>Yes because you are going down a well trodden path which only
>serves to derail


That's false.
You may have seen people bring women into this discussion to derail it.
That's not why I brought it up.

We all have a responsibility. That's all it's about.

It's not about denying the responsibility of men.
I do think it's delusional to ignore the immediate role many women can play in dismantling
this particular stigma, especially considering the number of boys and girls who are currently
being raised by single women.

Men need to be stay around, men need to stop being phobes, etc etc. The previous
statement doesn't diminish any of that.