Tupac's stature seems to continue to rise with Time but it doesn't feel like the same is happening with Biggie.

I mean do the youngin's go crazy in the club when a biggie track comes on like the old heads do? Last party I heard a biggie set I was the youngest dude in there? :(


If I am not wrong it could be contributed to a couple of factors (Jay-Z's rise in that lane and New York hip-hop generally falling off in influence) but I think the one factor people won't want to admit is that Tupac had a political/social commentary component that is somewhat timeless and endures.

Pac is getting made over into the next iteration of the Panthers and people are kind of ignoring the Makaveli ride on our enemies Pac.

Biggie doesn't really have that (even though they tried to force it in the movie 'Sky is the limit...').

ionknow. Just thinking out loud.


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Nobody knows what day Pac died on tho

he's the reason we know the day Big got killed...



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stopped celebrating 9/13 too
now I just celebrate 5/21 and 6/16 respectively. I'd much rather celebrate their short lives than their long legacy after death.

the way pac did...

one of the reasons why people are still talking about pac is that there was so much more to talk about...

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

I can't put any MC in the GOAT conversation without at least 4 albums.

I do believe he had the talent & charisma to be one of the best, no question. He just was never able to realize it.

Maybe to east coast cats but most people in other regions been saying that. Pac > Biggie has always been the case outside the east coast

Biggie ain't the GOAT...lacks the full body of work...two albums isn't enough...never really got to see growth...

and ppl looked at me like i shitted in the middle of a room when i 1st started saying it. over the last few years though, ive seen it said more and more.

all they know is "Thug Life", wildin out for the cameras, bussin shots at plain clothes cops, and his radio singles.

They don't know Pac. They know a caricature of Pac, but they don't really know shit about him.

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can love it because of the political implications and what not. Low Brow and the Masses can love it because of the thug life ish.

Kinda like how Muhammad Ali can reach that legendary status.

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IME a lot them forget the ride or die, cash, money, hoes Pac.

especially when the fans are in their 20's.


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the straddling Pac did between extremes allowed for more of a "pic the pac you liked". more of a gray area if you will

as opposed to biggie on that "grind at all costs so you can ball"

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True fans will be fans, but non-fans aren't going to jump on the bandwagon of a man that doesn't have ONE positive verse. And sorry fans, "I sold crack, but made it out of the hood" ISN'T positive.

Which makes your point as it is one of his more positive songs.


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that one partial verse undoes Brenda & her baby...


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But I don't think that's how history work. We tend to forget and dismiss all the negative stuff and just keep the positive stuff.


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robbing pregnant women, sexing prepubescent girls, and whatnot tho

plus, as is inferred by what you said, at least there's *something* to balance it out

(I want to say it was either one of those two)

It was said that even outside of the studio, all Biggie would talk about is blunts and the block. Tupac would talk about everything under the sun from Egyptology to current politics to Shakespeare. I would venture to say that is reflected in their legacies, Pac's is more extensive because he was more well-rounded of a person or at least did a much better job of portraying himself as such.

that made you proud to be Black.

>"I sold crack, but made it out of the hood"

Biggie just didn't have his business acumen, even if he remained alive I don't think he would have achieved anywhere near the amount of Jay's financial success.

they had somewhat similar styles, backgrounds, and subject matter... and jay was able to stretch out a pretty impressive body of work with just that same basic msg in his music about dealin, hustling, and getting out the hood

>Biggie just didn't have his business acumen, even if he
>remained alive I don't think he would have achieved anywhere
>near the amount of Jay's financial success.

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no longevity for biggie

that Biggie had.

But Biggie got killed, so.....




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...and only ever get asked for "California Love." But yeah, "Party and Bullshit," "Dead Wrong," "Mo Money Mo Problems," "Big Poppa," "Hypnotize," and of course "Juicy" always get asked for.

.

Surprisingly, a lot of L.A. people ride for Biggie, a few even liked him more than Pac. I notice that the 35-45 folks who were more "bougie" were Biggie fans because of the One more chance type songs. And they LOVE Get money more than any Pac song in the club.

Unless it's through your headphones
No one is rocking tupac at a party like that

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Folks got me in here thinkin' I live in a bubble. I will say, I forgot "How Do You Want It?" is another jam that still hit's in the spot.

and think that's how it is all over the country/world

when its time to dance with a woman to hip hop Biggie will gets 8 or 9 songs when the DJ does an old school set.

Pac has 2 songs and damn near anything else will turn a dance floor into a sausage fest.

Thing is, "California love" smashes ALL Biggie songs with a mixed/White crowd anywhere. "I get around" is classic, and definitely goes hard for most age groups.

I would agree that "Toss it up" is more Regional, same as "Can't c me"...but "How do you want it" gets more love outside CA than it does inside of it. "2 of Amerika's most wanted" seems to go hard everywhere. "Ambitionz of a ridah" works great with 30+ Down South crowds when it's a Regional/West Coast set...they played it much more than we do here at clubs.

And "All about u" still goes, CA and the South. On some early/late vibe, "Do 4 love" and "R u still down" still go.

Biggie had more anthems in the vein of what Jay has, but even then, neither of them really had like "ass shakers" like that.

so immediately after Big's death everything was pretty much released and there was no room for new hype... with Pac he had what 4 or 5 albums of truly new stuff that was released allowing a lot of new fans to catch on...


just my humble theory.

being much to Biggie's story outside of his feud w/Pac

A NY rapper who was slangin crack rock before he got put on at a time when the NY rap scene was taking a backseat to the LA gangsta rap music pretty much sums up his story...and that pretty much represents the story of 90% of rappers from NY and elsewhere

He was a humorous and dope lyricist but there was much to be desired in his content

I always said Biggie was the Joe Frazier to Tupac's Ali

Pac didn't need the clash w/Biggie/east coast rappers to become the icon he became...but if Biggie's legacy wasn't so connected to Pac's I seriously doubt he would be lionized as rap/pop culture icon as he now is posthumously...

And celebs legacies are elevated in death which is the case w/Biggie

Whereas w/Pac, there's a lot that's made him the interesting person and the cultural icon he is besides being a great rap artist

-you have his connection to the Panthers via family ties
-a lot of his music was uplifting to many *non-HipHop* fans
-his run-ins w/the cops
-spending time in jail on a rape charge
-his outspokenness
-his background in the theater and love for poetry

in which he compares to Ali who also had a larger than life personality and was always seemed amped up fo no apparent reason

i like that...


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Fuck your fort!

I'm glad that for this new generaion of rappers, they're seemingly able to appreciate and incorporate both.

Most of the affection people feel about Pac don't have nothing to do with his raps at all.

niggas who love rap will always cherish Biggie.

Pac transcends rap, though.

He was a tragic figure. A wider range of people can identify with someone appearing to be self aware of who they are, and how they struggle. For everything a person might not like about him, he showed a side that was desperately striving to overcome those things, because he knew if he didn't it would be the end of him. He even seemed to know that even bettering himself might not matter, his past could still catch up with him. But he still appeared to be trying.

That resonates with people.

He was a better actor than he was a rapper, has a backstory that would seem ridiculous if you tried to write a fictitious character like him had he never lived, the girls are always gonna side with the more good-looking 'conflicted' guy, etc.

He wasn't in Big's league as a rapper and most anybody who's more than a casual fan of the art form should be able to acknowledge that if they're over 16.

Do you understand the otherworldly adoration that would generate now?

Pac doesn't get compared to Biggie....meanwhile biggie is constantly compared to Pac

He was bigger than music

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changed.

I think the one thing that has fallen off for Big is that he just doesn't seem to get the contemporary/young cats co-signs that Pac/Jay even Kanye are getting these days.


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As influential as he was, he just does not have the library to fall deep into.

Yeah, Prince fell off, but if you go from 76-94 (arguably), theres enough in there to see why folk live for the man. Not to mention the unreleased stuff.

Theres only but so many times you can say "but...but...he made Who Shot Ya??".





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I made a post about it a couple of years ago, and niggas went in, but it's arguably the WORST hip-hop "classic"

>I made a post about it a couple of years ago, and niggas went
>in, but it's arguably the WORST hip-hop "classic"

I hear music from that album played today more so than I do music from any of Biggie's albums

and makes it tough to read sometimes.

Still nah anyway but thanks for weighing in.

What about it doesn't hold up?

because even a couple years after his death, no one would have tried to claim he was a Top 5 rapper of all-time, let alone when he was actually walking the earth.

But when it comes to actually rapping, Big was always better at it than Pac by any measurement and always shall be.

overall mythmaking.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

and that's it.

Big had better lyrics, flow, storytelling ability, a far higher percentage of great songs (probably more great songs despite recording less than 1/5th as many), better albums, more quotables/memorable verses, mic presence, ability to adapt styles, etc.

There is virtually nothing that Pac was better at when it comes to actually rapping.

Big stayed in his lane topic wise. True he could switch up his flow but he stayed talking about the same shit. That's why more people love Pac. He was more relatable. Pac got more material I like but he also released more material. Plus Big came up when NYC was on that mafia don shit and that kinda boxed him in topic wise. Going back to those records during that mid 90s era, that mafioso stuff messed up New York rap. Sure you got your OB4CL but you mainly got some albums that was just cool for the moment.

Biggie's for his wide ranging content alone

Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've ever made a 'Makeveli'

He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what records to make that *women* buy

Also, there is NO rapper whose influence is easily recognized more than Tupac - especially in the mid to late 90s

Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and especially Big)

That to me is ultimately how we measure an artist's greatness and impact


>Big stayed in his lane topic wise. True he could switch up
>his flow but he stayed talking about the same shit. That's why
>more people love Pac. He was more relatable. Pac got more
>material I like but he also released more material. Plus Big
>came up when NYC was on that mafia don shit and that kinda
>boxed him in topic wise. Going back to those records during
>that mid 90s era, that mafioso stuff messed up New York rap.
>Sure you got your OB4CL but you mainly got some albums that
>was just cool for the moment.

w/being a "superfan"

Pac could make a Biggie Album? No

Everyones favorite rapper is a Pac fan? No

Its just your opinion and you are obviously all about some Pac so there is no need to fake like you are being objective about this.

>Biggie's for his wide ranging content alone
>
Pacolyte please.

You just choose content because actually discussing lyrics, flow, variety of rhyme styles, quotables, verses wouldn't be a contest.

>Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's
>album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've ever
>made a 'Makeveli'
>
Pac had about ten chances to make an album that held up and told a story from start to finish like Ready To Die but he was not even close to being able to do so.

I guess closest he came mighta been Me Against The World.

And he couldn't do Life After Death either, he had the entire Death Row camp (at their creative/commercial zeitgeist) literally gift him with their best material available upon coming home while he had production done by everyone from Quik to Dre to Dazz & Pooh yet put out an album where the second disc was two joints away from a full-fledged coaster.

>He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what records to
>make that *women* buy
>
sure, lil buddy.

Even when Big makes ladies' joints, which he did more successfully by his first album than 2Pac had done up to that point.....it was Pac's spiritual guiding light showing him how to talk to girls.

>Also, there is NO rapper whose influence is easily recognized
>more than Tupac - especially in the mid to late 90s
>
It's pretty eazeeeey, to recognize another rhyme about henesseeeey and enemeeey.

You want credit for Ja-Rule & Lil Zane as part of why Pac's a better rapper than Big?


>Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and
>especially Big)
>
tell the truth, did you really make yourself laugh out loud there?

and if so, why?

>That to me is ultimately how we measure an artist's greatness
>and impact
>
Uh-Huh(c)C.Wallace
>
>

>You just choose content because actually discussing lyrics,
>flow, variety of rhyme styles, quotables, verses wouldn't be a
>contest.

No because for all of those qualities you say Biggie possessed as a pm MC, he didn't have a bigger impact on other MCs lyrically and so on. You could readily identify MCs Pac influenced whether it withe their rhymes cadence or the subject matter or their vulnerability...there are tons more MCs I've heard say they were influenced by Tupac...from Big himself to Nas to Em who actually said Pac was the BEST WRITER ever in HipHop...

So while you choose to focus on quotables/flow. I put more emphasis on content and emoting your feelings on record which no one did better than Tupac..

This is what you don't seem to understand when it comes to art and how ppl relate to that art: there are times when techniCal aspects of an artform are superseded by sheer emotion and an artist's ability to connect w/their listener...case and point: Billie Holiday who wasn't by any means the most gifted singer *technically* speaking, certainly not in the same category of technical fluency when it comes to Jazz singers like Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzerald, or Dinah Washington...but despite Billie Holiday's limitations as a vocalist, she was still the most influencial Jazz singer ever because she was able to convey an emotional quality that transcended those technical limitations...

And this applies to Tupac as well - there's a host of rappers who maybe had a better flow or used better metaphors and couplets in their rhymes than he did but they still weren't able to have the same impact or influence on the culture or on their listeners the way he did - I've yet to see ANY MC have the same impact, before or since his death, and it's been almost 20 yrs since he died.

If you don't place much importance on the gifts that Tupac brought to the table as an MC, then it makes sense why you're putting a premium on things like "rhyme styles" and "quotables"

I guess Dougie Fresh isn't one of the all-time greatest MCs since he has even less quotables and flows than Pac...


>>Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's
>>album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've ever
>>made a 'Makeveli'
>>
>Pac had about ten chances to make an album that held up and
>told a story from start to finish like Ready To Die but he was
>not even close to being able to do so.

Please - I'll say it again: it would've been far easier for Pac to make a 'Rwady To Die' than it would for Biggie to make a 'Makaveli'...and Makaveli>>>>>>Ready to Die

>
>I guess closest he came mighta been Me Against The World.
>
>And he couldn't do Life After Death either, he had the entire
>Death Row camp (at their creative/commercial zeitgeist)
>literally gift him with their best material available upon
>coming home while he had production done by everyone from Quik
>to Dre to Dazz & Pooh yet put out an album where the second
>disc was two joints away from a full-fledged coaster.

K
>
>>He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what records
>to
>>make that *women* buy
>>
>sure, lil buddy.


>
>Even when Big makes ladies' joints, which he did more
>successfully by his first album than 2Pac had done up to that
>point.....it was Pac's spiritual guiding light showing him how
>to talk to girls.
>
>>Also, there is NO rapper whose influence is easily
>recognized
>>more than Tupac - especially in the mid to late 90s
>>
>It's pretty eazeeeey, to recognize another rhyme about
>henesseeeey and enemeeey.
>
>You want credit for Ja-Rule & Lil Zane as part of why Pac's a
>better rapper than Big?

No, Sherlock, how abt Nas, Em, Dmx, 50...to name a few...all have admitted they were huge fans of Pac and were influenced by him in way or another
>
>>Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and
>>especially Big)
>>
>tell the truth, did you really make yourself laugh out loud

Yeah a little becuse I can't believe half the bs you're in here saying

> Pac was the BEST WRITER
>ever in HipHop...
>
^^^Laughable.

And actually speaking of writing, how many asshole inferior MC's since BIG have claimed to not write at all directly due to BIG?

Does that have anything to do with BIG's ability or catalog?

Fuck No.

Keep bringing up irrelevant shit away from their actual respective musical abilities tho.

>So while you choose to focus on quotables/flow. I put more
>emphasis on content and emoting your feelings on record which
>no one did better than Tupac..
>
>This is what you don't seem to understand when it comes to art
>and how ppl relate to that art: there are times when techniCal
>aspects of an artform are superseded by sheer emotion and an
>artist's ability to connect w/their listener...case and point:
>Billie Holiday who wasn't by any means the most gifted singer
>*technically* speaking, certainly not in the same category of
>technical fluency when it comes to Jazz singers like Sarah
>Vaughn, Ella Fitzerald, or Dinah Washington...but despite
>Billie Holiday's limitations as a vocalist, she was still the
>most influencial Jazz singer ever because she was able to
>convey an emotional quality that transcended those technical
>limitations...
>
LOL, this dude is compare Pac's echo-chamber stacked vocals, simple rhyme schemes & exagerrated inflection at the end of words with Billie Holiday's vocal stylings.

Pacistani, Please.

>And this applies to Tupac as well - there's a host of rappers
>who maybe had a better flow or used better metaphors and
>couplets in their rhymes than he did but they still weren't
>able to have the same impact or influence on the culture or on
>their listeners the way he did - I've yet to see ANY MC have
>the same impact, before or since his death, and it's been
>almost 20 yrs since he died.
>
We're not talking about a 'lyrical/miracle' Rass Kass rapper compared to Pac, dude.

We're talking about BIG.

Who had all that shit you're talking about in spades.

He just wasn't also an actor, pin-up and ripped-from-the-headlines/living-breathing display of performance art outside the booth.

>If you don't place much importance on the gifts that Tupac
>brought to the table as an MC, then it makes sense why you're
>putting a premium on things like "rhyme styles" and
>"quotables"
>
I place just the right amount of importance on Pac as an MC.

I say he was a gifted rapper who could embue tracks with emotion to overcome his repetitive ways stylistically.

He recorded a lot of good songs (lots of shitty ones too but oh well, he was in the studio knocking out 5/6 daily at points).

I have no issue with Pac, I'm just not a casual fan or a dude hung up on the extracurriculars.

He wasn't as good a rapper or rap artist as Biggie Smalls.

That's no major disgrace, you could say that about all but four or five guys all-time despite the abbreviated catalog.

>I guess Dougie Fresh isn't one of the all-time greatest MCs
>since he has even less quotables and flows than Pac...
>
>
>>>Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's
>>>album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've ever
>>>made a 'Makeveli'
>>>
>>Pac had about ten chances to make an album that held up and
>>told a story from start to finish like Ready To Die but he
>was
>>not even close to being able to do so.
>
>Please - I'll say it again: it would've been far easier for
>Pac to make a 'Rwady To Die' than it would for Biggie to make
>a 'Makaveli'...and Makaveli>>>>>>Ready to Die
>
You could say it three times, it still won't make a damn lick of sense to anyone but you and the Pacistani Crew.
>>
>>I guess closest he came mighta been Me Against The World.
>>
>>And he couldn't do Life After Death either, he had the
>entire
>>Death Row camp (at their creative/commercial zeitgeist)
>>literally gift him with their best material available upon
>>coming home while he had production done by everyone from
>Quik
>>to Dre to Dazz & Pooh yet put out an album where the second
>>disc was two joints away from a full-fledged coaster.
>
>K
>>
>>>He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what records
>>to
>>>make that *women* buy
>>>
>>sure, lil buddy.
>
>
>>
>>Even when Big makes ladies' joints, which he did more
>>successfully by his first album than 2Pac had done up to
>that
>>point.....it was Pac's spiritual guiding light showing him
>how
>>to talk to girls.
>>
>>>Also, there is NO rapper whose influence is easily
>>recognized
>>>more than Tupac - especially in the mid to late 90s
>>>
>>It's pretty eazeeeey, to recognize another rhyme about
>>henesseeeey and enemeeey.
>>
>>You want credit for Ja-Rule & Lil Zane as part of why Pac's
>a
>>better rapper than Big?
>
>No, Sherlock, how abt Nas, Em, Dmx, 50...to name a few...all
>have admitted they were huge fans of Pac and were influenced
>by him in way or another
>>
This is nothing to 'admit', dude.

Nas rapping don't really have much to do with Pac or Big.

Nas is Nas.

And him or whoever 'admitting' they're fans of Pac?

Big fucking deal.

They would say the same for BIG.

What would be controversial is if any mainstream rapper actually said otherwise about either of them now that they're long gone & mythologized rap icons.

>>>Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and
>>>especially Big)
>>>
>>tell the truth, did you really make yourself laugh out loud
>
>Yeah a little becuse I can't believe half the bs you're in
>here saying
>
^^^Damn, Pac was always a lot better at returning fire than this.

talking abt what Tupac meant to their career as rappers ...


>> Pac was the BEST WRITER
>>ever in HipHop...
>>
>^^^Laughable.

Eh take that up w/Em whose word I would take over yours since he is a great MC...
>
>And actually speaking of writing, how many asshole inferior
>MC's since BIG have claimed to not write at all directly due
>to BIG?

The key word is "inferior"

There have other GREAT MCs who have spoken in depth abt Pac's influence on them...Rass Kass has said that "all of us have borrowed something from Pac" but I guess he's an inferior MC...
>
>Does that have anything to do with BIG's ability or catalog?

Not at all because NOT writing down your lyrics isn't exactly a good thing for MCs to mimick but having several MCs admit that Tupac was a big influence on their career matters when we measure the influence of said MC


>Keep bringing up irrelevant shit away from their actual
>respective musical abilities tho.

It's irrelevant because you can't follow along. And if you think comparing a Billie Holiday to Tupac in terms of both of their huge impact on their respective artforms despite neither being the most technically sound demonstrates that there are qualities that an artist can hair that transcends being technically sound...
>
>>So while you choose to focus on quotables/flow. I put more
>>emphasis on content and emoting your feelings on record
>which
>>no one did better than Tupac..
>>
>>This is what you don't seem to understand when it comes to
>art
>>and how ppl relate to that art: there are times when
>techniCal
>>aspects of an artform are superseded by sheer emotion and an
>>artist's ability to connect w/their listener...case and
>point:
>>Billie Holiday who wasn't by any means the most gifted
>singer
>>*technically* speaking, certainly not in the same category
>of
>>technical fluency when it comes to Jazz singers like Sarah
>>Vaughn, Ella Fitzerald, or Dinah Washington...but despite
>>Billie Holiday's limitations as a vocalist, she was still
>the
>>most influencial Jazz singer ever because she was able to
>>convey an emotional quality that transcended those technical
>>limitations...
>>
>LOL, this dude is compare Pac's echo-chamber stacked vocals,
>simple rhyme schemes & exagerrated inflection at the end of
>words with Billie Holiday's vocal stylings.

Yes, idiot, because it was often pointed out by many Jazz writers/critics during her day that she lacked range which was only ONE octave and not having a powerful delivery, ...but her central quality was "feeling" and and having an ear for intonation and her ability to stylized a song to fit her distinct vocals
>
>Pacistani, Please.

Obvious you know nothing abt Billie Holiday...because comparing her to Tupac is apro pros for this topic


>>If you don't place much importance on the gifts that Tupac
>>brought to the table as an MC, then it makes sense why
>you're
>>putting a premium on things like "rhyme styles" and
>>"quotables"
>>
>I place just the right amount of importance on Pac as an MC.

No you don't...

>I say he was a gifted rapper who could embue tracks with
>emotion to overcome his repetitive ways stylistically.
>
>He recorded a lot of good songs (lots of shitty ones too but
>oh well, he was in the studio knocking out 5/6 daily at
>points).
>
>I have no issue with Pac, I'm just not a casual fan or a dude
>hung up on the extracurriculars.
>
>He wasn't as good a rapper or rap artist as Biggie Smalls.

And yet Pac is considered the greater artist of the two - Even Biggie's own mom said "my son much of son's music was filth"...he didn't rap abt any real world problems or on any social topic - There's absolutely no way Biggie could've made "white man's world" or "blasphemy" or a song abt political prisoners...
>
>That's no major disgrace, you could say that about all but
>four or five guys all-time despite the abbreviated catalog.
>
>>I guess Dougie Fresh isn't one of the all-time greatest MCs
>>since he has even less quotables and flows than Pac...
>>
>>
>>>>Pac could've made a similar album to either of Biggie's
>>>>album...but there's absolutely no way. Biggie could've
>ever
>>>>made a 'Makeveli'
>>>>
>>>Pac had about ten chances to make an album that held up and
>>>told a story from start to finish like Ready To Die but he
>>was
>>>not even close to being able to do so.
>>
>>Please - I'll say it again: it would've been far easier for
>>Pac to make a 'Ready To Die' than it would for Biggie to
>make
>>a 'Makaveli'...and Makaveli>>>>>>Ready to Die
>>
>You could say it three times, it still won't make a damn lick
>of sense to anyone but you and the Pacistani Crew.

obviously not to you...

>>>
>>>>He'll, Big learned the game from Pac as far as what
>records
>>>to
>>>>make that *women* buy
>>>>
>>>sure, lil buddy.

Smh
>>
>>>
>>>Even when Big makes ladies' joints, which he did more
>>>successfully by his first album than 2Pac had done up to
>>that
>>>point.....it was Pac's spiritual guiding light showing him
>>how
>>>to talk to girls.
>>>
>>>You want credit for Ja-Rule & Lil Zane as part of why Pac's
>>a
>>>better rapper than Big?
>>
>>No, Sherlock, how abt Nas, Em, Dmx, 50...to name a few...
>
>>>>Most ppl's favorite MC was a fan of Pac lol (including and
>>>>especially Big)
>>>>
>>>tell the truth, did you really make yourself laugh out loud
>>
>>Yeah a little becuse I can't believe half the bs you're in
>>here saying
>>
>^^^Damn, Pac was always a lot better at returning fire than
>this.
>

>Big stayed in his lane topic wise. True he could switch up
>his flow but he stayed talking about the same shit.
not really true at all, there was about 8 or 9 different 'topics' just off the first album alone.

That's why
>more people love Pac. He was more relatable.
He was a better actor, better icon, more charismatic figure, better interview, better news story, better looking poster on the wall 'and all that, all that, all that'(c)
>Pac got more
>material I like but he also released more material.
He released a shit-ton of material, he recorded incessantly and it wasn't all the most focused quality stuff either.

Pac was more a songs guy than an albums guy.

He didn't flesh out his thoughts into a cohesive album whole like that, closest to doing so was the Makiaveli joint which perhaps not coincidentally was completed & put together after his death.

Plus Big
>came up when NYC was on that mafia don shit and that kinda
>boxed him in topic wise.
Big talked about all kinds of shit from growing up, to braggadocio raps, to storytelling joints, to mental issues, rapping from different character's perspectives, etc.

He just didn't make cuddly pandering cuts like "Dear Momma" or direct I'm-Gonna-Kill-You direct diss records like "Hit Em Up".

Going back to those records during
>that mid 90s era, that mafioso stuff messed up New York rap.
>Sure you got your OB4CL but you mainly got some albums that
>was just cool for the moment.

I don't know what this has to do with anything but I guess you got meander into musing about other shit when actually comparing these two guys as MC's if you're taking Pac's side of it musically.

>not really true at all, there was about 8 or 9 different
>'topics' just off the first album alone.
>

list the topics because outside of "Things Done Changed", "Everyday Struggle" "Juicy" and "Suicidal Thoughts" it was either drug life or witty east coast lyricism.

>He was a better actor, better icon, more charismatic figure,
>better interview, better news story, better looking poster on
>the wall 'and all that, all that, all that'(c)

and better songs, got it.

>He released a shit-ton of material, he recorded incessantly
>and it wasn't all the most focused quality stuff either.
>
>Pac was more a songs guy than an albums guy.
>
>He didn't flesh out his thoughts into a cohesive album whole
>like that, closest to doing so was the Makiaveli joint which
>perhaps not coincidentally was completed & put together after
>his death.
>

False. Makaveli was completed in 7 days prior to his death. Hence the album title The 7 Day Theory.

>Big talked about all kinds of shit from growing up, to
>braggadocio raps, to storytelling joints, to mental issues,
>rapping from different character's perspectives, etc.
>

Braggadocio raps don't impress me. Pac did all of that other shit as well.

>He just didn't make cuddly pandering cuts like "Dear Momma" or
>direct I'm-Gonna-Kill-You direct diss records like "Hit Em
>Up".
>

True. He just made cuddly pandering radio cuts like "Big Poppa" and "One More Chance" and dropped subliminal disses on other peoples records.

>
>I don't know what this has to do with anything but I guess you
>got meander into musing about other shit when actually
>comparing these two guys as MC's if you're taking Pac's side
>of it musically.

It has to do with Biggie's limited subject matter and the fact that Pac talked about more shit than him. You like BIG more. No biggie fam. Big was technically a better emcee but Pac made better music. Just my opinion.

>>not really true at all, there was about 8 or 9 different
>>'topics' just off the first album alone.
>>
>
>list the topics because outside of "Things Done Changed",
>"Everyday Struggle" "Juicy" and "Suicidal Thoughts" it was
>either drug life or witty east coast lyricism.
>
Warning is a classic storytelling caper deploying multiple characters speaking, Gimme The Loot is a stick-up anthem with Biggie rapping as multiple characters/voices, Me & My Bitch is a storytelling love song, Ready To Die delves into the paranoia/depression/nihilism later echoed in Suicidal Thoughts, One More Chance/Big Poppa are straight club/party records, Friend of Mine is about opportunistic women.

Add that up to the ones you listed and you got enough.

Lots of topics, even while maintaining a narrative thread and maintaining the same trouble protagonist throughout.

I did a 30-page Senior Seminar English paper in college contrasting this album with 'Native Son' by Richard Wright.

There's plenty of meat on the bone here and it's a more complete body of work than any album Pac ever made by a JFK-to-LAX level of distance.

>>He was a better actor, better icon, more charismatic figure,
>>better interview, better news story, better looking poster
>on
>>the wall 'and all that, all that, all that'(c)
>
>and better songs, got it.
>
>>He released a shit-ton of material, he recorded incessantly
>>and it wasn't all the most focused quality stuff either.
>>
>>Pac was more a songs guy than an albums guy.
>>
>>He didn't flesh out his thoughts into a cohesive album whole
>>like that, closest to doing so was the Makiaveli joint which
>>perhaps not coincidentally was completed & put together
>after
>>his death.
>>
>
>False. Makaveli was completed in 7 days prior to his death.
>Hence the album title The 7 Day Theory.
>
The album was still put together, mixed, packaged, arranged & released posthumously, genius.

I'm familiar with the backstory but thanks anyway.

>>Big talked about all kinds of shit from growing up, to
>>braggadocio raps, to storytelling joints, to mental issues,
>>rapping from different character's perspectives, etc.
>>
>
>Braggadocio raps don't impress me. Pac did all of that other
>shit as well.
>
LOL, let's start with a storytelling joint Pac had on par with any of Big's Top 5 just to make me laugh.

>>He just didn't make cuddly pandering cuts like "Dear Momma"
>or
>>direct I'm-Gonna-Kill-You direct diss records like "Hit Em
>>Up".
>>
>
>True. He just made cuddly pandering radio cuts like "Big
>Poppa" and "One More Chance" and dropped subliminal disses on
>other peoples records.
>
>>
>>I don't know what this has to do with anything but I guess
>you
>>got meander into musing about other shit when actually
>>comparing these two guys as MC's if you're taking Pac's side
>>of it musically.
>
>It has to do with Biggie's limited subject matter and the fact
>that Pac talked about more shit than him. You like BIG more.
>No biggie fam. Big was technically a better emcee but Pac made
>better music. Just my opinion.

That's fine, that's your opinion because you're a fan, I actually consider myself a fan of both as well.

But when it comes to the art of actually rapping/music-and-album/song-making, none of the actual nuts-and-bolts in terms of lyricism or music theory really hold up in favor of Pac as an MC.

>I did a 30-page Senior Seminar English paper in college
>contrasting this album with 'Native Son' by Richard Wright.

If you still got a copy of that, I would love to read it.

I still hear Juicy, One More Chance, etc... but unless its I Get Around I rarely hear Pac at a club with a dance floor.

Diddy was all about the upbeat, party records.

Pac was making nothing but gangster music. I wouldn't even call California Love a party song since it's so aggressive. I Get Around and maybe How Do You Want It count as Pac's party songs.

'California Love' 'Hail Mary' are songs I still hear (often) by Tupac...they even play a lot of his music on adult old school R& B music...

And if you've traveled overseas, his music is still played heavily as compared to Biggie whose music I never heard when I traveled.


>I still hear Juicy, One More Chance, etc... but unless its I
>Get Around I rarely hear Pac at a club with a dance floor.
>
>

but I have heard 'Brenda's. Got A Baby' played recently on the radio, not the more mainstream radio station though

But also I hear Pac's music played in dudes ridin by in the car way more than I hear some passer-by playing Biggie's music

>

and I dont go to clubs that often but any lounge, club, etc where I have fell up in the last few years aint playing Pac like that...

Like you said, its music for niggas in the whip and honestly, that isnt really saying much IMO because when its time to please a crowd, Pac aint the answer.

If you live out west its obvious why you hear more Pac but be honest...You aint hearing it that much.

I think you may be romantacizing a little...

The old school R&B station where I'm at

As far as clubs, like I said, I haven't been to one lately but there was a time when the DJ would get to the classics and he (or she) would play a lot of Pac...and Biggie to be fair but several of the rappers who had passed...but that was a few years ago

Nowadays, I have no idea of what old school rapper still gets played in the club...shit, I don't hear Nas played like that either in the club and he's still on the scene (Camron said last year that he was in a club and they played Nas and the females didn't want to hear Nas - he said they "didn't want to have to be bring a thesaurus to the club to have to understand his lyrics lol)


>and I dont go to clubs that often but any lounge, club, etc
>where I have fell up in the last few years aint playing Pac
>like that...
>
>Like you said, its music for niggas in the whip and honestly,
>that isnt really saying much IMO because when its time to
>please a crowd, Pac aint the answer.
>
>If you live out west its obvious why you hear more Pac but be
>honest...You aint hearing it that much.
>
>I think you may be romantacizing a little...

he was a character
he was an actor
he was an activist
he was a myth and a legend even while he was still living

biggie just made really good music

>biggie just made really good music
>

and that hasn't change even today...



>>biggie just made really good music
>>
>

although i prefer biggie to 2pac
that's just my personal preference
across the board more people fuck with 2pac
going back to my initial response
he gave the people a lot more to relate to
i just wasn't really a fan of his rap style
(while we're here biggie was never a favorite either. like i fuck with him but
i've always liked a bunch of other rappers over him.)

from a sales/mythology perspective.

Still don't mean his music remotely approaches any of theirs.

Keep on telling me about stuff I already know like the fact that Pac was a more popular poster on the wall and that he connects with more casual rap fans.

Then ask me if I give a fuck.

Makes no musical sense to myself either but don't blame me, I was given this world, I didn't make it.

You may not like it but its true. White people love some Elvis

and marvin gaye combined.
thats just dumb.

Let me know the next time you see of an arena full of Dylan impersonators, read about a gaggle of goofballs claiming to find visions of Marvin Gaye in their mashed potatoes or join a fleet of daily buses making a pilgrimage to Graceland.

How Long Will They Mourn E?

Fly over country loves some Elvis.

>Still don't mean his music remotely approaches any of theirs.

Ok, and? Lol, the post is about stature.
Pac's stature is rising because of reasons outside of music, and deservedly so, imo.

Music itself is gonna be a subjective discussion anyway... especially between two cats
with different styles and strengths.

hands down thats pacs BEST album

and none of you 35 and up pac riders even mentioned it
Did complex do an article on it??
i find that quite odd

makes me feel like ppl mostly cared about Pacs antics
and not his music which sucks because that was his BEST album

Meanwhile every march 9th IG and twitter go crazy with biggie quotes

you buggin my g
Big's staying power is still here Ask Rick Ross

now thats not to say ppl dont love pac

but lets not act like Big is long and forgotten
Big Poppa sets the summer off like no other song
hell that or one more chance rivals ANY pac summertime smash

as long as Diddy is still arounds niggas Big will still be remembered

hell do the outlaws even ride for pac like that anymore?


i know mad pac verses and i know mad biggie verses
and yeah Big was definitely a better RAPPER

Complex is east coast. Why would they do Pac features like that? It's the same bias that went on in the 90s. Sure east coast cats got a few records they dig outside of their region but they be biased about that too. Ask most east coast cats their favorite Ice Cube album and they'll tell you Amerikkka's Most Wanted. Why? The Bomb Squad produced it.

There is no coastal bias fam
Kendrick is west coast and he gets live all across
And all things considered most rappers all sound alike
These days. Hard to be biased when asap and then
Sound like south cats

>There is no coastal bias fam
>Kendrick is west coast and he gets live all across
>And all things considered most rappers all sound alike
>These days. Hard to be biased when asap and then
>Sound like south cats

Where did I mention a west coast bias? Not in my reply anywhere and we're talking about artists from the 90s. I got plenty of New York cats that don't fuck with Pac till this day because of his beef with Biggie. Did you not hear the Funk Flex rant several years ago? And this is 10+ years after Pac died. There may be no bias now and that's mostly because New York ain't had a new guy in the running on a mainstream level in a minute but when it comes to that era, a lot of them aren't fucking with Pac.

The World' wasn't nearly as good as side A

But he did have one of his all-time best tracks on there 'Shed So Many Tears' in which you could say there wasn't any single on 'Makeveli' that could top or match that song


>hands down thats pacs BEST album
>
>and none of you 35 and up pac riders even mentioned it
>Did complex do an article on it??
>i find that quite odd
>
>makes me feel like ppl mostly cared about Pacs antics
>and not his music which sucks because that was his BEST album
>
>Meanwhile every march 9th IG and twitter go crazy with biggie
>quotes
>
>you buggin my g
>Big's staying power is still here Ask Rick Ross
>
>now thats not to say ppl dont love pac
>
>but lets not act like Big is long and forgotten
>Big Poppa sets the summer off like no other song
>hell that or one more chance rivals ANY pac summertime smash
>
>as long as Diddy is still arounds niggas Big will still be
>remembered
>
>hell do the outlaws even ride for pac like that anymore?
>
>
>i know mad pac verses and i know mad biggie verses
>and yeah Big was definitely a better RAPPER
>
>
>
>

Outlaw
Fuxk the world
Death around the corner


Makaveli was a mixed bag imo
An emotionally charged album but his judgment and
Message we clouded by beef


Matw just seemed like his msg was pretty clear and concise
It actually was like a calm before the storm imo
He wasn't completely angry and he was
Really looking at himself

Sound wise it appealed to a wide range of ppl too

I dont see people showing love for either of these 2 like some are suggesting.

Both are well respected and Pac definitely touched more hearts because he was more political but it aint like Pac is still rising. He peaked a while ago just like Biggie.

Pac needs a movie tho...

and look at all the rappers/producers/DJs/anybody associated w/HipHop that will come up and offer some never-heard-before story or experience they had w/him...and most of the stories are fairly recent stories being told which still shows his impact on the culture almost 20 yrs later

Can't say the same for Biggie - because, again, outside of being a good or even great rapper, there wasn't a whole lot to his life story or anything all that interesting abt him as a personality

Of course because this is HipHop where the younger generations don't have an appreciation for their history like other artists from different genres which is why you may not hear discussions abt him as much as you once did...like 12-15 yrs ago

But it's not like ppl have forgotten abt him lol

And yes, he does need and deserve a movie on his life

And tbh I really didn't think Biggie deserved a movie but I don't get to make those decisions - I just didn't think there was anything particularly interesting abt his life that was worthy of a movie being made - his life story reads no different than just abt any ol NY rapper


>I dont see people showing love for either of these 2 like
>some are suggesting.
>
>Both are well respected and Pac definitely touched more hearts
>because he was more political but it aint like Pac is still
>rising. He peaked a while ago just like Biggie.
>
>Pac needs a movie tho...
>

Biggie wasnt just another NY rapper. Yall niggas need to stop that shit.

Its disrespectful and makes the rest of your points "Unbelievable"

do w/the fact that I had low expectations of it to begin with

And if being murdered makes you worthy of having a movie made abt your life then I guess I better get ready for a lot of rappers like Big L or Freaky Tah having a movie made on their life lol

But seriously, I didn't think a movie needed to be made on his life notwithstanding him being murdered...Biggie wasn't really a fascinating personality to me


>Biggie wasnt just another NY rapper. Yall niggas need to stop
>that shit.

But really he was tho
>
>Its disrespectful and makes the rest of your points
>"Unbelievable"

K

These cats legacies are pretty much cemented
I dont hear any young cats even mention pac
Or biggie like that tbh. I dunno maybe pac will
Get more attn with the young kids after the Kendrick interview

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/editorials/id.2775/title.2pacs-me-against-the-world-a-retrospective

All these characters talking about how
Pac walked on water and saved someone's
Grand parents from a burning building
Didn't mention it which is odd if his catalog was sooooo amazing
And that's his best album

*shrug*
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

'Juicy', 'One More Chance', 'Can't You See', 'Hypnotize', 'Going Back To Cali', 'Only You Remix', 'Party and Bullshit', 'Gimme the Loot', 'Sky's The Limit', 'Kick in the Door', 'Big Poppa', etc...all on radio.

Hell, R-Tistic has done a Biggie set at most of the events of his I've gone to....

On the other hand I know lots of young people who know at least one Biggie verse.

This entire post has come as a surprise to me. None of my friends talk about Pac with any regularity, and I don't think I've ever been at a party and a Pac joint came on, I mean you don't hear a lot of Biggie either, but I hear more of him than I do Pac.

Pac was an average rapper with above average content and a contradictory public persona with no party james as far as I'm concerned and I've heard other people who were too young (or unborn) to really listen to Pac when he was alive say similar things.



"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

Lol

"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

You telling me they don't play any of these in the club anymore??

All About You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLToFiqDHF0

Thug Passion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcjL8w7p1Xc

I Get Around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJAnQTwmJs

Keep Ya Head Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8







"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

slides you a drink and flips on an NBA game.

We had a good run fam.

That was and forever will be my shit.

On another note I like BIG a lot but I don't listen to his albums at all. I don't listen to Pac much these days but I would put on Me Against The World before any of BIG's albums. Ready To Die is one of the worst "classic" hip hop albums. I don't consider it a classic. Classic songs...sure but not album.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

you can crip walk to that shit but you can't get your dance on to that song.

club hits, for sure. "Get money" surely ain't more hype, but both can go hard.

"California love" is just more of a mixed club hit to me.

>You telling me they don't play any of these in the club
>anymore??
>
>All About You
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLToFiqDHF0
>
>Thug Passion
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcjL8w7p1Xc
>
>I Get Around
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJAnQTwmJs
>
>Keep Ya Head Up
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that
>you'll have is some memories..."

The song was practically MADE for holding your drink in one hand while it's extended full length in the air......swaying back & forth to the beat..


"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

And I've now been living in Los Angeles for the past eleven years.

Even if you weren't into rap you saw him in Juice or Poetic Justice

Sure Biggie did a cameo on Martin but that ain't the same

Big's legacy with the younger generation.

37 mill domestic box office
8 mill international

30 mill in DVD sales

No doubt Juice made Pac into a star during his youth but Poetic Justice was ass juice.

we are talking about the love for BIG peaking and I don't see how people can say that without admitting Pac's love peaked years ago.

Both have peaked as far as the love by the masses. They still have fans but the crazy love has leveled off.

ain't no one checking for these 2 for obvious reasons.

Pac definitely has more stannish type fans tho.. but those types of fans have a hard time dealing with reality.

Still has a movie coming. Arguably the greatest working right now praising him as an idol.

Pac legend continues to build.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>Still has a movie coming. Arguably the greatest working
>right now praising him as an idol.

Oh lord.. take that shit to the lesson. You sound like a 15 year old.

>
>Pac legend continues to build.

nigga sit yo ass down. That's just dumb.

>ain't no one checking for these 2 for obvious reasons.
>
>Pac definitely has more stannish type fans tho.. but those
>types of fans have a hard time dealing with reality.

biggie fans named a street
no one is saying Biggie is still alive
but folks still clinging to Pac might be
0_o

thats some cultish sad stuff there
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

It just seems like Pac had the persona and Biggie had the music.

They're just celebrated in different ways.

I hear more of Biggie's music and I see a lot of art and t-shirts with Biggie, but no one really quoting him or his messages. There really isn't much else out there of him, just his likeness and some hits.

I still see pics of Pac on #mcm lol and his quotes, but I don't really hear his music much. Outside of the music, u do have his poetry, acting, his family and controversy.

The romanticization. The reading of his poetry. The failed Broadway play. Vomit.

I'm actually glad that we don't try to deify Biggie in that way. He was an aint shit nigga who somehow did improbable shit with his life. His music lives on in clubs, on the radio, and other party settings moreso than Pac's. They live post-mortemly in different lanes.

>The romanticization. The reading of his poetry. The failed
>Broadway play. Vomit.
>
>I'm actually glad that we don't try to deify Biggie in that
>way. He was an aint shit nigga who somehow did improbable shit
>with his life. His music lives on in clubs, on the radio, and
>other party settings moreso than Pac's. They live
>post-mortemly in different lanes.
>

>The romanticization. The reading of his poetry. The failed
>Broadway play. Vomit.
>
>I'm actually glad that we don't try to deify Biggie in that
>way. He was an aint shit nigga who somehow did improbable shit
>with his life. His music lives on in clubs, on the radio, and
>other party settings moreso than Pac's. They live
>post-mortemly in different lanes.


they named a street after him though
=\
and that was too much IMO
he had a good album damn folks really?

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>I'm actually glad that we don't try to deify Biggie in that
>way. He was an aint shit nigga who somehow did improbable shit
>with his life. His music lives on in clubs, on the radio, and
>other party settings moreso than Pac's. They live
>post-mortemly in different lanes.
>

Maybe where you at but Pac stay banging when I go home to Atlanta.

Unity.
Was out here calling for truces among gangs, had their respect, etc.

I mean, I don't know why it's surprising that the man's legacy lives on the way it does.
He was a complex individual in a way that Biggie wasn't
When have you seen Biggie speak TRULY PASSIONATELY about the well being of Black people
and the next generation like Pac did at the Malcolm X dinner speech?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex4PtkmLvgo

He went down the wrong path and did the wrong shit, but hell that just made him more
relatable to alotta folks in the end. The activism level he started out on just inspires
cats to wanna be like Pac before he wigged out and shit.