>People like Sarah_Bellum, navajo joe, MME, PoppaGeorge, are
>not just an effective retort to the whitewashing and plea
>copping done by Christians on behalf of these practices. It's
>not just a real life illustration of the kind of people Jesus
>was talking about in Matthew 23, whose outward appearance
>seems holy but is rotten within. It's also a sobering reminder
>that those of us who disagree aren't doing enough to turn the
>tide on this sort of behaviour, and modelling the alternative.
>
>
>I've seen people in this thread who I can't help but wonder
>whether their attitude towards the church would be so much
>different if it weren't for the Creflo figures in their lives.
>Even if they weren't to believe whole-heartedly maybe the
>church would still be seen as a more viable institution for
>partnership where there was an intersection of social agendas.
>The church is supposed to do for the least of us, as it would
>do for Jesus. I don't imagine it being appropriate to ask
>Jesus for $60 Million for a jet when he has food to put on the
>table for his family. It's ironic that so many non-Christians
>in this post view that principle similarly.
>
>The opportunities for collective action are squandered because
>too many Christians are worried about who gets the credit,
>rather than the vulnerable who stand to benefit.
>
>Like I said, it's been a sobering reminder.

i checked out so long ago and every time i check back in its cringeworthy
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