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12762756, RE: ^And not even close - I would much rather listen to Pac's catalog than
Posted by vee-lover, Wed Mar-25-15 03:07 PM

>You just choose content because actually discussing lyrics,
>flow, variety of rhyme styles, quotables, verses wouldn't be a
>contest.

No because for all of those qualities you say Biggie possessed as a pm MC, he didn't have a bigger impact on other MCs lyrically and so on. You could readily identify MCs Pac influenced whether it withe their rhymes cadence or the subject matter or their vulnerability...there are tons more MCs I've heard say they were influenced by Tupac...from Big himself to Nas to Em who actually said Pac was the BEST WRITER ever in HipHop...

So while you choose to focus on quotables/flow. I put more emphasis on content and emoting your feelings on record which no one did better than Tupac..

This is what you don't seem to understand when it comes to art and how ppl relate to that art: there are times when techniCal aspects of an artform are superseded by sheer emotion and an artist's ability to connect w/their listener...case and point: Billie Holiday who wasn't by any means the most gifted singer *technically* speaking, certainly not in the same category of technical fluency when it comes to Jazz singers like Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzerald, or Dinah Washington...but despite Billie Holiday's limitations as a vocalist, she was still the most influencial Jazz singer ever because she was able to convey an emotional quality that transcended those technical limitations...

And this applies to Tupac as well - there's a host of rappers who maybe had a better flow or used better metaphors and couplets in their rhymes than he did but they still weren't able to have the same impact or influence on the culture or on their listeners the way he did - I've yet to see ANY MC have the same impact, before or since his death, and it's been almost 20 yrs since he died.

If you don't place much importance on the gifts that Tupac brought to the table as an MC, then it makes sense why you're putting a premium on things like "rhyme styles" and "quotables"

I guess Dougie Fresh isn't one of the all-time greatest MCs since he has even less quotables and flows than Pac...


>>Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's
>>album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've ever
>>made a 'Makeveli'
>>
>Pac had about ten chances to make an album that held up and
>told a story from start to finish like Ready To Die but he was
>not even close to being able to do so.

Please - I'll say it again: it would've been far easier for Pac to make a 'Rwady To Die' than it would for Biggie to make a 'Makaveli'...and Makaveli>>>>>>Ready to Die

>
>I guess closest he came mighta been Me Against The World.
>
>And he couldn't do Life After Death either, he had the entire
>Death Row camp (at their creative/commercial zeitgeist)
>literally gift him with their best material available upon
>coming home while he had production done by everyone from Quik
>to Dre to Dazz & Pooh yet put out an album where the second
>disc was two joints away from a full-fledged coaster.

K
>
>>He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what records
>to
>>make that *women* buy
>>
>sure, lil buddy.


>
>Even when Big makes ladies' joints, which he did more
>successfully by his first album than 2Pac had done up to that
>point.....it was Pac's spiritual guiding light showing him how
>to talk to girls.
>
>>Also, there is NO rapper whose influence is easily
>recognized
>>more than Tupac - especially in the mid to late 90s
>>
>It's pretty eazeeeey, to recognize another rhyme about
>henesseeeey and enemeeey.
>
>You want credit for Ja-Rule & Lil Zane as part of why Pac's a
>better rapper than Big?

No, Sherlock, how abt Nas, Em, Dmx, 50...to name a few...all have admitted they were huge fans of Pac and were influenced by him in way or another
>
>>Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and
>>especially Big)
>>
>tell the truth, did you really make yourself laugh out loud

Yeah a little becuse I can't believe half the bs you're in here saying