If u confused tell me why.

Poll question: How can I be a Black Christian without having a Slave Mentality?

Poll result (42 votes) you cant (30 votes) Vote you can...this is how (5 votes) Vote I'm white, you can...this is how (0 votes) Vote I'm white (1 votes) Vote I'm white, you cant (3 votes) Vote huh? (3 votes) Vote

specially here in the states


other religions too, but we have a great lens to see it here in the states, past & present

and help the less fortunate, which is all Christ asked anyone to do. Christianity as first practiced in Africa requires no mental servitude at all.

just pay your bills, do right by your loved ones and actively try to better yourself without fucking anyone over, you'll come close enough to being a good Christian

Or any religion.

but I have no clue of what a slave mentality is and to me "good christians" are just normal people who dont wear it on their sleeve. so I just tried to narrow down traits of a healthy functioning human, hoping she can tie it to her faith

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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

IS the slave mentality

Live without labels. Free yourself.

"Perhaps the whole of our trouble, the human trouble, is that we will sacrifice all the beauty of our lives, will imprison ourselves in totems, taboos, crosses, blood sacrifices, steeples, mosques, races, armies, flags, nations in order to deny the fact of death, which is the only fact we have. It seems to me that one ought to rejoice in the fact of death- ought to decide, indeed, to earn one’s death by confronting with passion the conundrum of life." James Baldwin.

whether they christians or not some people will still have a slave mentality...

and you will always be a slave to something in life. Jesus says be a slave for god and not riches.

There is nothing wrong with that but black people have a bad history with the word "slave" so it can be difficult to reconcile. I would advise you to look up the word slave in the bible and start there.

maybe that will help you to understand how it is used in the bible from a christianity standpoint.

Be open to other faiths.

Just dont take anything at face value
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huh

A Christian, regardless of race or color is a slave to Christ Jesus, but the context in which you made this post leaves many to assume poorly, because you have not provided the responsible context.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

"here atheist, come here boy... good boy"

lol..

I'm neither but always found that funny.

kind of weird since it's so inconsistent but it is what it is
i think both christians and muslims operate with a slave mentality
basically have to

>kind of weird since it's so inconsistent but it is what it
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>i think both christians and muslims operate with a slave
>mentality
>basically have to


^^ Referencing this statement.




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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

slave mentality is about having an inferiority complex
i see that all the time in christian churches. ppl thinking the pastor shit doesn't stink and treating him (and his family) like demi gods almost

for the purposes of this discussion i think the definition should be expanded to include herd mentality and a culture where you are encouraged to accept whatever you are told

so I root for them off GP.

i disagree that 'OKP' as a whole or even a majority has a feeling on this issue. but if so i think if 'OKP' has more affinity for Muslims it's b/c they're the other, the underdog, the relatively disenfranchised.

i don't get the feeling that 'OKP' has a particularly nuanced or well-informed base of knowledge about Islam. i think the affinity is more about the treatment of Muslims here and in certain parts of Europe than it's about any particular feeling about Islam itself.

And by we I mean new world Africans who came over here as slaves. Outside of Ethiopia and Kongo Christianity was a tool of subjugation and control.

Muslims enslaved West Africans too...but West Africans weren't brought to Islam through conquest. To the contrary those Islamic West African society did some conquering themselves.

In the Islamic world we can see a history that includes kingdoms and Empires. In Christianity you can point to East Africa and the Congo Basin but few of us came from those areas.

>Muslims enslaved West Africans too...but West Africans weren't
>brought to Islam through conquest.
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That second part is simply not true.

The rest of the underdog sentiment is true but don't drag down your position by going ahistorical. I'd rather not derail or distract so lets not go there.

That wasn't what I was told by my Muslim folks in Senegal when I was there.

http://media.tumblr.com/736ab25e5016806b3ed82f619aacf08a/tumblr_inline_n0e0yghX4w1rfds44.jpg

fence sitters behave in that manner, and just another shade of slave mentality

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

I don't mean how it became ubiquitous, I mean how did it first arrive?

Where there already muslims in Senegal before it was spread by the sword?
I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. I was saying that in West Africa it was just outside groups conquering and converting. Senegal was made Muslim by internal groups if I'm not mistaken. And it was at the sword so I shouldn't have been so vague.



"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

I didn't mean it was never spread through conquest in subsaharan Africa. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Where did it spread through conquest below the Sahara in West Africa after the conquests to the north but before missionaries went south?

Anyway, I get why I was called out. I'm not trying to give Islam a pass, but I don't see a 1:1 comparison between how West Africans were introduced to the two. And that isn't to say one is better or more connected to us, just that it might influence how we see the two historically.




"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

Anyway I'd rather take it to the inbox rather than contribute ammunition for people who just hate Islam and want to score "gotcha" points with the information.
Hope you understand fam.

West Africans spreading the religion among themselves is different than North Africans or Europeans doing it.

So yeah, my bad.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

n/m

i still never understood how that worked.
how you gonna be in the majority and feel that the world hates you?

and even if 'the world' hates them - they're firmly in power so who cares?

there are a gang of ppl that that case_one's politics,
theological views, and philosophy are right on target.

and they tell him so,
while vocally critizing folks thay criticize him.


then there are other christians who are level headed, good ppl
but still obviously chritian.

abby
poetx
ted



by my count, there aren't more than 10 atheists that post regularly.
and that's being generous.

most of the board is made up of christians.
and they make a vocal presense.

they christians are much more vocal than the atheists.

Case one does the most but besides him I can't think of too many who jump in to defend their religion.

>Case one does the most but besides him I can't think of too
>many who jump in to defend their religion.
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btw, case has plenty of supporters whenever he's on one.

he also has opposition from ppl that are christians,
but feel he is an asshole making their religion look bad.

and finally, plenty of posters are vocal, unapologetic christians.


christianity is the default here. not that there's anything wrong with that.

not sure why but its onw of the boards favorite topics lately

With the Creator they believe in and stopped letting others interpret what it should mean for them then the mentality would change to something more pure.

naturally I don't feel like this board is particularly Muslim friendly.
I imagine Christians feel the same way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology

and there are churches that are on it.
we need more, but they exist.

forms of Christianity and are written in Amharaic/Coptic/Punic/ they haven't been tampered with like what we have in the US.

Because those following st peter and his successors (Catholics) are the oldest continuous christians

You're wrong again.

The coptic community was founded by st mark during the papcy of st peter and became incommunicado from Rome in the 5th century

What am i missing?

keep flailing and failing. The Pentateuch, and Septuagint which are basically the foundations of Christianity Predate the Roman Empire. The Greeks with the help of Ancient Egyptian priest compiled these books from the writings and philosophies/knowledge of KMT at least hundreds of years prior to the roman empire(Julius Ceasar).

(Edit is to point out this was all done in EGYPT at various temples and libraries see library of Alexandria which the barbaric romans burned down.

The Romans twisted Christianity as a tool for power and conversion but the concepts, practices were already there.

The romans slaughtered early Christians.

j/k

You will be tied up for hours

Hahahahaha

"Explain yourself"

Lmao.

For one i wasnt even talking about the fuckin Roman Empire, i was talking about the Church of Rome, which had primacy over the Church of Alexandria. If you had any comprehensional ability, my intentional use of "successors to st peter" would hace tipped you off to that.

For two, the pentateuch came from the Israelites and was written during the babylonian exile. Not in egypt with the greeks.

For three, the septuagint was nothing but a greek translation of the talmud for Hellenistic Jews. Written by Jews for Jews, commissioned by the Greek king of egypt Ptolemy II. Not "egyptian priests".

For four, the early african christians were part of the same Christianity as the church of Rome and the Church of Antioch. They did NOT predate the papacy of St. Peter, the founder of the Church of Rome. Peter's papacy began in 30 AD. Coptic tradition holds that the Church of Alexandria was founded in 42 AD. So by that Math, your "original" Christians predate the papacy of St. Peter by *negative* 12 years. The Christian church maintained its cohesiveness through the Council of Nicea in 325 which reinforced the primacy of the Church of Rome, led by the successors to...ST PETER. In 451, the churches you speak of broke away from the leadership of the Bishop of Rome for 2 reasons. One of them was a disagreement between Alexandria and the rest of Christianity on the dual human/divine nature of Christ. The other was that the Bishop of Alexandria was upset that the Council elevated the Church of Constantinople above the Church of Alexandria in terms of stature.

There is actual history for you.

Pentateuch and Septuagint text

Specifically service to other man

and its seen as a blessing to be able to participate in such service

Service is given freely

Who needs convincing that volunteer work or charity is a nice thing to do?

The problem is its not volunteering and charity work we are talking about.

Just find what makes you happy and share the love.

the love can come off judgey as shit.

>the love can come off judgey as shit.
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the essence of Jesus message is love

If it's detrimental to anyone's spiritual or physical being then it isn't

regardless of where it comes from self proclaimed Christian or non christian

But you have to research for yourself

Completely

So all Christians get lumped into one pile. Smh.
I'm a Christian, but I have to admit that most Muslims I meet in general know WAAAAY more about their faith than Christians. Saddens me.