https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyn-W4W6bHQ

next month he gonna do a whole ep of him playing poker

>next month he gonna do a whole ep of him playing poker

It's incredibly hard for anyone to be that eloquent or for that matter poignant on race in such a short amount of time. Dr. West even dropped a wutang reference for the youngins just clarify a point. Incredible.

referring to?

anyone younger than, say, upper 20s/30 probably wouldn't get a Wu reference, but they're also not watching Letterman most likely.

We all know Obama has a lot of views he can't share without sinking any chance of getting anything he wants to do, done.

>We all know Obama has a lot of views he can't share without
>sinking any chance of getting anything he wants to do, done.

without any tangible evidence that it's true.
It feels comforting for black folks but not necessarily true.

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>We all know Obama has a lot of views he can't share

Obama chose to be the person he is, and he chooses
to articulate the views that he articulates. We have
enough of a body of work upon which to assess
his viewpoints (both as president and prior to being president).





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Its an indefensible accusation and he's been doing it for years.

Obama has also tip toed around race issues in the most obedient way imaginable. Obama is Wall Street man, and I think he made that abundantly clear. His swag is for the camera only.

people want him to step out in the Rose Garden in a dashiki holding his fist up.

Are we not a constituency like all other constituencies?
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its just...sad.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

Or shot after getting in a car accident?

Have Americans routinely and systematically had their families ripped apart since their ancestors arrived here?

Wait-- have Americans been in chains as a people sine the very start of America?

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I mean damn...he can't just point at people and throw them in jail

>We all know Obama has a lot of views he can't share without
>sinking any chance of getting anything he wants to do, done.

and Obama himself has said so check out this excerpt

"Mr. President, so since you were — since I was in college, which is when you were elected, I’ve watched everything you’ve had to go through — jumping through hoops, going over hurdles, everything. And there’s been a common notion amongst my peers — peers who were very interested in getting into politics, being politicians, even that — this idea of if Barack Obama can’t say or do what we think he wants to say or do as President, then could any of us ever do that if we get into politics, be it about Ferguson, about gay rights — any of these things where we feel we know what he wants to say, but he can’t really do it at that moment.

Is that a sentiment that you are commonly aware of? And does it at all inform kind of how you want to wrap up your presidency? And I guess if you were trying to advise someone in this climate that wanted to make some change or have an immediate impact, would you advise them into getting into politics?

Well, I mean, let me say a couple things about that. First of all, one of the things I’m very proud about, from the time that I ran for the U.S. Senate to me running for President to being President is I’ve said what I meant. I haven’t engaged in a lot of editing. Now, I don’t always say it the way I might say it if I’m sitting over at the dinner table with Michelle. I might not say it the way I say it if I’m on the basketball court with some of my buddies. But the trajectory of what I’ve said, what I care about around policy, I haven’t had to bite my tongue. I think that’s a mistake."

http://grantland.com/features/barack-obama-selma-50th-anniversary/


check the link for his full response but that gets to the crux of the idea that President Obama is doing something or saying things he doesn't really want to or believe. I've always said you don't become president of the U.S. without believing in the system. so that idea is b.s . and it's always been B.S. no one forced Obama to run for POTUS he chose to do so.

it would make him look incredibly weak
which is the irony of his defenders using it as a plea cop
but at the end of the day i don't think there is a real way to know whether it's politics or not

it's more likely that he actually believes in the ideas and decisions he has made than believing that he is actively being censored.
so while you have a point i doubt he would admit to being censored It's more probable that he actually you know makes decisions for himself and believes in those decisions/thoughts/actions etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/obama-bulworth_n_3284940.html

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/obama-bulworth_n_3284940.html
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

isn't the same as not believing in the actions and policies that he has put forth in his administration.

leadership, in this case at the federal level, isn't just exclusive to the president and/or other public service members ...

but it's also within BLK LEADERSHIP too where the void is just as if not more glaring

And this is where I get annoyed w/his constant "critique" of Obama but I have yet to see him address how post-civil rights blk leadership has sorely missed the mark in providing direction and purpose for our community

West and others of that academia ilk have been too busy being a "public intellectuals" to really be doing any meaningful work that affects the most vulnerable members of our community since King's passing.

What grassroots plans has he come up with...

That whole charade w/he and Smiley traveling around the country showing ppl living in poverty wasn't some eye-opener. We didn't need for them to do that...but it was another opportunity to blame Obama for the growing number of ppl living within or below the poverty line.

He points out to Lettermen how many young blk men are shot every hour by law enforcement and that there has to be something done at the federal level (or specifically that Obama has to intervene)

But I would've liked for Cornel West to point out the number of or the likelihood that a young blk male is more likely to be shot and killed by someone who looks like him rather than a policemen...but to shine a light on that problem within our community speaks more to what WE haven't done as a collective community as well as those who posit themselves as "blk leaders" or "spokesmen" for our community.

It's not within the purview of the federal government to address the deep seeded self-hatred that exist within our community.

It's like so many ppl seemingly expected Obama to radically change the presidency and be this revolutionary leader who could solve all America's problems at home and abroad...oh, and also heal all the wounds of the blk community too.

i don't know how u get any more grassroots than literally being on the ground with people and suffering the consequences for doing so

people can't attack the substance of his arguments because it's obviously real/true so yall try to undermine him by convincing yourselves it's motivated by something personal

we need for him to follow in and live up to the tradition of blk intellectuals he claims to be students of and provide real ideas and solutions to problems...and not someone who seems more interested in going on John Stewart/Letterman/Bill Maher/CNN etc.

He makes more tv appearances talking abt what's wrong w/blk America (and Obama) which is why he and Skip Gates refer to themselves as "public intellectuals" whatever the hell that means.

Getting arrested on tv means nothing when you're getting out of jail an hour later on your own recognizance.

>i don't know how u get any more grassroots than literally
>being on the ground with people and suffering the consequences
>for doing so
>
>people can't attack the substance of his arguments because
>it's obviously real/true so yall try to undermine him by
>convincing yourselves it's motivated by something personal

Smh - I don't have to convince myself of nothing, fam, I've seen him on tv too many times talking abt how Obama disrespected him and his brother by not giving them a "personal invite" to the inauguration.

As far as his critique being real/true, it still shows me how petty he is because he'll attack Obama for his foreign policies, for instance, but then turn around and say he's in a tough position and that oftentimes he's left w/no good choices...but I'll criticize him nonetheless

> he claims to be students of and provide real
>ideas and solutions to problems

as far as institutionalized racism and oligarchy...his ideas/ solutions are what you are calling petty in this very reply
basically he's getting crucified for doing precisely what you claim he doesn't do

and lol @ him providing solutions for black people specifically. you can't even take him criticizing a member of the elite, god forbid he tell normal black people to try xyz
there is NOTHING he can say or suggest that you will accept if it involves any criticism of the ruling administration or the people that administration appoints
it's a top down issue that can't be talked about in our community until the ppl currently at the top move on

>> he claims to be students of and provide real
>>ideas and solutions to problems
>
>as far as institutionalized racism and oligarchy...his ideas/
>solutions are what you are calling petty in this very reply
>basically he's getting crucified for doing precisely what you
>claim he doesn't do

He has no solutions - he's giving his opinion - now, Obama has been roundly criticized by Cornel and others for his use of drones, but the other alternative was putting troops on the ground rather than the drones. Now I suppose those who oppose America's presence in the Middle East would say don't put troops nor use drones in that part of the world because we are already too war-fatigued...but the minute there's an attack on America's embassy or some attack occurs in the U.S. Is when Obama would be blamed for his "soft approach on terror" and this is why West has said on numerous occasions that Obama is in an unenviable position because there are no good options when it comes to war or specifically "fighting terror" in the Middle East and around the world.
>
>and lol @ him providing solutions for black people
>specifically.

Because his influence and efforts are best utilized working at the grassroots level where he can can really bring abt change...but for all his bluster abt drones and America's troubling foreign policy, nothing will change. And as far as him speaking for blk ppl, that's how HE defined his role in public life, speaking to the most vulnerable and disenfranchised which happens to be mostly blk ppl.


you can't even take him criticizing a member of
>the elite, god forbid he tell normal black people to try xyz
>there is NOTHING he can say or suggest that you will accept if
>it involves any criticism of the ruling administration or the
>people that administration appoints
>it's a top down issue that can't be talked about in our
>community until the ppl currently at the top move on

Because real change ALWAYS starts from the bottom - revolutions and social movements don't begin w/either the ruling class or the political elites. The aforementioned bend to the will of the ppl which is why those like West who is regarded as the preeminent blk intellectual should be more on the ground organizing as well as speaking directly to those whose lives he can really affect.

Like I said, had Obama personally invited him and his brother to the inauguration I seriously doubt he would be as critical. Some of the name-calling (things he never said abt any white president) is clear evidence some of it was coming from a place of anger.
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>
>
>
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we'd have avoided all this

of it (same w/Tavis) is coming from a place of anger and feeling like Obama slighted them during his first campaign and subsequent election




>we'd have avoided all this

for 1 no you dont know shit abt what motivates cornel or tavis. because youre not them or in their circle. so lets state that from the gate.

also, if the message didnt have any weight or bearing, you would be able to dismiss it as nonsense, like the hes a muslim! charges...

but you cant.

because what tavis & cornel & many others have been saying is 100% accurate & you CANT explain it away


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

more than one occasion how he felt disrespected that he and his brother who campaigned for Obama didn't get a personal invite from him. So therefore it's rather easy (for me and others too) to conclude that some of his issues w/Obama is abt




>for 1 no you dont know shit abt what motivates cornel or
>tavis. because youre not them or in their circle. so lets
>state that from the gate.

They're the ones who brought up their personal issues w/Obama, no one else. Tavis HAS SAID that he felt disrespected that Obama didn't personally show up to his annual "state of blk America" address and sent Michelle instead...and ever since he's been peeved.
>
>also, if the message didnt have any weight or bearing, you
>would be able to dismiss it as nonsense, like the hes a
>muslim! charges...

I never said his criticism were nonsense, I said they lose its effectiveness when he makes it personal
>
>but you cant.
>
>because what tavis & cornel & many others have been saying is
>100% accurate & you CANT explain it away

Except that I have

And like I said, Obama will be out of office in a few months...so what or who will they concentrate their social critique on then...or when will they come up some type of social agenda for blk ppl instead of acting as if our plight rests solely w/the handouts of the federal government

hes been talking abt the same issues since the 80s...what will he discuss after barrys out of office? the same issues.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

he teaches.
he preaches.
he had a nationwide bus tour EXPRESSLY to bring attention to the poor.

but you want an actually organization of which he is the head?


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

aka he's another version of sharpton? just better read?
and he's teaching who? white kids?

organizing isnt just about that

it means also starting a movement
so what movement has west led
apart from trying to hang onto the coattails of whatever comes along
he's so busy harping on about poor black people but what exactly has he done to improve their situation
apart from give lofty often pedestrian speeches and criticisms?
oh wait, he had a povery tour bus.
how poverty porn of him

No he is not a Ralph Nader style constant nominee for office...he preaches. He keeps speaking that truth to power. He's waiting I'd imagine on the movement to catch up to him but we are all mainly too coopted by the system to do so

>He's waiting I'd imagine on the movement to catch up to him
>but we are all mainly too coopted by the system to do so

and he's lazy... smh at waiting
how long has it been since race matters?

couldnt even start something akin to a blacklivesmatter movement
that was started with people who have even less influence than he does

what a pity.

but its ok because our standards have fallen so low.
for shame

the main reason im asking though is im trying to understand what gives him the audacity
to talk about another black man like this
i mean he makes it sound like hes been moving mountains for black people
meanwhile its not even molehills
smh

scholarship and gaining positions within institutions, which can lead to research grants is absolutely fundamental to our polyvocal movement against white supremacy.

He may be teaching predominately white students, but students of color are there and he mentors them into gaining access. Christ, that's a whole lot in my eyes. Though the stories about how he gate keeper-ed MHP is wack...

and aren't you a PhD student? Won't your career look much like Dr. West's?

I have theoretical disagreements with some of his positions, and prefer Dr. Davis, Robin DG Kelley and Cedric Robinson's work, but West good in my book, whatever that's worth.

im not planning an academic track - i plan to be working in the field
which is not to say thats everyone's path in life
but im also at a research institute where the majority of the research
especially public health related research often feels like research for research sake
not much implementation being done=- which is the prime purpose of research
and yes i have a huge issue with that.

>scholarship and gaining positions within institutions, which
>can lead to research grants is absolutely fundamental to our
>polyvocal movement against white supremacy.

im really curious about this,
tell us what his research has amounted to
where its been applied, and how his research grants have furthered the movement.
as much shit as he talks about obama not having done anything for black people
i really want to know how he earned that pedestal he's currently standing on
to be spouting this much vitriol

>im not planning an academic track - i plan to be working in
>the field

good luck bro. that's dope

>which is not to say thats everyone's path in life
>but im also at a research institute where the majority of the
>research
>especially public health related research often feels like
>research for research sake

it kind of is, but quality research that gains traction will eventually affect policy. I think we're FINALLY getting some traction in the debate around the Prison Industrial Complex, because of the very research work that Make Davis did in City of Quartz, Angela Davis did in Are Prison's Obsolete, and Parenti did Lock Down America and recently Michelle Alexander has with The New Jim Crow.

alongside the grassroots work of groups like Books Not Bars and the many local prison pen pal program, 20 years of research has brought us here, and I'm sure at the time many felt it was research for research sake.

same could be said about struggles around the environment, public school education, or something like cancer research

>not much implementation being done=- which is the prime
>purpose of research
>and yes i have a huge issue with that.
>
we agree.

>>scholarship and gaining positions within institutions, which
>>can lead to research grants is absolutely fundamental to our
>>polyvocal movement against white supremacy.
>
>im really curious about this,
>tell us what his research has amounted to
>where its been applied, and how his research grants have
>furthered the movement.
>as much shit as he talks about obama not having done anything
>for black people
>i really want to know how he earned that pedestal he's
>currently standing on
>to be spouting this much vitriol

i feel what I stated above, is part of what Dr. West is a part of. That's no small thing in my book. there is no shame in the Academic life and making sure certain voices and content are present within institutions, especially when they (university administrations) are trying to eradicate any critical classes around race, class, sex, gender, and power.

which is what im looking for,
im not at all dismissing the fact that there has been a lot of progressive work done
i have quite a few phd friends whose work focuses on research on black issues
the person that got me interested in public health is a black woman
who remains the most educated person i know
(this even with me being at hopkins... she's still hands down the most qualified person i know working in public health- she teaches at ucla)
i was recently luckly to hear dr camara jones speak and im excited that she is soon to
be the president of the american public health association
because she brings some much needed perspective on social determinants of health (e.g neighbourhood, income etc)
but im also stating that there's also a tendency for some scholars to merely focus on scholarship for scholarships sake
(or rather for their own personal advancement sake)
which is okay in and of itself- not everyone has to pick up the bags
but for someone that is very critical and vitriolic about what others have 'done'
then its only fair we ask the same of them

so im asking, wtf has west done that has earned him that stool hes perched on?


>>im not planning an academic track - i plan to be working in
>>the field
>
>good luck bro. that's dope

im not a bro

>it kind of is, but quality research that gains traction will
>eventually affect policy. I think we're FINALLY getting some
>traction in the debate around the Prison Industrial Complex,
>because of the very research work that Make Davis did in City
>of Quartz, Angela Davis did in Are Prison's Obsolete, and
>Parenti did Lock Down America and recently Michelle Alexander
>has with The New Jim Crow.

quite a lot of research does not get translated into policy
and mainly becuase researchers do not plan/advocate for this to happen
its not enough to just put out a piece of work and wait for someone to bite
it takes additional work to get it out into the policy space
and i have much respect for those that do that and do it well
its why im in this field
and why i plan to be out there- not just chasing grants but doing policy-relevant work


>i feel what I stated above, is part of what Dr. West is a part
>of.

i disagree
and i have a lot of respect for many black intellectuals whose work has shaped even my view of african american contemporary space

That's no small thing in my book. there is no shame in the
>Academic life and making sure certain voices and content are
>present within institutions, especially when they (university
>administrations) are trying to eradicate any critical classes
>around race, class, sex, gender, and power.

i agree
but i also dont give a blanket pass to every black scholar out there
some have been taking us steps backwards
i'll give tomas sowell as an example

>but im also stating that there's also a tendency for some
>scholars to merely focus on scholarship for scholarships sake

I am not bothered by that. sorry you are. I only care if the scholarship sucks

>(or rather for their own personal advancement sake)
>which is okay in and of itself- not everyone has to pick up
>the bags
>but for someone that is very critical and vitriolic about what
>others have 'done'
>then its only fair we ask the same of them
>
I disagree. social antagonist are needed. I mean I can only imagine some of the critiques that would be lobbied at Martin and Malcolm in today's diminished politically cognizant climate. And for the love of the universe I AM NOT comparing what Dr. West is doing to them. just the idea of voicing a harsh public opinion against establishment

>so im asking, wtf has west done that has earned him that stool
>hes perched on?
>
research, teach, and advocate for social justice on television. that's it. if that's not enough for you, you have every right to be critical of him
>
>>>im not planning an academic track - i plan to be working in
>>>the field
>>
>>good luck bro. that's dope
>
>im not a bro
>
well fuck it, have a terrible time achieving your goal... WTF


>quite a lot of research does not get translated into policy
>and mainly becuase researchers do not plan/advocate for this
>to happen

no shit. that's kind of my point. doesn't mean "we" don't research.

>its not enough to just put out a piece of work and wait for
>someone to bite
>it takes additional work to get it out into the policy space
>and i have much respect for those that do that and do it well
>its why im in this field
>and why i plan to be out there- not just chasing grants but
>doing policy-relevant work
>
again, I hope you achieve this goal. we need intelligent committed folk initiating progressive and radical projects

>i agree
>but i also dont give a blanket pass to every black scholar out
>there
>some have been taking us steps backwards
>i'll give tomas sowell as an example

i'd add shelby steele, stanley couch, jason mcwhorter, dr. boyd etc, as there are plenty of them.

>>>good luck bro. that's dope
>>
>>im not a bro
>>
>well fuck it, have a terrible time achieving your goal... WTF

im female, not a bro

and it's nothing about how you type it's literally the Akon username and i see the singer

akon is my middle name - different pronunciation though
so no L here

we agree on principal.
the only issue here is that i want to hold cornell to a higher standard.

on obama
and exactly how is this moving the black intellectual cause
he comes across as petty, and seems to lash out to anyone who disagrees with him. pathetic

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”
“a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
It’s like you’re looking for John Coltrane and you get Kenny G in brown skin.

and note the emphasis on race. i mean wtf?
im all for critique, but this is not it
he even questions obama's blackness. shit is personal

He’s set back progressive movements. He’s set back prophetic possibilities in black America.
“What I hear is that, ‘He pimped us.’ I heard that a zillion times. ‘He pimped us, brother West.’”
President Obama is a global George Zimmerman
But in 2012, West says he didn’t even vote. “I couldn’t vote for a war criminal,” he said, calling Obama’s administration a “drone presidency.”
You got these black leaders on the Obama plantation, won’t say a criminal word about the master in the big house. Will only try to tame the field folk so that they’re not critical of the master in the

on melissa harris perry
"She's become the momentary darling of liberals, but I pray for her because she's in over her head," West said. "She's a fake and a fraud. I was so surprised how treacherous the sister was."
“I love Brother Mike Dyson… but we’re living in a society where everybody is up for sale” West told Goodman. “Everything is up for sale. And he and Brother Sharpton and Sister Melissa and others, they have sold their souls for a mess of Obama pottage. And we invite them back to the black prophetic tradition after Obama leaves. But at the moment, they want insider access, and they want to tell those kind of lies. They want to turn their back to poor and working people.”
“I think that it’s been decrepit though, brother. I mean, you get a focus on some of the upper middle class folk. I mean, what I call the ‘rent-a-negro’ phenomenon on MSNBC…'” West answered.

i want to know what trenches he's been on while everyone else has been failing at being progressive

i just feel some times folk come at Dr. West just because he critiquing Obama

these assessments are fair

and I don't think he's been in the trenches anymore than any of them: especially not Sharpton, MHP or Mike, but I really don't rock with Mike intellectually. his scholarship is very opportunistic and under researched

im not rocking for him at all
but i would expect criticque of a colleagues' work to merit some element of respect
west does not do this at all
how you gon call someone a fake and a fraud? wtf?
or is this the crabs in a barrel movement that west is moving?

>i just feel some times folk come at Dr. West just because he
>critiquing Obama

i have issues with west beyond his critique of obama
i read race matters as part of a class
and wrote an essay about how unimpressed i was
i saw him speak while i was at chapel hill
wasnt at all impressed then either.
so its really more than that
but when it comes to his obama issues?
it makes it even harder to take his work seriously

what gives him the right?
a phd?

even as a scholar he's fallen short

His most noteworthy book is "race matters" which breaks no new ground in the area of race and race-relations


>he teaches.
>he preaches.
>he had a nationwide bus tour EXPRESSLY to bring attention to
>the poor.

Which was useless - WTF purpose did that serve? I mean really
>
>but you want an actually organization of which he is the
>head?

what grassroots movement has he spear-headed? If he's going to label himself a "public intellectual," then he has to do more than just speak and make tv appearances talking abt problems that have been *talked* abt ad nauseam...now's the time for solutions

I'll wait.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

vIew our history in America...something I've never heard West talk abt but it's understandable since he is a Christian

And lastly, cease w/the name-calling dude, I haven't call you a name so I be damn if I let you do it to me - if you can't respond to me respectfully then don't respond to me at all..or else I can take it there w/you if that's what you want.

It's no wonder you support Cornel West smh


>I'll wait.
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>wonder what bin's doing?
>http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

And for the record, you are a:

Bitch ass
Hoe ass
Sniveling
Mouth breathing
Knuckle dragging
Crust in your eye having
Troglodyte.

Cry abt it. Ive been clowning you asshats for over 15 yrs. Can't stand the heat, gtfo the kitchen


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

>And for the record, you are a:
>
>Bitch ass
>Hoe ass
>Sniveling
>Mouth breathing
>Knuckle dragging
>Crust in your eye having
>Troglodyte.
>
>Cry abt it. Ive been clowning you asshats for over 15 yrs.
>Can't stand the heat, gtfo the kitchen

Yeah it's cool to talk shit on the internet because if you dared tried to even say anything above I would smack the the teeth out of your mouth...but it's cool tho

Because I see you're really just a silly little dude to me

Lemme know when you come to town. I'll be more then happy to come to you, say everything I just did and then laugh really hard. Right in your bitch ass grill.

Smooches, boo. Please lemme know if you wanna discuss our mutual interest in reparations.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

a back-and-forth w/you over the Internet because I KNOW you wouldn't fix your mouth to say not one disrespectful word in my face....

But only COWARD talks shit from behind a computer screen



>Lemme know when you come to town. I'll be more then happy to
>come to you, say everything I just did and then laugh really
>hard. Right in your bitch ass grill.
>
>Smooches, boo. Please lemme know if you wanna discuss our
>mutual interest in reparation.

Nah, I already told you that's for stupid ppl who obviously want to waste time...so go right ahead..
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>wonder what bin's doing?
>http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

from rigorous intellectual work for free? scholars gotta eat too

>even as a scholar he's fallen short
>
>His most noteworthy book is "race matters" which breaks no new
>ground in the area of race and race-relations
>
LOL. you haven't read a damn thing you god damn liar. I still will never forget how O_E embarrassed you a few years ago, when you tried to talk shit about Dr. Marable writing about Malcolm.

you stay verbose and wrong

take a seat Alan Keyes

and i am very appreciative of books by black scholars
some of whom you mentioned
so im not t all dismissive of scholastic achievement.

but the criticism of c.west stands in my ipinion

>LOL. you haven't read a damn thing you god damn liar. I still
>will never forget how O_E embarrassed you a few years ago,
>when you tried to talk shit about Dr. Marable writing about
>Malcolm.

i dont know about what beef y'all seem to have
but im definitely most appreciative of marable's writings
and especially his seminal work on x

you good.

Where is his economic/political philosophy manifesto for the group he claims to be speaking for and to?...

I have talked w/Cornel West in the early 90s abt Dubois and it wasn't hard to recognize despite all his eloquence that he has intellectual limitations (to which he essentially admitted) and he symbolizes the "crisis of the negro intellectual" because he isn't writing abt any new ideals or breaking ground for future scholars to follow behind...which is why he's (and Dyson) still rehashing old subjects like MLK (as if we need another book written on King)

He attacks every part of the public square (the educational system/economic system and labor inequalities/political system that continues to try and disenfranchise blk ppl and other minority groups)....except one I notice: the Judeo-Christian religious system because he is a Christian/minister which makes a lot of his critique of America's social ills fundamentally incomplete.


>from rigorous intellectual work for free? scholars gotta eat
>too
>
>>even as a scholar he's fallen short
>>
>>His most noteworthy book is "race matters" which breaks no
>new
>>ground in the area of race and race-relations
>>
>LOL. you haven't read a damn thing you god damn liar.

What a simple-minded troll you continue to show yourself to be smh

>I still
>will never forget how O_E embarrassed you a few years ago,
>when you tried to talk shit about Dr. Marable writing about
>Malcolm.

Yeah ok - and I still sand by what I said in that post and abt Malcolm in general: Manning Marble didn't reveal ANYTHiNG new in the *2nd book* on Malcolm that he's written. Most ppl (like you, I'm sure) are victims of "personality worship" when it comes to Malcolm...because he didn't espouse anything that hadn't been discussed or written abt before him...he was also incredibly sexist...not to mention, most ppl still revere the fiery Malcolm instead of the man (El Hajj Malik Shabazz) who we didn't get to see fully evolve...

Malcolm didn't write not one book in his life...he only gave speeches and many of them were not only hate-filled towards white ppl but towards other blk leaders, namely King, who didn't share his views...even he later regretted some of the language he used towards both blks and well-meaning whites.
>
>you stay verbose and wrong

and I'm glad you seem to keep track w/me on these boards because that explains why you keep trollin me because I have no idea WTF you are...

making such vitriolic comments publicly abt Obama that he has NEVER said abt anyone else or any institution that even some of his supporters thought he was saying some of the things he said out of a feeling of being disrespected...and allowing the GOP to exploit his comments via the media and use them as the perfect proxy against Obama


>hes been talking abt the same issues since the 80s...what
>will he discuss after barrys out of office? the same issues.
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>wonder what bin's doing?
>http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

no foul breath, just facts.

Yall may now go back to being adults.

w/o regard for whether it actually stinks.

>w/o regard for whether it actually stinks.

first place right? Obama is the closest its going to get. A dark skinned brother named Leroy Johnson that actually grew up on the south side of Chicago is never getting anywhere near the white house, lol

I do feel like he's been spending a bit too much time on Obama in recent times (it can come off petty and personal even tho he's right most of the time), but he exemplifies to me what being a Christian or just a straight up good human being is all about. Wisdom in spades.

I'd vote for him

on Obama and use him as bait and then run to a jive turkey like David Letterman and talk crazy.

he makes sense however his tripping on Obama is played to the ninth.

In other words, two things that ain't happening.

I ran a PTO at a charter school in Baltimore for two years...I can feel Obama's pain. Your constituency doesn't come out to support you, and in order for you to get things done, you have to deal with white folks who have all the money and little interest in the day to day plight of your children.