>With race, we aren't talking about biological factors.
>With gender we are, so it's difficult to draw the line.

Gender is socialized period

>Some women are turned on by men who exhibit these
>characteristics.
>Do we blame patriarchy or her biology?
>I know many women like masculinity because of their biology,
>but it's difficult to draw the line on where her determination
>of what constitutes masculinity
>is stemming from.
>What turns you on or moves you isn't always (I'd be willing to
>say it usually isn't) determined
>by culture... which may cause you to fight it, but it doesn't
>change it.
>
>So the comparison to racial discussions doesn't hold up here,
>and only serves
>to shut down the conversation, in this particular instance.


Yes because you are going down a well trodden path which only serves to derail

>If we were talking about how ppl are sexist without realizing
>it just like they can be
>racist without realizing it, that would be a point of
>intersectionality. We just happen
>to be a point that doesn't intersect.


Wrong


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