women should be..... or act like...
and if they don't its problematic
it is misogynism/chauvinism to reduce women into caricatures
which often just means exerting a level of control over them that reduces them to children
y'all can call them gender roles if you want
this shit is exists because men benefit (or used to) from controlling women folk
(or rather as someone once told me... control reproduction)

but this is one thing i wonder
why then such men have a problem with dykes
is it because they challenge the whole notion of masculine being an ideal that belongs to a particular sex
or that its natural
or because they challenge the level of control a 'man' could/should have over how a woman identifies?

>and we hate women so we think men debase themselves where they
>behave like women.

>but that's all getting too deep, maybe.

no its not. its a logical conclusion