https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJqCHfq1Zow

"A couple months" lol

They feel terrible for her.

If they see a homeless man with a dog, they feel terrible for the dog.

about anyone homeless regardless of sex or the mammals they chill with.
so i found this reply odd.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

wtf?

There's something to what he's saying.

if ppl ignore homeless men it's not b/c they're men, i think. i think it's b/c ppl feel powerless to address the root cause of the homelessness and so they're embarrassed which causes them to look past the homeless.

i'm projecting that, of course. but i also used to work on housing and homelessness issues so i have some experience.

I disagree with it, but I find it infintely more palatable than mine.

b/c...damn.

they are rarely emaciated, and they're usually to be pretty content, and well behaved.

the dogs who seem to be mistreated most are the ones who have a house. or a house next to them while, sitting on the side of it, or chained to a tree in the back yard getting ignored.

that said, i'm a sucker for any homeless person with a dog, because of the dog.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Foh I can barely feed my myself/my kids, you think I'm going to give you money to feed your dog...?

in dealing with and being around white people in Austin. It was a line from a famous comedian who isn't white and doesn't live in Austin btw.

aka how the hell we posta know that was a joke?

Its an obvious dig at white peoples love for dogs.

.

what I was referencing.

I've seen every chris rock special. it didnt sound familiar *shrug*

They get treated just like the rest of the people sitting around with signs asking for change.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

...emotional equity. It's man's best friend for a reason.

less relevant when it comes to solving your immediate problems.

For the rest of us though...

Yes, it's true, but does it really matter?

We're at the top of the heap and if you're a decent looking middle-class white man????

I have ZERO fucks to give about your plight, that being said. Yes, there are downsides and that's ok. You can't win 'em all.

there are plenty ppl in the world who care about at least some of the men in their lives.

sheesh.

do you ppl love your fathers? do you care about...

ah HA.

i see it.

I find men whining about the lack of (fill in the blank) akin to white folks complaining about (fill in the blank) It's often due to a lack of perspective.

I will say this. I'm not sure if you're going to resonate w/this but there is a certain callousness w/which men's emotional/mental needs/wants are regarded. This may be specific to hetero-normative men tho. I do believe there is a bit of Gender Dynamics involved.

or to say that i'm so feminine that i may not be able to understand this point.

you didn't disappoint.

and i feel sorry for you.

and I know you're intelligent enough to see what I was saying, but I'll spell it out.

A lot of women, expect their love interests, when that love interest is a man to be stoic and often over look the emotional/mental needs of them.

This isn't about you being feminine, this is about a dynamic you may not be a party to, due to your orientation. Just like, I'm sure there are power/relationship dynamics between two men when they are in a romatic relationship that I'm sure I am not a party to at all.

femininity/masculinity have NOTHING to do with it.

That was a bit of a stretch, and while my response may not have disappointed you, your assumption about mine, SURELY disappointed me.

populated only by gay ppl i cannot understand the plight of the heterosexual male.

that is fucking laughable.

>and I know you're intelligent enough to see what I was
>saying, but I'll spell it out.

i'd think you'd be intelligent enough to know that though i don't eat pussy my world is filled w/heterosexuals. most of my favorite ppl are heterosexuals (<-- see what i did there?). i was raised by heterosexuals. my whole family is heterosexual (save for a bisexual first cousin). all of my coworkers. the overwhelming majority of the kids i went to school with. the overwhelming majority of the ppl i see on tv. in movies. in books.

do i need to go on? b/c i can.

>A lot of women, expect their love interests, when that love
>interest is a man to be stoic and often over look the
>emotional/mental needs of them.
>
>This isn't about you being feminine, this is about a dynamic
>you may not be a party to, due to your orientation.

oh fuck off.

Just like,
>I'm sure there are power/relationship dynamics between two men
>when they are in a romatic relationship that I'm sure I am not
>a party to at all.

jesus the fuck christ.

anyway, i know what you're saying. i disagree w/it completely.

yes, some women expect their man to be stoic. some. sure. but that's not the same as saying women or the women we're discussing in particular do not care about a man's feelings. it's not necessarily true that women have that expectation and even if they do if they really care for the man in their life and he's struggling emotionally they want to help. they may not know how to help - they may feel powerless and they may act out of that feeling of powerlessness. it's not the same as not caring.

also, b/c we're taught as boys to disregard our feelings when we hurt (and we all do) we often lack the tools to communicate the hurt effectively. and so we project this idea that world doesn't care about our feelings b/c we're men. it's just not true. the world may not care but not b/c we're men. and the ppl who love us if they actually love us DO care about our feelings. they care what we go through. they don't want us to hurt. and if we hurt and they can help they will help. we have to reach out though. we have to ask for the help. those who are really down for us will respond - they'll reach back.

they've been married for almost 50 yrs. they've been to hell and back. if she didn't care about his emotional needs (which are legion - he was a raging alcoholic for their first 15 yrs or so) they wouldn't still be together, i think.

and i have worked w/ppl who care deeply about the plight of homeless ppl - many (if not most) of whom are men. so i disagree pretty strongly that ppl don't care about homeless men b/c they are men.

if ppl don't care about the plight of men i don't think it's b/c they're men i think it's b/c ppl don't care about the plight of others generally.

but maybe i don't know what y'all mean by 'care'.

i disagree with spades and lardlad calling it whining and a balancing out. Everybody deserves mental stability. Plus, a part of emotional health is empathy and...


I disagree with you in that I don't think that men's emotional needs are even considered by most people. (hence the term "man up" and other stupid shit like that)

Yes some folks and programs try and reach folks. But by and large...the idea of what a man is is divorced from compassion and tied mostly to violence and responsibility

ppl. that's why we have circles of ppl around us who care for us by varying degrees. that's true for men and women alike.

i mean, i feel bad for him if no one in his life cares about him. that's too bad.

i have ppl in my life who care what i'm going through. w/o regard for whether i have money.

yes, i have people that care about me. deeply.

BUT

i can't just curl up into a ball and rock back and forth while i sort things out in my head.

i got responsibilities. there's a long list of things that don't get done without me handling it. the quality of life for quite a few people suffer if i don't do what i do.

so when i'm feeling bad, it's not like i'm surrounded by people that don't care. it's just that there is no bail out. nobody is there to step into my place and do everything that i do while i get my mind right.

i gotta keep on keepin on...




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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

>i got responsibilities. there's a long list of things that
>don't get done without me handling it. the quality of life for
>quite a few people suffer if i don't do what i do.
>
>so when i'm feeling bad, it's not like i'm surrounded by
>people that don't care. it's just that there is no bail out.
>nobody is there to step into my place and do everything that i
>do while i get my mind right.

This reply is basically saying that men do it to themselves by taking on that kind of responsibility in their lives.

Heterosexual men have no one else to blame but other heterosexual men for their plight.

I've watched so many men, including here on OKP, paint emotions as negative and 'feminine' then have the nerve to be upset when others don't acknowledge that you as a man have feelings too, the same feelings you belittled other people for having.

Nope, I don't have sympathy for what Ebro is saying. So many men want to show how much of a man they are and can be by not emoting.
Don't get mad at everyone else when that facade of masculine armor gets tiring.

More like a lot of men don't care, and homeless men can't exactly unite and lobby.

If enough men cared about the plight of the homeless in general, they would be better off. However, the ranks of influential men are packed with those who lack empathy. Thus the weight of their influence makes it seem like nobody cares, whereas it's just that not enough of the right people care.

and I see why it would appeal to him.

if he legit does't have anyone who would still be in his corner, sans career, money etc. then that's horrifically sad.

if the people in his circle couldn't get by without him, then man, someone needs to work on their independence.

but that's just his perspective, and one a lot of people have. it's tiring, it's stressful, and it's not benefiting the person having it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

geez!

So concern for any kind of "plight" is lost as long as that's the case.

well done fellas.

d

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

men are responsible for all the violence in the world!

men get paid more & get raped less soooo

well, men think emotion is weakness so its their fault!

etc

I didn't give my approval, I said that because other groups suffer as well you need to put your own suffering in perspective.

We suffer in unique ways, and we're rewarded in unique ways as well.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

This is where you people lose normal people. Like telling white people to check their privilege. Wtf would do that?

Gee, I will suffer and do worse...so you random ppl I dont know or care abt...can feel better

Its dumb.

>This is where you people lose normal people.

hehe... true

I didn't realize I was pitching campaign slogans.

No shit most people don't try to put their situations into a larger perspective, we both know you're intelligent enough to discuss the broader implications of homeboy's statements, so why are you pretending like I was addressing this to someone other than you?

Also, don't lump me in with the SJW crowd you've known me too long to pull that bullshit Bin.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

I am not judging you if you think that.
I am asking if you feel that way.

I have never felt unloved.

I have felt that ppl in my life didn't have the capacity to help me
(which is why therapists are great.
they don't tell you to man up
and they don't tell you to get out
your feelings and they don't make
it about them).

But I never felt unloved.

And also, ppl that I assumed had no capacity to help actually did.

Ppl in my life that I didn't think
I could ask for help came through when I asked.

Ppl that I assumed could not relate to my
struggles found ways to listen.

Honestly, my life got easier when I stopped trying to do everything by my goddamned self.

And no, the fact that I'm gay has 0 to do
with the fact that the world was not as callus as I assumed it was.

All men, gay and straight, are socialized to be stoic.

But that shit is non-useful unless you
have a gun or knife pulled on you
and it's a matter of fight or flight.

beyond that, it is useful to reach out to other ppl if you are in over your head.
actually, it's good to reach out BEFORE you are in over your head.

I was surprised to find that my father,
who I haven't asked for shit since whenever, was not only able to listen and communicate and offer assistance, but also
was happy that I reached out to him and
lamented the fact that I was so hesitant to do so.


I am not saying that ppl in your life can help you.

I am saying that it's worth it to give them the opportunity to turn you away... because there is a chance that they won't.

that stoic shit is for the birds.

if no longer think it is possible to get where I want to be without help.

I mean, damn.




>men are responsible for all the violence in the world!
>
>men get paid more & get raped less soooo
>
>well, men think emotion is weakness so its their fault!
>
>etc
>
>

If I'm going thru it there's no organization to help me

If I can't pay my rent for whatever reason I'd be a homeless motherfucker

Ive got a couple friends and family...if I got fired tomorrow, they would be like damn homie! At best I could crash with them for a week. Maybe.

But overall....I'm on my own. As a man that is something you have to learn to accept.

If I dropped dead tomorrow other than my children no ones life will be hugely impacted.

Nobody cares. When I feel emotional, most people would be like man the fuck up...because nobody cares.

Thats how it is.

Another reason I feel like "happiness" is for women and children. & pharrel. As a man the most you can pray for in life is satisfaction. Contentment.

I could go on but...why?

Even some that I love. It's disturbing...
Some of it is real, most of it is self imposed.
Won't ask for help even if it kills them, so belief becomes fact.
___________________________________________________________


DJTB YOMM

I'm not.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

>If I'm going thru it there's no organization to help me
>
>If I can't pay my rent for whatever reason I'd be a homeless
>motherfucker

When a state tightens the requirements for food stamps, welfare, etc the FIRST people to get cut are single, childless men. It happened in Michigan back in the 90's. A grip of dudes that couldn't find work for whatever reason suddenly found themselves without food.

When I lost my job, I was going to call up and apply for food stamps/snap so we could eat. The wife and her moms told me to let HER do it 'cause if it went under my name we might not get it or get it severely reduced.

One of the homies got sole custody of his infant kids 'cause moms got hemmed up on some foul charges. He needed some extra money for food for the kids and ended up struggling to make ends meet 'cause ain't no WIC-type of program for men.

Ain't no programs for men... period. We're expected to suck it up, dust ourselves off, and pull a job out our asses to make money to support ourselves.

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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

that is all the more reason why it's a bad idea to try to solve all problems by yourself.

in fact, you just gave an example of
you, a man talking about shit with
your SO, to decide on the best course of action.

you're SO didn't say, suck it up.

the two of you collaborated to find
a workable way forward.

which is the only point i am making.


don't keep every problem to yourself.
talk about it. ppl might have a better idea than you.

or they might have something they can offer.

not saying they will.

they might.

it's good to ask.



>>If I'm going thru it there's no organization to help me
>>
>>If I can't pay my rent for whatever reason I'd be a homeless
>>motherfucker
>
>When a state tightens the requirements for food stamps,
>welfare, etc the FIRST people to get cut are single, childless
>men. It happened in Michigan back in the 90's. A grip of dudes
>that couldn't find work for whatever reason suddenly found
>themselves without food.
>
>When I lost my job, I was going to call up and apply for food
>stamps/snap so we could eat. The wife and her moms told me to
>let HER do it 'cause if it went under my name we might not get
>it or get it severely reduced.
>
>One of the homies got sole custody of his infant kids 'cause
>moms got hemmed up on some foul charges. He needed some extra
>money for food for the kids and ended up struggling to make
>ends meet 'cause ain't no WIC-type of program for men.
>
>Ain't no programs for men... period. We're expected to suck it
>up, dust ourselves off, and pull a job out our asses to make
>money to support ourselves.
>
>---------------------------
>
>forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in
>ebola virus. - Binlahab
>
>Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is
>dead. - VAsBestBBW
>
>R.I.P. Disco D

regardless of how he approached it the solution involved a woman applying because...

i'm not going to bother though...

too much BS in this post already

maybe we asked for help,
or asked for an ear to listen,
and were not turned away, ridiculed, or kicked while we were down.

maybe as we grow up, we realize
that the world, while terrible,
is not a giant bowl of shit and nothing more.

maybe we found that some ppl are good,
and they give a damn about us,
don't want to see us hurt,
and will help if they know we have a problem they can assist with.

I know humans are terrible,
but believe it or not, they have their moments.


>i'm not going to bother though...
>
>too much BS in this post already

And she is ride or die and got her own money (though I don't think he necessarily knew her family came from paper).


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

no snark? just asking?

And when they met he wasn't the dude he is now, much lower on the food chain.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Fuck your fort!