why isn't the stuff that you'd probably call foreplay sex?
there seems to be more to sex than in and out.

i've never had sex where in and out was all we did.
we also touched, fondled, looked at each other in a certain way and kissed.

why is that stuff not sex?

>why isn't the stuff that you'd probably call foreplay sex?
>there seems to be more to sex than in and out.
>
>i've never had sex where in and out was all we did.
>we also touched, fondled, looked at each other in a certain
>way and kissed.
>
>why is that stuff not sex?


It's all sex.

The 2 people.. sex.

The kissing.. sex.

The talking beforehand.. sex.

etc. etc.. etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2pe0oRkBcs

cosign for this classic link already.....
.

type the wrong thing and get clowned....
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if that's all you can picture doing with your vagina is putting it in someone's mouth...
this can't be life :(

not sex.

lots of ppl think that way.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EsBQ-86x--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/lqtfw416ghh4l2lgmejs.gif

>if that's all you can picture doing with your vagina is
>putting it in someone's mouth...
>this can't be life :(

labia, vulva, clitoris= yes
vagina= no
things can go in and out of it but you can't really put it in anything.

>labia, vulva, clitoris= yes
>vagina= no
>things can go in and out of it but you can't really put it in
>anything.

But this is what I meant

Come on now Biology Major.
*****************************************
huh

Referred to as a vagina, then fine we can do that. Whatever makes yall happy. Lol

- to save your personal money by splitting bills
- for companionship (optimally a best friend)
- to not wake up in a cold lonely bed (optimally assuming things are healthy)
- to have someone to look after you, make you better and grow with

etc.

but not to have anywhere near as much sex as you could have as a single man.

everything Chris Rock said about marriage is the truth, you throw away a lot of pussy for what you hope to be a lifetime with someone

>- to save your personal money by splitting bills
>- for companionship (optimally a best friend)
>- to not wake up in a cold lonely bed (optimally assuming
>things are healthy)
>- to have someone to look after you, make you better and grow
>with
>
>etc.
>
>but not to have anywhere near as much sex as you could have as
>a single man.


and actually according to a few studies, you actually have way MORE sex when you are in a committed relationship/married

my experience so far (6+ months in), marriage consumes a lot of energy that would otherwise be used for sex

>but not to have anywhere near as much sex as you could have as
>a single man.

it would seem that you would have more sex by having ONE available partner vs. lots of women who are mostly not available to you.

like you could have sex with a wife everyday or every other day. whats the likelihood that you can consistently get that much with randoms? (not YOU you)

>it would seem that you would have more sex by having ONE
>available partner vs. lots of women who are mostly not
>available to you.

>like you could have sex with a wife everyday or every other
>day. whats the likelihood that you can consistently get that
>much with randoms?

a strictly casual/sexual relationship (or even commitment without marriage) is way easier to manage than marriage

a lot of people have this fantasy of marriage. weddings are beautiful, marriages are endless work. work that leaves you without energy for daily sex

sex is a means to an ends but it doesn't make me happy at the end of the day minus the 5 minute afterglow. I've had women fuck me often who made my life a living hell, I'll trade that for less sex and a peaceful home any day

>a strictly casual/sexual relationship (or even commitment
>without marriage) is way easier to manage than marriage

glad i have the ear of a recently married person.

when ppl say marriage is hard work, it confuses me. its almost like saying running a business is harder than starting a business. to say its harder to manage with someone you know, love and are comfortable with in a stable relationship than it is to do so with someone newer you are TRYING to build with does not make sense to me.

>
>a lot of people have this fantasy of marriage. weddings are
>beautiful, marriages are endless work. work that leaves you
>without energy for daily sex

i dont have to be married to know that its easier than being single. i think ppl just be saying stuff.

regarding sex, i think its more about compatibility than anything else. compatible sex drives and general compatibility. just based on what ive observed among the people i know.
>
>sex is a means to an ends but it doesn't make me happy at the
>end of the day minus the 5 minute afterglow. I've had women
>fuck me often who made my life a living hell, I'll trade that
>for less sex and a peaceful home any day

well yeah. lol
>
>

>when ppl say marriage is hard work, it confuses me. its almost
>like saying running a business is harder than starting a
>business. to say its harder to manage with someone you know,
>love and are comfortable with in a stable relationship than it
>is to do so with someone newer you are TRYING to build with
>does not make sense to me.

im in a relatively happy thing. but it's far more work than just dating someone and finding love is the easy part. your whole LIFE becomes dictated by putting someone else's concerns before your own and that's just for starters


>i dont have to be married to know that its easier than being
>single. i think ppl just be saying stuff.

enjoy where you are now and enjoy your life if you ever get married, the grass is never greener on either end

>im in a relatively happy thing. but it's far more work than
>just dating someone and finding love is the easy part. your
>whole LIFE becomes dictated by putting someone else's concerns
>before your own and that's just for starters

whats easy about finding love and whats hard about marriage???

putting someone's concerns before your own is easier for some folks than others. marriage is easier the more selfless you and your spouse are. so it really does depend on the people involved, not marriage in and of itself.

and i say that as someone who is stingy with her time and personal space. I don't feel like i "work" at being married (and i checked with my husband to make sure i'm a good wife to him)

I mean yes, i do take his feelings into consideration. i do think about his needs when i make decisions. But that's not like OMG THIS IS SO HARD for me. The easy part of marriage is that i can take him into consideration because i know him so well. sometimes i overthink things and miss the mark, but for the most part i know who he is well enough to know what his feelings are. and when i don't know, i ask.

As far as sex goes in marriage, i think it can become taken for granted. when you're dating someone, you spend time with them and the culminating activity of that time spent tends to be sex. in marriage, you're always with the person even if you're not up under one another so it can get put off. like i'll just go to bed early tonight cuz i can get some tomorrow. the problem is when tomorrow becomes next week or when people start withholding physical intimacy cuz they're angry/resentful... but that's just my two cents

>As far as sex goes in marriage, i think it can become taken
>for granted. when you're dating someone, you spend time with
>them and the culminating activity of that time spent tends to
>be sex. in marriage, you're always with the person even if
>you're not up under one another so it can get put off. like
>i'll just go to bed early tonight cuz i can get some tomorrow.
> the problem is when tomorrow becomes next week or when people
>start withholding physical intimacy cuz they're
>angry/resentful... but that's just my two cents

but for me conflicting schedules and general moods (I had a long day at work, I dont feel like it) play a part

i feel like a tongue in cheek joke (as a married person) became a serious discussion, my bad

(not that it matters to you or anyone else here)

I feel like so many ppl expect marriage to be bad because of the jokes, that it then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy...

every human relationship takes "work" because there may be conflicts or differences of opinion
but i don't buy this argument that marriage intrinsically requires more work or effort
maybe if you marry the wrong person or people evolve into something else, but that's a case by case circumstance

i mean of course, it's a relationship so yeah there's things to consider. but two people who want to be married to one another who know how to be considerate... it's not really rocket science after that.

everyone's marriage is different, no one's marriage is perfect
mine is pretty healthy as far as I know

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

:-)

what is the difference?

I'm a human of the male sex
that likes sex
with humans of the female sex

the act.
what's involved in the act of sex?

what is sex?

>I'm a human of the male sex
>that likes sex
>with humans of the female sex

can do that can lead to their own or their partners orgasm.

pretty broad, but its really hard to get super specific with basic human functions without somebody getting offended/left out.

In the most absolute biological sense, sex is the act that critters engage in to reproduce. But even that ain't quite right, cuz dolphins, some apes, and every woman I'll ever date don't just have sex to reproduce...soooo...

what is the difference?

A hand job is a penis/vagina being masturbated by a hand.
Oral sex is a penis/vagina being masturbated by a mouth.
Anal sex is a penis being masturbated by an anus.


It's interesting that the word "sex" also denotes male or female in the biological sense.
There's only one act that creates those beings. If the parts used in the act, don't have
the purpose of reproduction in that species, it's masturbation.

is it still sex if the guy pulls out? or was he just masturbating?

is it still sex if no pregnancy results?

>If the parts used in the act, don't have
the purpose of reproduction in that species, it's masturbation.

when are we having sex?

obviously, ppl have sex for reasons other than procreation.
and they do stuff while they have sex that has nothing to do with procreation.

is that non-procreative stuff part of sex?
why or why not?

>when are we having sex?


When we have a penis inside of a vagina.



>is that non-procreative stuff part of sex?
>why or why not?


No, because it's not reproductive.

And you're right. It's an important question, because the answer provides clarity.
If your sex organs are being used for something other than reproduction, that is a
deviation from what they are designed for... I don't say that in a religious or biblical sense,
because I'm not religious, and I don't think all deviations from reproduction are bad,
but it's important to be clear that they are deviations.
Regular and consistent deviations may denote a problem or addiction.

look at the words you use.
deviant. denote a problem. addiction.

i don't think of sex that way.


>And you're right. It's an important question, because the
>answer provides clarity.
>If your sex organs are being used for something other than
>reproduction, that is a
>deviation from what they are designed for... I don't say that
>in a religious or biblical sense,
>because I'm not religious, and I don't think all deviations
>from reproduction are bad,
>but it's important to be clear that they are deviations.
>Regular and consistent deviations may denote a problem or
>addiction.
>
>
>
>
>
>

if not longer to promote sex negativity as a general matter and to marginalize undesirable populations. it's pretty convenient as it can be applied to any population on earth since most ppl don't have sex purely for procreation. it's a wonderful tool used for shame and deprivation.

your 'clarity' and your definition of sex. both have been soundly rejected by critical thinkers who woke up and saw the various ways these definitions have been used by those in power against those w/o power.

that too is quite clear.

but you're gonna have to IF you plan on hearing what I'm saying as an individual.

>your 'clarity' and your definition of sex. both have been
>soundly rejected by critical thinkers who woke up and saw the
>various ways these definitions have been used by those in
>power against those w/o power.
>


That's all well and good, yet THIS critical thinker still has the same view.
Also, books like the bible have been used both for good and ill. You have to talk to
believers as individuals to ascertain their ideas and intentions toward you, rather than
assuming that they're against you because they're christian, muslim, etc.
It's the same with my views. You've heard certain words I'm saying before.
Am I against you though? You don't even care. You just assume that I am before you
know my intentions, so that you preach your rhetoric.
I have no desire to marginalize you or anyone else.
Playing victim seems to be fun for you though... I get it.

> You've heard certain words I'm
>saying before.
>Am I against you though? You don't even care. You just
>assume that I am before you
>know my intentions, so that you preach your rhetoric.
>I have no desire to marginalize you or anyone else.
>Playing victim seems to be fun for you though... I get it.
>
>
>

i certainly don't.
the only thing i am doing is thinking critically about sex.
i am thinking critically about the things i've heard about sex.

it seems that much of what i heard about sex is a line of bullshit.
just about everything i have heard about queers is a line of bullshit.

i don't care if the ppl selling me bullshit mean well.
it's bullshit, and i am happy that i can articulate exactly WHY it's bullshit to myself and others.

i stop listening to ppl that are selling a line of bullshit
and it doesn't take long to spot it.

i am not sorry if you feel offended by me and others calling your bullshit out for what it is.
you're deep in your feelings but you'll manage, i'm sure.

>i certainly don't.


Oh, cool, because I wasn't talking to you when I said it.

>the only thing i am doing is thinking critically about sex.
>i am thinking critically about the things i've heard about
>sex.


Same here.


>it seems that much of what i heard about sex is a line of
>bullshit.



Same here.


>just about everything i have heard about queers is a line of
>bullshit.


Same here.


>i don't care if the ppl selling me bullshit mean well.
>it's bullshit, and i am happy that i can articulate exactly
>WHY it's bullshit to myself and others.



Same here. For some odd reason though, you're finding offense in my POV,
and for all of your powers of articulation, you haven't articulated why that is.



>i stop listening to ppl that are selling a line of bullshit
>and it doesn't take long to spot it.



Same here.


>i am not sorry if you feel offended by me and others calling
>your bullshit out for what it is.



Nobody's called me on any "bullshit". You can disagree with my line of thinking.
That's fine. But you haven't proven your point any better than I've proven mine.
As a matter of fact, all you've done is ask questions.


>you're deep in your feelings but you'll manage, i'm sure.


I'm just having a conversation. Haven't had to resort to anything close to an insult
or attack on you OR your ideas. You just did tho. That would be you in your feelings.
*shrugs*

fuck you.

lol

Fuck you too.

>That's all well and good, yet THIS critical thinker still has
>the same view.

*shrugs*

>Also, books like the bible have been used both for good and
>ill. You have to talk to
>believers as individuals to ascertain their ideas and
>intentions toward you, rather than
>assuming that they're against you because they're christian,
>muslim, etc.

LOL

>It's the same with my views. You've heard certain words I'm
>saying before.
>Am I against you though? You don't even care. You just
>assume that I am before you
>know my intentions, so that you preach your rhetoric.
>I have no desire to marginalize you or anyone else.
>Playing victim seems to be fun for you though... I get it.

boy, the shit you're spewing is bigger than you. you can use words that support the notion that you align yourself w/those who seek to do my ppl harm if you want to. and as long as you do i'll treat you as such.

and don't be throwing stones and hiding your hands either. it makes you look even more foolish than when you spew that bullshit as you have in this post. at least own your shit. or try to pretend you possess the courage of your conviction. sheesh.

>boy, the shit you're spewing is bigger than you. you can use
>words that support the notion that you align yourself w/those
>who seek to do my ppl harm if you want to. and as long as you
>do i'll treat you as such.


And you can assume whatever you wanna assume based on individual words (not even ideas -
yet call yourself a critical thinker... LOL)
You do it all the time, because you can't see outside of your preconceived notions.
That ain't my problem though.


>and don't be throwing stones and hiding your hands either. it
>makes you look even more foolish than when you spew that
>bullshit as you have in this post. at least own your shit.
>or try to pretend you possess the courage of your conviction.
>sheesh.


Lol. I've owned everything I've said. Your hurt is ruling your side of the conversation
and preventing you from seeing that though.
At any rate, do jump from a steep cliff with your name-calling and ever-present childishness.

>>If the parts used in the act, don't have
>the purpose of reproduction in that species, it's
>masturbation.

^ i guess it's the lawyer in me - i couldn't make heads or tails of that reply.

>is it still sex if the guy pulls out? or was he just
>masturbating?


Is he pulling out of a vagina?


>is it still sex if no pregnancy results?

Do the parts still have the purpose of reproduction in the species?

>>is it still sex if the guy pulls out? or was he just
>>masturbating?
>
>
>Is he pulling out of a vagina?

sure but if that vagina isn't designed to reproduce b/c of its own nature or the nature of the uterus and/or ovaries to which it's attached then have the 2 ppl in this hypo masturbated?

>>is it still sex if no pregnancy results?
>
>Do the parts still have the purpose of reproduction in the
>species?

see above.

plus the parts at issue serve other purposes too. does it matter? if so what's the difference?

also - there are many other body parts involved in reproduction - like the breasts, for example. a prominent MD has said the brain is the body's most important sex organ considering all sex activity and reproductive activity begins in the brain. also it's pretty difficult to replicate the species w/o using one's hands. and one's eyes too. and the nose. the ears too, in a way. among others. if those other parts are used is there sex going on?

>>>is it still sex if the guy pulls out? or was he just
>>>masturbating?
>>
>>
>>Is he pulling out of a vagina?
>
>sure but if that vagina isn't designed to reproduce b/c of its
>own nature or the nature of the uterus and/or ovaries to which
>it's attached then have the 2 ppl in this hypo masturbated?



No. Infertile people have become fertile. This is why I said the parts are for reproduction
in the SPECIES. You're talking about individuals in the species. We are all here because
of the purpose of those organs in the species. Those organs not working is usually
a source of pain. The reasons why are obvious.
An anus or mouth isn't becoming fertile no matter what.



>>>is it still sex if no pregnancy results?
>>
>>Do the parts still have the purpose of reproduction in the
>>species?
>
>see above.
>
>plus the parts at issue serve other purposes too. does it
>matter? if so what's the difference?
>
>also - there are many other body parts involved in
>reproduction - like the breasts, for example. a prominent MD
>has said the brain is the body's most important sex organ
>considering all sex activity and reproductive activity begins
>in the brain.



The brain is important in everything you do. Are you really gonna go with the
"What if your brain doesn't work" argument? lol.
As for the rest of what you said, you don't need to have a sense of sight or smell (or hands for that matter)
to use sex organs. I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore.


>also it's pretty difficult to replicate the
>species w/o using one's hands. and one's eyes too. and the
>nose. the ears too, in a way. among others. if those other
>parts are used is there sex going on?
>

>No. Infertile people have become fertile.

some have, yes. and plenty have not.

have the ones who were never made fertile merely masturbated when they've had intercourse?

This is why I said
>the parts are for reproduction
>in the SPECIES. You're talking about individuals in the
>species.

okay you're talking about the whole species.

so b/c the penis is 'designed' to aid in reproduction and so is the vagina if those parts are used then sex has happened if they're not used then sex hasn't happened.

what if a male puts his penis in a female's vagina while he also has his hand in the vadge? is that sex? what if the penis is in there at the same time as some foreign object? sex? what if she's wearing an IUD that's designed to prevent any reproduction of the species? sex?

i'm asking about individuals, btw, b/c the whole species can't have sex at once. AFAIK. so i have to ask about individuals.

i can ask about multiples - if 2 males have their penis in 1 vadge - who had sex? or if 2 males are in the vadge and 2 are in the anus - which of them had sex?

We are all here because
>of the purpose of those organs in the species.

i'm here b/c my parents made a series of choices - my mom and my dad had sex and he busted a raw one all up in there when she wasn't using birth control effectively. i didn't think i'm here b/c of the purpose of body parts.

Those organs
>not working is usually
>a source of pain. The reasons why are obvious.

usually, sure. for ppl who want to reproduce it can be painful if they're unable. and now w/'clarity' they know they can't ever have sex even if their body parts function for intercourse.

>The brain is important in everything you do. Are you really
>gonna go with the
>"What if your brain doesn't work" argument? lol.

no, i didn't and i'm not.

you said sex happens when ppl use body parts designed to assist in reproducing the species. the brain is so designed. so if the brain is used in an act that looks and feels like sex and is deemed sex by most ppl, would you agree there's been sex?

>As for the rest of what you said, you don't need to have a
>sense of sight or smell (or hands for that matter)
>to use sex organs. I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore.

i'm saying that we know many body parts are used in reproduction of the species. studies have shown that females are attracted to males for reproduction in large part due to how the males smell. which means the nose is involved in reproduction.

the hands are involved in that it's pretty common for ppl to use their hands to guide the various body parts involved in intercourse. also, during child birth the hands are VERY involved. so the hands are there from the beginning of reproduction to the end. they're pretty important to the process and are designed for such usages. if the hands are involved has there been sex under your logic?

it is sometimes why
but it's not the reason for most sex.

and even procreative sex consist of more than
the act of ejaculating into a vagina.

why don't we call that other stuff sex?



>>is it still sex if the guy pulls out? or was he just
>>masturbating?
>
>
>Is he pulling out of a vagina?
>
>
>>is it still sex if no pregnancy results?
>
>Do the parts still have the purpose of reproduction in the
>species?

it is sometimes why
but it's not the reason for most sex.

and even procreative sex consist of more than
the act of ejaculating into a vagina.

why don't we call that other stuff sex?



>>is it still sex if the guy pulls out? or was he just
>>masturbating?
>
>
>Is he pulling out of a vagina?
>
>
>>is it still sex if no pregnancy results?
>
>Do the parts still have the purpose of reproduction in the
>species?

>and even procreative sex consist of more than
>the act of ejaculating into a vagina.
>
>why don't we call that other stuff sex?



What "other stuff" are you talking about?

caressing her breast.
taking in her scent.
feeling the softness of her skin.
playing just the tip before you put it all the way in.
looking in her eyes, and seeing the relief of recognition that she wants you the way you want her.

and maybe some fingerbanging, too, while you're at it.


is that stuff not sex?
if not, why not?


>>and even procreative sex consist of more than
>>the act of ejaculating into a vagina.
>>
>>why don't we call that other stuff sex?
>
>
>
>What "other stuff" are you talking about?
>
>
>
>

i understand why you won't, and that's fine.

you claim it's not sex if the organs involved aren't 'designed' for reproduction. you want that to be limited to the penis and vagina. however, those aren't the only organs 'designed' for reproduction as several others are also so designed.

you'd probably point out that the others i've listed have other purposes. if so, i'd point out that the penis also serves other non-reproductive functions. so what makes the penis so unlike the brain in that regard? or the hands? or the nose? the eyes? et al.

i'm not actually interested in your answers to these questions b/c i already know - everything you've said is bullshit. and the rest of what you say along that line will be bullshit. so i'm more interested in shaming you or ridiculing you or silencing you at this point. b/c - fuck you.

lol

The rest of yall are describing sexual intercourse.

>The rest of yall are describing sexual intercourse.

.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

is it only ejaculating in her,
or are other acts part of it?

.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

They're just sexing it up. But your definition of sex excludes them.

And you want to talk about Animals. You might as well add Goldfish, Dolphins, and Penguin.


.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

they actually have recreational sex, so one can't reduce their copulation to just "mating."

But let's stick with humans if that's easier.
What about when people have sex outside of a marriage? What is that instead of sex?


I know you are quickly defensive, and I understand why, so let me make it clear -- I'm not here to pick on you.
I just found your answer interesting and wanted elaboration.

I'm just not going to play your game.

.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

but again, I understand why you're immediately defensive.

I just really wanted to know your definitions for sex(?) acts outside of the marriage covenant.


Luckily for me, my love of biology -- even zoology -- is shared with a
great many people, so I don't have to have that convo alone.

.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

.

>but again, I understand why you're immediately defensive.
>
>I just really wanted to know your definitions for sex(?) acts
>outside of the marriage covenant.
>
>
>Luckily for me, my love of biology -- even zoology -- is
>shared with a
>great many people, so I don't have to have that convo alone.
>

Yeah. Unfortunately he got too caught up in his feelings over having his agenda boxed into a corner by your question. Had he responded to this post genuinely he might have learned something.

I used to think people exaggerated about his posting character but I was wrong on that one.

I still respect Case as a person. I just know better than to try to engage him in any more discussion.

I didn't want to play your game about some bonobos, then the OP is clearly talking about sex between humans.

Come On with that mess. Y'all are some above the world thinking folks and then y'all are some total hypocrites about it. You don't have to soft shoe anything about me to anyone. You should just say what you have to say to me straight up. But I understand.



.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

throughout this entire post and every post we've ever conversed in, and
even in your inbox messages to me when you didn't want to talk out in the open.

Now, my love of zoology might be a strange thing about me. I've been told that before.
But to me it's normal. So the fact that bonobos are so human-like in that they
have recreational sex, even oral sex, and kiss, is the reason I mentioned them.
I guess it's a kind of zoo-nerd reference that you might not have gotten.

Which is why I switched back to humans. Question still applies.
When humans behave like bonobos, which is to sex it up outside of a marital contract,
is that included in your definition of marriage or not?
It can't be just simple "mating" in that case. So what's your take on it?

I also extended a pre-emptive olive branch to you, letting you know that, as I've said
in private messages before, I understand why you get defensive but it is unwarranted in this case.
I've never attacked in you in a post or been anything but open, respectful and cordial to you.

You chose to behave in a snide way with me, which is what others have always accused you of doing.
And I realize now, with myself as an example, that you aren't just snide when provoked.
You're snide, period. And that's fine. I just don't want to deal with it.
And I don't want others even trying to deal with it for me, as they did in
a previous post when you reacted to me in a similar fashion.

Like I said, I respect you as a person, Case. I respect that you have passionate beliefs.
But I choose not to engage with you anymore. I don't like the way you behave or treat people,
and rather than walk into situations where I have to be ugly with you, I choose not even entertain it.

Now that I've given you this too-long explanation, I hope you can more fully understand
where I was coming from and why your response was totally unnecessary.
Even if you don't, no response is needed. I choose not to engage with you anymore, so please respect that.

I take full blame for the misunderstanding, because I could have just asked for clarity. I unfairly lumped you into the bucket of crabs that normally come at me. In response you took my response and made a response and we all responded in an off way.

So, please allow me the grace of making a mistake and please accept my apology.

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>I take full blame for the misunderstanding, because I could
>have just asked for clarity. I unfairly lumped you into the
>bucket of crabs that normally come at me. In response you took
>my response and made a response and we all responded in an off
>way.
>
>So, please allow me the grace of making a mistake and please
>accept my apology.
>

Too busy trying to see demons where there are none.

LOL

i think they were trying to tell me not to have sex until i get married. but that's not what i learned from the talk - i learned that my parents don't want to talk about sex. and i suspected they might not understand sex fully. so i didn't ever ask them anything about sex and got all of my info from other sources.

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i know more about sex than they do.

it wasn't true when we had that 'conversation' when i was 12 or 13. but it's very true now.

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and how is that not sex?

I said that sex was a give form God for married men and their wives.


See, most people think that the act of sexual activities are equal to the gift of sex, but they are not. The gift goes deeper then the act.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

>See, most people think that the act of sexual activities are
>equal to the gift of sex, but they are not. The gift goes
>deeper then the act.
>


that is the topic of the original post.
which activities are sex?

if a man touches a woman's breast and both he and her are into that,
is that sex?

what about looking into each others eyes and feeling the other's skin and hair and enjoying how each other smells?

are those acts sex?

if sex is a gift from god for married ppl,
the question remains: which stuff that married ppl do
count as sex?

kissing? groping?
or is sex more than a man ejaculating into a woman's lady parts?

do you have any thoughts on the orginal post
or are you here to stir up mess?

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>>See, most people think that the act of sexual activities are
>>equal to the gift of sex, but they are not. The gift goes
>>deeper then the act.
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>that is the topic of the original post.
>which activities are sex?
>
>if a man touches a woman's breast and both he and her are into
>that,
>is that sex?
>

No. That cold be plain lust.

>what about looking into each others eyes and feeling the
>other's skin and hair and enjoying how each other smells?
>
>are those acts sex?
>


No. That could be Lust too.

>if sex is a gift from god for married ppl,
>the question remains: which stuff that married ppl do
>count as sex?
>


Whatever two married people want to do when enjoying their covenant within the marriage bed.

>kissing? groping?
>or is sex more than a man ejaculating into a woman's lady
>parts?
>

That is a sexual act between a married man and woman.


>do you have any thoughts on the orginal post
>or are you here to stir up mess?


I just gave them.


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my point: sex is sex. married, single, heterosexual or homosexual

Fornication.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

what about everything besides ejaculating into a pussy?
is that all you do when have sex?

why is other stuff not sex?

what about everything besides ejaculating into a pussy?
is that all you do when have sex?

why is other stuff not sex?

No dis or snark.

then i realized it's a very important question.

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you may not be familiar w/it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

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I wasn't sure where this post would go but the replies became very revealing very quickly.

Seems there are a few people who would agree that Bill Clinton indeed did not have sexual relations with that woman.

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huh

“A great man once said, everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power.”

- Frank Underwood

I knew Case would come through, on that Jesus, and give the best moral perspective. The only problem is WE ain't shit collectively.

Sex is happy time. It is mutually beneficial exercise designed to aid men and women, separately or together, in reaching satisfaction.

in this whole thread. I wanted more laughs and got...

Vital to the prosperity and quality of human life.

Gender identification, sexual acts, procreation, intimacy, etc.

All these things are about life and living. All are not required but all are elements of the experience.

I had a debate where I had to defend sex/the reproductive system as being the most important system in the body. If sex wasn't so important 'God' wouldn't have made it felt so good. Same with eating, if people weren't satisfied with eating some people wouldn't put food in their mouth. It is life, and living.

Trying to police it to the level we do is insanity. Beyond child abuse, everything else should just be between 2 consenting adults (or 3 or 4 or whatever).

What's being communicated?


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Where someone says something like anal sex or oral sex and others respond with "No, you mean oral masturbation and anal masturbation" or "Was that between a married man and woman in accordance with God's gift? No? Well, that's not sex then."

or baffled
or something

It's also how Clinton got out of his dilemma

On a somber note I guess this is where rape vs molestation also has a dividing line
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

it's not rape at all. it's just a plain old battery. b/c anal intercourse is not sex. same w/oral intercourse too.

that's quite laughable.

Gotta love Ted

im in raise my hand\take notes mode in here honestly
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>It's also how Clinton got out of his dilemma

hah I said pretty much the same thing in #116.

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>On a somber note I guess this is where rape vs molestation
>also has a dividing line

This is what gets to me, especially when these agenda based definitions are pushed from a Christian perspective. There are vulnerable people in society who have their situations worsened or trivialised by people making ignorant, self serving proclamations.

Christians are supposed to be a source of support and comfort for these people, and instead we've become a symbol of persecution and prejudice.

This combo of faux sexual liberation with conservative almost prudish views it's amusing if not sad


I own my naïveté
Eff it

Sometimes we should just ask more questions instead of just diving in all the time
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>This combo of faux sexual liberation with conservative almost
>prudish views it's amusing if not sad
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>I own my naïveté
>Eff it
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>Sometimes we should just ask more questions instead of just
>diving in all the time

I learned a few things in this post. There's really a whole world out there that comes to sex that I'll never know or understand because I was brought up earnestly Christian. That doesn't mean I should try to exert my experience/perspective over the top of others' though.

>On a somber note I guess this is where rape vs molestation
>also has a dividing line

It also includes foreign objects.

rape is when a man put's his dick in a woman's pussy without consent.

rape is sex without consent and all that anal and oral stuff you
mentioned isn't sex so it can't be rape.

oral and anal is just masturbation
so if that happens without consent it's just
battery. unlawful touching.

but it's not rape because there was no sex.

>rape is when a man put's his dick in a woman's pussy without
>consent.
>
>rape is sex without consent and all that anal and oral stuff
>you
>mentioned isn't sex so it can't be rape.
>
>oral and anal is just masturbation
>so if that happens without consent it's just
>battery. unlawful touching.
>
>but it's not rape because there was no sex.



Rape:
noun
1.
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

If you forcefully (or non-forcefully) use some other person's body part to masturbate yourself,
it's rape. Masturbation is sexual.
I know you want the masturbation angle to be evil or cause evils of some sort, but
it's just not so.

...it conflicts w/your definition of 'sex'.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex

sex
noun \ˈseks\

: the state of being male or female

: men or male animals as a group or women or female animals as a group

: physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse

>...it conflicts w/your definition of 'sex'.


Under that definition, kissing, a pat on the back, a massage is all sex.
Needless to say, I disagree.

per that definition, sex is a "physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc."

so sex can involve kissing but kissing itself isn't sex under this defintion.

sex is also a "physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse".

that means sex is other physical activity that can involve sexual intercourse but doesn't necessarily include intercourse.

if a man licks a woman's pussy without consent,
thats not penetration and its certainly not sexual intercourse
so as per the definition you just put out there
there was no sex without consent, which means it's not rape.


it was an unlawful touching.
a battery.

but not rape, because it was masturbation,
not sex.


that's your standards, player.
that's fucked up.



>Rape:
>noun
>1.
>unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of
>the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without
>force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object,
>without the consent of the victim.
>
>If you forcefully (or non-forcefully) use some other person's
>body part to masturbate yourself,
>it's rape. Masturbation is sexual.
>I know you want the masturbation angle to be evil or cause
>evils of some sort, but
>it's just not so.
>
>

You can have sexual intercourse without having sex. Anal sex is sexual intercourse.
It's sexual, and it's intercourse.
It's just not sex, lol.
The scenario you described is rape, even according to the comment you're replying to.

they can never have sex because they don't have a pussy,
but they can have lots of sexual intercourse.

a man that fucks a woman is having sex as long as
his dick is in her pussy, but if his dick slips out for a second,
he is no longer having sex even though he is still touching her breast
and smelling her.

but when the dick goes back in, they are having sex again.

unless, of course, he is wearing a condom.
because his dick isn't touching her pussy when he is wearing a rubber

in that case, he is only fucking a condom, and it's not sex
unless the condom breaks and his dick touches pussy.

men fucking comdoms aren't having sex
but they are having intercourse unless the condom comes off.




if a virgin has intercourse with a condom,
are they no longer a virgin?

you are insane.

>You can have sexual intercourse without having sex. Anal sex
>is sexual intercourse.
>It's sexual, and it's intercourse.
>It's just not sex, lol.
>The scenario you described is rape, even according to the
>comment you're replying to.
>
>

The lengths people will go to marginalise the LBGT community or women, sometimes while decrying how their minority demographic is marginalised.

I haven't been for quite some time, actually.

Pardon my ignorance.

it doesn't matter that he's doing the same thing several anti-gays have done w/all of that bullshit parsing and labeling of our sex as deviance and whatnot. NO.

LOL.

rape is when a man put's his dick in a woman's pussy without consent.

rape is sex without consent and all that anal and oral stuff you
mentioned isn't sex so it can't be rape.

oral and anal is just masturbation
so if that happens without consent it's just
battery. unlawful touching.

anal without consent is not rape because anal is not sex.
same goes for oral without consent.
not sex, can't be rape.


it's just a battery.

her boyfriend fucks her in the ass regularly.
she also sucks his dick and smells his balls.
rubs her fingers across his chest while she grinds on top of him and
fingerbangs herself.

he jerks off and nuts all over her face.


but he has never penetrated her pussy.



will somebody, please, reply under this
and argue that the woman in this hypothetical situation is a virgin?

somebody rationalize that these two ppl have not had sex.

that i certainly don't adopt in actuality.

those 2 kids masturbated each other but didn't have sex. b/c at no point did they use their sex organs in a way that could reproduce the species so it wasn't sex. and masturbation of that nature isn't God's gift to married couples.

you didn't ask but of course you know masturbation is sin. so while those 2 may not have fornicated they definitely sinned against God and need to repent and sin no more.

and yes, they're both virgins. b/c they only masturbated. they might as well have given each other handjobs b/c what they did is the same thing.

if at the last minute, she grabbed his dick, put it in her pussy,
and he came instantly...

that's sex.

because all sex is is cumming in a pussy.

is it even sex if you put your dick in a pussy and cum into a rubber?
you are literally having sex with a condom.

that's not sex.
it's masturbation with a condom.




>that i certainly don't adopt in actuality.
>
>those 2 kids masturbated each other but didn't have sex. b/c
>at no point did they use their sex organs in a way that could
>reproduce the species so it wasn't sex. and masturbation of
>that nature isn't God's gift to married couples.
>
>you didn't ask but of course you know masturbation is sin. so
>while those 2 may not have fornicated they definitely sinned
>against God and need to repent and sin no more.
>
>and yes, they're both virgins. b/c they only masturbated.
>they might as well have given each other handjobs b/c what
>they did is the same thing.

we had sex a few years ago, once,
but we never mentioned it again.

but after we had a conversation about
"what is sex," for the first time in years,
we actually talked about the fact that he and i had sex.

this explains why so many of my friendships over the years have
been so... complicated.

how do you interact with ppl you've had sex with
and just never ever tall about it?

that's insane.

we had sex a few years ago, once,
but we never mentioned it again.

but after we had a conversation about
"what is sex," for the first time in years,
we actually talked about the fact that he and i had sex.

this explains why so many of my friendships over the years have
been so... complicated.

how do you interact with ppl you've had sex with
and just never ever tall about it?

that's insane.

http://i.imgur.com/Q2U8s7M.jpg

also,

“Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.”

― Oscar Wilde