The beat we've all heard before, but it's her voice that I like about it, full of personality. She really is committing to this Bajan Mae West thing and she's good at it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/26/rihanna-bitch-better-have-my-money_n_6943322.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment

"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

but I do believe her when she says she got somebody wife in her car seat. It's still interesting and rebellious to me.

i like it though.

voice, that wild-eyed braggadoccio.

I wonder though who gets first look at some of these songs. Was "Dark Horse" offered to Katy Perry first, or did someone pass on it?

and other times its like you said somebody passes it up and it winds up onn someone else's album

Def Jam invites a bunch of different producers & writers to LA to make records for her, she chooses what she likes and re-records them. I assume the Kanye records are a little different tho.

kanye is a producer so he's the guy getting people together to make songs with him i believe.
i doubt people submit songs to him. maybe verses or hooks even beats but you can tell he's the driving force behind the ideas that become the final product of the song.

Ri Ri is at the top of the list to get these Ratchet songs


After her they got to the B list.... Miley,
K michelle Keisha Cole... etc

>Ri Ri is at the top of the list to get these Ratchet songs
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>After her they got to the B list.... Miley,
>K michelle Keisha Cole... etc


Miley? B-List?


lol...nah...

Fuck your fort!

I just don't believe her, it sounds forced.

the fact remains she can't sing and really the key is the production which covers her limited range, yet her stuff is catchy and it works.

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whose *new* music I look forward to I hearing when it debuts...

it's just a'ight.

That year and some change she took off could hurt her... in THIS space anyway

Beyonce & Nicki have moved into her lane something tough when it comes to these kinda club songs... it's crowded

I liked the direction Four Five Seconds was going so we'll see what else is in the chamber

enough ppl dig Rihanna enough that this song could hit w/o regard for who was doing what a few months ago.

all Rihanna has to do is come w/something hot enough and the ppl will flock to it. there's not really such a thing as 'lanes being crowded' or whatever. it doesn't work that way.

more about certain artists losing their touch in a lane.

Best example is 2 Chainz...feels like he hasn't made a hit, or series of hits, in years. Or how Rae Sremmurd is basically an updated Travis Porter, while Travis can't make a hit to save their life in that lane.

I almost said Future...before Commas, he didn't have a banger for a while, but a LOT of ATL rappers used his style in that time.

Rihanna lost her touch on that side. With other artists, I don't think the lane was necessarily stolen/hijacked as much as them just not making songs as good as they did before.

Show me how to post. What should I have said there?

>Show me how to post. What should I have said there?

Predicted response: "ok."

Rihanna will be fine.. in the end.. she is pretty damn versatile..

But Rihanna had a clear path with the last album.. where records like Pour It Up, Cockiness, Cake ruled the land..

Those are never her biggest records though

Like I said above..

Difference is... there is a finite amount of writers who make these "hits" in this space..

The hits go to whose on top.. and if you've taken some time off your hits went to someone else..

I didn't know if it was Beyonce's own team giving her Rihanna-esque songs like "Bow down" or if it was actually Riahnna's team.

these type songs...

Peep credits.. It's usually The Dream.. Rock City... Ty Dolla sign is creeping his way in..

So nah not just a single team but these cats are always working on THESE songs.. for every 25 written there is 1 SMASH.. and if there are 3 artists competing for them.. it's going to the biggest one (at the time)

It's wild how Ty is in there now. He actually doesn't even like making a lot of the music he makes, but he knows it works and he's great at it

LA has been important to this.. Like how ATL used to be during Lil John era..

Cuz there are so many cats out here working.. It is incredibly easy to organize writing camps..

This is how everything that isnt (non radio) EDM or certain types of Hip Hop works though..

I was like, damn, never saw that one coming.


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Beyonce did sound A LOT like Rihanna on her last self titled album. I just couldn't put my finger on it. Her sound was harder- and so was her image compared to her last somewhat subtle albums. Jay-Z also influenced her and hardened her sound.
Also, a lot of R&B artists are taking up the same lane turning to trap music. This is (sadly) the new direction and state of R&B. IMO.

his delivery is no longer clever, catchy or effortless.

I think Chainz just went for it...

like dude was mid thirties when he got the ball... He did 100 guest verses in a year..

that's more than peoples who careers..

not to mention is Talk Dirty w/ Jason Derulo was number 1 in multiple countries and #3 here last year (and 4X platinum)... The only rapper on a bigger record was Juicy J..

A hit is a hit...

I agree...

But the lane exists because everyone uses the same producers and writers...

so yes Rock City could write Rihanna a hit.. but what if they already gave it to Bey.. Or Nicki..

It's not like Rihanna is writing songs on guitar on the island and reemerging.. she relies on the same cast of characters

Hi Five

they're not in anyone's lane.

Hard to geeetttt

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Yep. I have no idea what that was supposed to be.

I likes.

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do you like the song or nah? sheesh
niggas discussing demographics and metrics in a thread about a new damn song.

Only speaking for myself.. but I am not here to be a pure fan really.. I been in this industry almost 10 yrs..

The whole point of okp (for me) is to dissect some shit or dig deeper than just surface answers..

But... Yea I think the song is solid.. We'll see when I drop it this weekend what it do

but that blurred lines post proved its a lot of crazy music weirdos here

>but that blurred lines post proved its a lot of crazy music
>weirdos here


Man...cut this silly shit out dog...lol

U comparing people breaking down a Turnt up, just add water, party record by Rihanna to people breaking down the LEGAL ramifications of a ruling that was being broken down by everyone from Time Magazine to Billboard...? Like for real?

Those two subjects have nothing to do with one another...


U sounded like a trollin', wink-wink Contrarian in that thread and u sound like one now....

But I DO want everyone to say whether they like it or not, and after that, whether they think it will make noise or be popular.

Most people that come to THIS site do....

if thats the desired result you got her done
lol

I'd prefer it if every radio station in the country accidentally loaded AMG's original into their programming feeds.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

>I'd prefer it if every radio station in the country
>accidentally loaded AMG's original into their programming
>feeds.
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>"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Sounds like it will go well with the Beyoncé song
I wouldn't be able to tell the difference audibly frankly
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but this one will go over really well, especially at one o clock in some club when everyone got a buzz on.

I hope she doesn't have a whole album of this stuff though.

Give the missus a hug!
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lol

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Plus it's by Rihanna, so it'll have the right marketing push and repeated plays to "grow"
on people and have others liking it just to feel part of the "cool" crowd.

Stuff like this is just an exercise in yelling the right catch phrases the right way, imo.
I have no problem with catch phrases being used to push or sell a record. It's been
done for probably a 100 yrs at this point, but...
There's just no redeeming value in the song for me to play it again. Even the melody is wack.
Dem catch phrases tho + dem repeated plays + dem sheep = success
Not even hating on the formula. If it works for you and ppl fall for it, if there is a "problem",
it's with the people who fall for it. More power to you.

Sounded a bit squeezed and thin on my monitors.
I like to hear the dynamics in these type of songs.
Cause lets face it, the producers/engineers are doing most of the heavy lifting.

It could be a hit but she's had better in this same vein.

I'm starting to understand how to put these type of tracks together now. Makes me wanna try my hands on it now. The first generation of trap /drill was too amateur but ths newer layered stuff is sonically interesting to me especially as a pop track.

wounder how it would sound in a full set up, hadn't thought of that.