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12759301, Young Jewish girl discovers she's half-black (swipe)
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 12:02 PM
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/little-white-lie-review-a-filmmaker-explores-her-secret-black-heritage-1.10078126

THE DOCUMENTARY "Little White Lie" airing on "Independent Lens"
WHEN|WHERE Monday at 10 p.m. on WNET/13

WHAT IT'S ABOUT Filmmaker Lacey Schwartz confronts what everyone in her life had been "overlooking": That the little girl from the nice white family in Woodstock was black. How did it happen? How could it happen?

The light-skinned Schwartz grew up in Woodstock, a fairly homogeneous white community, never thinking she wasn't just like her parents, Robert and Peggy, and an heir to a New York Jewish immigrant background -- despite the fact that in summer she certainly tanned up a lot darker than anyone else in the family. Robert Schwartz explained Lacey's coloring away by pointing to photographs of his dark-complected Sicilian grandfather, which in retrospect seems ludicrous. (The filmmaker's biological father, no surprise, was really an African-American, who had an extramarital affair with her mother.) Schwartz concludes that everyone was in denial. "If you looked too closely at it," the filmmaker says, "it didn't make sense. So we didn't look."

It's not until she applies to Georgetown University, attaches a picture of herself and is admitted as a black student, that she accepts the obvious. At which point there's something of a hole in the story: She transitions into black college life with nary a speed bump, and it's not until later that the confrontations with her parents get serious. Were they unaware that a major institution of learning had declared their daughter African-American?


Have y'all heard of this? The NPR story was really very interesting.
12759313, umm...wow. perhaps SHE'S the only one that didn't know?
Posted by FLUIDJ, Mon Mar-23-15 12:06 PM
because......

.
12759364, lol, it appears so.
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 12:25 PM
The story sounded completely preposterous to me, but it was entertaining.
12759318, https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/101524901/Lacey_1.jpg
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 12:09 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/101524901/Lacey_1.jpg

man, it's obvious.

shame on her parents.
12759321, yeah really
Posted by KiloMcG, Mon Mar-23-15 12:10 PM
12759343, There are dark Jews with hair like that, but they tend to have
Posted by John Forte, Mon Mar-23-15 12:20 PM
VERY jew-ey features. This broad looks like Rae Dawn Chong.
12759368, Where they be at?
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 12:25 PM
I want to go to there.
12759380, NYC. I've seen all kinds, many have middle eastern type
Posted by ndibs, Mon Mar-23-15 12:30 PM
Features or could pass for Dominican.
12759391, Here:
Posted by Castro, Mon Mar-23-15 12:34 PM
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ilana+Glazer+Broad+City+Screening+NYC+o2i0QZwf3tRl.jpg
12759407, excellent example
Posted by John Forte, Mon Mar-23-15 12:38 PM
12759411, AAARGH!!! MY EYES!! WTF WAS THAT
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 12:40 PM
12759465, lookin like Rain Pryor
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Mar-23-15 12:56 PM
12759595, that was awful...
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 01:54 PM
12759729, Ronald McDonald's sister
Posted by 8-bit, Mon Mar-23-15 02:43 PM
12760230, ugh you are a piece of shit.
Posted by shygurl, Mon Mar-23-15 10:28 PM
disgusting.
12760284, basically
Posted by John Forte, Tue Mar-24-15 03:18 AM
12760705, I'm shallow.. sorry
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-24-15 11:32 AM
12759699, lol, touche - ain't she a lil' light, tho?
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 02:34 PM
12760165, light? she was white
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 08:51 PM
12760263, No different than many of our folks.
Posted by Castro, Mon Mar-23-15 11:55 PM
12760212, Yep
Posted by lfresh, Mon Mar-23-15 10:01 PM

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You cannot hate people for their own good.
12760892, uhh, i guess. Ilyana looks white. OP pic doesnt
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-24-15 01:01 PM
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12759736, RE: Where they be at?
Posted by Mgmt, Mon Mar-23-15 02:48 PM
LMAO
12759369, frankly i'd be more surprised to find she's Jewish....
Posted by FLUIDJ, Mon Mar-23-15 12:25 PM

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12761744, she looks VERY jewish to me
Posted by NikaMandela, Wed Mar-25-15 09:22 AM
12759331, my ex already made this movie.
Posted by ndibs, Mon Mar-23-15 12:16 PM
http://www. silencesfilm.com/
12759337, RE: Young Jewish girl discovers she's half-black (swipe)
Posted by double 0, Mon Mar-23-15 12:18 PM
She looked like Drake as a baby though.. dunno how she aint know
12759359, heard abt it on NPR this morning...she lost me
Posted by Binlahab, Mon Mar-23-15 12:24 PM
When she was like when I went to undergrad suddenly my bad hair was good hair and my dark skin was light skin

She still doesnt get it IMO

I'm very dark and have dark curly hair. My skin and hair aren't "bad" just like hers weren't "bad" when she thought she was Jewish

12759373, that was cringeworthy - but I doubt she was lying tho.
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 12:26 PM
Nahmean?
12759399, my poor brain washed people. nm
Posted by Binlahab, Mon Mar-23-15 12:36 PM

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg
12759704, you ain't lyin' either.
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 02:35 PM
Wanna drink about it?
12759480, I get it tho...
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine, Mon Mar-23-15 01:00 PM
>When she was like when I went to undergrad suddenly my bad
>hair was good hair and my dark skin was light skin
>
>She still doesnt get it IMO
>
>I'm very dark and have dark curly hair. My skin and hair
>aren't "bad" just like hers weren't "bad" when she thought she
>was Jewish
>
>
12760172, Man I heard that shit driving to work, almost cut the car off and
Posted by Lardlad95, Mon Mar-23-15 09:09 PM
and walked right out onto the highway. Couldn't fucking take that shit.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard
12760998, But she was not lying though
Posted by dafriquan, Tue Mar-24-15 01:56 PM
The features that made her not white enough are highly cherished in the black community. Especially for women. She's being honest, no?
12759365, her deniability is more plausible than Tirico's
Posted by John Forte, Mon Mar-23-15 12:25 PM
12759386, lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Mon Mar-23-15 12:32 PM
12759413, that nigga knows he's black.
Posted by Binlahab, Mon Mar-23-15 12:40 PM
I refuse to believe he's trying to pass

Tiger and Jeter tho...smh

They refuse to give in and come to the dark side


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg
12759476, I don't think Jeter has ever denied his blackness has he? he can't his...
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine, Mon Mar-23-15 12:59 PM
black ass daddy was at every yankees game, lol

>I refuse to believe he's trying to pass
>
>Tiger and Jeter tho...smh
>
>They refuse to give in and come to the dark side
>
12760294, Jeter? C'mon.....his father is black, it's no secret.
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12760898, again they aint got to fit in Bin's myopic Blackness
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-24-15 01:05 PM
viewfinder

Jeter NEVER skirts being Black

Tiger another story

but they also get the benefit of doubt FROM whites, who view them at other

again, I have no idea what areas yall live in where white view and treat Blacks equally

12759415, LOL
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 12:41 PM
12759466, I wish his mother would sit him down and put an end to this foolishness.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Mon Mar-23-15 12:56 PM
12759538, My first thought was
Posted by nipsey, Mon Mar-23-15 01:29 PM
"This ain't nothin' but the Mike Tirico Story!"
12759882, Tirico didnt know he was black?
Posted by Riot, Mon Mar-23-15 03:41 PM
does that explain his dude-bro frat stories in the espn offices?
12759921, Tirico claims he's NOT Black
Posted by nipsey, Mon Mar-23-15 03:58 PM
I think it's a case of his family keeping secrets from him.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/01/world-cup-anchor-mike-tirico-s-bizarre-history-reports-of-stalking-and-sexual-harassment.html

According to a 1990 profile of Tirico in the Syracuse Post-Standard, “because of his dark skin and ethnic features, Tirico says, most people assume he’s black. But he’s seen pictures of his father, his father’s mother, and his father’s sister, all of whom are white.”
12760261, Mike Tirico's DNA results:
Posted by Castro, Mon Mar-23-15 11:54 PM
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5135358_f260.jpg


He need to stop frontin
12761494, yo, tirico makes me so angry
Posted by murderbear, Tue Mar-24-15 08:55 PM
cuz i bet he has said *fuckin moolie* countless times
12761497, yo, tirico makes me so angry
Posted by murderbear, Tue Mar-24-15 08:58 PM
cuz i bet he has said *fuckin moolie* countless times
12759375, I'm surprised this story is getting so much traction.
Posted by Niq96st, Mon Mar-23-15 12:27 PM
I mean, haven't we all heard stories like this before?

And I want to know: did the dad know about the mom's affair or did he just want to believe that it was his Sicilian gene manifesting itself? lol

12759379, it's getting traction because the documentary airs tonight
Posted by John Forte, Mon Mar-23-15 12:30 PM
12759395, Right, but her story's not all that unique.
Posted by Niq96st, Mon Mar-23-15 12:35 PM
I mean, yeah, it's intriguing but it's not something we've never heard before.
12759560, #32
Posted by Monkey Genius, Mon Mar-23-15 01:39 PM
Simple as that.
12759562, lol!
Posted by Niq96st, Mon Mar-23-15 01:40 PM

12759604, ha!
Posted by kinetic94761180, Mon Mar-23-15 01:57 PM
12759393, To be fair, her dad's Sicilian grandpa looked black as hell.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Mon Mar-23-15 12:34 PM
They showed his pic in one of the previews. Moorish as fuck. It was a plausible lie.
12760215, agreed
Posted by lfresh, Mon Mar-23-15 10:06 PM
But then I grew up around Sicilians and yeah comparatively they are dark

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
12759406, replace discovered with accepted and I will believe it
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 12:38 PM
12759709, lol - yeah.
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 02:36 PM
12759458, Conscious denial like many conservatives
Posted by Binladen, Mon Mar-23-15 12:53 PM
12759475, she was interviewed on HOT 97 last year:
Posted by thegodcam, Mon Mar-23-15 12:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHrA_-5Fp8
12759481, damn, shes pretty
Posted by Binladen, Mon Mar-23-15 01:00 PM
12759549, your conditioning is conditioned
Posted by double negative, Mon Mar-23-15 01:34 PM
jokes.
12760181, Is it wrong to say that I can hear the blackness in her voice?
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Mon Mar-23-15 09:23 PM
Because I can and I mean beyond just her inflection.
Weird. It might be my eyes deceiving my ears though.
12760218, Slight but of resonance?
Posted by lfresh, Mon Mar-23-15 10:09 PM
Bass?

I saw it in her hips as well
But yes could be me and her age she's in her thirties now and filled out
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12760638, Nope, I heard it IMMEDIATELY on NPR
Posted by spades, Tue Mar-24-15 11:02 AM
I was thinking how did she NOT know she was black?
12760891, voice changed the instant she found out...
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-24-15 01:01 PM
12759477, this feels a bit racist to me, no?
Posted by initiationofplato, Mon Mar-23-15 01:00 PM
the sad music evoking "Tragic" feelings, etc. just doesn't feel right.
12760884, well, it IS a dark secret
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-24-15 12:55 PM
12761482, didnt even see it that way b.
Posted by double negative, Tue Mar-24-15 08:41 PM
12759511, The film's made a tour of all the UWS synagogues of late.
Posted by Mongo, Mon Mar-23-15 01:13 PM
Brotherhood showed it @ one synagogue I go to was showing it and having discussion

The former president of my synagogue in the Bronx knows her from B'Chol L'ashon

http://www.bechollashon.org

She worked on this for about 8 years as I understand it. Was a major part of reconciling with her family, as I understand it.

Very awkward to watch though, especially when she confronts her mother.
12759524, She's got Arab genes in addition to African genes as well
Posted by Atillah Moor, Mon Mar-23-15 01:21 PM
Maybe even been had African genes if Jewish people really were enslaved in Egypt. Do Jewish people not read history books these days?
12763262, the fuck are you talking about?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Wed Mar-25-15 10:39 PM
12759637, im sure everyone else knew she was mixed with something
Posted by auset1, Mon Mar-23-15 02:12 PM
its obvious.


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12759646, tragic jewlato n/m
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12760902, DAMN, lol
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-24-15 01:07 PM
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12761680, did somebody say mulatto?
Posted by Damali, Wed Mar-25-15 08:47 AM
12759692, I remember seeing clips on youtube, I thought this was out already
Posted by Grand_Royal, Mon Mar-23-15 02:33 PM
12760065, it was out in film festivals and limited screenings, now its on TV
Posted by gusto, Mon Mar-23-15 05:35 PM
12759734, Hilarious! TF was her mom thinking?????!!?!???
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Mon Mar-23-15 02:47 PM
Like her mom knows she was taking pipe-n-circumstance from a black man, knows she was jewish and her man was jewish.

She just crossed her fingers and hoped no one would notice??? Like how the fuck did she go thru that and just be like "oh well!".
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12759930, Terribly irresponsible.
Posted by spades, Mon Mar-23-15 04:04 PM
12760170, I used to work for a university in rural KY
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Mar-23-15 09:03 PM
The football players would come for a year, creep in the corn fields and leave behind a baby or 2 before flunking out or transfering..

The college was frustrated because there were all these Obama babies who would check white when they enrolled. They were raised by white grandparents and always identified as white and really believed that shit.

12760173, Cuts a little too close to home, but there's no way she didn't know
Posted by CaptNish, Mon Mar-23-15 09:11 PM
Or at least have doubts.
12760175, looking at her pictures as a kid
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Mar-23-15 09:12 PM
it seems obvious because we know the story before watching
but so many italian, jewish, latino and such people look similarly and we don't call THEM black
despite whatever african roots may be present.

i do concede however that she looks a lot 'blacker' as a grown up.
but i feel it was probably pretty easy for her to pass the way she looked
especially if the non-biological dad is part sicilian.

12760202, I love how the black kids at school were like
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Mon Mar-23-15 09:51 PM
"Um, girl you black"
If there is a speck of darkness black folks will see it and call it out.
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DJTB YOMM
12760737, a lot of us have relatives somewhere in our fam who could pass...
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-24-15 11:48 AM
so we know when we see it...

and we make sure to call it out when one denies it.
12760859, It's basically a superpower
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Tue Mar-24-15 12:38 PM
Finding a scintilla of black anywhere.
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DJTB YOMM
12760881, lol yes
Posted by latenitemix, Tue Mar-24-15 12:53 PM
this one guy i'd see around the more i saw him the more i was convinced he was black especially since he kept his head shaved and so did his brother. found his fb page and lo and behold his daddy was black. i was like I KNEW IT!

i still think shia labeouf is passing

12760888, Professor X-CLAN
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Mar-24-15 12:59 PM
12761481, I was raised on stories were black people were hired back in the day to...
Posted by double negative, Tue Mar-24-15 08:40 PM
find and call out "passing" black people in organizations

this was in the 20s or 40s
12761560, Damn, I've never heard that one before
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Tue Mar-24-15 10:20 PM
That's crazy. Hired for inherent negro spotting abilities.
I just imagine firms pulling a random black person off the street to smoke out passing negros for $50. Dave from accounting sweating hard because he skipped his conk appointment last week and his are roots coming in...
looking like this... http://askmeaboutmyhair.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/modern-day-conk.jpg
but lighter

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DJTB YOMM
12761570, Lol
Posted by Mgmt, Tue Mar-24-15 10:37 PM
>That's crazy. Hired for inherent negro spotting abilities.
>I just imagine firms pulling a random black person off the
>street to smoke out passing negros for $50. Dave from
>accounting sweating hard because he skipped his conk
>appointment last week and his are roots coming in...
>looking like this...
>http://askmeaboutmyhair.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/modern-day-conk.jpg
>but lighter
>
>___________________________________________________________
>
>
>DJTB YOMM
12761830, Hilarious!
Posted by Grand_Royal, Wed Mar-25-15 10:32 AM
12760211, She did a really great job on this!
Posted by lfresh, Mon Mar-23-15 10:00 PM
And man her mom is a trip

But BUT
It reminds me of all family secrets(abuse, infidelity, homosexuality etc etc)and people go silent
That silence is SO huge
And damaging
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12760219, Oh and her ex and husband fine lol
Posted by lfresh, Mon Mar-23-15 10:11 PM

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12760461, yep!
Posted by luminous, Tue Mar-24-15 09:34 AM
12760788, her ex looks like dude that played in Finding Forrester
Posted by Ray_Snill, Tue Mar-24-15 12:09 PM
the other black kid on the basketball team at the white school



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12760408, I have a friend who is jewish
Posted by luminous, Tue Mar-24-15 09:08 AM
with very curly hair and people think she is latina.... things that make you go hummmmmmmm
12760901, she looks like my homie whose mother is white Italian.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Mar-24-15 01:07 PM
i'd have clocked her immediately. LOL
12761027, This is my friend's story almost verbatim
Posted by dafriquan, Tue Mar-24-15 02:11 PM
We grew up together in Nigeria. In the heart of "black Africa"...lol
She was half white but did not "know" till she was 17.

I always thought she looked mixed but I had to accept the weak explanation I was force-fed i.e. Her grandmother was an albino.

Its not uncommon for Igbo people to occasionally have "lighter" complexion but her loose curls was highly unusual . We'd go swimming and her hair would not nap up...lol...it bugged me. When she later told me she found out she actually had a white biological father, I wanted to shout "I knew it!"
12761690, damn white people will believe anyt...
Posted by lfresh, Wed Mar-25-15 08:54 AM
no wait
lol


folks don't seem to understand
its across the board this type of imma lie
and folks just won't looks too deep into it to not cause waves esp family
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12761484, just saw this and a couple of things
Posted by double negative, Tue Mar-24-15 08:45 PM
1. she looks black as HELL even growing up she looked black as fuck

1a. or at least puerto rican

2. her dad looked kinda black-like when he was young

3. is it me or is this REALLY just a film about a woman dealing the idea that her parents are human beings and the long effects of divorce and infidelity? i mean, if a black person wasnt involved, this would have just been a doc about that.

4. i love how black people can instantly call out other black people by just a bit

5. c'mon lets not be brand new about that hair line, i knew what she meant

6. I was SUPER surprised she ended up with a brother. I was expecting a Chad or Brad which kinda does happen a lot for women in her lane

7. is it me or was even dancing with a bit of flavor at a her bat mitzvah?

8. now that she has aged a bit she looks really fucking black as HELL

12761486, oh, and a screenshot which perfectly sums up the movie
Posted by double negative, Tue Mar-24-15 08:47 PM
http://i60.tinypic.com/2nv5ton.png



12761843, her facial expressions throughout the movie were great
Posted by latenitemix, Wed Mar-25-15 10:40 AM
12761493, re: #3
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Tue Mar-24-15 08:54 PM
she said in that interview with ebro that it was mostly about family secrets and infidelity
but the black angle just happened to be a part of it.
12761521, Yeah 3
Posted by lfresh, Tue Mar-24-15 09:19 PM
And how the whole continuing to cover up and stay silent and not communicate
Man
MAN it was painful to watch definitely not this secret in particular
This is across the board family secrets
Infidelities, abuse, bigamists, adoptions, homosexuality etc etc etc
That silence is soooo heavy

And her mom saying to would have KEPT the secret if she could gave
And never told
0_o
Wild
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12761533, which makes me wonder how common this is...
Posted by double negative, Tue Mar-24-15 09:37 PM
passing off the kid as a child of a parent when the parent is not the child
12761683, She looks like Neneh Cherry
Posted by Teknontheou, Wed Mar-25-15 08:49 AM
12761832, RE: She looks better than Neneh Cherry
Posted by Geah, Wed Mar-25-15 10:34 AM
fixed it for u

this girl cute as hayull
12763074, Agreed.
Posted by Teknontheou, Wed Mar-25-15 07:44 PM
I'm looking at the documentary right now and she's borderline dreamy.
12763182, her mom is on that George Costanza with the lying
Posted by gumz, Wed Mar-25-15 08:55 PM
she just carried that shit through for a whole lifetime