilege.
>


I still fux with this point tho.

Those 'ninja' loans and mortgages with overstated income are still out there

>

Where was the destination wedding, their parent's living room??

One study said the average cost of a destination wedding was $23,800, non-destination weddings at $26,989

That's a .03% down payment on a 600K (your estimate) house

SOMEBODY IS LYING!!

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found a living social deal lol and borrowed the wedding dress and groom wore linen pants i dunno but yeah lol

>and groom wore linen pants i dunno but yeah lol

It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
for those that ain't scared

we spent 6k on our wedding and had 125 people
if you know how to work it, you can easily have an affordable wedding
mfers just be going extra with that shit

Their finances really ain't your business, b.
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the less-fortunate love throwing shade at the more-fortunate (see: this post).

the more-fortunate throw shade at the less-fortunate usually in form of blaming assumed character flaws for the financial woes of the less-fortunate (see: 'welfare queen' and 'bootstraps').

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pay no attention to income/wealth disparity.

construction loan fell through

c'mon, b.

Sure there is system wealth and income disparity in this country, but this ain't about that. We're talking about one couple that is living well and you questioning why.

For real, for real, they could be benefitting from generational weath, or leveraged to the gills. All I'm saying is people are better off focusing on their own.
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Like, if they were closer to the couple, there's nothing wrong with pulling them aside and asking how they're able to manage that house at their incomes. You might learn something or just be motivated to do better for yourself and your family.

My only problem is when people mentally SPEND my money for me... when they start talking about what I should be doing or should have done with my money. That's going too far.

For them to afford that house at that income, I'd guess they needed to put down well over 100k.

You never really know other people's situations (which is why trying to keep up is so foolhardy) but I'd guess the only way they saved that much was with either equity from a previous house or help from parents (either downpayment assistance or parents took care of college so they have no school loans).

at a profit?

who knows... but once he said they GAVE baby shit to them it made me re-evaluate my stance.

My sister in law lives in a HUGE mansion in Richmond but she still is cheap as FUCK. She bought her baby pump off of craigslist and refused to heat their last house because she didn't want to pay a gas bill.

Kids were ashy as hell.

some sort of settlement that gave them a 6 figure payout.

which is why counting other people money is silly unless you are invited to.

would be putting too much of my wife's personal info. Rest assured, we know that this is their first house, their first time making ANY money, and what they make.

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these ridiculously high rents. i was looking at some of the new developments and rent amounts for places in buckhead, midtown and other intown desirable neighborhoods and the rents are just extreme

yet these student and fresh out of college White (and Asian) kids are paying these amounts

i can only think mommy and daddy are helping and consider how many Black or Latino parents cant do that

They go on a destination wedding. My FIL is caked up and his daughter is a Doctor.

This white dude tried to say the house in the Bahama's was his...

NOPE!!!

After a few drinks the Best Man slipped up and admitted it was someone else's house.

My FIL was like.."he's a BUM....he's broke, I know she loves him but he's a BUM, he doesn't have any money"

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Ever go to a real estate open house? Half the people there are usually people from the neighborhood who wanna see what their neighbor's got.

And best believe the moment you have a housewarming and you send out the invite with your new address, half the people you know are looking it up.

Sheeeit, as a matter of fact, if you google the address to get directions, half the time all sorts of land sale sites pop up with that info anyways.

People are just naturally nosy that way.
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Were in the market. It is curiosity on many levels beyond just nosiness.

pretty sure he called or went to an open house to get the exact square footage.

This is like an episode of Real Housewives of Sha

for all you know, that house could have been a foreclosure OR they could have bought it when the housing market was a better. Why are you and your wife hating because they can afford something you guys (think) you can't afford?

for ALL y'all know, they could have been saving up money since college and got together and had $200K to put down on house...or maybe...JUST MAYBE...

instead of spending their money on frivolous things, they devised a plan to buy their dream home and maybe that's WHY your wife thought that the other lady "needed" her baby things when in fact, they are living under their means because they have other goals.

How are y'all even counting their paycheck? if they are white, they probably making more than y'all anyway.

There are things I can't say.

this is all just so tacky...

instead of wondering how they are getting what they got, why not focus on trying to get more of what you need to get where you want to be?

this is one of the biggest mistakes black people make...comparing themselves to others and wondering WHY they aren't in the same position. and because you can't figure out how they do it, they must have gotten help. the fact is, they might have help, but if they do, that's not your business and to say "that makes me feel better" because now you can "accept" what you don't have because no one else would have it either without help when that's no way true.

While it's presumptuous to assume the money came from their parents and not the lottery/a patent/pirate treasure, that is the most likely source of their wealth.

Death in the family or something else. Their parents may outright own the house and just be letting them stay there. You don't know the situation.

than mine, but when my parents died, they had a sizeable insurance policy and since I have no other siblings, I got everything. Would you like some more peppermint tea?



FOH

each had a deceased parent who had left them some money. i never brought it up to throw it in their face when i felt some kind of way about my own financial situation. b/c what kind of friend does that?

LOL

ADMIT IT BRAD!

>ADMIT IT BRAD!

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I'm gonna live comfortably and not give a fuck about what other people think of it.

they probably DID use the money they would have spent on a huge local wedding for their downpayment.

the missing link is that all of that money that would have went to the wedding would have been from relatives - so their relatives did help get them their house.

my friends spent 60K on their wedding (a good chunk from parents and relatives) and after they just wished they had taken half that and put it down on a crib.

not to the point of paying for my house, but when we bought it they did give us a not-insignificant bridge loan at no interest to help with the down payment until we could sell the old place.

Giving me a job with the family business has been much more helpful long-term, though.

i'd do the same.
Fuck your fort!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_sybDacvPk

they see us with nice things.

about generational wealth and building

and how its been an uphill battle for blacks people since a lot of folks are really just a generation or less from poverty

I think the reactions in here are because the OP and his wife really were less than graceful about the subject.

I mean, who really goes into someone else's house and goes (even lightly) into finances with people you're not really close to like that. I was always taught that finances are one of those things you don't talk about in polite company.

But generational wealth is a real thing. The couple is clearly benefitting from it, but what's wrong with that?
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this is why i hate internet debates, its easy to derail things

what if they worked hard and saved instead of buying a bunch of "look at me know" duds?

does it hurt the soul to see people making the same about as you and living in a nicer house than you because they put that above new shoes and popping tags?

just sayin'.. I was at a consignment sale for kids clothing at a HS in the nicer part of Charlotte and it was 95% white people and most looked like middle class or better.

Diaper Genie for $3. Nautica Onesie's for $1.25.

some people have no shame and will save every nickel for that House..

and we have no idea if they caught a short sale or foreclosure during the housing bust.

I'm just saying some people are real sensitive about it. But at the end of the day, it really isn't anyone's business.

Just like the OP said, they saw an identical house next to theirs for sale. But that house might have had more upgrades, and like you said, who knows when the couple in question bought their house or how.

But whether they are benefitting from generational wealth or not, it's not the OP's business. Or anyone's really. I just find it fascinating how we like to speculate.
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a BS answer was given...

and it's like this...if u defensive about that shit...come up with a better bullshit excuse or own up to it...

we acting like the OP demanded and explanation on the spot...

they weren't prying or asking for personal biz...but if you gonna volunteer info...at least make it truthful

even if they're being snarky. But that kind of response is basically "you can do it too if you're frugal" aka bootstraps.

approval they could at least tell a believable lie about their books or be somewhat graceful in their awkwardness at dealing w/passive-aggression so you can feel better about your own situation.

was said.

for having a nicer house than the speaker?

LOL

it's awkward.

>for having a nicer house than the speaker?

which points out that she thinks "how can y'all afford this if we can't" who says "your house is nicer than mine?" why can't you just say "you have a beautiful house."

the woman ain't stupid, she knew what your wife was getting at HENCE she felt the need to put it in perspective about saving money by doing certain things, because she already knows your wife is looking like "how sway!"

others.

and GW is not a white-exclusive thing.

and not all white ppl have access to it.

and experiencing frustration (aka jealousy pka envy) about acquaintances seeming to have access to it where one has no access is understandable.

and allowing that frustration to boil over to the point where GW is brought up passive-aggressively in an attempt to shade acquaintances to their face ain't cool. though it's understandable.

struggling, or the couple who has benefited from GW was trying to stunt.

that don't seem to be the situation here.


>and experiencing frustration (aka jealousy pka envy) about acquaintances seeming to have access to it where one has no access is understandable.

>and allowing that frustration to boil over to the point where GW is brought up passive-aggressively in an attempt to shade acquaintances to their face ain't cool. though it's understandable.

>and GW is not a white-exclusive thing.
>
>and not all white ppl have access to it.
>
>and experiencing frustration (aka jealousy pka envy) about
>acquaintances seeming to have access to it where one has no
>access is understandable.
>
>and allowing that frustration to boil over to the point where
>GW is brought up passive-aggressively in an attempt to shade
>acquaintances to their face ain't cool. though it's
>understandable.
>


over calling out the OP's jealousy i thought it was a great time to bring up a larger point

true, they definitely exist.

around 54%

no other ethnic/racial group is even near 30%

just like 30% of non-white ppl = 'all non-white ppl'.

so though i said not all white ppl have access to GW, if 54% of them do that means all of them do which means i was incorrect.

similarly where i said GW is not a white-exclusive thing if only 30% of non-whites have access to GW that means GW IS a white-exclusive thing and so i was also incorrect there.

sho you right.

let's take this Revolution to the next level.

the blueprint for your family.

It's kinda funny because HIS kids will be shitted on for the same thing in a few years.

Don't hate!! ASSIMILATE!!!

"You have a lovely home, way nicer than ours". Maybe not the nicest thing she could have said, but it was said in a jocular fashion. There was no follow up question.

No need for the woman to say anything besides thank you either. But she likely felt inclined to explain why they had a nicer house. But again, she didnt have to be transparent either.

What's funny is this that knowing how ya'll felt coupled with what your wife said, puts her comments in a different light. Its not surprising that the lady picked up on your feelings though.

as long as we are being accurate.

since accuracy seems important to u

selective reading much?

which makes it sound like "damn, y'all don't really need our shit"

not trying to read too far into it but maybe the wife was giving them free stuff because she thought they really needed it but after seeing the house they were like... "wait, hold up.."

>not trying to read too far into it but maybe the wife was giving them free stuff because she thought they really needed it but after seeing the house they were like... "wait, hold up.."

like, "=We coulda held this shit and have it to:

a) someone closer to us
b) someone who actually needs it

Folk tend to read into things for situations they weren't even apart of.

Yes it is possible your friends were lightweight offended by the joke but if you didn't say that in your OP in terms of giving context I think its crazy for folk to think they def were offended or thought the joke was tacky or whatever.

They are projecting their own feelings on how they would feel in that situation but that doesn't mean that it actually happened

so spare us that bull...

it's a great post for a monday.

every other month i pray my mom makes her rent.

she be trippin when she off her meds.

STRESS.

there is no way in hell we could have afforded our current house if we bought it at the height of the market. we bought it when the market was terrible and got two tax credits.

all this "don't count other people's money" shit is funny, 'cause it's part of the capitalist logic and an element to the idea of making it in America

whites have disproportionally more wealth than others in America, and part of the reason they tense up when debates / discussions around wealth and redistribution come up, and yes the industry of having a home is part of the system y'all bitch about when... nevermind

this is the place that saw poor workers organize around fast food wages and responded with they should get better jobs

I'm out

that watched the Dark Knight Rises and felt bad for the rich people when Bane and crew came through and started the lootin' and the burnin'

who doesn't like cake?

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met a white girl in college. she was white. she told me her parents told her to take out a loan for college. her white parents told her they would pay off her loan as a graduation gift. the white girl told me the thought of her white parents making her take out a loan for college scared her into getting good grades and graduating in 4 years.

it's one unique story, so it must be true for every white girl in college...and even if white people fuck up in college, they got a family friend that knows somebody that someone that owns a company with a job waiting for them...

I know tickets and hotel to fly to said destination wedding aint cheap as a guest but I would think if less people RSVP than they would if it was stateside it makes sense to me that out of pocket expenses would be cheaper for the couple.

Some people have destination weddings because they know that a lot of people won't come (can't afford the travel, or can't get off work, etc) so it's a way to extend an invite and make people feel good without them actually coming. So you can end up with a very small wedding, which is still much cheaper than having a huge wedding in a venue in the US. Wedding cost is almost always per guest.

I've also heard of other couples who chose to forgo the big wedding and the bride's father just gave them the cash instead, which they used for a down payment on a house. Almost anyone would agree that's a much better use of the money.

since they won't accept the invitation.

but i dunno from personal experience.

are between 28-34. I have a house, only 2 of the 18 attys in my office are homeowners (2 i'm not aware of) The majority of them making over 6 figures, the others make at least 90k. They are all white or jewish.

Frequently, they are shocked to learn that I am a homeowner or that i have a housekeeper or 2 cars. When they express surprise, or compare it to their situation I could explain what sacrifices my wife and i have made, what my wife does for a living, what help we received, what areas we are frugal, that we paid for city universities by working and never took a student loan, but i don't. I just smile and soak up the dumb look on their face.

pops helped some with the down payment for our current house. it wasn't a HUGE amount, but it made it possible for us to buy the house.

when i was underemployed over the summer my parents helped out by making sure we had enough to pay the bills and buy groceries. we were strugglin' and they helped fill the void. i in no way feel guilty about that and most definitely feel fortunate to have parents that could help out in that way. i understand that everyone is not in that situation. fortunately, we were and were able to maintain until my employment got straight.

but we already know i'm a race-traitor.

:(

To dissect her lil comment, animals!

because doing so would admit that the matrix* exists















*matrix being the current "invisible* interlocked system of classism and racism that currently rule everything

it actually made me feel shitty.

Dude hit me with a "damn, I can't imagine paying for college and paying back student loans"

he was unemployed too.

>Dude hit me with a "damn, I can't imagine paying for college and paying back student loans"

That's when I stopped trying to keep up with the Joneses.

>That's when I stopped trying to keep up with the Joneses.

If someone my age owns a really dope home and I realize they did it on their own, I actually feel worse. Like, "Dammit I need to step my career up"

At least when someone's parents hook them up, it doesn't mean they're harder working or more successful. It's just luck. And good for them.

and get there...

instead of feeling like it's not possible because your parents weren't white and rich.

Fuck that shit.

they could have just put 10% down which is just 60k and if thats the case then i can see getting help with that or they have some serious savings.

when you think about it if they have no kids and are just working with the 120k they can afford the mortgage.

i know the Mexicans go get financed with 4 to 5 incomes on their homes so maybe they did that too, a little co sign action


let it shine through!!!!!!

another dude blue line ranger season tickets Lots of stories like that here in our out of college sales team.

the elevator opened into his apt. He lived alone.

elevator opened up into his apartment

I knew I wasn't hanging around the kind of people that would better my perspective on life so I cut all those folks off. or did they cut me off?

of affirmative action.

You really don't know how they got there money or the house or how much they have or how much the house cost them.

and we know what the identical house next door in their brand new development cost

do you know what color drawers they wear?

as soon as he sorts through that caviar in the trash
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and I would have taken that as an underhanded slap in the face if
I had people in my home who were like "wow this is way too much
house for you considering i'm your boss!" it's just not tactful or
respectful.

Now, if you have knowledge that they are benefitting from wealth
accumulated from slavery - I could understand that - but that's such
a small percentage of people that it seems like you'd just be off that
Azalea Banks and randomly calling out white people.

This isn't to say that you don't have a point: Plenty of whites have help from
family via generational wealth - but that goes for people across the board.
While at Howard Law, I had a rack of fellow students (black) who had plush
DC condos paid for by their families while they were in DC. I would never have
gone in their house and made a comment about it, even if I felt some type of
way about it (which I didn't).

Why was that necessary? Did you want to insult them in some way?




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to giving a charitable donation to someone who's accomplished less than you, but somehow has more.

Maybe you don't.

>to giving a charitable donation to someone who's accomplished
>less than you, but somehow has more.

Would you be more comfortable giving a donation to somebody who
has accomplished more?

I don't think that has to do with accomplishment - it's more that you were
expecting them to live in a certain type of house and they didn't, and it
clearly bothered you.

I understand the visceral response, but I don't understand the need to
call them out on it verbally when you're a guest in their home.


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B) we weren't guests in their home. They didn't invite us to dinner. We were there to give them shit.

was contingent on what kind of house they lived in. I would
assume you were giving them the stuff because they were friends
or people that you generally liked, but it seems that visiting them
in their house completely changed your perception of them.

If that's the case, perhaps you shouldn't have offered to give them
anything.


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My wife thought she had a need and offered it to her.

all you really know is they have a nicer house.

Not trying to count your money but you have 2 kids, pay a grip for daycare and I'm not sure if you pay top dollar for clothes but OKP loves to talk about how much they spend on fashion.

Maybe they threw all that income y'all are spending into their house?

Just sayin'..

and I agree with being upset for giving them shit when it looks like they don't need it.

two answers:

1) inbox
2) we actually live below our means and have a healthy savings rate and no student loan debt.

the money could have come from any number of sources, but it damn sure didn't come from salary and they haven't had time to make it another way.

obviously they aren't flaunting their wealth because your wife likes her.

I get it tho...

I woulda drove up to the house and drove off once I saw the crib grinning at me.

in every step along the way.

its weird as shit to me. Like you really time stamped their life and knew them since they were kids.

IMO they prolly carry themselves in a way you approve but the house fucked with your ego.

I'm real interested in what they paid for the house. LOL...

brought your wife.

>I woulda drove up to the house and drove off once I saw the crib grinning at me.

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i get salty too...at people who have it easy because they are supported by parents/family
its probably jealousy - i've had to work for damn near everything i have (and still have to)
and have family that would probably see me drown than extend a helping hand (yes, bitter as fuck over here)

so those fuckers get little love from me
and i have many friends like that
shit when im back home its like 90% of my friends - these fools dont have jobs and yet have more money than i do, wtf.

fuck 'em

last christmas a friend of mine bought an 18k rolex



shit

But I hope they admit it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZneQUf5eoq0/TgUJyqvHVOI/AAAAAAAAALg/AIdhX5PoYvQ/s1600/fight.png

if your kid's work supervisor stops by their house to drop off some hand-me-down gifts and in the process the supervisor throws shade about the opulence of your kid's house versus the supervisor's house in a manner that seems to question your kid's ability to afford the house, you hope they cow-tow and admit they got help from you? LOL

i'd want my kid to say something super shady in response like - 'Oh, it's all drug money' or 'Yeah, I only give my pimp 30%' or 'We run an illegal sweat shop in the basement'.

>if your kid's work supervisor stops by their house to drop off some hand-me-down gifts and in the process the supervisor throws shade about the opulence of your kid's house versus the supervisor's house in a manner that seems to question your kid's ability to afford the house, you hope they cow-tow and admit they got help from you?

"son, you better tell any and everyone your family business, especially if they are in your house and remarking on your home!"

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>if your kid's work supervisor stops by their house to drop
>off some hand-me-down gifts and in the process the supervisor
>throws shade about the opulence of your kid's house versus the
>supervisor's house in a manner that seems to question your
>kid's ability to afford the house, you hope they cow-tow and
>admit they got help from you? LOL
>
>i'd want my kid to say something super shady in response like
>- 'Oh, it's all drug money' or 'Yeah, I only give my pimp 30%'
>or 'We run an illegal sweat shop in the basement'.

I definitely wouldn't want my child to show any type of humility in that sitch whatsoever. But to each his own, this post helped get us all through the day so props for that.

Let my love slide in and never slip out

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i want my reply to please you.

If they got help from mommy or daddy. That's not anyone else's business and JF knows that. He wouldn't want his kids to admit shit

my wife made a slightly inappropriate comment, but she didn't ask a question. They didn't have to volunteer anything, but they chose to lie.

many ppl arent aggressive or rude enuff to say "ummm what u tryna say, its noneya business!" so they told (what u think/"know") is a lie

sowhat is right here, hopefully no one will try to do ur kids like that cause thats a bit rude/snarky

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pockets.

You know that's some shit white men made up to keep people from questioning income disparity, right?

in situations in which the parties are of the same race. It's a suggestion that you shouldn't waste your time with childish things.

>You know that's some shit white men made up to keep people
>from questioning income disparity, right?

i really really really believe that white people are taught financial literacy AS A WHOLE in wide numbers

i cannot prove this

but, it is something that I believe

sure, as a country we have fucked ourselves over countless times from being greedy or taking on things we cannot pay for

.....I realize that it is very tough just stating this, even while i am typing this I just know someone is going to come with a counter point thats just way off the mark. so, I will stop here.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/10356

either im going to come off as putting white people on a pedestal

or

putting black people down


cant win.


also, i love that sketch.

i mean, maybe you've worked w/them but maybe you haven't made friends w/any. so you actually believe fantasies about them.

but i dunno.

fuck it. no matter what I say you are going to come back with something.

b/c...you know, i've known enough white ppl over the yrs to be hip to that.

so when i read you saying you believe they ALL receive that education i figure it's b/c you don't actually know any white ppl. b/c if you did you'd know how preposterous that is.

i figure that feeling on your part is born of that 'grass is greener' thing we all experience throughout life as applied to a number of issues. but i don't give that feeling any credence b/c it flies in the face of my actual experience based on the white ppl i've known.

and we all know 'whole' doesn't mean 'all'. it means something less than 'all'. they're totally not the same.

maybe i misused the term or could have used a better term but i think you know what I was trying to get across

as a matter of fact the only reason why my response is getting traction is because I am not so great at communicating grand ideas and all related posts are about understanding what the fuck it is i just said instead of debating the gotdamn point.

you were expressing your frustration that so many white ppl seem to 'get it right' when it comes to money yet so many of us seem to 'get it wrong'. it's like...'damn! are they being taught something we're NOT taught???'

the answer is yes. some of them are taught and more importantly some of them listen and apply the lessons. i disagree w/the idea that they are any different from us when it comes to this issue though - but there are MORE OF THEM than us (we're only 13% of the population in this joint) and so much of what they do seems magnified i think. but there are plenty white ppl who are broke as shit - broker than us - and don't know shit about money. most of the social services you know of exist b/c WHITE PPL need that help. the gov't wouldn't create most of that shit if it were just for us. it's for THEM. they broke too. they poor too. they make awful decisions w/money too. and plenty of them come from nothing and never earn it and die broke and miserable and poor and disenfranchised. that is the reality of much of white america.

anyway, i get what this whole post is about, i think. it's all just venting about THEM having more than US. and i have little patience for it b/c i don't play the Keep Up With the Joneses game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONYuyY9FM2Q). i don't care what money some white ppl have or why. i don't care if they have more than i do. b/c i think caring about that shit would drive me mad. i fight enough 'forces' in my daily life that feel unmanageable and unconquerable. i don't need to take that one on too.

personally agreed

systematically things still need to be righted
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I think the bigger problem with our people is the desire to prove we hafe money by spending all of it.

i mean

from my pov i was never sat down and taught how to "work with" money or how to "handle" money outside of what you absolutely must NOT DO instead of what to do with regards to building. i mean, sure there was "Save your money" but then what?

I'm just happy to own a home and I plan on using it to pass some wealth down to my seed.

They're rapidly losing ground financially as well...

They just start off in a better off place to begin with.

Everyone in this country is mortgaged and borrowed up to the hilt.

its very hard to compress a complex idea into msg board format

we're not doing this here. y'all aren't gonna start this cosby "the problem with y'all niggas" nonsense.

financial literacy isn't even in the top hundred reasons for the wealth gap between whites and blacks. reasons 1 through about 127 have to do with 200 years of white families in america being able to do things financially that black families legally could not (buy homes, start businesses, open bank accounts, etc.). reasons 128 through 217 have to do with 200 years of black wealth and opportunity being scammed or literally stolen from us by legally-sanctioned, socially-accepted means. now add decades of compounding interest on top of all that.

financial literacy and "black people needing to show off their money" are each somewhere around reason 372 for the racial wealth gap in america.

>we're not doing this here. y'all aren't gonna start this
>cosby "the problem with y'all niggas" nonsense.

how did you gain that from my post?


>
>financial literacy isn't even in the top hundred reasons for
>the wealth gap between whites and blacks. reasons 1 through
>about 127 have to do with 200 years of white families in
>america being able to do things financially that black
>families legally could not (buy homes, start businesses, open
>bank accounts, etc.). reasons 128 through 217 have to do with
>200 years of black wealth and opportunity being scammed or
>literally stolen from us by legally-sanctioned,
>socially-accepted means. now add decades of compounding
>interest on top of all that.


lets just assume that this is also a layer, when i post stuff like what I posted its just assumed that Im speaking from this pov always.

this is why talking about this stuff on msg boards is difficult becuase you have place everything in a long and deep history and context before making your point.

just assume I'm not shitting on black people and I'm trying to figure this out as much as you.


>
>financial literacy and "black people needing to show off their
>money" are each somewhere around reason 372 for the racial
>wealth gap in america.


Where did you get me saying that the problem is black people showing off money?

you said that was another level to this (it's not). someone piggybacked on what you were saying to say that another level is that black people have "desire to prove we have money by spending all of it" (that is also not another level to this).

it's easy to be financially literate and responsible with money when the economy has, for 200 years, been set up specifically to funnel wealth and opportunity out of other people's pockets and into yours.

therefore, what you were saying and what the person who piggybacked on your point was saying are not another level to this issue, unless you want to count levels above 372. what i'm saying is levels 1 through 371.

>you said that was another level to this (it's not). someone
>piggybacked on what you were saying to say that another level
>is that black people have "desire to prove we have money by
>spending all of it" (that is also not another level to this).
>
>it's easy to be financially literate and responsible with
>money when the economy has, for 200 years, been set up
>specifically to funnel wealth and opportunity out of other
>people's pockets and into yours.
>
>therefore, what you were saying and what the person who
>piggybacked on your point was saying are not another level to
>this issue, unless you want to count levels above 372. what
>i'm saying is levels 1 through 371.


man look, I am on board with you more than you are realizing

and rather than have to go down the list point by point as to why or why not

i'll just say that the focus was to call out one part, one layer of it

you want to talk about the whole cake and I am talking about one layer and how I see it relating to the OP's general outlook.

again, this history lesson which you keep leaning on is of course an embedded foundation which informs the outlook

I would really trip, if they got the crib with sub 600 credit.

If they did receive help from their parents, then it would not surprise me nor would I feel a certain way about it because quite a few people have it to where they are able to receive financial help.

However, I think that it is possible for them to save their money and live within and/or below their means.

600K for a house is a lot of coin for a combined income of 120K, though. I guess learning this would raise suspicion with me as well, but I doubt it I would comment on it..then again, if I was cool enough with them, then maybe I would??

There are a lot of young white people at my job -- 24 to early 30s -- whose salaries are similar to mine. Yet where we lay our heads at night couldn't be more different. LOL

If they aren't walking to work from their homes in Midtown, they take quick subway rides from neighborhoods like Nolita, the West Village, and LES (oh yeah, and Williamsburg and Greenpoint) -- where, at 27 years old, they live alone.

It's just really weird to work, do happy hour, and even party with people who, despite earning the same as me (or even less), live in some of the most exclusive neighborhoods in the city. It would be one thing if it were just a few of them -- but when it's the majority, and they're my age or younger, it feels surreal.

I don't resent any of them for having wealth that far surpasses their accomplishments. I mean, coming from a middle class family, I too enjoy privileges that I didn't earn. But it does bother me that the circle of people handed trust funds and cushy jobs -- the class that gets to occupy the most comfortable corners of the world, not because of their income but because they were born -- is so gotdamn, everlastingly white.

>I don't resent any of them for having wealth that far
>surpasses their accomplishments. I mean, coming from a middle
>class family, I too enjoy privileges that I didn't earn. But
>it does bother me that the circle of people handed trust funds
>and cushy jobs -- the class that gets to occupy the most
>comfortable corners of the world, not because of their income
>but because they were born -- is so gotdamn, everlastingly
>white.
>

but had u made a slightly awkward joke about it or pondered it on here after thinking of it...you'd be all types of tacky and fucked up

people acting brand new acting like GW is some equal opportunity shit lol

that's getting the pushback.

he can carry his psychological burden over this shit all he wants. we all read Native Son and Black Boy. we get it. we wear the mask. all of that. sure.

but none of THESE PPL who have all this daddy money or trust funds or wedding gifts or whatever they have going on owe those of us who don't any explanation or 'honesty' about their money. their money is not our business until they make it such. and inviting us into their home is not making their money our business.

if their money fucks us up we should go lay on a couch and talk that shit out. otherwise, keep it moving.

period.

i've spent too much time around rich white ppl to act brand new about it. they have more money. they may not have 'earned it'. so the fuck what? whatever the 'what' is it doesn't mean they owe me shit. it doesn't mean i'm here to be their black friend/coworker who keeps them grounded.

wake me up when the guillotines are ready. otherwise i can't be bothered to sit and navel gaze and whine and cry that some ppl have more family money than me. as the fuck if.

like u said...we know all that shit...we all read those books...

u were the one mentioning that blacks benefit from GW like that means anything...

the simple fact is...stop being a pussy and if my harmless if albeit awkward comment makes you confront your privilege...do better yo

u don't have to...but be proud of your privilege and acknowledge with some sort of fucking fortitude

sing Big Sean "Blessed" if you want...then we can both have a hearty awkward laugh...

i mean, we should also avoid awkward comments like that i guess but c'mon...it's really not a big deal to ask folks to not be such a pussy sometimes

>u were the one mentioning that blacks benefit from GW like
>that means anything...

It was intended to counter the suggestion that GW is exclusively a white phenomenon. It ain't. It also ain't somn all white ppl can access. Both ideas were bandied about earlier.

What I think is really going here is simple venting and pouting about the reality that no matter how hard we work and stack paper there will always be someone who has more __ bc they come from money and we don't. That makes some of us feel down sometimes. When we feel down we may act out - we may say rude, tacky things. I understand that. I've done that. This discussion in this post is about kindred spirits giving each other support - bc we all know how it feels to navigate in a world where some ppl have more money - our peers even. Especially if we are attracted to material things and stacking paper and keeping our eye on our status versus that of others this reality can wreak some havoc on our psyche.

I personally dealt with this when I was much younger. To the point where I have little patience for it now within myself. I love a good pity party but I won't host one bc my coworker has a nicer living space though we make the same money. I have been there and done that. I think some here are still working through it.

>the simple fact is...stop being a pussy and if my harmless if
>albeit awkward comment makes you confront your privilege...do
>better yo

Lol. They don't give a shit, most likely.

>u don't have to...but be proud of your privilege and
>acknowledge with some sort of fucking fortitude

Ok. Lol

>sing Big Sean "Blessed" if you want...then we can both have a
>hearty awkward laugh...

Uh huh.

>i mean, we should also avoid awkward comments like that i
>guess but c'mon...it's really not a big deal to ask folks to
>not be such a pussy sometimes

Sure.

but i think most of us are taking the initial shock comment way further than it should...just like they did

the comment wasn't meant to make dem yts reflect...it was just a comment of shock...in this case...that shock isn't even offensive...socially awkward sure...but it in no way communicates the same insecurities that we are trying to lay on that shit

the reaction of bullshitting isn't that big a deal either and can be taken as just another socially awkward moment but it's not...it's yet another moment when yt bullshits about privilege...it's also a normal reaction but it's one most of us in here are trying to get people to resist...

acknowledging privilege doesn't have to involve guilt and it has little to nothing to do with jealousy or envy or keeping up with the joneses

Perhaps the help that this couple received occurred years before in having their education paid for in full or being gifted their first car which transformed into savings that allowed them to buy a house later on. Was this the moment for them to atone for that? If we're asking people to stop being "puss*es," who is the bigger one in this situation? The person who comes to a message board to recount a situation in which his spouse projected her insecurities onto an acquaintance or the person who, when confronted with a passive aggressive comment, responds. If they had accosted these two about their unearned wealth directly, I may be willing to buy your argument. Otherwise, you are not in the position to call anyone out.

are projecting when you immediately draw a comparison to yourself upon seeing someone's house rather than just saying the house is nice or not saying anything at all. We've all done it, and no one is above this type of behavior, but let's be honest about the sentiment behind it.

that's what it sounds like.

If we were having a convo about working from the bottom then yeah... it would be nice if you admitted it or didn't hit me with the bootstraps.

but under these circumstances.. nah, cause it would be used against me

to make it like us...

then you hit them with the, "You have a benz because your dad died"

with your insistence that these white folk have more because they're better with money line you've been riding

>with your insistence that these white folk have more because they're better with money line you've been riding

Might need to tap out at this point because your emotions are impairing your reading comp.

I said that this couple might have saved money in the manner in which they did irrespective of whether they received help. Stick to the words I type from now on.

is posting about it on a message board now. Someone made an inappropriate/awkward comment and they responded how they wanted to. If they are okay with how they responded, why should they behave differently for you? (or John Forte in this case)

Even if they were uncomfortable, are they still bothered by it days later?

they felt sorry for y'all? I'm not sure based on your telling of the story.

that's how i woulda felt if i was them. i wouldn't have given an explanation though. I woulda just said thanks and made them feel more awkward, or say nothing and let that comment hang as i smile at my 2nd family room.

its a very odd intersection here in NY

i think people are confusing the societal with the personal

'Brad' nor 'Jenna' owe me shit

the institution that supported them on the other hand i would love to continue to see the wrongs righted

i don't appreciate them being oblivious to the state of the rest of the country
but i'm not going to hate them or resent them personally...

at the same time Mrs Leguizamo leave the vendors in Wash Sq alone!
i don't care that you don't want your kids exposed to so much junk food right outside their door

and leave the ice cream man and his siren call to ice cream alone too!
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>at the same time Mrs Leguizamo leave the vendors in Wash Sq
>alone!
>i don't care that you don't want your kids exposed to so much
>junk food right outside their door
>
>and leave the ice cream man and his siren call to ice cream
>alone too!

http://gothamist.com/2013/12/01/hot_dog_vendors_banned_from_washing.php



http://gawker.com/5341401/park-slope-mom-who-wants-to-ban-predatory-ice-cream-trucks-is-a-fried-pudding-pusher


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given the circumstances.

damn sure wouldn't have said "thank you" because it didn't feel like a compliment.

niggas be real mad when confronted with that shit even underhanded

the comment was at worst impolite

niggas in here calling it intrusive, prying, and all types of other shit bc you want yt to be more mindful of their privilege...

cause THAT's what takes the awkwardness out of it...not having the conversation in the car...having the conversation like adults so that it not longer even needs to be a noteworthy conversation

Because they didn't. It probably went something like this, "Aww, bless her heart. They don't know how to manage their money."

They didn't confront them about their wealth, just made an offhand comment that didn't connect and said more about the person who made it than them.

they don't conduct themselves by the same standard as the OP so of course whatever "shaming" was attempted wasn't going to phase them in the least.

so they were giving their little "we saved money" speech while SAVING MONEY.

shit got him heated. I can't front, I woulda been heated too. How the fuck we giving shit away for free to white folk?

White folk ever gave them anything for free? Nope.

>so they were giving their little "we saved money" speech while SAVING MONEY.

she needed a place to stay in NC before going back to grad school. Claimed she was broke as shit but would hit us off when she got her stipend.

This girl was walking around with toes out eating and drinking better than we were. I told my wife this white girl gotta go. Wife talks to her and she breaks down crying while saying she didn't want to tap into her savings. SAVINGS? Oh fuck no...

Then she tells us she has "good friends" in Greensboro but they are going to charge her for room, storage and parking.

As mad as my wife was I had to remind her SHE was really mad at herself for doing too much for someone who didn't need it.

they did not acquire their wealth through better financial management. White folk done really done a number on y'all dumb niggas. "iff'n Mista Charlie got it, he must have earned"

We know that their lifestyle is way out of sync with their income and we know what their income has been for the duration of their very short careers. You assume that the white man must just be better with money.

you're better off living your own life and not worrying about what Massa Cholly got versus what you got. Bc Massa gon' always have more than you until the revolution comes. You is free - free to not worry about Massa and what he got and free to focus on getting more for you and yours without regard for what he got over there. It's up to you, soldier.

u rite

so i don't let it. LOL.

of ways. I'm not saying that they are better with their money, but you don't really know how they received it or when nor does it really matter. How would you know that all of their money came strictly from their careers? You don't have the foggiest of how much they have or where it came from. All you can do is speculate as to their salaries, but people come to money in myriad ways. Regardless, saving could have been the immediate cause to support their ability to purchase their house and they're not even thinking about that wad of cash that granddaddy left or the fact that they never paid for school, cars, etc., so that's what she pulled out that response. Your insults are misplaced.

the point is...

it's not that fucked up a comment...

it's CLEAR they didn't reflect...

this isn't the suggested catalyst...goddamn...it's just a normal fucking reaction and if that reflection had already fucking happened...it wouldn't even be remotely noteworthy to either party

how do yall not get this...

neither of them did anything particularly wrong...some social interactions are supposed to be awkward...this one can still be broached without the awkwardness getting further fueled by the best fossil fuel known as bullshit

its really classist and racist

yes we minorities are also racist
but our views rarely affect policy so on an institutional level
meh
but on a coworker/friend/...underling level
we may not need to be friends until you work on that a bit more

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you admitted you wouldn't have done it if you would have known.

The real issue is you needed them to be who they weren't and it has you fucked up.

..but that isn't their fault. It's yours.

and I don't need to feel uncomfortable in MY OWN HOME because you thought we were beneath you.

This whole thread is on some "how dare they live in that house" when we are giving them our shit for free.

>This whole thread is on some "how dare they live in that house" when we are giving them our shit for free.

It really sounds like some egos got g-checked
They were going to perform an "act of kindness"
something that would also feel good about helping someone less fortunate WHO NEVER ASKED FOR THEIR HELP
only to get hit in the face with reality when it comes out that they didn't need this "help" THAT THEY NEVER ASKED FOR. OP was clearly a non-mfkn-factor before this and after this.
The motivation to perform that act may have indeed been kindness but an ego stroke definitely fueled that action and now that same ego needs soothing, hence dragging in "the bigger picture": wealth disparity, WPS etc as a Band-Aid.

Kinda like in relationships how people will overextend themselves needlessly and without ever being asked only to throw it in people's face what they've done for them when shit hits the fan.

You know I got love for you John_Forte but I gotta call this how I see it. The reaction you and your wife had afterwards says way more about y'all than it does about the couple you were attempting to "help".

with that bullshit lie. They weren't my first exposure to white folk receiving parental help and they won't be my last.

I grew up with and work with plenty of the same type of people
I had to accept that my resentment at growing up broke doesn't affect them. At. All.
you prolly gave them a good chuckle when you left because now they know how vexed y'all truly were.
If you really stopped trying to keep up with the Joneses, it wouldn't have come to that in the first place. That really should have been a private convo between you and your wife.

The specifics are different bc i'm black and it'll be a white person that's 'feeling some kind of way'.

>you prolly gave them a good chuckle when you left because now they know how vexed y'all truly were.

but I think it's foul to count these peoples money and "know" they are lying because they are living in a nicer house.

The house in on the market for 600K but that doesn't mean it's worth 600K or that this couple paid top dollar.

Hell, if I'm in their home GIVING them my shit for FREE... I'm prolly going to think these fucks flip the game on us?

Cause real talk... these white people aint too proud for free shit from MINORITIES!!!

Fucking reverse welfare up in this bitch. JF and his wife got played.

NO-BOD-EE
That part is 100% on them
I truly think the only reason that JF is sporting that egg on his face right now is because they weren't donating those items from a place of total unconditional kindness and now us breaking down the situation for what it really was is the result.

other donations are need-based

so I get the frustration.

i knew everything about their finances beforehand. And nothing to do about it at that point though.

I wouldn't take shit from you knowing that your gifts come with stipulations
namely your judgement and I didn't ask for either.
I hope you learned a lesson in humility from this experience because as much as you want us to shit on them, you aren't anywhere near humble yourself.

sometimes a nigga gotta take his lumps

like right now
i NEED to rub John_Forte's ego in his face like a puppy because it makes me feel good about my own humility
see what i did there? lmao

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They ain't ask for the gift.

yall are just as full as shit as them

help.

If they asked, this post woulda been different.

that was one of the first points that was established
there's a reason I kept bringing it up

so snark on

the larger point still stands

anything else in this post you wanna change now that you've been refreshed on the actual facts?

help them out financially, like it reflects poorly on them that they are able to enjoy the spoils of wealth without having to bust their ass for it.

why not just leave well enough alone?

It became obvious that they were skirting the truth of the matter with some bullshit thought that must have popped into their head at the very last second since they are not usually 'confronted' in that way... who is the bigger dick, them for lying or yall for putting them in the situation where they felt the need to?

idc. idc. idc.

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and that's fine...just own your drake moments

while screaming NO NEW FRIENDS.

HOW DARE YOU

AFFIRMATIVE!!! LOL

your bassinet then?"

Maaaaad awkward.

Sarah have Esperanza fix them some doggie bags

>Sarah have Esperanza fix them some doggie bags

.

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

on one hand i can agree with some stuff said by the "shit was petty" crowd but they are missing the forest through the trees.

i dunno if it's a race thing because i saw indian kids and asian kids and even a few black kids do the same shit but yeah coming up there was a lot of "i'm so strapped, i have to work a double waiting tables, i'm really tight" from people who clearly got help and could ask for more when they wanted it. i found it kind of annoying. i also didnt understand their pride in the struggle. my parents werent rich (like not even close to close) but they did help me and i was proud that they made sacrifices, i tried to make it worth it. i also made good money hustling, never had a 9 to 5, i was proud of that and spent my money pretty liberally. i don't get these people that have to seem modest.

The ones who always complain about cats in their 20s and 30s these days struggling to hit various milestones in life and finances

The ones who complain about young people being lazy or whatever

A lot of them had a lot more help or opportunities than they admit