part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsN5KMALdWo

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfgBY_L-tT0&feature=youtu.be

we could have inferred the rest

>we could have inferred the rest
I was about to listen to it but its too early in the day to have dame's bullshit contaminate my mind state...lol. His energy seemed toxic right from the first two minutes.

^^^^^^^^

SMH

(behind dame's shoulder)?

he might as well start his own podcast really
i'd subscribe quicker than a mug

talking shit is one gift he will never lose.

..to truly understand his perspective, you have to check the source of his angst.

since his break with the original rocafella collective, people are constantly gossiping about his $$$ and alleged demise (most assuming that he was simply irrelevant & broke without jay). opinions are cool, but that doesn't determine the truth about his situation.

the frustration lies in the fact that so many people speculate on his pockets, when they not only have less (and work for less) than him, but that they rely on others for security. his point is that he can't respect the gossip of people who report to others for pennies when he not only commands his own earnings, but that he doesn't answer to anyone in order to achieve that.

people gossip about checks and he's speaking about wealth, well beyond money.

he's not shittin' on 9-5ers, he's shittin' on 9-5ers who have the audacity to question his ability and position as an earner AND owner.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

nah b.... he made it crystal clear he dont respect anyone who has a job

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..that's dame snappin' 'cause envy was bein' an asshole in that moment.

the more they dig, the sharper the snaps become. still, its not really personal. dame saw a sensitive mark and took aim.

in truth, they were both bein' assholes tryin' to 1-up each other, but envy was out of line and eventually apologized (after dame apologized for callin' him stupid).

envy made the mistake of comparing dame's situation with his own, and couldn't get past it. from that point, dame shut it down.

there's nothing wrong with working a 9-5. however, no one working a 9-5 (regardless of how successful) should ever clown/question someone successfully self employed.






*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

And really this is only a conversation because it's hip hop. Nowhere else does a worker question what a boss does with his money and how he runs things. You wouldn't compare your moves to those of a CEO of a Advertising company unless you wanted to emulated them for more success on your side of things.

Dame is just harsh as hell.

we wouldn't have labor unions if workers didn't question and challenge how bosses run things and what they do w/their money. we wouldn't have employee protections, period, if workers didn't regularly question and challenge bosses - successfully, even.

it happens all the time.


>Dame is just harsh as hell.

harsh, loud and wrong as hell.

They should do that because it directly effects them. However, if I don't work at your company why should I tell you how to run it. Especially if I haven't run a damn thing.

Hell you're a lawyer, I can tell you my ideas on how you SHOULD practice law but I run the risk of having you shut me down because I've never done it. I'm not speaking from experience but you would be. I'm just saying that there should be a level of respect given when speaking on a topic to someone who actually has experience vs someone who has an opinion.

1 of Dame's problems is that he rarely offers respect in general.

> however, no one
>working a 9-5 (regardless of how successful) should ever
>clown/question someone successfully self employed.

i will clown and question anyone i damn well please for whatever reason i choose. and i'm nice w/that shit. so i fear no one whether they're self employed successful or not.

the fuck?

please.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

real talk right there

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sprouting demagoguery


let's break it down


1. The term Boss as he's using it simply emphasizes ownership. Just because you own shit, doesn't mean that in particular shit is worth shit. That takes leadership. Boss of garbage. His gallery is TRASH. His oil company is TRASH.

2. If this nigga was a leader, and decent businessman, then the ROC would STILL be alive and well, and he'd be able to pass his life's work to his kids, just as he's criticizing Envy for.

He'd also be in a better position to give other niggas opportunities as a 40 year old man. He is not, and has had plenty of time to do so.

3. With that said, there is nothing wrong with cashing out on your investments. Envy can pass his fortune on to his kids, whom in turn can use that liquid cash to start something new and be independent.

Dame is in jeopardy of passing some worthless businesses to his little niggas. So who's winning exactly and where is the honor in any of that?

4. There isn't shit wrong either with working under, learning from, and earning from another boss, and then using said funds to go independent, and then later becoming a boss.
Rome wasn't built in a day nigga, and every nigga needs to start somewhere.

That money started somewhere. And a boss can't be a boss without your labor. Without you, he is just an independent. The relationship between boss and worker in the real business world is usually mutual in most respectable fields.

5. Dame isn't making' product either in the way he's explaining it, just like Envy and those mixtapes. Jay made it.

He isn't painting shit in those galleries, and investing in his own paints. He isn't coding shit, or designing shit and engineering his own software. He isn't writing his own raps and investing in studio time. He wasn't growing his own weed. The nigga flips, just as he said. He flips other nigga's product.

..nobody's defending dame's character.

it is what it is.

i simply responded to an inaccurate statement regarding the back & forth snappin' btwn dame & envy that resulted in both men takin' shots at each other (and both men eventually apologized).

move along.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

he definitely dont want to talk about jay
they need to stop

are the same qualities that prevent him from maintaining it.

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I need to revisit some Jay interviews to see if they're asking him about Dame all the time.

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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

always liked that line

i get what dame is saying about being a boss
envy isnt on that level
so he doesnt understand

his entire aura reeks with disdain for my existence...



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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

have with him....
sounds pretty on-point to me...

he says Pause too much though...

A real secure man doesn't ahve to do that dumb shit...
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You think it's on some "in the streets you don't speak on people who might be working with THEM PEOPLE because then you can get on their internal paperwork?"

As a street dude I'm surprised Jay would have someone like that so close to him and his family. I know he's far removed from the street but I didn't think he was THAT far gone.

does he end up leaving them?
Or does he take em back home like that cat that takes his beers home with him after the BBQ....?
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Fuck your fort!

yo, that line just killed me

The insecurity in his whole presentation is so strong I just felt sorry for him.

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not cool.

He's pushing people to believe in themselves more.

abrasiveness and ppl end up tuning him out...

Delivery martters...


>He's pushing people to believe in themselves more.

Scene


Except all the "what a man dont do " faux logic

Nothing wrong in telling ppl to be entrepreneurial


Blk ppl actually start more businesses than avg, but we skip the bread&butter grocery stores, mechanicshop& construction

And try custom bakeries/catering, bogus 5linx & other smalltime stuff

Spike and dame both arrogant btw

...but....i never hear what he's doing now

like aint nobody better at talkin about invisible money than this nigga.
but I aint listen to the whole thing tho.

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

That's actually part of his frustration. That no one wants to talk about those things.

I'm not an advocate of his, but a lot of what he's getting at is true.

It's just hard to get beyond the fact that he can be such an asshole.

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we should be past the no-homo thing...

lmao, and then DJ Envy thought Dash was calling him stupid. Dash got into Envy's head.

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>lmao, and then DJ Envy thought Dash was calling him stupid.

If what he says sounds smart to stupid people, the implication is that he's stupid.

Didn't Dash say if you have something to say about another man you should say it to THAT man? He's doing the same thing Beanie Sigel/Jim Jones did.

He just wants a conversation. He doesn't get that he isn't owed a convo and is arrogant. Also I laughed at Dame saying "I haven't been arrogant to HIM", as if people don't learn from others experiences. SMH

Its the same thing. What makes you think you deserve it? You have done nothing to deserve a conversation from someone on THAT level in that field. Kanye doesnt deserve a shot at talking to people at big fashion houses because he drew some sketches of a Nike shoe that got redesigned by actual designers at Nike to look good. Kanye doesnt deserve that conversation because he tried to make his own boutique high end street wear line that flopped before it could even come out. Dame deserves that same shade because of his well known attitude but more so for the fact that he made 1 good movie that is only hood critically acclaimed. His other movies where Kevin Bacon was a pedo was horrible. You can argue that Hov is doing all these deals with people because he's a rapper, and no thats not the case he gets these deals because he knows his role in those types of deals being an influencer. His brand is being an influencer, so when people see that it makes sense to align them selves to get an audience they specifically can't speak to the way he does.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

but that same old substance he was accusing them of holding on to or making money off of is the same old substance anyone even gives a fuck about him for. Nobody cares about Murder Mook or your failed gallery where it is known around the industry you werent even paying any of those dudes. Coodie and Chike weren't being paid, neither were the people under the,. All them hipster kids in there werent being paid. None of the rappers in there were being paid. Thats why it fell a part. He was treating everyone like shit still after all that bad business he was doing previously lol. He's the same old story.


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but reality is they were only scared of his boy with the beard because they don't know who he is. And what was his point of even being there, you don't see those guys at his other interviews, were they there to intimidate because Charlamagne is known to be certain way? Dame is a loser man.


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http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5SqatyzPlJU/hqdefault.jpg

he said he started goin to a dermatologist

but definitely looks lighter and like he got some mascara or contouring or something going on. strange times b

he's a loud mouthed loser at this point

His main point of not being someone's employee is an admirable goal. However, we all have to answer to someone else in some capacity personally and professionally. I have a friend in Manhattan that acts the same way. He's says stop acting like a slave for working for someone else even though he has a trust fund and works in real estate. That doesn't go over well for the average person on the street so hopefully no one takes Dame serious in that particular regard.

In all honesty, people want to know about the business of public figures in the spotlight so Dame is out of line by assassinating the character of DJ Envy and Charlemagne. People watch his pockets because he's the dude that clowned people earlier.

Dame's point of confident black men being labeled as arrogant is 100% true. With that said, Dame brought the arrogant label on himself with his actions during the Roc-a-fella run. If he acted 20 to 30% nicer then he wouldn't have the arrogant label.

there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be an entrepreneur. anyone who is legally and successfully self-employed should pat themselves on the back - not an easy thing.

however, he doesn't know about Envy. not only was Envy an entrepreneur in his own way, but he actually made money off of flipping YOUR product (your records on his mixtapes) without actually PAYING you. Envy is an employee of Hot 97, sure, but he's acting like his kids are gonna see him as some burger jockey. Nah, he's a talent who would be highly sought after at other places so in that sense, he IS a business that other businesses would pay for - like a valuable piece of software or something. additionally, i'm sure he's invested in a lot of shit that also makes him an entrepreneur. you can be an employee AND a boss.

i don't know. dame trippin.

commercial break because me and that mofo woulda been in that studio BRAWLIN if he was coming at me the way he was going at Envy...


My fuse is too short to be lettin another man disrespect me

I was listening in my bed this morning...getting heated

i'm only at the 18min mark, but shit you could tell it was tense

Dame as soon as he started all that money relative talk spoke in a tone he was trying to intimidate them. it's so damn immature

i mean, it woulda been hard for me not to come over the desk.

but i pray i'd be professional and not let him get under my skin that i'd go that far.

because Charlemagne had on a Jayz hat and a rock nation t-shirt

Becsuse he wasn't nearly as hostile last week when he was on Sway in the morning

Becsuse he went from 0 to 100 before the interview even really got started...

lol good lord

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Envy: He comes to work because he wants to. His investments are solid and he chooses to come to work because he enjoys it. Not because of the paycheck.

Dame: He doesn't work for anyone, he doesn't answer to anyone. He's his own boss, makes his own money etc.

I don't see anything wrong with either perspective, but I think Dame's would be perceived much better if he would calm the fuck down in all these interviews. He made the same point on Combat Jack about working for others (i.e. Funkmaster Flex) but he was calmer.

That said. Dame be wilin'

pour all your liquid cash into a project and repeat
i'm not against the be your own boss thing but
that I'm rich monday and poor wednesday model is the worst idea ever

he line stepped CRAZY

Just because someone is an asshole or has other flaws doesn't mean there isn't anything you can take from what they're saying.

The core points are here:

Video 1 (from 20:17 - 22:30)
https://youtu.be/KO0M9M83Bx0?t=20m17s

Video 2 (from 18:13 - 22:37)
https://youtu.be/gY2h6uu16Bs?t=18m13s

Out of all the nonsense and yelling, that's really it.

One of the main problems with Dame is that he speaks in absolutes, so it's easy for people to poke holes, argue exceptions, etc. etc.

But his sentiment comes from a real place and has a lot of truth to it.

Also, it isn't new. As black people especially, we're always talking about how we don't own anything. The problem is his extremism.

if everyone is a boss aint no workers...

yes strive to be a boss but doesn't mean you're a failure if you have don't reach your goal....

years.

His point is about having faith in yourself and wanting more than what someone else decides you should have.

Like I said, he's an extremist. Of course EVERYONE can't be a boss from infancy to death. But the average person never comes close to chasing their full potential out of fear of a loss of a sense of security.

>if everyone is a boss aint no workers...
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but again his "business model" sucks... dump all your money in a project and hope it works every other day...

goin as far as writing a book about so-called culture vultures yet havin no problem belittling the common man who wakes up every morning to provide for his family with his job.... the same common man who is the the consumer of said culture.... as if there's something dishonorable in being a bus driver or working retail ...

u can be pro-entrepreneurship and motivate ppl 2 be business owners without disrespecting the blue collar class.... it really aint hard...

effective in making SOME people take a hard look at themselves.

Many people will just write if off and keep moving.

But for some people it can be a wake-up call.

If you say to someone "ummm... you should ummm... kinda consider.. a different hairstyle..", they'll say yeah okay and keep moving for the most part.

But if you say to someone "Yo, your hair is FUCKED UP! WOW! How can you walk around like that??" They may say "Fuck you."... and then go to the bathroom and look in the mirror.

Different things work for different people.

And I said "SOME" clearly, so you arguing that it isn't effective for most is redundant.

The irony.

thks
mgmt

the eternal iron knee

>goin as far as writing a book about so-called culture
>vultures yet havin no problem belittling the common man who
>wakes up every morning to provide for his family with his
>job.... the same common man who is the the consumer of said
>culture.... as if there's something dishonorable in being a
>bus driver or working retail ...
>
>u can be pro-entrepreneurship and motivate ppl 2 be business
>owners without disrespecting the blue collar class.... it
>really aint hard...


Indeed....

Dame doesn't leave any room for their to be exceptions. You either do business his way or you suck and just someone's employee. No middle ground.

I actually can understand him not wanting to talk about how he and Jay became cool because now they aint that cool AND with this FEDS stuff I'd want to minimize my association too (if I was Dame that is).

IF everyone could be an entrepreneur....then everyone would. A lot of the bosses he is complaining about WERE and ARE entrepreneurs lol There is ALWAYS gonna be a boss and theres always gonna be employees. I agree some people should strive for more. Some can't, some don't have it in them and thats ok. They know their role, they know their ceiling, they are comfortable with those things. Let it be. No need to disrespect them. Do you really think Dame was putting up all the money and never had to answer to anyone his whole life? Do you even know his family or their background, he may have been in the streets but he came from a good family who were hustling or knew business in general. Show me the receipts just because he says it doesnt mean shit, thats just being a chatty patty without proof. lol

At the end of the day no matter what the message is....delivery is everything. Nobody gives a fuck about the point you are making if you deliver it in a disrespectful manner. You can say the most positive uplifting shit in the world but if you are disrespectful with it....it doesnt matter. And lets stop pretending that he's not giving the message to be positive he's giving the message to ONE UP on you and look and feel he has it all figured out and you don't. I know tons of people like him who are all the same and they are all driven by one thing, and thats being the first. You notice how he randomly brought up the angel pendant only for the fact to telll them he "started" it lol. He is driven by his ego and the reason why he likes women around is not because men arent trust worthy its because he can easily be the biggest dick in the room. With other guys in the room who want to be in his spot, and rightfully so, he doesnt want to give people that chance. You notice that when they leave or become bigger this his spotlight hes more concerned about not being credited for their success than being happy for their actual success. Loudest person in the room is the most insecure. That will never change



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You said all that, and you basically agree with me.

His message came with a stark character judgment. He also has a very white, privileged republican perspective on it.

For all the tidbits of truth in there, there's an extremely judgmental nature to his words that extends far beyond simply speaking in absolutes and being an asshole.

There's a "let them eat cake", "bootstraps" nature to his "message".

Then he goes on about his "men" bullshit

Since his message IS nothing new and nothing that isn't easily found aat the click of a button and wouldn't be stumbled upon- likely on the very show this ignorant pile of shit used for the platform for this bullshit- we absolutely can throw the baby out with the bath water. Fuck him and the entirety of his message.

I have a friend and former boss, Kory Minor, who used to play in the NFL. His whole post-NFL career has been dedicated to an encouraging, uplifting message that doesn't belittle the people he's speaking to and doesn't wrap itself in simplistic bullshit that ignores the challenges involved in reaching higher levels of success.

He's not the only messenger either. There's plenty more where he comes from.

Which method do you think reaches more people, more effectively?

So yeah, the messenger absolutely deserves to be shot on this one.

Fuck him and everything about him.

than Dash is.

Everybody and their mama is a motivational speaker, life coach, so on and so forth.

And no matter how nice, encouraging, and uplifting they are, people listen and go right back to doing the same bullshit they do everyday.

So it is what it is.

Am I saying that Dame Dash should go around preaching the truth to the young back youth? No.

I'm just essentially saying that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I take it for what it is. A lot of it is based on his own bitterness and insecurity, and a core part of it is true.

Seems he hurt some people's feelings, but the truth usually does.

>Everybody and their mama is a motivational speaker, life
>coach, so on and so forth.

Right, and that's my point. The message is out there, given by far better messengers than this prick. There's nothing he's saying that's so valuable that we should excuse the mountain of bullshit attached to it because it's just that vital. His information is easily attainable and permeates the world without him.

It's got nothing to do with hurt feelings, either.

I don't get why you're jumping to the notion that people reacting negatively to his bullshit do so because their feelings were hurt or something "hit home" or whatever. That conclusion basically exists to make an excuse for his behavior and highly flawed, one sided perspectives. That's basically playing the "hater" card, designed to deflect criticism.

His message itself warrants criticism on it's own (lack of) merit. His method of delivery also warrants criticism.

None of that has a thing to do with "hurt feelings".

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>It's got nothing to do with hurt feelings, either.
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>I don't get why you're jumping to the notion that people
>reacting negatively to his bullshit do so because their
>feelings were hurt or something "hit home" or whatever. That
>conclusion basically exists to make an excuse for his behavior
>and highly flawed, one sided perspectives. That's basically
>playing the "hater" card, designed to deflect criticism.
>
>His message itself warrants criticism on it's own (lack of)
>merit. His method of delivery also warrants criticism.
>
>None of that has a thing to do with "hurt feelings".
>

It has everything to do with hurt feelings. People have taken offense to his position on maintaining a 9 to 5 and how he went at Envy. And I'm not just talking about this message board. I'm speaking in general.

I agree that what he did with Envy was not only uncalled for but inaccurate as Envy is an entrepreneur outside of working for the radio station.

But as far as the 9 to 5 shit, there's truth in that. A LOT. So like I said, I take it for what it is. His main point to Envy was that he (Envy) enjoys what he does and because of it he's okay with the fact that he doesn't own or dictate it when the reality is he can have both. I can accept that part as true and move on with my day.

That's really all there is to it.

I'm not advocating for him as a public speaker or even as the best businessman, I'm just saying the nigga had a point and probably reached a few people with it.

It ain't deep.

Some people can't accept a truth about health from an overweight person talking shit, but personally I can separate the truth from the person even if they aren't the best "representative".

>It has everything to do with hurt feelings. People have taken
>offense to his position on maintaining a 9 to 5 and how he
>went at Envy. And I'm not just talking about this message
>board. I'm speaking in general.

I disagree completely. People see the completely ignorant position he took on the matter because he kept talking about putting up your own money and investing in yourself while ignoring the fact that you have to first obtain that money, or that you still need to live, eat, feed your family, etc in the process. Truth be told, he's straight up delusional because he couldn't answer where he first got his money! I assume he dealt drugs, and that's the foundation of the disconnect. It's like Mitt Romney pretending he was dirt poor and pulled himself up by his trust old bootstraps and didn't have daddies money behind him.


>But as far as the 9 to 5 shit, there's truth in that. A LOT.

What truth, exactly?

>So like I said, I take it for what it is. His main point to
>Envy was that he (Envy) enjoys what he does and because of it
>he's okay with the fact that he doesn't own or dictate it when
>the reality is he can have both. I can accept that part as
>true and move on with my day.

It was a flawed character judgment though, and that was the teeth of the thing. He spoke about owning a radio station as though it's A. just that simple to pull off successfully, and B, that owning a radio station is even a sound investment to begin with. He's also ignoring the fact that there's a progression from point a to point b even as he spoke of a situation with his movie business where he wasn't always the boss. He spoke entirely in terms of character judgment and there's no truth to that judgment as far as I'm concerned.

>Some people can't accept a truth about health from an
>overweight person talking shit, but personally I can separate
>the truth from the person even if they aren't the best
>"representative".

You're talking about this in a vacuum though. It's not as simple as "oh, his message was true but he was mean in the way he said it".

The heart of Dash's message was the character judgment, the notion that Envy was somehow less of a man for having a job, for even working the very radio format he was using to spit his bullshit. He was talking down to a successful person for being less successful than himself and conveying the message that being the boss and owning your own shit is something simple and attainable, the money that it takes to get to that point is also simple and attainable, and anyone who doesn't attain these things is less of a man. That was the core message to be had there.

Meanwhile, as he shit on Envy and the format (selling gossip), he used that platform to promote his sons cookie. Let me call this plumber to fix this problem then shit on the plumber for not being a better man and owning his own plumbing business or shit on him for not doing something bigger/better. Him being mean really isn't the issue.

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>I disagree completely. People see the completely ignorant
>position he took on the matter because he kept talking about
>putting up your own money and investing in yourself while
>ignoring the fact that you have to first obtain that money, or
>that you still need to live, eat, feed your family, etc in the
>process. Truth be told, he's straight up delusional because he
>couldn't answer where he first got his money! I assume he
>dealt drugs, and that's the foundation of the disconnect. It's
>like Mitt Romney pretending he was dirt poor and pulled
>himself up by his trust old bootstraps and didn't have daddies
>money behind him.


You can't speak for all people in this instance, only people who think like you. And your whole notion just further proves my point! Part of the problem is that he speaks in absolutes, while situations are different. I already established that.

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>>But as far as the 9 to 5 shit, there's truth in that. A LOT.
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>What truth, exactly?
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The truth that ownership allows for more freedom and passing on to the next generation. You plan to pass your job to your kids? Can you hire your kid without getting it cleared thru multiple people if you don't own it?

>>So like I said, I take it for what it is. His main point to
>>Envy was that he (Envy) enjoys what he does and because of
>it
>>he's okay with the fact that he doesn't own or dictate it
>when
>>the reality is he can have both. I can accept that part as
>>true and move on with my day.
>
>It was a flawed character judgment though, and that was the
>teeth of the thing. He spoke about owning a radio station as
>though it's A. just that simple to pull off successfully, and
>B, that owning a radio station is even a sound investment to
>begin with. He's also ignoring the fact that there's a
>progression from point a to point b even as he spoke of a
>situation with his movie business where he wasn't always the
>boss. He spoke entirely in terms of character judgment and
>there's no truth to that judgment as far as I'm concerned.
>

Thats not what I got from that but you're free to.

>>Some people can't accept a truth about health from an
>>overweight person talking shit, but personally I can
>separate
>>the truth from the person even if they aren't the best
>>"representative".
>
>You're talking about this in a vacuum though. It's not as
>simple as "oh, his message was true but he was mean in the way
>he said it".
>
>The heart of Dash's message was the character judgment, the
>notion that Envy was somehow less of a man for having a job,
>for even working the very radio format he was using to spit
>his bullshit. He was talking down to a successful person for
>being less successful than himself and conveying the message
>that being the boss and owning your own shit is something
>simple and attainable, the money that it takes to get to that
>point is also simple and attainable, and anyone who doesn't
>attain these things is less of a man. That was the core
>message to be had there.

That's not what I got from it but you're free to.
>
>Meanwhile, as he shit on Envy and the format (selling gossip),
>he used that platform to promote his sons cookie. Let me call
>this plumber to fix this problem then shit on the plumber for
>not being a better man and owning his own plumbing business or
>shit on him for not doing something bigger/better. Him being
>mean really isn't the issue.

Yes, you can call a plumbing company for a plumber and tell the plumber that he could own his own plumbing company with your main fault being that you weren't nice about it and give him ALL the steps he needs to accomplish it. It won't make it any less true.

Look, my position is clear. I agree with some of what he said, not all he said and did. I provided direct links to what I agreed with. My point is that many people cannot separate the message from the messenger. Many people may agree with some of what he said as well, but can't overlook that he's an asshole. If that isn't you, then it ain't about you. I never said you HAD to agree with him. I said I did (in part). The title of this post is "Dame Dash is being a real asshole" NOT "Dame Dash is telling lies..." so yes, my point is that you can still take something away from what an asshole has said while he is in the act of being an asshole.

to bet on yourself
outside of being your own boss by selling drugs (smh)

So damn annoying.

I'm 12 minutes in and I'm struggling to finish this bullshit. He's spitting all this half-assed "knowledge" that sounds like some shit a 16 year old boy would say.

He's insecure as a mother fucker to boot. His whole perspective on what constitutes a man is obnoxious, myopic and just plain stupid.

Frankly, he's the kind of ignorant prick I'd pay to see get his ass whooped.

>He's insecure as a mother fucker to boot. His whole
>perspective on what constitutes a man is obnoxious, myopic and
>just plain stupid.
>

This interview is even worse than the last one. He has doubled down on the untruths and turned up the assholia so much its hitting the reds.

His formula for entrepreneurship (unproven track record outside of music by the way) is not applicable to 99.9999% of his audience. All this talk about putting your own dough up (bad business by the way if you have other options) is great if you have a few milion sitting in the bank from the days a major corporation was cutting your cheques for a joint venture. Or if you happen to have a line of credit from drug dealers and loan sharks.

Second not everybody is cut out to be an entrepreneur or boss. Does not make them any less of a "real man". The world stays in motion because people show up to work in exchange for compensation.

Once your company goes public, you can't take money out of it casually or slot your children in as easily. But at the same time, the richest men in the world all took their companies public at some point or bought shares in a public company. If they're not "real men" then real men are overrated.

The type of people that think Dame is dropping knowledge or has a special insight are the same type of cats that get roped into Amway type pyramid schemes or are willing to pay a few hundred dollars to go listen to a motivational business speaker whose real income comes mostly from giving talks. Suckers.

he's got an awful lot of Hannity in his message.

Demagogue

noun
1.
a person, especially an orator or political leader, who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people.


Demagoguery is always polarizing, and always relies on binaries( two theoretical opposites which are strictly defined and set off against one another)

Demagoguery can look “rational” in that it can provide a lot of data, numbers, assertions, and even analyses
It is not distinguished by emotionalism or populism(appeals to the hopes and fears) of the general people, especially contrasting those interests with the interests of the elite.

I am not sure I follow.

"who appeals to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the lower classes in order to gain power"

I didn't even know there was a specific name for people like Dame...lol
Thanks

he should jswitch the topic and just start talking about his new projects rather than continuiing to talk about about not talking about jay.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

in his face.

*temporary if you have funds.

and then started lecturing on masculinity.

Fuck this dude.

>and then started lecturing on masculinity.
>
>Fuck this dude.

yoooo....nice observation....lol

and I never realized, until now, that they were sold there.

15 years ago he defined it by making money and having lots of cash. He doesn't have that now so its all about being your own boss. I mean what else he has over envy right now?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

because he saved his money and that makes him a sucker


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lol at folks parsing the logic of a former dboys' understanding of the path to economic empowerment.

shit wasn't even abt that.

charlemagne had the jay-z gear on for god sake. a lesser nigga wlda blew his chest out for that alone.

envy obviously still got a hard-on for dame that goes back to dealing w/him in his prime

dame came in w/reinforcements to keep them niggas honest & showed them niggas how to be an asshole.

this was not cnbc. this was barbershop 3. dame won.

http://www.unbrokensky.sweet-redemption.net/gifs/bbt-pnnyshldn-exactly.gif

>lol at folks parsing the logic of a former dboys'
>understanding of the path to economic empowerment.
>
>shit wasn't even abt that.
>
>charlemagne had the jay-z gear on for god sake. a lesser nigga
>wlda blew his chest out for that alone.
>
>envy obviously still got a hard-on for dame that goes back to
>dealing w/him in his prime
>
>dame came in w/reinforcements to keep them niggas honest &
>showed them niggas how to be an asshole.
>
>this was not cnbc. this was barbershop 3. dame won.
>

>>lol at folks parsing the logic of a former dboys'
>>understanding of the path to economic empowerment.
>>
>>shit wasn't even abt that.
>>
>>charlemagne had the jay-z gear on for god sake. a lesser
>nigga
>>wlda blew his chest out for that alone.
>>
>>envy obviously still got a hard-on for dame that goes back
>to
>>dealing w/him in his prime
>>
>>dame came in w/reinforcements to keep them niggas honest &
>>showed them niggas how to be an asshole.
>>
>>this was not cnbc. this was barbershop 3. dame won.
>>
>

His substance was poo poo though and I am mad that Envy and Charlemagne couldn't spar with him.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

dame overtalked them whenever they were trying to get back at him.

let me ask you a question....he says that as much as he says pause. one phrase is defensive, the other immature. insecurity is written all over this dude.

Now Steve Ballmer is a boss..
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Dame said several times that his opinion isnt the final word on any subject and clearly stated that he has these arguments/discussion with people in his own circle (even had one or two during the interview). his delivery is aggressive/Harlem/black, but the only reason it went south is cause Envy (like much of OKP) is so sensitive. Charlamagne disagreed w/ Dame and their portions went waaaay smoother and stayed humorous.

i was entertained and Envy is a clown in general, so no sympathy

Dame is like the guy in your hood that has a van where he runs his mobile car wash/carpet cleaning/snow removal/landscaping business.

And he can't shut up about how he his own boss and he don't have to answer to nobody and take orders like some kind if slave.

But the thing is, yeah he got the independent hustle goin on but at the end of the day, my 9-5 straight job working with/for a bunch if squares puts more money in my pocket than your various side schemes.

So you looking down on me when i can out spend you. That's what Envy feels towards Dame. Talk that shit all you want but you not seeing me...

>Dame is like the guy in your hood that has a van where he
>runs his mobile car wash/carpet cleaning/snow
>removal/landscaping business.


LMAO! my stomach hurts!

He had no words when it came to owning shit or how much he's worth.

And that's an 8 figure company, let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.

the business itself is still running and the RACHEL line is still being sold in Macy's. The company isn't defunct.

point. but there's nothing that suggests that Envy has more money than Dame

Considering several of you have said much worse things to people on OKP and meant every word of it.
Keep going though, don't let me stop you.

I loved when he said "He dont' wanna do that'.

I really like his definitive stance on manhood. I wish he would right a book.

He just shitted all over radio host.

Entrepreneurial types don't get that. They think everyone else just doesn't get how great it is to own your own business. But that's not for everybody. Most people would do best with a 9 - 5.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

NEVER, EVER use your own money, if at all possible. No honor in putting up your own money. It's the exact opposite. Always, at ALL possible times stay liquid, keep your stash, borrow against it if need be but don't spend it if it's not necessary.

His message is a dangerous one.

If we are doing anything for profit we always have a boss. It's always either your customers, your investors or your board of directors.

Challenger-

Nothing wrong with investing in something yourself if you're building and getting a long term return on it.

You should never use your own money unless it is the only option. It's why kickstarter, VC firms, investors, credit unions are brought in to supplement a business or product.

Now if we are taking $20-$1000 I get your point, or paying for classes for certifications or trade, maybe, but even then I would check with my company or the course itself for options before using my own $.

Challenger-

want you to have some skin in the game and have some of your own money invested in the venture.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

>want you to have some skin in the game
Sweat equity and the value of your idea is enough "skin"

>and have some of your
>own money invested in the venture.
It has never been a requirement and will not make/break an investment deal in a lucrative opportunity.

How much actual money do you think a pimple faced tech nerd fresh out of school has to put into the next instagram or skype? Their Time and their idea is their main asset. Family/Friends then Angel Investors then VC and maybe PE and lastly IPO is the usual order of investment.

>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

dealing with them is such a pain in the ass. knowing how their minds work is super important though

Also, suggesting your should never use your own money just isn't true.

Many, if not most, may favor other people's money but to say that one should "never" use their own money is just false.

a business can only be as successful as the size and quality of the market it attempts to serve, that's a pretty fundamental principle.

edit:typo

100% agree.

"... If you don't move your feet then we don't eat so we like neck and Neck!" - 3000

Challenger-

Chik-Fil-A says no.

Guess what?

They wait until monday.

Your customer is not your boss.

Influence and authority are two different things.

Stop it.

A boss dictates how a business OPERATES.

Customers do not have that authority.

Walkman, CDs, iTunes, spotify ...

Others - Block cell phones, flip phones, blackberry, iphone, Samsung Galaxy, smart watches ... Desktop computers, think pads, laptops, smartphones

Evolution. Change in consumer market = adapt or become irrelevant = your boss

Challenger-

My point stands.

Outliers exist but do not disprove the whole ... or my point.

But let you tell it ...

Challenger-

When you produce a good product you get to make your own rules.

“We built the Mac for ourselves. We were the group of people who were going to judge whether it was great or not. We weren’t going to go out and do market research.” -Steve Jobs

You don't necessarily need to assimilate to what the market dictates.

Chipotle only makes quesedillas as part of kids meals. They also don't offer cheese sauces. If you want cheese, take your ass to Qdoba.

There's a soul food spot in my area that specializes in breakfast but doesn't open until 11am. So you essentially get "brunch". They don't need to open when iHop (the next closest breakfast spot) does. The people will wait.

Are there some compromises at times? Sure.

But there again, there's a difference between influence and authority.

The consumers INFLUENCE certain business decisions. They do not DICTATE them.

They do not decide who you hire, your schedule, your employees schedule, uniforms, products, product decisions...nothing

Therefore, they are not the "boss".

"You're only a customer".

>NEVER, EVER use your own money, if at all possible. No honor
>in putting up your own money. It's the exact opposite. Always,
>at ALL possible times stay liquid, keep your stash, borrow
>against it if need be but don't spend it if it's not
>necessary.
>
>His message is a dangerous one.
>
>If we are doing anything for profit we always have a boss.
>It's always either your customers, your investors or your
>board of directors.
>
>Challenger-

If I have a cupcake shop that sells only vanilla cupcakes can a customer walk in and tell me to make chocolate cupcakes? It's not the same.

But the problem with Dame is he making it seem like it's bad to have a boss. Some people need to take direction and there's nothing wrong with that. It's more about having a good/fair boss.

and you don't accommodate, you're probably a bad businessperson.

I have a cousin who bought a coffee shop and only sold coffee, no pastries, etc. She also didn't open up until 9am(It was on a semi-major highway in rural Wisconsin, with tons of commuter traffic). Two of the most important things about owning a coffee shop are being open when people want to drink coffee, and having food to go along with the coffee. She no longer has a coffee shop because she wouldn't provide what the market demanded.

A business creates and delivers something of value that people want or need at a price they are willing to pay that generates enough profit for it to be valuable enough for the owner to keep it open.

with Dame work for him? I wanna see more of OG Daniel though, dude is like a cross between Rick Ross and Isaac Hayes, lol.

That Envy dude is a pussy that got punked on his own show.

>with Dame work for him? I wanna see more of OG Daniel though,
>dude is like a cross between Rick Ross and Isaac Hayes, lol.
>

I could see it now.

with Ebro, I think.

This reminds of me of conversations between college homies from NY that would just get loud and go nowhere...

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.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

And dame is an asshole

He's got admirable intentions but he's mad disrespectful. He better hope he never needs anyone to work for him because he's already called them a peon and somebody that their children can't look up to.

My employees are like family and we are a team. Wouldn't be any me without them.

And yes, I am very proud that I've built something that I can hand over to my children if they want it. My oldest daughter is an assistant director at one of my businesses. The interesting thing is, I spoke with her recently about her taking over completely when I'm ready to move out of the country (yep.. Within 10 yrs I will be international) and she wants no part of what I built. She only wants to build her own business, lol. And last year she started a business of her own. She's working it part time but is already pulling in almost $1000 a month as a teenager.

It's the entrepreneurial mentality that you pass on to your kids… It's pride in your work. It's focus. It's the lesson that you can do anything if you want to.

There are plenty of people in this world who worked their entire lives at menial jobs to give their children a better life and they instilled in their children every single value that I hope to instill in mind. And I'll be damned if dame tries to say they are unworthy of their children's gratitude or pride.

Fuck him.

Smart dumb muthafucka.


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The one boss I had like that was successful financially, but he cultivated a HORRIBLE work environment with his constant asshole-ish-ness, and eventually pushed out every talented employee with options. When the boss is the biggest crybaby in the company, there's no hope for positive employee morale.

On the other hand, I also worked for a much wealthier (low-7 figures vs. the mid-6 figure asshole) and dude was one of the best bosses that I've had. Positive, encouraging, forward-looking and knew how to maintain relationships. If he needed some help with something today I got him because of how much I liked working for him.

>
>My employees are like family and we are a team. Wouldn't be
>any me without them.
>


.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

>And yes, I am very proud that I've built something that I can
>hand over to my children if they want it. My oldest daughter
>is an assistant director at one of my businesses. The
>interesting thing is, I spoke with her recently about her
>taking over completely when I'm ready to move out of the
>country (yep.. Within 10 yrs I will be international) and she
>wants no part of what I built. She only wants to build her own
>business, lol. And last year she started a business of her
>own. She's working it part time but is already pulling in
>almost $1000 a month as a teenager.
>
>It's the entrepreneurial mentality that you pass on to your
>kids… It's pride in your work. It's focus. It's the lesson
>that you can do anything if you want to.

People just don't like the arrogance and the extra shit he laid on top of those points.

But being so polarizing has sparked dialogue across multiple platforms on the topic of ownership. People that don't normally talk about this are talking about it.

I can appreciate that even if I don't agree with him 100%.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/how-damon-dash-blew-through-a-50-million-fortune/

How Damon Dash Launched Jay-Z And Roc-A-Fella Records Then Blew Through A $50 Million FortuneRandom Celebrity ArticleBy Brian Warner on March 15, 2015

In the late 90s and early 2000s, hip hop entrepreneur Damon Dash was on top of the world. At the time, Dash was the CEO of the hottest rap label in music, Roc-A-Fella Records, with powerhouse roster artists like Jay-Z, Kanye West, Memphis Bleek, Beanie Sigel, DJ Clue and Juelz Santana. Dash was also the CEO of the wildly successful Rocawear clothing line which was reportedly generating annual revenues of $350 – $450 million. As if this wasn't enough, Dash was testing the waters in Hollywood by executive producing the critically acclaimed 2004 Kevin Bacon film "The Woodsman". Perhaps most importantly, without Dash, the world would likely never have heard the name Jay-Z at all. With the above resume, you'd have to assume that today Damon Dash must be worth hundreds of millions of dollars and is presiding over a dynasty that rivals Russell Simmons, Diddy or Dr. Dre, right? Unfortunately that is not the case. Today Damon Dash is not only broke, but he owes millions of dollars to the IRS and has had several properties seized through foreclosure. How did this happen? The story of how Damon Dash launched Jay-Z's career and Roc-A-Fella Records then blew through a reported $50 million fortune is a sad and shocking cautionary tale.

Dash Meets Jay-Z

After getting expelled from three different high schools, Damon Dash fell into a bad crowd and began selling drugs. Dealing earned him plenty of cash but it came with a price. Damon quit the drug game after seeing too many friends end up dead. Thankfully, Damon quickly discovered that he was a born promoter. He and a group of friends launched a mini business throwing parties and promoting clubs. One night, he announced that the first 100 girls in line at a club opening would get free bottles of Moet Chandon champagne. A line around the block formed hours before the doors even opened, and while Damon actually lost money on the promotion, he solidified his reputation as the hottest promoter in New York. Soon Damon decided he could be just as successful promoting musical acts as he was clubs. Through his cousin's step father, Damon landed his first management client, a rap group called Future Sound. Not long after, Dash had arranged for Future Sound to sign a deal with Atlantic Records under an executive named Rodolfo Franklin. In addition to being a record executive, Franklin moonlighted as a DJ under the name "DJ Clark Kent". It was Rodolfo who, in 1994, first alerted Dash to an ambitious former drug dealer from Brooklyn who was looking to launch a rap career. That rapper's name was Sean Carter, soon to be known as Jay-Z. Jay-Z was unlike anyone else in rap at the time. He was the fastest rapper Damon had ever heard and he didn't write anything down, instead reciting every rhyme straight from memory. Furthermore, like most popular artists of the day like DMX, Snoop Dogg, Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac, Jay-Z didn't rap about murder and crime. Jay-Z's lyrics tended to focus mainly on living a lavish Playboy lifestyle filled with girls, money, boats, cars and champagne. Bling Bling!

Roc-A-Fella Records Is Born

At the time, Jay-Z was a bit of an underdog in the music industry. He had tried and failed for years to secure his own record deal but was rejected for being too old or not appearing hard enough. Jay didn't fit the mold of fellow typical Brooklyn rappers who wore gold teeth and sang exclusively about dealing drugs and killing people. With Jay-Z as his partner, Damon Dash founded Roc-A-Fella records. The name was a play on oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, the richest American of all time who died with an inflation adjusted net worth of $340 billion. The name was also a nod to a famous Brooklyn drug dealer named Rocafella who Jay-Z idolized as a young hustler. That Rocafella is the one who died of AIDS and is immortalized in the NAS song "Ether" ("Rocafella died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after?").

Damon wanted Jay to film a music video as fast as possible but there was just one problem. Roc-A-Fella Records had no money. To raise cash, Damon sought an investment from a well connected street hustler named Kareem "Biggs" Burke. Damon took 100% of Burke's $16,000 investment and poured it into producing a music video for Jay's song "In My Lifetime" on the Caribbean island of St. Thomas. Burke also arranged for Jay and Damon to have access to a wealthy local kingpin's mansion and speed boat for the video:

The gamble paid off and soon Roc-A-Fella record's only artist was getting courted by all the major record companies. Unfortunately, none of the major labels would agree to one of Damon's outrageous demands. Damon Dash demanded that Roc-A-Fella would maintain ownership of Jay-Z's master recordings. Owning the master would turn out to be a brilliant financial decision as Jay-Z's back catalogue still sells millions of units, even almost 20 years later. Only one record company was willing to acquiesce to such insane demands, a little known label called Freeze Records. As fate would have it, shortly after signing Jay-Z, Freeze Records was sold for scraps to Russell Simmons and Lyor Cohen's Def Jam Records after experiencing severe financial setbacks.

Roc-A-Fella Records Rises To The Top

Russell Simmons and Lyor Cohen's leadership combined with Roc-A-Fella's sheer talent and hustle helped Jay-Z's debut album "Reasonable Doubt" to sell over 1.5 million copies in its first year. A year later Jay's album "In My Lifetime, Vol. 1″ would sell another 1.5 million copies. By 1998, Jay's album "Hard Knock Life" would sell a whopping 12 million copies world wide making Roc-A-Fella the most important label at Def Jam. The ensuing 54-city "Hard Knock Life" music tour generated $20 million in profits. Simultaneously, Damon and Jay had launched a clothing line called "Rocawear" and a brand of vodka called "Armadale Vodka". Rocawear and Armadale's sales exploded every time the products appeared in one of Jay's videos. In the year 2000 Rocawear's sales generated revenue of $50 million per year.

The Downfall Of Damon Dash

Between 2002 and 2004 Damon Dash went on a tear starting companies, signing new artists and generally living the life of a super successful hip hop mogul. He had amassed an army of mega-talented future stars like Kanye West, Cam'ron and Beanie Sigel. Roc-A-Fella had survived the 9/11 attacks (which happened the same day Jay's album "The Blueprint" debuted), Jay-Z's arrest on assault charges and the tragic death of Dash's girlfriend Aaliyah. Rocawear had expanded to five different clothing and shoe lines and was bringing in $350 – $450 million per year in annual sales. Damon was even producing movies like the critically acclaimed Kevin Bacon film "The Woodsman".

Fittingly, Dash lived a very opulent life that reportedly included butlers, private chefs, bodyguards, a mansion in Beverly Hills, a Tribeca loft, a $35,000 per month London apartment and a $400,000 Maybach. Dash was also famous for only wearing his shoes, socks, jeans and shirts once, before tossing them away. Unfortunately, all was not well with the one person who mattered most, Damon's most talented artist and business partner Jay-Z.

Jay had increasingly grown tired of Damon's ever growing ego and paranoia. The employees at Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam and Rocawear were terrified of Damon's never ending temper tantrums over the smallest of issues. He fired dozens of talented executives and burned bridges left and right. For his part, Damon began to resent Jay's increasing distance from their company and new alliance with Def Jam honcho Lyor Cohen. Rumors flew throughout 2002 and 2004, that Damon and Jay were breaking up and no longer speaking. Tensions came to a head after Jay-Z and Kareem Burke refused to allow Damon to spend $3 million on a single print ad campaign for Armadale Vodka featuring Kevin Bacon and Naomi Campbell. From that point on Jay and Damon really were not speaking anymore. Damon was also being excluded from many high profile meetings at Def Jam regarding his own artists. The writing was on the wall.

The Breakup

On December 24, 2004, Jay-Z asked his old friend Damon Dash to meet him at an Italian restaurant in Manhattan called Da Silvano. Prior to this meeting, the three Roc-A-Fella founders had already agreed to sell their label to Def Jam for $10 million, but Dash was shocked by another piece of the deal that he did not see coming. Each partner would take home $3 million, but only Jay would be promoted to be the President of Def Jam. Even worse, Jay refused to allow Dash to keep the "Roc-A-Fella" name. The final blow occurred when all of Roc-A-Fella's artists were offered the option to stay with Jay at Def Jam or go with Damon to a new label of his own forming. Most artists, including future superstar Kanye West chose to stay with Jay.

The few artists who went with Dash to his new label saw their albums bomb on the charts and the new record label venture quickly imploded. On the other hand, Damon and Jay were still connected via Rocawear. They each still owned 25% of the company. After the Kevin Bacon/Naomi Campbell fiasco, Dash was invited to a meeting at an upscale hotel room in New York. When he asked why they were meeting at a hotel room instead of the Rocawear offices, the partners replied "so no one will hear you scream". By the end of the meeting, Dash was expelled from the company with a $22 million buyout that reportedly only resulted in $7 million in cash.

Foreclosures

Betwen 2004 and 2009 Damon launched and shuttered a string of failed ventures. His new record company, Roc La Familia, folded, as did clothing line The Damon Dash Collection. Dash's wife divorced him and he was sued for $15 million over an alleged rape. Shockingly, by April 2009, Damon Dash, who at his peak had an estimated personal net worth of $50 million, was flat broke.

In his divorce proceedings, Dash revealed to a judge that he actually owed $2 million in back taxes and was in the midst of foreclosure on two New York city apartments. He was also being sued by several NYC law firms and various other creditors for lack of payment. His Chevy Tahoe had been repossessed after he could not keep up with the $700 monthly payments. Dash was forced to vacate his $9 million Tribeca New York home which was later sold in foreclosure for $5.5 million. Meanwhile, Jay-Z would go on to sell Rocawear to Iconix Brand Group for $219 million. Jay also sold millions more albums for Def Jam and in 2008 signed a new $150 million record deal with Live Nation. Today Jay-Z is married to Beyonce and has a personal net worth of $475 million. Damon Dash is still trying to hustle his way back to the top, but only time will tell if he can reach the same heights.

>http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/how-damon-dash-blew-through-a-50-million-fortune/
>
>How Damon Dash Launched Jay-Z And Roc-A-Fella Records Then
>Blew Through A $50 Million FortuneRandom Celebrity ArticleBy
>Brian Warner on March 15, 2015
>
>In the late 90s and early 2000s, hip hop entrepreneur Damon
>Dash was on top of the world. At the time, Dash was the CEO of
>the hottest rap label in music, Roc-A-Fella Records, with
>powerhouse roster artists like Jay-Z, Kanye West, Memphis
>Bleek, Beanie Sigel, DJ Clue and Juelz Santana. Dash was also
>the CEO of the wildly successful Rocawear clothing line which
>was reportedly generating annual revenues of $350 – $450
>million. As if this wasn't enough, Dash was testing the waters
>in Hollywood by executive producing the critically acclaimed
>2004 Kevin Bacon film "The Woodsman". Perhaps most
>importantly, without Dash, the world would likely never have
>heard the name Jay-Z at all. With the above resume, you'd have
>to assume that today Damon Dash must be worth hundreds of
>millions of dollars and is presiding over a dynasty that
>rivals Russell Simmons, Diddy or Dr. Dre, right? Unfortunately
>that is not the case. Today Damon Dash is not only broke, but
>he owes millions of dollars to the IRS and has had several
>properties seized through foreclosure. How did this happen?
>The story of how Damon Dash launched Jay-Z's career and
>Roc-A-Fella Records then blew through a reported $50 million
>fortune is a sad and shocking cautionary tale.
>
>Dash Meets Jay-Z
>
>After getting expelled from three different high schools,
>Damon Dash fell into a bad crowd and began selling drugs.
>Dealing earned him plenty of cash but it came with a price.
>Damon quit the drug game after seeing too many friends end up
>dead. Thankfully, Damon quickly discovered that he was a born
>promoter. He and a group of friends launched a mini business
>throwing parties and promoting clubs. One night, he announced
>that the first 100 girls in line at a club opening would get
>free bottles of Moet Chandon champagne. A line around the
>block formed hours before the doors even opened, and while
>Damon actually lost money on the promotion, he solidified his
>reputation as the hottest promoter in New York. Soon Damon
>decided he could be just as successful promoting musical acts
>as he was clubs. Through his cousin's step father, Damon
>landed his first management client, a rap group called Future
>Sound. Not long after, Dash had arranged for Future Sound to
>sign a deal with Atlantic Records under an executive named
>Rodolfo Franklin. In addition to being a record executive,
>Franklin moonlighted as a DJ under the name "DJ Clark Kent".
>It was Rodolfo who, in 1994, first alerted Dash to an
>ambitious former drug dealer from Brooklyn who was looking to
>launch a rap career. That rapper's name was Sean Carter, soon
>to be known as Jay-Z. Jay-Z was unlike anyone else in rap at
>the time. He was the fastest rapper Damon had ever heard and
>he didn't write anything down, instead reciting every rhyme
>straight from memory. Furthermore, like most popular artists
>of the day like DMX, Snoop Dogg, Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac,
>Jay-Z didn't rap about murder and crime. Jay-Z's lyrics tended
>to focus mainly on living a lavish Playboy lifestyle filled
>with girls, money, boats, cars and champagne. Bling Bling!
>
>Roc-A-Fella Records Is Born
>
>At the time, Jay-Z was a bit of an underdog in the music
>industry. He had tried and failed for years to secure his own
>record deal but was rejected for being too old or not
>appearing hard enough. Jay didn't fit the mold of fellow
>typical Brooklyn rappers who wore gold teeth and sang
>exclusively about dealing drugs and killing people. With Jay-Z
>as his partner, Damon Dash founded Roc-A-Fella records. The
>name was a play on oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, the richest
>American of all time who died with an inflation adjusted net
>worth of $340 billion. The name was also a nod to a famous
>Brooklyn drug dealer named Rocafella who Jay-Z idolized as a
>young hustler. That Rocafella is the one who died of AIDS and
>is immortalized in the NAS song "Ether" ("Rocafella died of
>AIDS, that was the end of his chapter And that's the guy y'all
>chose to name your company after?").
>
>Damon wanted Jay to film a music video as fast as possible but
>there was just one problem. Roc-A-Fella Records had no money.
>To raise cash, Damon sought an investment from a well
>connected street hustler named Kareem "Biggs" Burke. Damon
>took 100% of Burke's $16,000 investment and poured it into
>producing a music video for Jay's song "In My Lifetime" on the
>Caribbean island of St. Thomas. Burke also arranged for Jay
>and Damon to have access to a wealthy local kingpin's mansion
>and speed boat for the video:
>
>The gamble paid off and soon Roc-A-Fella record's only artist
>was getting courted by all the major record companies.
>Unfortunately, none of the major labels would agree to one of
>Damon's outrageous demands. Damon Dash demanded that
>Roc-A-Fella would maintain ownership of Jay-Z's master
>recordings. Owning the master would turn out to be a brilliant
>financial decision as Jay-Z's back catalogue still sells
>millions of units, even almost 20 years later. Only one record
>company was willing to acquiesce to such insane demands, a
>little known label called Freeze Records. As fate would have
>it, shortly after signing Jay-Z, Freeze Records was sold for
>scraps to Russell Simmons and Lyor Cohen's Def Jam Records
>after experiencing severe financial setbacks.
>
>Roc-A-Fella Records Rises To The Top
>
>Russell Simmons and Lyor Cohen's leadership combined with
>Roc-A-Fella's sheer talent and hustle helped Jay-Z's debut
>album "Reasonable Doubt" to sell over 1.5 million copies in
>its first year. A year later Jay's album "In My Lifetime, Vol.
>1″ would sell another 1.5 million copies. By 1998, Jay's
>album "Hard Knock Life" would sell a whopping 12 million
>copies world wide making Roc-A-Fella the most important label
>at Def Jam. The ensuing 54-city "Hard Knock Life" music tour
>generated $20 million in profits. Simultaneously, Damon and
>Jay had launched a clothing line called "Rocawear" and a brand
>of vodka called "Armadale Vodka". Rocawear and Armadale's
>sales exploded every time the products appeared in one of
>Jay's videos. In the year 2000 Rocawear's sales generated
>revenue of $50 million per year.
>
>The Downfall Of Damon Dash
>
>Between 2002 and 2004 Damon Dash went on a tear starting
>companies, signing new artists and generally living the life
>of a super successful hip hop mogul. He had amassed an army of
>mega-talented future stars like Kanye West, Cam'ron and Beanie
>Sigel. Roc-A-Fella had survived the 9/11 attacks (which
>happened the same day Jay's album "The Blueprint" debuted),
>Jay-Z's arrest on assault charges and the tragic death of
>Dash's girlfriend Aaliyah. Rocawear had expanded to five
>different clothing and shoe lines and was bringing in $350 –
>$450 million per year in annual sales. Damon was even
>producing movies like the critically acclaimed Kevin Bacon
>film "The Woodsman".
>
>Fittingly, Dash lived a very opulent life that reportedly
>included butlers, private chefs, bodyguards, a mansion in
>Beverly Hills, a Tribeca loft, a $35,000 per month London
>apartment and a $400,000 Maybach. Dash was also famous for
>only wearing his shoes, socks, jeans and shirts once, before
>tossing them away. Unfortunately, all was not well with the
>one person who mattered most, Damon's most talented artist and
>business partner Jay-Z.
>
>Jay had increasingly grown tired of Damon's ever growing ego
>and paranoia. The employees at Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam and
>Rocawear were terrified of Damon's never ending temper
>tantrums over the smallest of issues. He fired dozens of
>talented executives and burned bridges left and right. For his
>part, Damon began to resent Jay's increasing distance from
>their company and new alliance with Def Jam honcho Lyor Cohen.
>Rumors flew throughout 2002 and 2004, that Damon and Jay were
>breaking up and no longer speaking. Tensions came to a head
>after Jay-Z and Kareem Burke refused to allow Damon to spend
>$3 million on a single print ad campaign for Armadale Vodka
>featuring Kevin Bacon and Naomi Campbell. From that point on
>Jay and Damon really were not speaking anymore. Damon was also
>being excluded from many high profile meetings at Def Jam
>regarding his own artists. The writing was on the wall.
>
>The Breakup
>
>On December 24, 2004, Jay-Z asked his old friend Damon Dash to
>meet him at an Italian restaurant in Manhattan called Da
>Silvano. Prior to this meeting, the three Roc-A-Fella founders
>had already agreed to sell their label to Def Jam for $10
>million, but Dash was shocked by another piece of the deal
>that he did not see coming. Each partner would take home $3
>million, but only Jay would be promoted to be the President of
>Def Jam. Even worse, Jay refused to allow Dash to keep the
>"Roc-A-Fella" name. The final blow occurred when all of
>Roc-A-Fella's artists were offered the option to stay with Jay
>at Def Jam or go with Damon to a new label of his own forming.
>Most artists, including future superstar Kanye West chose to
>stay with Jay.
>
>The few artists who went with Dash to his new label saw their
>albums bomb on the charts and the new record label venture
>quickly imploded. On the other hand, Damon and Jay were still
>connected via Rocawear. They each still owned 25% of the
>company. After the Kevin Bacon/Naomi Campbell fiasco, Dash was
>invited to a meeting at an upscale hotel room in New York.
>When he asked why they were meeting at a hotel room instead of
>the Rocawear offices, the partners replied "so no one will
>hear you scream". By the end of the meeting, Dash was expelled
>from the company with a $22 million buyout that reportedly
>only resulted in $7 million in cash.
>
>Foreclosures
>
>Betwen 2004 and 2009 Damon launched and shuttered a string of
>failed ventures. His new record company, Roc La Familia,
>folded, as did clothing line The Damon Dash Collection. Dash's
>wife divorced him and he was sued for $15 million over an
>alleged rape. Shockingly, by April 2009, Damon Dash, who at
>his peak had an estimated personal net worth of $50 million,
>was flat broke.
>
>In his divorce proceedings, Dash revealed to a judge that he
>actually owed $2 million in back taxes and was in the midst of
>foreclosure on two New York city apartments. He was also being
>sued by several NYC law firms and various other creditors for
>lack of payment. His Chevy Tahoe had been repossessed after he
>could not keep up with the $700 monthly payments. Dash was
>forced to vacate his $9 million Tribeca New York home which
>was later sold in foreclosure for $5.5 million. Meanwhile,
>Jay-Z would go on to sell Rocawear to Iconix Brand Group for
>$219 million. Jay also sold millions more albums for Def Jam
>and in 2008 signed a new $150 million record deal with Live
>Nation. Today Jay-Z is married to Beyonce and has a personal
>net worth of $475 million. Damon Dash is still trying to
>hustle his way back to the top, but only time will tell if he
>can reach the same heights.
>
>

that don't even sound true...

but for the sake of making it more dramatic, it works...

>that don't even sound true...
>
>but for the sake of making it more dramatic, it works...

Damn, I should have given Nas more credit.

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https://twitter.com/blackpplvines/status/573674666226814978

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https://medium.com/@byroncrawford/dame-dash-owes-everyone-money-e7add9f4ba04

Being in the red is being a boss nowadays? Owing folks money is that *new* hustle? "money's all tied up in investments?" lol.