the hand on the top is better than the hand on the bottom

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/x3bz0k/common

is this show business or "we made it" talking?

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I'm just curious...

and it's SO fucking goofy too.

smh

I just don't get what's on their minds.

Common is tripping hard.

like Kiese Laymon, Junot Diaz, and Sherman Alexie who are ALWAYS like white people y'all terrible, eat a dick.

maybe it's easier for them because as authors they aint in the limelight like actors and musicians, where their paper would really get fucked up

>like Kiese Laymon, Junot Diaz, and Sherman Alexie who are
>ALWAYS like white people y'all terrible, eat a dick.

agreed. I'd also add Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, and there are women writers who say it all the time...

>maybe it's easier for them because as authors they aint in the
>limelight like actors and musicians, where their paper would
>really get fucked up


True. I'm sure black folk in Hollywood are saying it. But they know if they say it loudly, they aren't working....

exactly !!

and several let hooks to the jaw and rib section preferably....

And who says I can't do that w/love in my heart (and fist)

and he is also an Oscar winner.

note: i like to bring up Academy Award winners Three 6 Mafia whenever appropriate.

>and he is also an Oscar winner.
>
>note: i like to bring up Academy Award winners Three 6 Mafia
>whenever appropriate.


lol

We stay hood in the south. We don't know no other way.

not really..just wanted to say it.

God bless America, home of the brave
We ain't picking cotton no more but we're still slaves
They talk about peace, but how that's gon' be
When police leaving young niggas dead in the street
When niggas start shooting back, how they gon' act
And they wonder why a nigga stay strapped
They wonder why we trap, for real, real niggas don't rat
Black man, born with a target on his back
Standing with his hands up, screaming "Don't shoot!"
Biggest gang in America, the boys in blue
Now we gon' ride, now we gon' loot
Cause that black man could have been me or you - Juicy J "Don't Shoot'

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

I'm here waiting now.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

>I'm here waiting now.
>
>~ ~ ~
>All meetings end in separation
>All acquisition ends in dispersion
>All life ends in death
>- The Buddha
>
>|\_/|
>='_'=
>
>Every hundred years, all new people

Mmmm

that's a good look :-)

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Silentduck.jpg

I love a man who knows how to duckyhead a girl!

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

or so i'm told. lol

you sessy thing you

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

just don't have a billy club in your other hand

I acknowledge my sovereign. :-)

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

But if you say racism is solved
I'll slap the kufi off your head woman
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

each one teach one, and all that

*hugs you back*

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

he ain't too far gone yet. YET.

Maybe it's just a bad week for light skin niggas... with the whole cyclone in Vanuatu and everything.
___________________________________________________________


DJTB YOMM

John Legend ain't on this crap
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

I feel like John is the one dude that won't let us down. He seems like a bastion of common sense, always has.

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DJTB YOMM

Racism debate is taking a HUGE 'L' this week

first time I met Common he had on camo gear at the Million Man March

Next time he had on crochet pants and a bedazzled shirt when he was fuckin with Eyrka.

and now... smh.

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>the hand on the top is better than the hand on the bottom
>
>http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/x3bz0k/common
>
>is this show business or "we made it" talking?

It's the 2015 cism that many are incredulous that is not only in place, but white america continues to deny:

When you've got 75% of the ENTIRE population Ferguson walking around with fucking bench warrants giving cops extra impunity to do what they do for silly shit like traffic tickets and jay walking.

Although I guess when you're new black, your immune to the rest of the problems black people face...those tickets automatically disappear, lol

>Although I guess when you're new black, your immune to the
>rest of the problems black people face...those tickets
>automatically disappear, lol

racism.

like:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387630/Racist-shop-girl-said-I-afford-24-000-handbag-says-billionaire-Oprah-Winfrey.html

The holding grudges keeps you bound to anger and freedom comes from forgiveness idea?


Idk about all dat.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

Civil rights movement abt?


>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

that's a pretty thorough bastardization of Dr. King's message and the point of the BCRM.

to respond non-violently to being violently attacked is essence what Common is saying by extending a hand (or even more extreme)

One of King's famous quotes was that "love is the only force that can transform an enemy into a friend"

In fact, King's message and strategy were far more passive than what Common said


>that's a pretty thorough bastardization of Dr. King's message
>and the point of the BCRM.
>

JK.

I am with Sowhat. I haven't seen the whole Common quote but it seems to suggest that it's in Black FOlks control to end racism by extended the hand of peace. I think that is wrong.

I think it's slightly different to say that extending love to racist is a key part of creating change but the operative action in ending Racism is an enemy's transforming into friends (i.e, racist stop being racist).



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

>JK.
>
> I am with Sowhat. I haven't seen the whole Common quote but
>it seems to suggest that it's in Black FOlks control to end
>racism by extended the hand of peace. I think that is wrong.

How else do you suggest we go abt ending racism then? By force...or do we wait around for those white ppl who are hostile to us to come around and see the error in their ways?
>
>
>I think it's slightly different to say that extending love to
>racist is a key part of creating change but the operative
>action in ending Racism is an enemy's transforming into
>friends (i.e, racist stop being racist).

"Slightly different" <---your words) suggests that there is a common thread in Common's message and Dr. Kings...Malcolm thought it was completely wrongheaded to think you could transform a sworn enemy into a friend
>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

MLK was not the polite house negro they talk about every February.

there is nothing passive about MLK.

he used non-violent resistance as a tactic
because it was the most effective tactic we could utilize.

in spite of what fox news and white washed history books tell you,
MLK's dream was not about the day his children could hang out with white ppl.

his dream was for a war on poverty thay united Blacks and poor white ppl.

his dream about america making good on rhetoric about all ppl being equal.

his dream was about all of us learning to love our neighbor...
and to want for our brothers and sisters what we want for ourselves...
so much so that we are willing to sacrafice our lives, just as he did,
to fight against the powerful forces that keep us divided amongst ourselves. (us meaning all of humanity, not just black ppl).



you are making MLK sound like a coon.

he wasn't that.

>to respond non-violently to being violently attacked is
>essence what Common is saying by extending a hand (or even
>more extreme)
>
>One of King's famous quotes was that "love is the only force
>that can transform an enemy into a friend"
>
>In fact, King's message and strategy were far more passive
>than what Common said
>
>
>>that's a pretty thorough bastardization of Dr. King's
>message
>>and the point of the BCRM.
>>
>

mischaracterizing King and his non-violent methods

Seriously

Go read "Where do we to from here" and get back to me


>MLK was not the polite house negro they talk about every
>February.


>
>there is nothing passive about MLK.

Oh so not responding violently to ruthless violence isn't considered passive? Smh...there's none of us on this board who could've marched w/King if it required we remain non-violent while white ppl hit/spit and spray you w/a water hose...yeah that's far from passive
>
>he used non-violent resistance as a tactic
>because it was the most effective tactic we could utilize.

WRONG again - all the men around him said non-violence was not just a political and social strategy against racist white southerners but a *moral* weapon as well....Andrew Young has said in numerous interviews that that's what separated him from the rest of his "disciples," in that he believed in non-violence as a way of life ....but Young said for he and others it was more of a pragmatic strategy
>
>in spite of what fox news and white washed history books tell
>you,
>MLK's dream was not about the day his children could hang out
>with white ppl.

Ok...not true again but since you think you have true insight on what King stood for, I'll let you go right and be wrong (again)
>
>his dream was for a war on poverty thay united Blacks and poor
>white ppl.

That was part of a broader plan that he got involved with in the latter part of his public life...it wasn't like he all of a sudden became a separatist during this period though. His core principlesUpdating inventory were very much the same...which was in face of violence you have to meet it w/non-violence/love

>his dream about america making good on rhetoric about all ppl
>being equal.
>
>his dream was about all of us learning to love our
>neighbor...
>and to want for our brothers and sisters what we want for
>ourselves...
>so much so that we are willing to sacrafice our lives, just as
>he did,
>to fight against the powerful forces that keep us divided
>amongst ourselves. (us meaning all of humanity, not just black
>ppl).
>
>
>
>you are making MLK sound like a coon.

Bye, dude smfh

>
>he wasn't that.

>>
>

>

>

of a person's intelligence and ability to reason

I've won my last 3.

to prove how smart/intelligent/reasonable you are




>I've won my last 3.

So hell yeah.

my buddy works as a PD in L.A. county and dude walked the first FOURTEEN clients he had. i know you can appreciate that as a defense attorney given the shit case load PDs get. he has a tough case right now, some kid (about 16) facing conspiracy to commit murder. lawdhamerzee.

King was far more media savvy than we give him credit for

messages and actions, so no.

Some folks here just relish bitterness and hopelessness, I guess.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkAZuUaxMdw

go ask your target barista

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

>
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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>>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your
>right."
>

he's really not gonna answer....

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

We havent collectively risen and Nat Turner'd anyone.

We havent said fuck you wont even stick our tongue out at the beast.

Common can kiss my ass.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de6VnExhelQ

Presenting Collective Peace.

https://www.facebook.com/CollectivePeace

change is not going to come from the efforts of white people (although there are some that are genuinely trying), so black folks need to stop expecting it. Extend a hand my ass. How can any black man utter those words. Fuckin idiot.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

racism.

as opposed to, you know, racists not being racist.

i agree that forgiveness will be needed. but i disagree that forgiveness will end racism.

i also haven't seen all of Common's appearance on TDS.

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old problem...

How profound


>racism.
>
>as opposed to, you know, racists not being racist.
>
>i agree that forgiveness will be needed. but i disagree that
>forgiveness will end racism.
>
>i also haven't seen all of Common's appearance on TDS.

Thanks!

>Thanks!

>

Man, you read good.

>Man, you read good.

Yes, I do

that's not supposed to end racism?
what is this conversation even about then??

line of thinking per se, only that it was consistent w/King's approach to racism than let's say, Malcom X or Farrakhan

I only asked the question to Buddy

I know at heart I'm all for an eye-for-an-eye to fight racism

But King said the enduring power of love and not the fanciful and empty westernized idea of Love but that love which is the guiding and sustaining principle of the universe is how we will conquer hate/racism

Now whatever that means to you and all of us is the pressing question that needs answering


>that's not supposed to end racism?
>what is this conversation even about then??
>

Bless his heart.

boy Jo who confused himself w/distorting King's legacy

Common only "said" extend a hand to end racism, King embodied that belief and lived it

>

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Repentance means nothing if it is simply verbal with no steps taken to make amends and improve. In many cases, even the verbal threshold hasn't been crossed yet.

the sinning no more is the key part of that equation.

A lot of white ppl don't get it, so repentance would be disingenuous. For them to get it, they need to be open to hearing the truth. When you speak truth within the context of love, ie: Cornell West's usual MO, it has a better chance of penetrating because it doesn't send the defenses up.

But to digress, repentance is a funny word anyhow. The average white person will always have a hard time saying "I have sinned against you because I am white and I am sorry will you please forgive me?" I donno, maybe, but I'm not seeing it happening.

But we can be led to accept the notion of whiteness being an advantage, blackness a disadvantage, deep systemic racism having huge effects today, understand the erosive subtle racism, and the need to eventually somehow reject the concept or institution of Whiteness. We can be led to fight against the damage and lies that the myth of whiteness was invented to perpetuate.

I don't know too many serious people with any self dignity who will be like "I am so sorry for racism and whiteness, please forgive me black person." I don't think that would help anything. Not sure that was what's meant by repentance, but just in case. That's probably very unrealistic and very few people would take someone seriously who said that.

I don't know why a person saying sorry for being white would be the logical conclusion to what I was saying, but I'll bite.

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

^^ notice this says nothing about those who have to depart being the cause of the hunger, thirst, or any of the need. At least, not in the first instance. There's definitely an inference though, that people are told to depart because, if they allow others to go hungry, thirsty, and ill, then they are responsible.

Not every white person is directly responsible for racism and its effects, but most have a hand in allowing it to continue, especially because you actually have Black people crying out for change, and I'm sorry, as whites do (or not do) to them, whites do to Jesus.

I apply the same logic here to the Maori and reparations. I've fully supported the process towards restorative justice and Maori being compensated for injustices suffered at the hands of Pakeha. I had no direct hand in it, neither did my ancestors who came to NZ way too late. But I see the need and I see the injustice and I know that (and you know what, I'm not even white) I've profited off of advantages I've gained in this environment that has been able to build at their expense. So I take on my share of that injustice and apply that to the way I vote and what causes I support. I don't even think that's enough in terms of what I could be contributing, but there appears to be a huge inability among many whites in America to even look further beyond repentance being uttering the words "I'm sorry for being white."

If the problem is that enormous again, I don't see that forgiveness needs to be offered first without repentance on the part of the other party.

you and some others meant "rependence" so I wasn't trying to put any words in mouths, just expressing that caveat in case.

You don't have to keep explaining yourself to people that want to parse and nitpick words and definitions to help justify a position.





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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

>You don't have to keep explaining yourself to people that
>want to parse and nitpick words and definitions to help
>justify a position.
>

But it speaks to his character if he's prepared to try hard to help people understand, rather than act like a child and call people names because he's incapable of explaining himself.

Guess he actually believes in trying to extend the olive branch, rather than just paying lip service to it for an agenda.

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.


MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving coon,
like you ppl make him out to be.

the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
fucking your neighbor over.

his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.

his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.

even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
militarized police force and demanding that injustices be made right.


the idea that his message was about forgiveness is disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the reasons the church is irrelevant in
young ppl's lives.

yes, i am bringing your faith into it.

because this bullshit you are talking now
pops up in every church i work with.

if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.

his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of injustice, either.
the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.

preacher.



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>.
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

well stated

everyone wants to think the church wasn't basically where everything was spread and communicated and acted upon in the Civil Rights Movement

Church bombings? Hello? the KKK being a Christian Org?

the movement away from the church being that soil for social change changed everything

all they do now is advocate against themselves under the guise of moral superiority and conservatism. throw in that bullshit ass prosperity preaching and megachurches and you now have folks focused on getting rich than helping others and themselves not be poor

i think Catholics try to be more active because priests take a vow of poverty but if it isn't greed, it's sex that will ultimately take a human down

>just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.
>
>
>MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
>he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving
>coon,
>like you ppl make him out to be.
>
>the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
>enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
>fucking your neighbor over.
>
>his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.
>
>his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
>and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.
>
>even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
>militarized police force and demanding that injustices be made
>right.
>
>
>the idea that his message was about forgiveness is
>disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the reasons
>the church is irrelevant in
>young ppl's lives.
>
>yes, i am bringing your faith into it.
>
>because this bullshit you are talking now
>pops up in every church i work with.
>
>if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
>jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.
>
>his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of
>injustice, either.
>the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.
>
>preacher.
>
>
>
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your
>right."
>

>just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.
>
>
>MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
>he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving
>coon,
>like you ppl make him out to be.
>
>the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
>enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
>fucking your neighbor over.
>
>his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.
>
>his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
>and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.
>
>even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
>militarized police force and demanding that injustices be made
>right.
>
>
>the idea that his message was about forgiveness is
>disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the reasons
>the church is irrelevant in
>young ppl's lives.
>
>yes, i am bringing your faith into it.
>
>because this bullshit you are talking now
>pops up in every church i work with.
>
>if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
>jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.
>
>his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of
>injustice, either.
>the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.
>
>preacher.
>
>


The Subject of forgiveness, the church, and MLK. Ohm and then you tired to throw Jesus in the the matter on the tail end. When in fact Jesus taught forgiveness, which is in fact based on the Love of God and was the first thing he asked God to do for those who crucified him " Father Forgive them, for they no not what they do."

Ind addition, Jesus taught his disciples to forgive those who offend you, harmed you, and wronged you. And when asked how many times, Jesus responded by telling his disciples up to 7 x's 70, which was a number that proved to forgiveness has not limit - even with injustice.


See, your rambling sounds good to the unlearned and biblically illiterate, but you are wrong.

But I'll go one further, MLK took on the non violent approach from Mahatma Gandhi, he took on the non violent approach from Jesus. Jesus' teaching is the foundation of the Church. So when you say Jesus would be ashamed you are not correct. Jesus would be proud of those who can forgive and move to the center of his teaching which included love and forgiveness.


And as for the relevance of the Church in young peoples lives, the topic forgiveness is not a factor that is not relative to the low numbers.
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

when you have something to say about gay ppl or transgender ppl
or kids listening to rap music or kids sagging their pants
or kids having sex or whatever else you wring your hands about,
you aren't meek at all.

you won't shut the fuck up about your christian morals
and how you will not stand silent.


but the mere thought of the church having a role of challenging ppl
WITH power now reveals a different case_one.
now you trott out the lines about the importance of eternal forgiveness.


you're all rah rah when it comes to
preaching at me temperance and sexual sin and all that bullshit.

but where is the church when the revolution needs some sh



okay, let me stop.

but if you've ever wondered why i think you are
hypocritical, fork tounged snake, that's why.


now tell me i'm the devil for telling the truth.
go ahead and take the last word if you want it, i'm out.

But check this out, I'm good on all the unneeded back and forth, fake me out debates and personal attacks. You can keep that to yourself.

If I were to stand on a single matter of sin, that's what I'm going to do, but that's not what I do. But if it was, that's not your business. I'm not obligated to meet your checklist of things to be discussed. I'm obligated to move my the Spirit and the burden. And love is not limited to,only dealing with what makes people feel good or comfortable. So please end the the personal digging and attacks because they're not necessary.

Nevertheless, I support Common and his perspective - which is just one of many. And he has a point.

Forgiveness is needed and it's not for the benefit of the offender, it's for the health of the offended. And when peopl couple that with the love of God real healing and change will take place.

God bless you. Have an amazing day.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

the nonviolence aspect of his beliefs was derived strictly from Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism.

wrong as usual.

he may have said nice things about jesus (like he did about every religion) but that about it.



>>just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.
>>
>>
>>MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
>>he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving
>>coon,
>>like you ppl make him out to be.
>>
>>the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
>>enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
>>fucking your neighbor over.
>>
>>his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.
>>
>>his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
>>and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.
>>
>>even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
>>militarized police force and demanding that injustices be
>made
>>right.
>>
>>
>>the idea that his message was about forgiveness is
>>disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the
>reasons
>>the church is irrelevant in
>>young ppl's lives.
>>
>>yes, i am bringing your faith into it.
>>
>>because this bullshit you are talking now
>>pops up in every church i work with.
>>
>>if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
>>jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.
>>
>>his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of
>>injustice, either.
>>the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.
>>
>>preacher.
>>
>>
>
>
>The Subject of forgiveness, the church, and MLK. Ohm and then
>you tired to throw Jesus in the the matter on the tail end.
>When in fact Jesus taught forgiveness, which is in fact based
>on the Love of God and was the first thing he asked God to do
>for those who crucified him " Father Forgive them, for they no
>not what they do."
>
>Ind addition, Jesus taught his disciples to forgive those who
>offend you, harmed you, and wronged you. And when asked how
>many times, Jesus responded by telling his disciples up to 7
>x's 70, which was a number that proved to forgiveness has not
>limit - even with injustice.
>
>
>See, your rambling sounds good to the unlearned and biblically
>illiterate, but you are wrong.
>
>But I'll go one further, MLK took on the non violent approach
>from Mahatma Gandhi, he took on the non violent approach from
>Jesus. Jesus' teaching is the foundation of the Church. So
>when you say Jesus would be ashamed you are not correct. Jesus
>would be proud of those who can forgive and move to the center
>of his teaching which included love and forgiveness.
>
>
>And as for the relevance of the Church in young peoples lives,
>the topic forgiveness is not a factor that is not relative to
>the low numbers.
>.
>.
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.


BAM, BAM, BAM!

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

the most forgiving people on the planet.

I would be LOSING MY DAMN mind if I were you.

Fuck that.

#firethistime


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

'can we help each other? can you try to help us b/c we're gonna help ourselves'.

(c) Common, paraphrased.

hellz.
no.

to stay in good gracious with hollywood.

They showing him alot of love right now he's not trying to eff up that future money.

But any fool knows that that line of thinking is naive and ineffective on many levels.

>to stay in good gracious with hollywood.
>
>They showing him alot of love right now he's not trying to eff
>up that future money.
>
>But any fool knows that that line of thinking is naive and
>ineffective on many levels.

people prefer over a cooperative mindset to further understanding and increase cohesion between different groups.

>people prefer over a cooperative mindset to further
>understanding and increase cohesion between different groups.
>
I think part of it starts with acknowledgement of both sides of a f*cked up systemic system. Then talk about solutions.

Allowing the person you want to hear you to be dismissive to the premise of the problem solves nothing. There's no productive discussion that can come from that. Youre just spinning wheels.

I mean it's unclear and I can understand your inference, but how much drilling about the wrongs can be productive? On the flipside, there are a lot of clueless ass white people who are still pretty nonchalant about racism and the legacy thereof. So I guess there has to be a balance of browbeating and looking forward.

>I mean it's unclear and I can understand your inference, but
>how much drilling about the wrongs can be productive? On the
>flipside, there are a lot of clueless ass white people who are
>still pretty nonchalant about racism and the legacy thereof.
>So I guess there has to be a balance of browbeating and
>looking forward.

I was just pushing the conversation forward. Just general discussion.

I work around and interact with white people everyday and im cool with them for the most part.

But there are injustices going on in this country everyday that they don't have to think about that i do.

And no i wouldn't browbeat a person into agreeing with me but its silly to think black folks initiating handshakes will have any impact on eradicating racism. And i thought that was what Common was implying, even if he was just trying to be pc.

white people.
BLACK FOLKS were the ones weeping uncle tom tears at the mere suggestion of that by dead prez
and y'all agree with this fuck shit that we need to extend our hand in love??
you motherfuckers make me damn sick

our protests be meek as all fuck (hands up, sit in, die in, etc)
the fuck y'all want us to do
send our white neighbors gift cards to TGIFridays?
the fuck does that shit even mean extend our hand in love
fuck outta here common
and anybody who agrees
get the entire fuck out of here.

Stop demanding apologies and reparations. Move forward from where we are now today. Stop extending fists - extend our hands in love.

That shit only makes sense to multimillionaires who work primarily with non-black ppl and have lost their connection to everyday, regular ppl. They think that bc whitey doesn't call them nigger to their face all racism must be easily conquered if only everyone could live like them. I can't even make that shit up to ridicule it - it's that fucking ludicrous. I bet even Com from 10 yrs ago would roll his eyes - let alone Com from 20 yrs ago. He's clearly changed - he'd say grown. Poor thing.

at the sight of interracial relationships
i don't know this common smh
i shoulda known that nigga was on some other shit when he co-signed peta

i'm done with common...my like for him has dwindled the past few
years anyway. i'm done with him and anyone like him.

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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

>our protests be meek as all fuck (hands up, sit in, die in,
>etc)
>the fuck y'all want us to do
>send our white neighbors gift cards to TGIFridays?
>the fuck does that shit even mean extend our hand in love
>fuck outta here common


lol

Its hoe shit to say "lets forget about the past", especially when you know that shit is on repeat


Com is a smart-dumb nigga, but he AT LEAST HE should know that racism aint goin nowhere


a cop is going to shoot another black kid in some city within the next few hours, lets extend our love to him :/


Com minus well said 'Lets extend our love to white people thru White Jesus'


people would still defend him


fuck him, cornball

Peace, Love and Gap.

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And why are we surprised? He's been heading down this path for almost ten years now, but that's not an excuse for a black man to basically fault black people for being on the wrong end of institutionalized supremacy and having the brass to not take it smiling.

dude been spiraling downhill slowly every since....

>dude been spiraling downhill slowly every since....

*wipes eye*

w/ white girls on they arms
i be mad at 'em, as if I know they moms
told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
when we lessen our women our condition seem to worsen

evolved?
or was this that beginning?

i never quite knew how to figure if he was speaking for or against here....

verse. I was like hmmm

Favorite song on the album...btw

me too.

wasn't aware of the letterman interview-

i use big "conscious" words in my rhymes but i really aint that deep...

in a lot of their interviews when they r asked to expound on their political thought, they often make me cringe.... whereas the "hustle" rappers like Jay & 50 r way better at articulating concise ideas during their interviews... imo

>i use big "conscious" words in my rhymes but i really aint
>that deep...
>
>in a lot of their interviews when they r asked to expound on
>their political thought, they often make me cringe.... whereas
>the "hustle" rappers like Jay & 50 r way better at
>articulating concise ideas during their interviews... imo

>in a lot of their interviews when they r asked to expound on
>their political thought, they often make me cringe.... whereas
>the "hustle" rappers like Jay & 50 r way better at
>articulating concise ideas during their interviews... imo

that hip hop can end racism is so much better than this.

"It's a strong one," he warns of his opinion, before laying it out. "I think that hip hop has done more for racial relations than most cultural icons. Save Martin Luther King, because his dream speech we realized when President Obama got elected."

"It's very difficult to teach racism when your kid looks up to Snoop Doggy Dogg."

Before, people partied in separate clubs. There were hip-hop clubs and there were techno clubs," Jay-Z explains. "Now, people party together, and once you have people partying, dancing, and singing along to the same music, then conversations naturally happen after that."


i mean those are all such well thought ideas grounded in reality. *sarcasm*

Let me report from the inside for a sec, with regard to the "white realm" lol. Most convos I have with other white ppl about race, with no non-whites around...first of all, I personally hardly ever hear slurs or n-words (it feels shocking when I do, but I digress)...The most common thing you find is that there's a serious wall of racial defensiveness among even the most golden wonderful people which blocks a lot of critical tough aspects of the truth from being heard. Nobody (including each of you reading this) who has any amount of self worth, is going to give half a second of consideration to any notion that you're the villain or that your own pain doesn't count.

Whenever talking to white ppl about race, employed ppl about the unemployed, unemployed about undocumented, etc, I've always found it critical to first establish a sense of shared suffering or at least help someone see that they personally aren't automatically the villain.

If you care at all about white ppl acknowledging a fuller spectrum of racial injustice beyond "slavery was bad and its gone", its impossible to open anyone's mind if they themselves have to feel like the soulless enemy of the good people.

I know I'm opening my white ass to all kinds of cliche attacks and dismissals, and I probably didn't type shit with the same nuance that I think about it, but my general point is you have to feel accepted by the "good guys" to even entertain the notion of systemic favor/etc for ppl of your x-type, ESPECIALLY when a dozen other variables got you on the shit end of the stick. That's why its so much harder for broke ass white ppl to accept the notion of racism still existing than it is for well-to-do white ppl. That's why you got all these trailer park types voting against their own interests, while all these wealthy liberal Harvard types can accept the label of privilege with ease. The hurting white person is gonna flock to whichever side acknowledges their struggle and will harbor intense close-minded resentment toward anyone who suggests their fucked-over ass is the bad guy.

I get it
It sounds pandering frankly
And it's not like it's not something black folks gave had to do for centuries anyway just to survive

It feels like a step back to put that mask on of niceness to cater to white fragility

Also
I have noticed that black folks who try this approach
Or seem to take that "lets hear both sides" crap too far
IE:Obama, Oprah

Or just completely go over the edge
Cosby, Carson

In actuality don't actually get it

So yes I have the gas face for they don't want to be the bad guy
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

You're either bothered by white ignorance, denial and indifference to racial injustice or you're not.

If you are, I assume you want to reach white ppl. That doesn't mean tell them what they want to hear or change history to match the lies they were taught. I'm not talking about pandering, I'm talking about persuasion and genuine conversion.

You can't convert a closed mind. You can't browbeat a mind open. Change requires vulnerability. Vulnerability requires love. Common Sense

>You're either bothered by white ignorance, denial and
>indifference to racial injustice or you're not.


You don't seem to be, so you're right.

>If you are, I assume you want to reach white ppl. That doesn't
>mean tell them what they want to hear or change history to
>match the lies they were taught. I'm not talking about
>pandering, I'm talking about persuasion and genuine
>conversion.

I'm not so sure you are
You said it yourself the roots of denial are deep and yall never want to hear that. Now your saying don't change history? History has and continues to be manipulated

http://gizmodo.com/nypd-caught-editing-wikipedia-articles-on-police-brutal-1691267182/1691915415/+knibbs


But let's walk in and give them hugs?

Btw president Obama is actually doing this your way like I've said
His treatment has only gotten worse

>You can't convert a closed mind. You can't browbeat a mind
>open. Change requires vulnerability. Vulnerability requires
>love. Common Sense

Actually no not really
That's sparing the rod to spoil the child. The child remains spoilt with soft showing around sticky areas like we cpactually gave been doing as a country for decades. This HAS been the soft approach.
Great progress in the past 50 years
Republicans have managed to dial the clock BACK
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

But it makes sense, because you're probably more comfortable with resentment than results

#148 is right

White fragility is real
And catering to it
As HAS been done
No good can come of it except for what gas happened further denial further entrenchment and further coddling.
It's time for folks to finally grow up and face history, the present and the consequences.
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Pandering/coddling/agreeing-with-lies/ass-kissing

Vs

Persuasion/truth-telling/love


You crave a purely adversarial catharsis of smiting the bad race in a grand ejaculation of righteous juice.

That's a fantasy killing your ability to find justice.

But justice would then beg peace, which I don't think you can stomach.


And you completely twisted and flipped inside-out what I meant by the "changing history" line.

But I can see that being honest comes across to you as

"Adversarial, smithing, fantasy, killing"

You might want to work on that

And stop expecting me to do the work for you
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

You realize you are still arguing for yet another white pass
Calling it 'tactical' like it hasn't bern done and isn't being done

Nothing is being twisted
There is no "Adversarial, smithing, fantasy, killing"

This is you right here
Right now
Expecting us in here to do the work you clearly are not equipped or prepared to do

And since you aren't and cannot do this
With little to no understanding of history or the present of how black people have been dealing with racism

Yall are literally being dealt with with kid gloves
As toddlers
But no
Give us hugs and pats on the back

As if the current structure that give accolades
The current complaints about LBJ in Selma as 'untrue' he wasn't enough of a hero
Isn't enough of the most recent example
No
You say more!
More!

Dude
You cannot be taken seriously
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

White fragility in full bloom

Whitesplaining and derailing with education.

You basically said to LFresh if you want white people to chance stop being so mean.

Ugh
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talking about "them"

no mofo
YOU
YOUR DUMB ASS

take your 'ambassador' ass back to yt folks, YOUR folk and go tussle with them mofos
instead of sitting here tryna direct shit

white splainin ass moro


can you believe his ass girl?
the gall
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Stop making good white folk uncomfortable!

something is wrong with me
something is wrong with us
can't we see him trying?
look at him trying so patiently with lowly not understanding us
that angel
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

forgot the pillows and tissue
white tears flow so easily
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>You realize you are still arguing for yet another white pass
>Calling it 'tactical' like it hasn't bern done and isn't being
>done
:
Nope. When I speak to white people, I argue that racism is real, its NOT equal both ways, I try to explain how systemic shit works as well, how "past history" affects the present as well, how white privilege works.

I'm not advocating a pass.



>Right now
>Expecting us in here to do the work you clearly are not
>equipped or prepared to do
:
What work am I expecting you to do?


>And since you aren't and cannot do this
>With little to no understanding of history or the present of
>how black people have been dealing with racism
:
You have no blessed clue what I know or understand. Keep it on topic.


>Yall are literally being dealt with with kid gloves
>As toddlers
>But no
>Give us hugs and pats on the back
:
White people ARE being treated with kid gloves in a lot of ways. I totally agree. Particularly when it comes to hearing the truth and not some comfortable shit. Take someone like Cornel West for example (divisive figure that not everyone co-signs), but dude is constantly bringing up harsh truths for white people to accept, but he actually gets through to a lot of them because he also speaks in love.

White people ARE pandered to when it comes to racial issues. Pandering is not love. Common wasn't advocating that. And I'm just defending Commons train of thought, not standing here demanding or requesting y'all do anything. Just saying g "his words have tactical merit, because it can definitely help a lot of people open their minds"



>As if the current structure that give accolades
>The current complaints about LBJ in Selma as 'untrue' he
>wasn't enough of a hero
>Isn't enough of the most recent example
>No
>You say more!
>More!
:
When did I say more?


>Dude
>You cannot be taken seriously
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.

and never did.

its BEEN here
but "WE" are instructed to extend FURTHER
reach HARDER
because they don't get it
its OUR fault
WE just aint doing this right



right
sure
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

White folks get to decide on what terms the issues are approached with the comfort of knowing they have veto power if the approach isn't Goldilocks levels of just right.

Sounds like a plan to construct another in a long assembly line of shiftable goalposts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/17/racist-gun-show-targets_n_6888356.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047

more black people want racism to end than whites

like i said, the hand on the top is better than the hand on the bottom

>Let me report from the inside for a sec, with regard to the
>"white realm" lol.

And let me report from REALITY (I wish there was an extra caps):

Black folks *know* about what you're "reporting." How? Because White folks show and tell you how and what they think, how and what they wish, how and what they want, in so many ways.

We get it.

Again. From REALITY. Not from Black people land.

REALITY.

>The most common thing you
>find is that there's a serious wall of racial defensiveness
>among even the most golden wonderful people which blocks a lot
>of critical tough aspects of the truth from being heard.

In REALITY, people see that. Get that. Understand. Not news.

So send a message, from REALITY, to White folks:

It might be helpful if White people worked on their racial defensiveness instead of asking the people they've oppressed to help them feel good and comfortable as a pre-condition for taking responsibility for their OWN actions, feelings, and perceptions.

>Nobody (including each of you reading this) who has any amount
>of self worth, is going to give half a second of consideration
>to any notion that you're the villain or that your own pain
>doesn't count. Whenever talking to white ppl about race, employed ppl about the unemployed, unemployed about undocumented, etc, I've
>always found it critical to first establish a sense of shared >suffering or at least help someone see that they personally
>aren't automatically the villain.

The suffering isn't shared. The suffering isn't the same. The suffering isn't "equal." The suffering isn't "like something else." The suffering isn't the kind of suffering that Whites and Blacks can "commiserate about," Beer Summit style.

In REALITY, what's critical to healing the wounds of injustice (for the oppressor and the oppressed) is the capacity for those who've *committed injustice* to empathize.

First.

Not ask those who've been oppressed to try to "understand" that the oppressor suffers, too. Not help the oppressor feel better.

Empathy is a choice one makes, on their own. It's not conditional or dependent on the behavior of others. That's why it's such a powerful phenomena.

But to empathize is too much like right; it may imply, from the beginning, that one demonstrates a willingness to take responsibility for the fact that it's possible that one could discover they've done wrong and should do something to make amends

In REALITY, people are usually empathetic because they CARE.

If someone's angry with me, an empathetic response doesn't ask them to not be angry.

Empathy is a hard thing to choose.

Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not asking White folks to have empathy, nor am I interested in "helping" them to be empathetic. Because if one can't muster up the common decency of empathy? Helping them is not my job, my place, my calling...

In REALITY, I think the system works because some Whites (well meaning, even) feel there's no reason to be empathetic or that empathy isn't an appropriate response.

>If you care at all about white ppl acknowledging a fuller
>spectrum of racial injustice beyond "slavery was bad and its
>gone", its impossible to open anyone's mind if they themselves
>have to feel like the soulless enemy of the good people.

I can't speak for all Black people.

Personally, I don't care if White people acknowledge a fuller spectrum of ANYTHING.

I don't want acknowledgment. I don't need to feel good. I don't care if White people feel good. I don't need an apology. I don't care if people's minds are open or not. I don't want to help people open their minds who know exactly what they're doing but plead ignorance as a way of propagating the very bullshit they deny.

Justice. Do the right thing. Stop actively and passively supporting and re-inforcing this oppressive, exploitative, violent, racist system.

Stop.

And guess what? We'll probably all feel better.

> but my general point is you have
>to feel accepted by the "good guys" to even entertain the
>notion of systemic favor/etc for ppl of your x-type

No. No you don't.

>The hurting white person is gonna
>flock to whichever side acknowledges their struggle and will
>harbor intense close-minded resentment toward anyone who
>suggests their fucked-over ass is the bad guy.

I recommend empathy, among other things.

Fucked over people can be racist. That's not difficult to see.

It's not about White folks and how White folks hurt--not like that.

It's about the people White folks (or rather the system White folks established and benefit from) have committed some injustice against.

To be empathetic humanizes "the other" and oneself.

The question isn't: oh but are Black people empathetic, too?

The key to empathy: can I see MYSELF in the another?

White folks, well meaning or otherwise, consistently send the message, in REALITY: NO.

Because as you've explained to us, so wonderfully, Black folks haven't made a "case" to be considered through an empathetic lens. There's always a reason: stop shouting, don't be so angry, don't blame, it's just a joke, people are misunderstanding, I'm suffering too blah blah.

That's an ignorant mindset and a perfect ingredient for racism and abuse of power, in my mind.

White folks shouldn't let Black folks stop them from being empathetic. And they should definitely stop making excuses for why they choose to not be empathetic.

I can't help White people with *anything* because helping my own is a full time job. And if White folks were more empathetic, they'd get that and likely be ashamed that such a "request" would come out of their mouths.

White people should absolutely stop blaming those who they oppress for their lack of empathy.

And absolutely absolutely stop telling the people they oppress that *their* needs and *their* version of the world is the one we must accept.

>>Let me report from the inside for a sec, with regard to the
>>"white realm" lol.
>
>And let me report from REALITY (I wish there was an extra
>caps):
>
>Black folks *know* about what you're "reporting." How? Because
>White folks show and tell you how and what they think, how and
>what they wish, how and what they want, in so many ways.
>
>We get it.
>
>Again. From REALITY. Not from Black people land.
>
>REALITY.
:
Chill the entire fuck out. I wasn't claiming to know some secrets and shit trying to build bridges while you sit here trying to start beef over parsed words.

In reality, everything you typed below is so steeped in flame-throwing, emo-pandering, applause-whoring, non-comprehending, hairsplitting, forest-missing, tree fighting, punching-bag bootleg kung-fu style, straw man, battle-winning, keyboard venting, soft target catharsis seeking, bovine dung that I probably can't even converse with you if I punched myself in the face with your glory.

But real quick:

I never said everyone's suffering is equal. Certainly would never claim that being white brings equal BS as being black. That's dumb and you should know better. Or read better.

Because I also put the word "or" after the mention of suffering, because my point wasn't hinging on the idea of shared suffering of, say, exploited/intimidated broke white servants to african slaves, etc...the point wasn't dependent on that at ALL. Thus "or"

On empathy: No bloody fuckin shit. Everything you said. No fucking shit. Sherlock Holmes, ladies and gentlemen.

One critical little mind-blowing detail though: empathy requires actually being aware of the bad thing in the first place. Being aware of the bad thing requires being open to the truth. Acknowledging the truth requires HEARING the truth teller. How can anybody empathize about something they're ignorant about? If you don't believe white people are truly ignorant about the level of racial injustice that persists today, then I AM filling you in on SL!e shit you don't sarcastically know from "reality".

White ppl are largely ignorant because they were taught differently and (just like you) aren't about to spend 3 seconds listening to someone tell them they're the scourge of the planet. So they remain in a bubble of delusion and misunderstanding. I'm talking about penetrating that bubble. You flame me like Im talking about penetrating your mother. Penetrate yourself.

So many black people have asked me time and again why do I even subject myself to these issues and convos. I'm basically just a cheap punching bag unless I turn my spine completely off. White ppl need to give a shit. You make it incredibly unlikely most ever will. You fucking wouldn't.

>One critical little mind-blowing detail though: empathy
>requires actually being aware of the bad thing in the first
>place.

I tried, in my response, to make you aware of the "bad thing."

>Being aware of the bad thing requires being open to the
>truth.

You don't seem open.

And that's okay. It really is.

Most White people aren't.

The world keeps spinning.

>Acknowledging the truth requires HEARING the truth teller.

I spoke.

>How can anybody empathize about something they're ignorant about?

It can be uncomfortable, yes.

But understanding isn't a pre-requisite for being empathetic. Empathy, in fact, helps one *to* understand. Find their way.

>If you don't believe white people are truly ignorant about the ?>level of racial injustice that persists today, then I AM filling >you in on SL!e shit you don't sarcastically know from "reality".

I think "White ignorance" is a willed, chosen, misinterpretation that Whites have about the world and their OWN actions and thoughts, which attempt to reinforce the benefits of White supremacists power dynamics, often enjoyed because others suffer.

Read: "I thought he had a gun."

Well. No. No s/he didn't.

In REALITY.

>White ppl are largely ignorant because they were taught
>differently and (just like you) aren't about to spend 3
>seconds listening to someone tell them they're the scourge of
>the planet.

Taught different? For sure.

Not just like me.

I *will* listen to someone tell me I'm awful and bad and the scourge of the planet. Perfectly fine to do so. I'm an American....there's an earful and a half out there about me.

But maybe navigating receiving negative feedback and processing it, has to do with how *I* was raised. I had a Mama and a Daddy and uncles and aunts who would tell me about myself at the drop of a dime. I have experience navigating it.

>So they remain in a bubble of delusion and misunderstanding.

That's unfortunate.

>I'm talking about penetrating that bubble.

Me, too. I have little hope that it can happen.

Reality, again.

>So many black people have asked me time and again why do I
>even subject myself to these issues and convos.

I don't know those Black people.

Me? I'm Black.

And I assumed that you were making a comment because you were interested, in some way, in bridging the racial divide. Assumed.

Of course, I can't say for sure what your motivations were.

I gave you my feedback because your comments indicated that you didn't understand something about the nature of the racial divide.

I would think you'd be interested in someone saying that you were wrong or misunderstood as you were ironically informing "us" that we were.

>I'm basically just a cheap punching bag unless I turn my spine >completely off.

It sounds like listening to my kind of feedback makes you feel powerless.

Please also understand re: that kind of feedback-- it's not about you.

>White ppl need to give a shit.

Mmm. I don't know. I guess. I don't know if that's the answer.

How hard is it not to, say, shoot unarmed Black people who haven't committed a crime?

I think White people need to come to terms with the possibility that it's not in their interests or to their benefit to give much of a "shit." And that they choose to not give a "shit" and are happy enough with the payoff and how dehumanizing that can be.

>You make it incredibly unlikely most ever will.

Again.

I hope that White folks will cease and desist with the lie that Black folks' behaviors or thoughts (accurately perceived or not by White folks) have anything to do with their own humanity, moral compass, or sense of in/justice.

It's an awful excuse.

You initiate our back-and-forth with all kinds of hostility, then talk about you're trying to teach me something that I'm not open to. Yeah, nothing you said is news, and nobody will listen to you when you flip on someone for saying "love is useful"

Empathy doesn't require knowing the ins and outs, but yes, it does require knowing some bad shit exists. If people don't think black ppl today suffer from the effects of racism, how can they empathize?

Furthermore, I'm not even trying to let white ppl off the hook for lack of empathy and you're trying to drag me into that kind of debate.

My only point is that its hard for a large swath of decent white people to comprehend or understand or open up to the knowledge if its done in a villifying divisive fashion, and the only reason I said that was to say Common's gesture is useful and positive, not that its all that's needed or that its owed.

>You initiate our back-and-forth with all kinds of hostility,
>then talk about you're trying to teach me something that I'm
>not open to.

that's exactly how it read to me.

and i'm not typing this response to you w/any hostility either.

>My only point is that its hard for a large swath of decent
>white people to comprehend or understand or open up to the
>knowledge if its done in a villifying divisive fashion, and
>the only reason I said that was to say Common's gesture is
>useful and positive, not that its all that's needed or that
>its owed.

but see...jane came at you w/o hostility or divisiveness but that seems to be how you received her words.

what's that about?

the tone was clear.

Caps all over the place, stating that she wishes there were extra caps, saying shit like "let me report from REALITY" and "send a message from REALITY to white folks" a hundred times, spending the first half of a post sarcastically attacking me over using the phrase "reporting from white realm". Pulling other words of mine out of their larger context to twist my message into suggesting white people shouldn't empathize, or its black people's responsibility to go first. Saying shit like "blah blah blah", saying I'm blaming black people, etc, saying I should be ashamed such a "request" (the "request" described being a complete twisting of my words)


I could go on but its a silly exercise. Any objective reader could see the claws

Maybe that's why I read her words the way I do and can't read them the right way - the white way - your way. You right. You is good folk and until we can discuss race in a way that makes _you_ feel good about your self (no caps used back there bc caps hurt your feewings) we won't make progress together. Bc the onus is on us to make you good white folk feel comfortable without regard for our feelings. It's about you good white folk who should be commended bc plenty white folk won't even talk to us - they don't know why you subject yourself to it. So we should be happy your are willing and should do what we can to create comfort for you.

Can I get you some tea? Rub your feet? I want to make you feel good. So you can talk to us about race.

But because you in all your whitesplaining glory viewing her through "why are Black people so angry" lens you can't see it.


You are tone policing and its annoying. Some of us are not here to mollycoddle the feelings.
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So my tone in responding is addressed but that's not tone policing, but when a person comes at me with shitty tone I'm supposed to not note it. Lol buzzwords galore. When you think about individual moments through buzzwords like tonepolicing and whitesplaining youre like a hammer seeing everything as a nail.

1) so Black folks can use those words
to describe what the fuck just happened
to themselves and other Black ppl.


2) to explain our experience to white ppl,
so we can maybe have a dialoge about race.



reason 2 is not seeming important to me
right now, for the same reason I have lost
interest in explaining homophobia to
homophobes.

because as soon as you make a point,
they steamroll right over it
by saying shit like this...



>supposed to not note it. Lol buzzwords galore. When you think
>about individual moments through buzzwords like tonepolicing
>and whitesplaining youre like a hammer seeing everything as a
>nail.


and you ask yourself why would anybody
be so stupid as to try to explain
racism and homophobia to racist and
homophobes.

and no, i won't qualify racist,
because as you won't understand
racism is on a continuum...
so it is possible to be a well meaning,
well intentioned, not racist all the
time racist.




and ftr, i am Black, and thought her
tone was fine. great, even. almost
patient.

you could have learned something about
her experience as a Black person.

you missed it, though.


still, I am glad she typed it out
because it helps me articulate
those feelings better the next time I have them.

>>One critical little mind-blowing detail though: empathy
>>requires actually being aware of the bad thing in the first
>>place.
>
>I tried, in my response, to make you aware of the "bad
>thing."
>
>>Being aware of the bad thing requires being open to the
>>truth.
>
>You don't seem open.
>
>And that's okay. It really is.
>
>Most White people aren't.
>
>The world keeps spinning.
>
>>Acknowledging the truth requires HEARING the truth teller.
>
>I spoke.
>
>>How can anybody empathize about something they're ignorant
>about?
>
>It can be uncomfortable, yes.
>
>But understanding isn't a pre-requisite for being empathetic.
>Empathy, in fact, helps one *to* understand. Find their way.
>
>>If you don't believe white people are truly ignorant about
>the ?>level of racial injustice that persists today, then I AM
>filling >you in on SL!e shit you don't sarcastically know from
>"reality".
>
>I think "White ignorance" is a willed, chosen,
>misinterpretation that Whites have about the world and their
>OWN actions and thoughts, which attempt to reinforce the
>benefits of White supremacists power dynamics, often enjoyed
>because others suffer.
:
The fact that you think white ignorance is willed and chosen means all your over the top sarcasm about my use of the term "reporting from the white realm" was a fail and you don't really know shit about white people even tho you're surrounded by them. Racial realities aren't something white ppl are typically confronted with, so their understanding of the issues is usually incredibly misinformed and naive. You should know this by now. You choose to assume the ignorance is intentional when its really just default.


>I *will* listen to someone tell me I'm awful and bad and the
>scourge of the planet. Perfectly fine to do so. I'm an
>American....there's an earful and a half out there about me.
:
BS...I'm talking about PERSONAL individual shit. Most people who complain about America (rightfully so) say shit like "not all Americans" or "I love the american people, hate their leaders" or something leaving you plenty of wiggle room to remain open. Terrible analogy.


>But maybe navigating receiving negative feedback and
>processing it, has to do with how *I* was raised. I had a Mama
>and a Daddy and uncles and aunts who would tell me about
>myself at the drop of a dime. I have experience navigating
>it.
:
Nothing wrong with negative feedback. Nothing wrong with criticism. Nothing wrong with olive branches and love. Nothing wrong with all of those combined. Those are all great. Cats are mad at Com for promoting love, I'm saying it can help and here's how, you snap on me with heaping piles of CAPS and pissiness and combativeness and expect me to be all open and sit at your feet lol




>I don't know those Black people.
>
>Me? I'm Black.
>
>And I assumed that you were making a comment because you were
>interested, in some way, in bridging the racial divide.
>Assumed.
:
Yes...I said love helps because villifying ppl closes them off, you flipped out on me, picked a fight over nothing, and expected me to act like anything you said was new knowledge



>>I'm basically just a cheap punching bag unless I turn my
>spine >completely off.
>
>It sounds like listening to my kind of feedback makes you feel
>powerless.
:
Powerless? No. I said trying to say anything with an actual opinion, even in defense of love, if you AREN'T some spineless white-guilt yes-man regurgitating everyone else verbatim turns you into a defacto sparring partner for frustrated pent up ppl like yourself who need to snap on someone. Not sure where you got powerless out of that. Are you one of those chicks who thinks every dude who doesn't want to date you is intimidated?


>Please also understand re: that kind of feedback-- it's not
>about you.
>
>>White ppl need to give a shit.
>
>Mmm. I don't know. I guess. I don't know if that's the
>answer.
>
>How hard is it not to, say, shoot unarmed Black people who
>haven't committed a crime?
>
>I think White people need to come to terms with the
>possibility that it's not in their interests or to their
>benefit to give much of a "shit." And that they choose to not
>give a "shit" and are happy enough with the payoff and how
>dehumanizing that can be.
:
When I say "need" I'm not referring to cheap self preservation, I'm referring to a better society.


>>You make it incredibly unlikely most ever will.
>
>Again.
>
>I hope that White folks will cease and desist with the lie
>that Black folks' behaviors or thoughts (accurately perceived
>or not by White folks) have anything to do with their own
>humanity, moral compass, or sense of in/justice.
>
>It's an awful excuse.
:
You're still mixing up caring about injustice (shouldn't matter, you're right), with caring to hear people out about it in the first place (so that you become aware of the injustice)... You really have no clue how clueless people are when it comes to racism today. You think everyone's just pretending not to see it. A ton of people don't see it.

it feels like you're more interested in whitesplaining than actually listening.

meanwhile i've learned something about you from this exchange. i dunno that i've learned much if anything about white ppl at large, which is fine. it's not your job to teach me anything about white ppl at large.

cheap ass "whitesplaining" nonsense

I don't think I'm "teaching black people"

This isn't some Bill O'Reilly shit dude

But I broke something down that should be obvious, but clearly some *individuals* in here were acting like they couldn't wrap their heads around.

Some cats talk about how white ppl talk when black ppl aren't around, and that shit is almost always wildly inaccurate. Other ppl, like the poster you're trying to pretend wasn't getting chippy with me, are under the impression that white ppl already know what time it is and pretend not to. I'm saying a lot fucking don't and don't even want to hear about it because they take it as a personal attack, which gets society nowhere.

Explaining that for the sake of anyone who seems not to get that is me explaining something. Get outta here with these buzzword tactics.

You is good white folk and we should not talk to you like that. We should just listen to you and receive your words in love and not explain where we disagree bc you is right. And you know all white folk even the villains in black hats and we should just let you be the authority when it comes to talking about white folk. You need to be right - the authority - sometimes like we tend to be when we talk about race. You need a piece of the conversation where YOU are right and we listen. And this is it. You is good white folk. Not a villain. You wear white.

You can disagree with me, and I can disagree with you. If you want to be pissy and chippy, I can match, but don't turn around and pretend im the one initiating that. These are general rules of human conversation.

Take a look at Ferguson. Black people are being exploited to fill the pockets of corrupt city officials. Have you seen the numbers regarding arrests and warrants? The only correct word to describe it would be apartheid.

Black people are angry. Scratch that, black people are seething with rage. It's not just about slavery, it's the countless acts of racism that continue to plague society today.

Did you not see the police in full military gear? Did you not see the sniper rifles pointed at peaceful protesters?

I am willing to bet black people would be much more open to love if the society they live in would treat them with the same dignity they treat white people with. I have never had any issues with black folks in real life, apart from here, lol, but that's another story completely. I have always been treated with kindness and friendship. The loving hand has always been there.

If you really want black people to stop viewing white people as the "enemy" and the "oppressor" then you as a white person are going to have to take action and make it happen. Are you prepared to protest on their behalf? are you prepared to write letters to congress demanding the ceaseless murder of innocent black people?

The facts speak for themselves. How many black children are going to die before you understand this is not about something that occurred in the past, but about something that continues to happen today?

I am neither white or black, but I have to say, I am honestly astounded by the level of patience black people continue to show in the United States of Amerikkka. Black people are laying down their lives and if they dare protest, they are blamed for being murdered by the media as well. Do you not see it? I am filled with anger and I am not affected by this in any way. What do you expect black people to do? Extend a loving hand to a society that continues to murder and exploit them? that continues to jail them for profit? have you heard of the prison industrial complex? You want black people to show love to a society that turned its back on them? that continues to murder them? Even a black president has proven to be useless.

This coming from Common is betrayal. This is a man that made his name with "conscious" rap. Do you think he is conscious of the issues/reality right now? Do you think he is using any common sense? He is turning his back on the issues he surely knows are real because he is currently livin la vida loca with an Oscar firmly jammed up his ass.

He sold his people out fam. This is not about meeting anyone half way. Black people do not owe white people a single thing. It's not about black people seeing you as racist, it's about black people losing lives, and being exploited today, right now. A black man was choked to death live on camera, and that is not enough proof to get a conviction. Did his life have any worth? How do you imagine that makes people feel? Do you think that puts them in a loving mood bro? You can be black and murdered live on television, and noone will pay for it, in fact, you will be blamed for provoking the murder by trying to sell loose cigarettes in a society and economy that has forgotten you. Wake up and smell the blood.

If you care at all about white ppl acknowledging a fuller spectrum of racial injustice beyond "slavery was bad and its gone", its impossible to open anyone's mind if...

^^^^^

Does that shit read like I'm saying there's no injustice beyond slavery? Or does a person who reads the actual sentences I typed conclude that I'm interested in getting more average white people to understand that it IS way beyond "just slavery"? That racial injustice is alive and well today and NOT equal both ways.

I skimmed the rest of your post because it started off with a gross misrepresentation and complete twisting of my message, but fwiw, I 100% agree with everything I skimmed.

of the problem. It's wayyyy beyond reaching out to a white person at this point, in any degree.

normal decent human beings with problems and lives and daily issues of their own when confronted with people telling them they're the villains of the world

I'm talking about the ratcheting up of resentments when no justice can ever be accomplished without open minds.

It doesn't matter how bad the injustice is, people need to accept its real. "No justice, no peace" is mostly true, but can there be justice without acknowledgement of injustice? Can there be acknowledgement without knowledge? Can there be knowledge without an open mind? How do you open minds? With love. Love doesn't mean ass-kissing. Yall act like Common was suggesting everyone ignore the problem. He just meant lets not become enemies in the process and lets not forget to have love for each other while we work it out.

Some ppl act like they'd rather be enemies

Black people become annoyed/angry when discussing this topic with white people. You are refusing to acknowledge reality, and are mostly speaking out of a reality that you have constructed with a privileged perception.

>normal decent human beings with problems and lives and daily
>issues of their own when confronted with people telling them
>they're the villains of the world
>

Black people do not treat white people as villains. The face of power and media is white. White people do not understand what racism is, and I don't think you do either because you have not been victimized in remotely the same way. White people treat black people as villains. Have you been paying attention?

Black people are being murdered and exploited. Once again, have you been paying attention? The white media/power organizations have blamed black people for their own death's. Media organizations have perpetuated this perception across the nation. It has clearly demonstrated that black lives do not matter to the establishment.

Did you see those white privileged kids chanting on that bus? Where is the love fam? References to people hanging off tree's, etc. Every time you turn on the television there is a white face exploiting, victimizing, ignoring, attacking black people. To top it all off, the white media establishment has blamed hip hop for that chant! Our society drives the perception that black people are not worthy of justice or equality, or even life.

How do you expect black people to respond to this? After so many years of injustice, are you really suggesting that black people correct the thought pattern that white people are exploiting them, and offer a loving hand? Do you really think that is feasible in reality, or are you presenting a privileged white fantasy? I think the latter.



>I'm talking about the ratcheting up of resentments when no
>justice can ever be accomplished without open minds.
>

I don't understand the logic of this statement. What do you expect/want black people to do? There is plenty of resentment to go around, in fact, there is so much, I'm willing to bet someone is already thinking of a way to monetize it.

>It doesn't matter how bad the injustice is, people need to
>accept its real. "No justice, no peace" is mostly true, but
>can there be justice without acknowledgement of injustice? Can
>there be acknowledgement without knowledge? Can there be
>knowledge without an open mind? How do you open minds?

Whose minds do you want to open?

With
>love. Love doesn't mean ass-kissing. Yall act like Common was
>suggesting everyone ignore the problem. He just meant lets not
>become enemies in the process and lets not forget to have love
>for each other while we work it out.

LOL. Fam, listen to what you are saying. Black people have been murdered on camera this past year, blamed for it by the media, ignored by the justice system, ignored by the black faces in power, had sniper rifles pointed at them during peaceful protests. What does LOVE mean to you and where are black people supposed to draw this love from? You don't fall in love with someone just because they are white or black. Love takes time to build, and love is built on acts of kindness and trust. Have black people been given ANY reason to love white people Jon? Please list all the examples of all the love deserving acts white people are involved in that black people are unjustly resenting them for.

>
>Some ppl act like they'd rather be enemies

Your privileged perception and identity is truly blind to the problem. You remind me of communism, where everything is pretty on paper, and la dee da, but when it comes down to people, and real life, you couldn't be more off the mark.

.

Like, I feel your point. Nobody wants to hear about how good they have it (when their life sucks), or get blamed for something that happened many generations before.

But I think white defensiveness goes a bit deeper then that though. Personally I debate race a shitload with people, and it rarely starts with 'back in the slavery days, lol'.

I just don't think that the conversation of race is as confrontational as people think. People love to trudge out Al Sharpton, etc...but in each and every case of recent high profile black male shootings you had a family on CNN, emotional, calling for calm, calling for justice, and all things considered, still very trusting with the police an the justice system.

HOWEVER, its not hard to notice that it doesn't take long for the narrative to shift to those new black panthers, residents mad at Sharpton running protest routes disrupting businesses, how the kid had minor crimes as alot of kids do...etc. Totally disregarding that for a least a good day or two it was just a crying mother, a father, and a wrinkled picture of their child shot dead.

Which is why I think everyone got mad at your post without going deeper, on the surface the 'race card' is a preliminary denial tactic that rarely gets evoked by our side of the conversation. You can counter that every black vs white confrontation doesn't have to be about race, and in a perfect world it isn't, but considering the stats I don't think its race baiting or going on the offensive to assume there's a racial connotation when its respectful like all those families were (to no avail).

like SOMEONE was bound to be oppressed and white people just lucked out

NOPE.

also, this thinking, anecdotally speaking, is seen among people who think they are actively fighting for social justice yet have no clue of the origins of the ills they are working against nor understand the extent

to put it most simply: they lack an understanding of policy in general and the historical context of that policy

they think the civil rights act of 64 changed everything in an instant

yet don't realize that policy doesn't work like that and while one amendment was written, there were decades old laws on federal, state, and municipal levels that gave little weight in the grand scheme of things

you had states with slavery still legal in their books decades after it was outlawed.

all of the ills created through segregation policy are still pervasive and affect persons of color to this day. it's not a colored water fountain today. it's a city who had a functioning program to assist youth that got their funding cut because it's not an affluent white area and now you have kids with no where to go, no money, and an immaturity that lends to bad decisions. same immaturity found in other kids their age, but yet they aren't subjected to that great a risk.

educating right now, but everything you said I've said almost verbatim in a thousand conversations, and that's honestly just scratching the surface of this mess.

However I don't know how anything I wrote suggested in any way someone was bound to be oppressed. I'm not that thorough an anthropologist to even try to make that claim. On some guns germs and steel shit? Dude, yeah I guess the world is rich with history of ppl trying to oppress each other, but I still like to think NONE of that had to happen.

But yeah, even tho it has nothing to do with my posts in here, you could definitely say white people lucked out. Like white people born today? Or the white people who kicked this racial shitstorm off?

Either way, compared to plenty of other ppl of other races, yeah id say its safe to say both versions of white ppl lucked out in the racial lottery. I'm open to other angles on that. Where did I suggest any of this though?

Do you mean luck instead of culpability? I mean, I think the Nazis (not counting those who were forced into battle) were both lucky to meet Hitler's ethnic standards and culpable for what they did.

Luck doesn't delete culpability. You can be given the best ability to hurt someone, doesn't mean you have to hurt them.

How did we even get onto this? I need to sleep



>like SOMEONE was bound to be oppressed and white people just
>lucked out
>
>NOPE.
>
>also, this thinking, anecdotally speaking, is seen among
>people who think they are actively fighting for social justice
>yet have no clue of the origins of the ills they are working
>against nor understand the extent
>
>to put it most simply: they lack an understanding of policy in
>general and the historical context of that policy
>
>they think the civil rights act of 64 changed everything in an
>instant
>
>yet don't realize that policy doesn't work like that and while
>one amendment was written, there were decades old laws on
>federal, state, and municipal levels that gave little weight
>in the grand scheme of things
>
>you had states with slavery still legal in their books decades
>after it was outlawed.
>
>all of the ills created through segregation policy are still
>pervasive and affect persons of color to this day. it's not a
>colored water fountain today. it's a city who had a
>functioning program to assist youth that got their funding cut
>because it's not an affluent white area and now you have kids
>with no where to go, no money, and an immaturity that lends to
>bad decisions. same immaturity found in other kids their age,
>but yet they aren't subjected to that great a risk.
>
>

but expanding on what reg was talking about in regards to defensiveness and reasons why it exists and why the defensiveness isn't ideal knowing how things truly are in reality

>Like, I feel your point. Nobody wants to hear about how good
>they have it (when their life sucks), or get blamed for
>something that happened many generations before.
:
Nope. And most self respecting ppl tune out right there.

>But I think white defensiveness goes a bit deeper then that
>though. Personally I debate race a shitload with people, and
>it rarely starts with 'back in the slavery days, lol'.
:
Agreed lol. Understand, that was an off-the-cuff caricature I cited just to characterize the general "racism is over/racism is equal/get over it" reactionary defensiveness that tends to dominate a lot of white people's heads when racial injustice is brought up.


>I just don't think that the conversation of race is as
>confrontational as people think. People love to trudge out Al
>Sharpton, etc...but in each and every case of recent high
>profile black male shootings you had a family on CNN,
>emotional, calling for calm, calling for justice, and all
>things considered, still very trusting with the police an the
>justice system.
:
Yep.


>HOWEVER, its not hard to notice that it doesn't take long for
>the narrative to shift to those new black panthers, residents
>mad at Sharpton running protest routes disrupting businesses,
>how the kid had minor crimes as alot of kids do...etc.
>Totally disregarding that for a least a good day or two it was
>just a crying mother, a father, and a wrinkled picture of
>their child shot dead.
:
YEP! That shit drives me fucking nuts...honestly y'all don't hear me among the white circles.



>Which is why I think everyone got mad at your post without
>going deeper, on the surface the 'race card' is a preliminary
>denial tactic that rarely gets evoked by our side of the
>conversation. You can counter that every black vs white
>confrontation doesn't have to be about race, and in a perfect
>world it isn't, but considering the stats I don't think its
>race baiting or going on the offensive to assume there's a
>racial connotation when its respectful like all those families
>were (to no avail).
:
I agree in the case of those families, but shit, I have enough black ppl in my personal life who pull the "race card" out over everything that I know there's that side of it too. But you're right, in a lot of these recent big stories, white defensiveness was off the effing meter right off the bat. But then I was still seeing a few loud minority black ppl on my facebook feed (don't know them well) kicking all kinds of racial hornets nests right off the jump with very intense and unfair remarks on white ppl...then, the white ppl who don't have much quality time with many black ppl start thinking that's how "they" think of "us" and shit gets even stupider and crazier from there, and it bleeds out into the real world.

So I don't see the issue with a dude like Com reminding us to love, just like MLK did, just like those families of the victims did. Its necessary to keep the lines of communication and education open, and without those lines being open, ignorance lives on.

to survive for the past 400+ years?

White people CANNOT be anymore coddled than they already are with regards to race. It's simply not possible.

Either be humane and human or don't.

there hasn't been love (there has) or everyone just goes around villifying white ppl (although there's also a lot of that as well)

But Common's point about reaching out in love was too much for some ppl in here to stomach, so all I was saying was that it doesn't mean to erase the need for acknowledgement of injustice, but rather if anything, you CAN'T get such acknowledgement without love. Its an important factor. It doesnt excuse us from telling hard truths or accepting hard truths. Coddling and pandering is fake shit that lets delusion and ignorance live on. But when spreading knowledge, its critical that people feel a sense of common ground or not being enemies, or nothing will be accomplished.

Putting your cleats on doesn't guarantee you a Super Bowl, but you can't win a blessed game without them. They are critical. Its not bad to put your cleats on. Its not bad move by Common to love. All the other steps are impossible without it. That's all I'm getting at.

you're talking about white defensiveness while being defensively white.

EDIT:

and when is the responsibility to love being placed on white people?
what about the ability to see the humanity in the darker people of the world? Or shit, themselves?

That's the problem with this line of thinking: it is not the responsibility of the oppressed to make the oppressor better.

Most racist, self-defeating white voting blocs are homogenous as hell. Yet, they vote against their own interests all the time against an IDEA of blackness. Most of these folks will never have a real conversation with an actual black person, but will mortgage their kids future against the IDEA of a black person, somewhere, somehow having more than them.

That's a psychosis that external love will not cure

No I'm being defensive about ppl deliberately picking a fight with me lol stop

Your question is dumb. Everyone needs all the love in the universe. We all need all the love. We all need to give all the others all our love.

All the love.

None of the hate.

:-)

I didn't say white ppl aren't getting enough love from black people. I never said that. I simply said Com isn't bad for showing love. And that, beyond feeling fuzzy wuzzy, it serves an important practical purpose toward the end goal of justice. Not that other factors and elements aren't needed. But I tried to explain how the love helps open the minds so that the truth can actually be planted. Y'all lost your fallopians over it.

>and when is the responsibility to love being placed on white
>people?
:
Its PAST time for that. Needs to happen immediately. Wtf do you think I think? Of course. Its imperative.

>what about the ability to see the humanity in the darker
>people of the world? Or shit, themselves?
:
Yep. Agreed 500%


>That's the problem with this line of thinking: it is not the
>responsibility of the oppressed to make the oppressor better.
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Beyond my overarching belief that its everyones job to love everyone, There's a difference between something being one's responsibility and something being positive. Something not being your responsibility doesn't make it a bad deed. But to go one step further (tho its not necessary for the scope of my post), very few beefs between individuals or groups are ever reconciled via mere responsibility and score keeping. Thats typically how resentments get etched in stons actually. But its not for me to say that.

I never said (and Com never said) black ppl owe white ppl more love. He just said let's begin the love, he wants to encourage his people to extend that olive branch and I disagree with ppl who say bad things about him for doing that. I think there's power in that.


>Most racist, self-defeating white voting blocs are homogenous
>as hell. Yet, they vote against their own interests all the
>time against an IDEA of blackness. Most of these folks will
>never have a real conversation with an actual black person,
>but will mortgage their kids future against the IDEA of a
>black person, somewhere, somehow having more than them.
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>That's a psychosis that external love will not cure
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Actually, this is something I've been meaning to make a post about. I agree for the most part, but I want to talk about some of the underlying roots and gears of that phenomenon. Its sheer poison and cuts to the heart of the power structure in America. Its deep. Too past my bedtime right now tho

He just said let's begin the love, he wants to encourage
>his people to extend that olive branch and I disagree with ppl
>who say bad things about him for doing that. I think there's
>power in that.

We don't need to *begin* shit. At this moment in time, to imply that black people have been anything other than humane and decent in the face of outright fuckery is a crock of shit.


Black people can't be anymore docile, peaceful or loving. Racism isn't our problem. we're the victims of it.

White folks need to do better. Period

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suggest it hasn't been happening. You're parsing words and splitting hairs to fight straws

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...it's just, as of this writing, 59 years, 3 months, 16 days, 9 hours, 37 minutes and 1 second too late.

Like, officially.

Discounting the 336 years, 6 months, 6 hours, and 15 minutes preceding of slavery, Jim Crow, and earlier campaigns and movements of limited success to try and stop them.

We've, like, been doing this already.

supposed to be one sided. Loving one another is something all human beings need constant reminder on.

And Com was trying to inspire both sides to offer more love. Some of y'all act like he was saying black ppl owe white ppl extra love or that it should just be one way. Dude was just trying to rekindle a mutual thing between all people, without sugarcoating the nitty gritty, and ppl like yourself throw shade bombs at him. So I come in and say love can help open minds, and now I'm catching heat for that lol

You are one of the good guys. White man wearing a white hat. And us negroes have had such a mind game run on us that we can't appreciate when good white folk like you talk to us out of love. We are not ready to receive it. Your heart is open and you have learned all of the lessons about race and ready to be on the front line of healing the divide but we can't converse with you without making you feel attacked and that is our fault not yours. We are responsible for your feelings and you bear no responsibility for how you receive or react to what we say. It's all on us and none of it is on you bc you is good white folk. You wear a white hat. You are not a villain. It's our fault - the conditioning we received we should rise above it and you don't have any duty to even try to understand where we are coming from bc you is good white folk. It's all us and not you. It's too bad, huh?

Don't give up the good fight for reconciliation because that's the only way things are ever going to change. If both sides continue to point fingers, bash each others opinions without honest conversation and dismiss the willingness to examine the facts, acknowledge the facts, and create a way forward then this nation will remain in a vicious cycle. Yes, apologies are a good place to start, but that's not enough if the people benefiting from the system never change in heart and deed.

And for change to happen both sides must be willing to forgive in various ways. Whites need to look in that mirror, acknowledge the historical and present racist system, so that they can move towards healing via forgiving themselves for benefiting and perpetuating such a racist system. But that takes humility and courage. Blacks need to forgive white people for their actions, so that the stumbling blocks of anger, pain, and bitterness can be overcome. Yes, we have a right to be angry and bitter, but at what cost? Being right or justified emotionally doesn't always get you to the right place. Reconciliation is not about equal blame, it's about moving forward together in equality. Blacks need to forgive so that our paths can be clear and our burden can be relived. We cannot continue to carry so much hurtful history on our backs or we will never move anywhere as people. But That burden has to be taken up by white people too with the change of the system. The system is evil and it's a constant reminder of the history that Blacks deal with even in the present.

As such, both side have to make the hard choices to give up something that is holding us back as a nation.

Anyway, thanks for trying. Some of us see your point.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

^ that's me being sincere. i appreciated and agreed w/rev's reply right there.

in the midst of such "dishonest folk"

you would think they weren't being serious
but no
they are
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

white ppl need to FORGIVE THEMSELVES for their ppl's past transgressions. That problem blocks conversation - we bring up the past, they feel convicted and get defensive. That's where Jon says we need to work on making them feel comfortable and not like villains. I agree that that is their problem - they need to forgive themselves to get past the I-feel-villainized issue. Bc there is no way to have an honest conversation about America'so race problem without discussing issues where white ppl have acted badly. Glossing over or forgetting that stuff won't move us forward. It has to be taken on. They forgive themselves and stop doing racist stuff. We can then work on forgiving - AFTER they repent and sin no more.

>white ppl need to FORGIVE THEMSELVES for their ppl's past
>transgressions. That problem blocks conversation - we bring up
>the past, they feel convicted and get defensive. That's where
>Jon says we need to work on making them feel comfortable and
>not like villains. I agree that that is their problem - they
>need to forgive themselves to get past the I-feel-villainized
>issue. Bc there is no way to have an honest conversation about
>America'so race problem without discussing issues where white
>ppl have acted badly. Glossing over or forgetting that stuff
>won't move us forward. It has to be taken on. They forgive
>themselves and stop doing racist stuff. We can then work on
>forgiving - AFTER they repent and sin no more.

reminds me of NeNe during that crazy ass therapy session among friends that popped off this week...

but yep, i agree too

>white ppl need to FORGIVE THEMSELVES for their ppl's past
>transgressions. That problem blocks conversation - we bring up
>the past, they feel convicted and get defensive. That's where
>Jon says we need to work on making them feel comfortable and
>not like villains. I agree that that is their problem - they
>need to forgive themselves to get past the I-feel-villainized
>issue. Bc there is no way to have an honest conversation about
>America'so race problem without discussing issues where white
>ppl have acted badly. Glossing over or forgetting that stuff
>won't move us forward. It has to be taken on. They forgive
>themselves and stop doing racist stuff. We can then work on
>forgiving - AFTER they repent and sin no more.

mmhmm
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LOL

(I respect much of what you said, but I feel some if the disconnect in the convo springs from these, among maybe others)

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When you say "Jon says we need to x", that word "need" is a bit funny. There's an important distinction with saying something is useful/good or even going so far as to suggest it is critically important vs saying "need to" like its your responsibility or you owe it to anyone. And it certainly doesn't replace the work and measures white ppl ought to take, as some in here think I'm suggesting.

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As for the forgiveness thing, I agree white ppl should forgive themselves (not be in denial), but forgiving yourself doesn't make you more open to being painted as the enemy or villain. It does allow for you to feel more secure and not interpret things as an attack that aren't an attack. But none of that negates the idea that any extension of love does anything but open more minds and hearts to a message of truth. Regardless of whether a person forgives themselves. Love is never the wrong approach. Love is not coddling. Nobody said Common came up with a new thing that hasn't been done before. I just defend the merits of his position because cats act like he's wrong for encouraging it.

of love is THE solution to the race problem.

it's not.

and he's wrong where he insinuates that blacks haven't extended that hand previously. b/c it's already happening. so blacks extending the hand isn't what's preventing us from conquering the race problem.

imperfect verbal minutiae that anyone with some Common Sense would know isn't the heart of his message.

You really think Com thinks its THE single one thing that will save the day, or that there haven't already been a bunch of black ppl for eons showing love to white ppl?

Like, who would interpret it that way unless you're looking for a plank to walk him off?

and bc I hate white ppl so much I won't let him get away with it and I'm nailing him on a 'Gotcha!' moment.

anyway, you're right - i was being dishonest and trying to catch Common by twisting his words around b/c i don't really want dialogue or healing w/white ppl i only want to make them feel guilty and then use that against them in an attempt to make myself feel better by denigrating white ppl. i use the race card as a sword and not a shield.

>Don't give up the good fight for reconciliation because
>that's the only way things are ever going to change. If both
>sides continue to point fingers, bash each others opinions
>without honest conversation and dismiss the willingness to
>examine the facts, acknowledge the facts, and create a way
>forward then this nation will remain in a vicious cycle. Yes,
>apologies are a good place to start, but that's not enough if
>the people benefiting from the system never change in heart
>and deed.
>
>And for change to happen both sides must be willing to forgive
>in various ways. Whites need to look in that mirror,
>acknowledge the historical and present racist system, so that
>they can move towards healing via forgiving themselves for
>benefiting and perpetuating such a racist system. But that
>takes humility and courage. Blacks need to forgive white
>people for their actions, so that the stumbling blocks of
>anger, pain, and bitterness can be overcome. Yes, we have a
>right to be angry and bitter, but at what cost? Being right or
>justified emotionally doesn't always get you to the right
>place. Reconciliation is not about equal blame, it's about
>moving forward together in equality. Blacks need to forgive so
>that our paths can be clear and our burden can be relived. We
>cannot continue to carry so much hurtful history on our backs
>or we will never move anywhere as people. But That burden has
>to be taken up by white people too with the change of the
>system. The system is evil and it's a constant reminder of the
>history that Blacks deal with even in the present.
>
>As such, both side have to make the hard choices to give up
>something that is holding us back as a nation.
>
>Anyway, thanks for trying. Some of us see your point.
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

What kind of reconciliation can there possibly be? What does it look like? Can there be reconciliation alongside a race based system and culture? Wouldn't the system need to be replaced and the culture fundamentally changed? Race is a card at the bottom of a house of cards. How do you remove it and not have the whole thing fall apart?

This is why I think a lot of the love and peace crowd are filled with useless and unrealistic optimism. Basically expecting humans to not act as humans. This nation is in a cycle that it's leaders desire to have in place and which people will and want to naturally gravitate towards. Is this not one of many reasons why the bible has no qualms about describing humanity as wretched?

Who is to be forgiven or apologized to? As one group loves to point out the "real" offenders are long dead and the dead can not be forgiven. Who will apologize to black people? As if there is some person or group out there representing white and western society. It's all so completely laughable.

Meanwhile history paints a clear picture that its violence that brings change and builds systems. Dr.King and his protesters may have been non-violent, but there was certainly violence used against them and it's the witnessing of that violence that brought whatever change there's been.

Reconciliation is right up there with beating swords into plowshares as far as when you can expect to see such a thing happen and I'm always a bit stunned to see this not acknowledged by church leaders who have at their disposal a book full of illustrations of the darkness of the human heart and soul.

As for your response, I respect your position even if I agree and disagree with a few of your statements. Now, I am not going to answer all of those questions just because you decided to drive down Question Street and knock on very door..LOL Plus the seem rhetorical to me. Because not matter what I say, you will most likely protest me response.

Plus, I offered a solution in my response and you have not offered anything. I come from the school of though that if you are going to challenge or complain then you also need to provide a solution. That's how I was raised at home, the military, and in corporate life. Anybody bench rider can complain, but only staters offer a solutions.


>What kind of reconciliation can there possibly be? What does
>it look like? Can there be reconciliation alongside a race
>based system and culture? Wouldn't the system need to be
>replaced and the culture fundamentally changed? Race is a card
>at the bottom of a house of cards. How do you remove it and
>not have the whole thing fall apart?
>

The system of respect for humanity and love for ones neighbor the same why we love ourselves. That will be the catalyst to solve matters right out the gate.



>This is why I think a lot of the love and peace crowd are
>filled with useless and unrealistic optimism. Basically
>expecting humans to not act as humans. This nation is in a
>cycle that it's leaders desire to have in place and which
>people will and want to naturally gravitate towards. Is this
>not one of many reasons why the bible has no qualms about
>describing humanity as wretched?
>


You are mixing topics to validate a point and a position. Humanity as wretched because of the curse of sin, not what we're actually capable of being. That has noting to do useless and unrealistic optimism. Do you think love and peace is useless and unrealistic optimism when you go home, in your family, on your job? No.




>Who is to be forgiven or apologized to? As one group loves to
>point out the "real" offenders are long dead and the dead can
>not be forgiven. Who will apologize to black people? As if
>there is some person or group out there representing white and
>western society. It's all so completely laughable.
>


I already explained it above bro. Come on Fam. People did you not see the Million Man March, the same premise applies. Reconciliation, forgiveness, and atonement is possible.


>Meanwhile history paints a clear picture that its violence
>that brings change and builds systems. Dr.King and his
>protesters may have been non-violent, but there was certainly
>violence used against them and it's the witnessing of that
>violence that brought whatever change there's been.
>

Violence can bring change, but at what cost today? A man named Jesus who exhibited Non Violent deeds changed the entire world and MLK's changing of that torch has been changing the world too. Protest are always more successful if they are non violent. But I digress, because that's not the issue here.

>Reconciliation is right up there with beating swords into
>plowshares as far as when you can expect to see such a thing
>happen and I'm always a bit stunned to see this not
>acknowledged by church leaders who have at their disposal a
>book full of illustrations of the darkness of the human heart
>and soul.
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Your logic is not acknowledged by church leaders because it's self-defeating.
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

It's going to take nothing short of that to "fix" anything as far as racism and white supremacy are concerned. My solution is one of self improvement. Forget about white society, supremacy, and all the rest. Instead overcome and persevere despite the obstacles because the obstacle will not be removed. That is a far more plausible and obtainable solution.

Loving ones neighbor is how believers are to live their lives, but believers are clearly the minority. I doubt there are racists out there that can even fathom such a thing as loving one's self let alone one's neighbor.

Sin is the reason why we have racism in the first place so to put faith in humanity somehow being able to right itself seems to be misplaced. As far as Anerica is concerned the bed has been made.

to prevent mass bloodshed is very educational/worthwhile as far as seeing its actual application. as far as wide scale justice, it has to linked to economic justice and other arenas as these systemic levers come down in interconnected ways. dialogue, reconciliation and action on race needs to result, in the US, straight up socialism and transition away from the market economy value and socio-economic system that privileges capital, whiteness, etc.

it didn't come BEFORE the death of apartheid.

i think the same would be true here in the USA - AFTER racism has been defeated we can talk about forgiveness and reconciliation.

Greed and economic exploitation is the root of racial division and injustice

We need a far more civilized humanizing equitable social economic model if we're ever going to really protect our society from these divisions. We could get theoretically get through the current racial divide but another kind would spring forth. Because removing whiteness as a false supremacy myth would leave a void to be filled by a system that needs a large swath of the exploited class to think they're on the side of the rulers.

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

>Don't give up the good fight for reconciliation because
>that's the only way things are ever going to change. If both
>sides continue to point fingers, bash each others opinions
>without honest conversation and dismiss the willingness to
>examine the facts, acknowledge the facts, and create a way
>forward then this nation will remain in a vicious cycle. Yes,
>apologies are a good place to start, but that's not enough if
>the people benefiting from the system never change in heart
>and deed.
>
>And for change to happen both sides must be willing to forgive
>in various ways. Whites need to look in that mirror,
>acknowledge the historical and present racist system, so that
>they can move towards healing via forgiving themselves for
>benefiting and perpetuating such a racist system. But that
>takes humility and courage. Blacks need to forgive white
>people for their actions, so that the stumbling blocks of
>anger, pain, and bitterness can be overcome. Yes, we have a
>right to be angry and bitter, but at what cost? Being right or
>justified emotionally doesn't always get you to the right
>place. Reconciliation is not about equal blame, it's about
>moving forward together in equality. Blacks need to forgive so
>that our paths can be clear and our burden can be relived. We
>cannot continue to carry so much hurtful history on our backs
>or we will never move anywhere as people. But That burden has
>to be taken up by white people too with the change of the
>system. The system is evil and it's a constant reminder of the
>history that Blacks deal with even in the present.
>
>As such, both side have to make the hard choices to give up
>something that is holding us back as a nation.
>
>Anyway, thanks for trying. Some of us see your point.
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

I think what some folks are missing is Jon is talking about tactics. That is how to effectively change someone's mind when talking about race. I think it's a good point.


Jay Smooth describes something similar here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

are choosing to be contrary for the sake of arguing about a white person speaking the truth. How dare he tell us anything. SMH

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

maybe...just maybe...that's kinda what he was thinking or what he meant but as someone who literally works with words...

he picked the wrong ones...

it takes far more work to interpret what Comm said as some sloppy version of what Jay Smooth said then it does to interpret what Comm said as what he's largely being accused of here

that being, said...as useful as what Jay Smooth is talking about is as far as "tactics"...i still think it's only going to help marginally...

that's generally how i try to approach most debates like these...but most people are too divisive and defensive to treat any type of disagreement as anything other than an attack

if the person is capable (or willing) to apply enough nuance to separate "that's racist" from "you're a racist"...they probably wouldn't have said that racist shit to begin with...there are enough exceptions to that to be notable but not enough to be meaningful...in the context of having a better discussion...sure...but it's not discussion that's actually needed...it's action

the interview that jay smooth was in emphasized that even more...he went on to say...the net worth of said "tactics" is meaningless until certain actionable changes are made society wide

the DOJ report is out there...it's tone and approach seems neutral as fuck...and people are still unwilling to face facts

even if you are attempting to talk for all/some/most/subset/young/old/northern/southern whites.

Without bloodshed nothing will change and why should it? Its all taken in blood.

it's that simple.

are in this situation and were in slavery for so long. Unlike blacks, they actually have numbers on their side. 6% to 9% of the population will never get a fair shake. But if the poor and pussy whites actually stop talking and starting acting a ton of shit could change.


Talking about equality is easy. Leaving the comfort of your flock and inviting blacks into to fold takes a spine they don't have.

C'mon Com.

Imma need you to keep your mouth shut from now on though
Stay pretty like a good boy
Pharrell that goes for you too

No one delete this post
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Common Sense is the homie but c'mon bruh. This insane notion that WE need to do anything other than stay black, procreate, live good lives, and die is bullshit. In other words, Com feels we should forgive racists to which I say: FUCK ALL OF YOU, I HOPE YOU'RE SOLD INTO PROSTITUTION IN SOME FOREIGN COUNTRY UNDER A NEW NAME. PLEASE SPARE THE REST OF US FROM BREATHING THE SAME AIR AS YOU FUCKS. I won't forgive shit and best believe you will pay for this at some point because Obama's America.

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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

Now he talking about peace & love?
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ GTFO!!!

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They gunning down unarmed black folks every week.. yet its black folks who need to extend a hand in love ???


Ohhhh hold up, Common must be dating a white girl.. LMAO !!

its 2015 A.D. y'all

*throws hands in the air*

so while i'm smdh...

i'm really not taking this seriously enough to lose all hope in common...

i think he knows better though

edit: i take that back...he's on that raven symone

and a majority of you lames.

90% of this post objecting to it

>90% of this post objecting to it

suddenly. Common sounds like a lot of y'all typically in every other post. Its been like that for the past several years. Where is Utamaharo, and Angelo?

Y'all be on that SPM.

>suddenly. Common sounds like a lot of y'all typically in
>every other post. Its been like that for the past several
>years.


Either they wanna heal the relationship and forgive or they wanna end it.
You can't be on both sides.
Like I said though, I think Common just stated it so plainly that it made alotta them
realize how ridiculous the idea is. All I know is that this post will be very useful in future
discussions on race in Amerikkka.

at you excluding yourself from this community although you still post here

always gotta be one

Posted on the boards and I got to bullshit at work some type of way. Otherwise I don't have no connection at all.

Sure hate for his late-career defining moment to be the equivalent of French harping at a white folks' cotillion.

All we have left is to deal with whatever the fallout is which is what we're basically experiencing anyway. Things will not get better because things do not get better. Candles burn out, flowers wilt, new life eventually grows old and dies.

Anyone thinking there is time to somehow turn the nation around in an age when politicians are bought and sold and a police officer can make millions from killing teenagers is in some kind of denial.

That cop would smile warmly at Com, one of the 'good ones'


+1UP he even rap too


can't wait for fox news to freak this

this shit simply can not last

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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

So let's all go get on some white women, lol

It's to end racism!

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>So let's all go get on some white women, lol
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>It's to end racism!

The crib aint raise him to be like this.

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they give you some token awards and some movie time and a little bit of film budget and this turkey thinking about being on a Betty White roast show.

He said "I'M extended a hand of love blah blah blah"

not "Racism can end if Blacks extend, etc"

Now he DID say we're at that point where it's like bringing up a lover's past, but don't
most of yall agree with him though?

When I talk about separating and doing our own thing, yall say that's a crazy idea.
If you're trying to live in harmony with white folks, how can you NOT agree with what he's saying?
If you're going to continue this fight in america, you have to forgive and accept that you're
currently on the bottom, seeking to help yourself while you depend on concessions from
those on top.
I ain't 'bout that life, but I've had it out with some of yall on NUMEROUS occasions
for opposing that POV. All of a sudden yall ain't for that?
Maybe he just said it too plainly and made yall realize what you're really standing for, lol.

Either you're trying to separate or you wanna heal the relationship. Choose one.

but maybe I'm a dreamer

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

my attitude has nothing to do with what i want to change

there are clear goals that if met can positively impact all colored folks in the U.S.

whether these people want to do so lovingly or with hostility makes me no never mind...

the DOJ Ferguson report would likely be very similar in any heavily black region...

we can demand that those injustices are addressed...the methods of which we do so really don't matter that much imho...power can be wielded gently or with aggression...

the key is figuring out if that power can be leveraged through normal channels

it's a fucked up competition...u can hate your opponents and want them crushed...or u can love your opponents and still want them crushed...they have something we want and demand...how we approach that tournament in demeanor is largely immaterial...if one doesn't work, try another...if neither "tactic" works...it's time to team build until we have a better functioning team or unstoppable stars...

trying to start our own league is only worth it if the numbers are right

I'm sick of this whole "gotcha" culture where people are just waiting to pounce on someone for saying something they don't agree with.

We literally just finished celebrating Common for his accomplishments with Glory and now people are all over social media calling him all types of idiots and sellouts and whatnot.

Enough.

He's been a man of integrity his whole career, and has always held it down for the culture, and for the people.

That's enough to get a pass on a 60sec soundbite that people don't agree with.

Shit is disgusting.

in our community. That person would get assassinated in Social Media for his / her past or current comments. As Black People, we kill the prophets of truth and slay the voices of hope.

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

Because it will get you shot in the face and murdered to death.

They will literally kill you. That is not the same thing as Black folks submitting dissenting opinions, especially when you are trying to weigh in on anti-blackness and racism like they are in our imagination or relics that WE cling onto.

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

this definitely should and probably could have flown underneath the radar like a most of these on the spot BS soundbites and quotes

I completely cosign that shit. This has become the normal mode of operation for people for a long minute now in every circle everywhere. Its beyond disgusting...its disheartening

You know the history. The direction this country is headed given that history is to be expected.

True. But, my initial shock (my post below) had me go off.

I had to listen to Kendrick Lamar to calm me down. LOL!

https://i.imgflip.com/j1tw5.jpg

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

http://radio.com/2015/03/19/asap-ferg-racism-is-over/

By Scott T. Sterling
According to rapper A$AP Ferg, racism is officially in the past, thanks in large part to the Internet and interracial dating.
Ferg’s view on race relations came to light during a recent interview with NPR, where he claims that Nick Jonas is a fan and that Madonna‘s son uses his song “Work” as a ringtone.

“We all the same. That’s what it is about this culture of the Internet,” Ferg theorized. “Is everything is merged. There’s no racism with the Internet. Racism only was—is probably like five generations ago…Racism is for—I wouldn’t say generations. Yeah, like five generations ago. Racism been over. It’s the old people that keep on holding on to it. We don’t hold on to that s—. We don’t know racism. We all like having—like my brother had white—my little brother had white girlfriends. And that’s regular, like.”
However, despite Ferg’s dubious claims, a quick scan of current news headlines reveals that racism in America is still alive and kicking, even on the Internet.

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

about fucking white girls as if they're some kind of superior prize.
Lil nigga is so swallowed by white supremacist ideology that it's "normal, like" to him.

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WTF, Common?

No offense, its not white people getting beat down in the streets! I have a forgiving nature. And, its not that I don't have plenty of white friends. But, I don't think its black people not wanting to let it go. I think its whites not wanting to acknowledge the past, not wanting to acknowledge the fucked up shit in the present. And, them hoping that in the future, racism will just go away because we had one black president.

Bullshit.

I'm sorry the way we get past racism is looking at it head on and understanding that if you don't acknowledge it, and getting to the bottom of the bullshit, we are doomed to keep dealing with this crap.

The fact is that when I walk into a store, room and whatnot there are still assumptions made about me the moment someone sees me versus someone getting to know me. I'm just tired of the shit. When my husband walks into a room of engineers at a conference, the first thing they wonder is wtf is he doing there.

I hate it that my daughter is going to be judged because of people that have nothing to do with her. Just because of the color of her skin and not who she is as a person. I'm just truly tired of the bullshit and people like Common are not understanding the pain of it all because they have supposedly "made it" to the point where the color of their skin doesn't matter as much as the money in their pocket!

I'm just tired of fighting the same fuckin fight and Common and the apologizers like him aren't making it any fuckin better.

Yeah, I'm pissed. I'm logging off for the night.

Oh, and tell that UVA student who got beat down for being black that he should extend his hand in love.

He did say something like that though...