talking abt what Tupac meant to their career as rappers ...


>> Pac was the BEST WRITER
>>ever in HipHop...
>>
>^^^Laughable.

Eh take that up w/Em whose word I would take over yours since he is a great MC...
>
>And actually speaking of writing, how many asshole inferior
>MC's since BIG have claimed to not write at all directly due
>to BIG?

The key word is "inferior"

There have other GREAT MCs who have spoken in depth abt Pac's influence on them...Rass Kass has said that "all of us have borrowed something from Pac" but I guess he's an inferior MC...
>
>Does that have anything to do with BIG's ability or catalog?

Not at all because NOT writing down your lyrics isn't exactly a good thing for MCs to mimick but having several MCs admit that Tupac was a big influence on their career matters when we measure the influence of said MC


>Keep bringing up irrelevant shit away from their actual
>respective musical abilities tho.

It's irrelevant because you can't follow along. And if you think comparing a Billie Holiday to Tupac in terms of both of their huge impact on their respective artforms despite neither being the most technically sound demonstrates that there are qualities that an artist can hair that transcends being technically sound...
>
>>So while you choose to focus on quotables/flow. I put more
>>emphasis on content and emoting your feelings on record
>which
>>no one did better than Tupac..
>>
>>This is what you don't seem to understand when it comes to
>art
>>and how ppl relate to that art: there are times when
>techniCal
>>aspects of an artform are superseded by sheer emotion and an
>>artist's ability to connect w/their listener...case and
>point:
>>Billie Holiday who wasn't by any means the most gifted
>singer
>>*technically* speaking, certainly not in the same category
>of
>>technical fluency when it comes to Jazz singers like Sarah
>>Vaughn, Ella Fitzerald, or Dinah Washington...but despite
>>Billie Holiday's limitations as a vocalist, she was still
>the
>>most influencial Jazz singer ever because she was able to
>>convey an emotional quality that transcended those technical
>>limitations...
>>
>LOL, this dude is compare Pac's echo-chamber stacked vocals,
>simple rhyme schemes & exagerrated inflection at the end of
>words with Billie Holiday's vocal stylings.

Yes, idiot, because it was often pointed out by many Jazz writers/critics during her day that she lacked range which was only ONE octave and not having a powerful delivery, ...but her central quality was "feeling" and and having an ear for intonation and her ability to stylized a song to fit her distinct vocals
>
>Pacistani, Please.

Obvious you know nothing abt Billie Holiday...because comparing her to Tupac is apro pros for this topic


>>If you don't place much importance on the gifts that Tupac
>>brought to the table as an MC, then it makes sense why
>you're
>>putting a premium on things like "rhyme styles" and
>>"quotables"
>>
>I place just the right amount of importance on Pac as an MC.

No you don't...

>I say he was a gifted rapper who could embue tracks with
>emotion to overcome his repetitive ways stylistically.
>
>He recorded a lot of good songs (lots of shitty ones too but
>oh well, he was in the studio knocking out 5/6 daily at
>points).
>
>I have no issue with Pac, I'm just not a casual fan or a dude
>hung up on the extracurriculars.
>
>He wasn't as good a rapper or rap artist as Biggie Smalls.

And yet Pac is considered the greater artist of the two - Even Biggie's own mom said "my son much of son's music was filth"...he didn't rap abt any real world problems or on any social topic - There's absolutely no way Biggie could've made "white man's world" or "blasphemy" or a song abt political prisoners...
>
>That's no major disgrace, you could say that about all but
>four or five guys all-time despite the abbreviated catalog.
>
>>I guess Dougie Fresh isn't one of the all-time greatest MCs
>>since he has even less quotables and flows than Pac...
>>
>>
>>>>Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's
>>>>album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've
>ever
>>>>made a 'Makeveli'
>>>>
>>>Pac had about ten chances to make an album that held up and
>>>told a story from start to finish like Ready To Die but he
>>was
>>>not even close to being able to do so.
>>
>>Please - I'll say it again: it would've been far easier for
>>Pac to make a 'Ready To Die' than it would for Biggie to
>make
>>a 'Makaveli'...and Makaveli>>>>>>Ready to Die
>>
>You could say it three times, it still won't make a damn lick
>of sense to anyone but you and the Pacistani Crew.

obviously not to you...

>>>
>>>>He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what
>records
>>>to
>>>>make that *women* buy
>>>>
>>>sure, lil buddy.

Smh
>>
>>>
>>>Even when Big makes ladies' joints, which he did more
>>>successfully by his first album than 2Pac had done up to
>>that
>>>point.....it was Pac's spiritual guiding light showing him
>>how
>>>to talk to girls.
>>>
>>>You want credit for Ja-Rule & Lil Zane as part of why Pac's
>>a
>>>better rapper than Big?
>>
>>No, Sherlock, how abt Nas, Em, Dmx, 50...to name a few...
>
>>>>Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and
>>>>especially Big)
>>>>
>>>tell the truth, did you really make yourself laugh out loud
>>
>>Yeah a little becuse I can't believe half the bs you're in
>>here saying
>>
>^^^Damn, Pac was always a lot better at returning fire than
>this.
>