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12743234, $60,000 speeding tickt in Finland (swipe)
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-05-15 01:25 PM
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/finland-fined-this-driver--60-000-for-going-14mph-over-the-limit-225247649.html

Most of us have been there — you’re nonchalantly cruising about 10 mph over the speed limit, only to notice a police car flash the lights behind you. It’s downer that’ll cost maybe $350, and a couple hours of traffic school to knock the point off the record.

But a similar infraction cost one driver nearly $60,000 in Finland.

Reima Kuisla was on his way to the airport when he got caught going 103 km/h (64 mph) in an 80km/h (50 mph) zone, setting him back 54,024 euros. It’s a seemingly excessive penalty until you realize how Finland calculates its fines.

Kuisla posted a picture of the fine on his Facebook page

Kuisla posted a picture of the fine on his Facebook page
Unlike in the United States, where the flat fine is based on location and sped over the limit, Finland bases the penalty as a percentage of daily income, according to the previous year’s tax return. Since Reima Kuisla earned over 6.5 million euros ($7 million) in 2013, he had a penalty equivalent to a brand-new BMW M3. The rationale is that the fine should sting for anyone, whether they’re scraping by or living in the lap of luxury. Unsurprisingly, Kuisla isn’t a fan of progressive penalties:

"Ten years ago I wouldn't have believed that I would seriously consider moving abroad. Finland is impossible to live in for certain kinds of people who have high incomes and wealth," said Kuisla on his Facebook page.

He wasn’t the only one to pay a hefty sum in Finland — a Nokia executive had pay 116,000 euros (over $103,00) back in 2002 for speeding in a Harley. Say what you will about excessive fines, but that's a penalty no one forgets.
12743250, F*ck rich people complaining about money.
Posted by initiationofplato, Thu Mar-05-15 01:38 PM
Good on ya Finland! Charge those fat pigs.
12743526, And watch the country go into debt as the rich leave.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Thu Mar-05-15 05:55 PM
>Good on ya Finland! Charge those fat pigs.
12743251, that's good stuff!
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-05-15 01:39 PM
12743254, Fineland
Posted by rdhull, Thu Mar-05-15 01:41 PM
12743278, Always thought it should be like that here
Posted by 8-bit, Thu Mar-05-15 01:58 PM
Fines that hurt me are pocket money for some
12743301, If finds are supposed to be a deterrent ...
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Thu Mar-05-15 02:12 PM
and you make 6 mil, a $350 fine doesn't deter shit.

If you make $24,000 before taxes a $350 ticket means you don't eat week.
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12743353, fuck this touch screen! Fines dammit fines.
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12743315, It seems pretty reasonable to be honest
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Mar-05-15 02:29 PM
Once I was talking to a hockey player about this topic, he was not the highest-paid player in the league or anything but at the time he was making a little under $5M a year.

He was sort of complaining about his commute and how if you ride in the carpool lane as just one person you get roughly a $600 fine. But as the conversation went on, I found out his "complaint" was pretty superficial, he really didn't give a fuck about that and to top it off another dude told me he was the most annoying guy to ride with because he was texting the entire time. So the little $150 and $600 fines meant nothing to this guy, who earned a little less than the guy in question here.

Similarly I see in California that our higher-than-average fines often *cost* us money. I had to go to court for a cell phone ticket and of course sat through other trials. Multiple people couldn't pay their fines and took jail time, usually about two weeks of it, sometimes 30 days. WTF? That costs the state money rather than creating revenue. It's weird too because in other courts they try to avoid that, basically reduce the fine to what the defendant can reasonably come up with.

So while I don't know if Finland's system is perfect, I do get the rationale and see how a flat-fine type system fails.
12743318, Wow. The American justice system is insane to me.
Posted by initiationofplato, Thu Mar-05-15 02:31 PM
It's a corporate revolving door, it seems.
12743324, 60K though? that's insane.
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-05-15 02:36 PM
I would move if I were a rich guy in Finland.

I understand taxes but this is a speeding ticket and it's not like he was going 110mph

12743336, it's insane to you because $60K is a lot to you
Posted by StephBMore, Thu Mar-05-15 02:46 PM
but if you're making $6.5 mil a year, that's less than 1% of your yearly income.

Which is about the same the average american would pay if they got caught speeding...($60,000 a year, $500 fine for speeding).

This is equality at it's finest. everyone is fined according to their income and then richer people or people who "got it" will realize what it's like to really be penalized for breaking the law because right now...if I'm making $6.5 million a year, getting a $500 ticket won't make me stop speeding.

Why should rich people get the more benefits (in regards to breaking the law)
12743600, it sounds like its enough to make him considered leaving Finland
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-05-15 07:21 PM
12743367, I bet their tax code is a bitch, too
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Mar-05-15 03:09 PM
But overall they have high satisfaction with their government, progressive leadership (for example they were/are way ahead in terms of having women in power) and they got a sauna for every two households!

I dunno, as a rich guy you're always fighting living where you want versus living where you maximize your wealth and trying to strike a balance. I mean living in Finland or Sweden might mean high taxes and heavily redistributive policies. Living in a developing nation might mean you live like a lord but that you're also a prisoner of your own wealth (security, isolation, etc). You're looking for the right balance. Well boo fucking hoo. That's the kind of dilemma you like to have, basically total freedom, at least in a relative way.
12743345, I hope that waste of space drives into a tree.
Posted by Backbone, Thu Mar-05-15 02:51 PM
Maybe his money can be of use after he's gone or something.
12743602, What did he do to make you say that?
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Mar-05-15 07:23 PM
Did he do something besides become a millionaire?