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12755815, I can't take feminists seriously Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Wed Mar-18-15 05:43 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/dc-comics-pulls-batgirl-variant-cover-featuring-the-joker-after-online-protests-10114408.html
http://i.imgur.com/k3Uxj44.jpg
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12755816, ngccot Posted by Selah, Wed Mar-18-15 05:45 PM
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12755819, none at all. Posted by spades, Wed Mar-18-15 05:49 PM
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12755821, we're talking about it in PTP Posted by spades, Wed Mar-18-15 05:50 PM
but if you must have this convo here I'll just say straight up. That cover would never be done w/male heros.
She's CRYING for christ's sake, she looks like a victim, not a hero. That's what the uproar is over. I gotta say, I agree too. I wouldn't want to see Spiderman crying in fear from Sandman - would you?
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12755826, Fam, click on the 2nd link. It shows Batman crying. Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Wed Mar-18-15 05:55 PM
>but if you must have this convo here I'll just say straight >up. That cover would never be done w/male heros. > >She's CRYING for christ's sake, she looks like a victim, not a >hero. That's what the uproar is over. I gotta say, I agree >too. I wouldn't want to see Spiderman crying in fear from >Sandman - would you?
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12755828, Crying over a dead Robin. Not crying 'cause villains are scary. Posted by Monkey Genius, Wed Mar-18-15 05:57 PM
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12755847, The Scarecrow uses a toxic that causes people to have Posted by ShinobiShaw, Wed Mar-18-15 06:15 PM
horrific halucinations and dreams to the point where they are sobbing and crying. This has happaned to batman and his allies several times in many comics.
The Joker has used his own version of this and has hired scarecrow before.
You know what fuck this, we are talking about fictional characters here.
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12755849, *ding* Posted by Selah, Wed Mar-18-15 06:17 PM
>You know what fuck this, we are talking about fictional >characters here.
^^^this
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12755856, That's not the same thing as crying in fear - non chemically induced. Posted by spades, Wed Mar-18-15 06:29 PM
It's just no.
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12755868, Do you know whats happening on the cover? Posted by ShinobiShaw, Wed Mar-18-15 06:41 PM
Was it indicated if she was drugged or not? For the record I like the cover and I agree with the decision to pull it but you guys are claiming stuff that you can not prove.
and we are still talking about fictional characters
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12755833, funny thing happened in that PTP post Posted by Selah, Wed Mar-18-15 06:00 PM
when i posted the comics code I must have tripped the work-scanner with too many "no-no" words
the firewall locks me out now
ultimately though the cover is foul because its foul, not because "they would never show a man like that"
there are a gang of covers/panels with male hero's crying, and in physical jeopardy
either way, after posting I realized folks gon' be all up in their isms and its best to just let the thing be as it is:
the artist didn't want the drama and requested it be pulled, and DC pulled it
everybody got what they wanted
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12755858, You probaby wouldn't be able to take the artist of the cover sereiously either.... Posted by KwesiAkoKennedy, Wed Mar-18-15 06:31 PM
"The industry of HQ has always been sexist. It is important to review our values and our positions, "he said. "We need to learn to listen, empathize with anyone who has an opinion different from yours. If put in place of the other and consider. Discussions on the internet tend to turn childish tantrums, on one side or the other ".
"A magazine geared toward the teenage female audience should not have a heavy cover such as this. Independent of the question of who is right or wrong, that I did not fit the proposal that it should have, "said the artist. "I don't think a magazine that has the intention to elevate the female self-esteem should have an image which might suggest otherwise".
http://entretenimento.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2015/03/18/a-industria-de-hq-sempre-foi-machista-diz-brasileiro-de-capa-da-batgirl.htm
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12755890, that flies as long as you don't actually follow the book Posted by Selah, Wed Mar-18-15 07:00 PM
check out these covers from the same volume of the same book (forgive if these put up huge images)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/66303/3817181-batgirl+01.jpg (july 2014)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/67663/3750194-30.jpg (june 2014)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/66303/3493106-batgirl.jpg (feb 2014) that is her father pointing the gun @ her btw
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/67663/3103249-21.jpg (aug 2013)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/66303/3041727-batgirl.jpg (july 2013)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/66303/2867002-prev_img.jpeg (apr 2013)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/66303/2699918-prev_img.jpeg (jan 2013)
point: all that "it's not cool for a book aimed at young girls..." business is kinda *iffy*
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12755893, Good thing I've been follwing it since it soft rebooted in Oct. 2014... Posted by KwesiAkoKennedy, Wed Mar-18-15 07:14 PM
...when Brenden Fletcher and Cameron Stewart took over and they redirected to a lighter tone and younger audience.
Here's what Stewart had to say about the cover...
Cameron Stewart
@cameronMstewart ยท 1 day ago The cover was not seen or approved by anyone on Team Batgirl and was completely at odds with what we are doing with the comic.
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12755895, okay. that proved my point.... Posted by Selah, Wed Mar-18-15 07:20 PM
(note: I didn't mean YOU, you...I meant the reader of the comment)
historically, beyond the past 6 issues, this book (including previous volumes) has a sketchy history of this very thing
progress/change is good, but one could easily side-eye this sudden change based more on market-reaching than actual morals
that's just opinion tho
if nothing else DC should me mindful of shifts in their own marketing
company-wide they do this kinda stuff (not just gender-tone-deafness, but otherwise also) far too often
part of me almost is suspicious enough to think they *LIKE* this kinda drama on some "any pub is good pub"
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12755910, The reader of the comment? Posted by KwesiAkoKennedy, Wed Mar-18-15 07:58 PM
You mean the artist commissioned to do the cover?
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12755861, white supremacy/racism is a bigger problem. Posted by kinetic94761180, Wed Mar-18-15 06:33 PM
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12755892, let a vocal minority make your decisions brehs, Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Mar-18-15 07:06 PM
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12755914, At times that's better than a quiet, oppressive/(apathetic) majority Posted by Ted Gee Seal, Wed Mar-18-15 08:01 PM
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12756002, The Civil Rights Movement in a nutshell. Posted by Monkey Genius, Wed Mar-18-15 10:06 PM
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12755908, http://www.lby3.com/wir/index.html Posted by Ted Gee Seal, Wed Mar-18-15 07:54 PM
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12755967, But 50 shades is an erotic masterpiece or something? Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Mar-18-15 09:10 PM
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12755996, "She signed up for that. It was her choice!" (c) Starbucks Union Posted by Doronmonkflake, Wed Mar-18-15 09:54 PM
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12755968, But 50 shades is an erotic masterpiece or something? Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Mar-18-15 09:10 PM
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12756009, I am sure the feeling is 100% mutual Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Mar-18-15 10:29 PM
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