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My cousin and I were having this conversation yesterday...we both agreed that we have felt the Spirit "move" through us, but never actually caught it.

I've been in places where I've seen the Holy Spirit move from person to person and seen where they have been filled and let it out however they knew (e.g. cry, moan, dance, shout)

So if have, can you describe the feeling to me...

Even if you think you have, you haven't.

It's a subjective experience,
and I am sure there are more ways to trigger the sensation.

is impossible, just because they want to describe it as a religious experience.

You literally did the one thing she asked people not to do, right out of the gate.

There is zero chance that you caused someone who believes they have to think otherwise, so there's really no point to this response other than to derail the whole thing with a petty back and forth from jump.

so there's really no point to this
>response other than to derail the whole thing with a petty
>back and forth from jump.


chalk another genius up to the faithful

I felt bad about it when I was younger. I was a believer, a pious and obedient girl who
read the Bible and was active in church. So why did it seem to affect everyone but me?


Now that I'm older, I know why. And I don't think I'll ever "shout" like that, especially not in church.
(I'm totally fine with it though.)

but I sometimes felt like I why wasn't I "worthy" enough to have God come to me like that...

I.e. scream, faint, dance, etc. indicates to me that it is completely fake.

Like why is the 'spirit' skipping over the Lutherans?

but I've seen it happen

>Like why is the 'spirit' skipping over the Lutherans?

fake as in it's not an actual ghost taking over their body?


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I know it's not my place to tell someone what they are or are not feeling, so this is just my opinion from observation.

For one thing, it shouldn't be specific to only a certain group of people.
Isn't it pentecostals who are heavy in this type of stuff? Why do they seem to be affected to a much higher degree than others?

Also, it seems to be contagious. First one person starts jumping, then someone else yells out, then an old person starts dancing.
From the outside looking in, that looks like folks playing along to fit in.

Maybe they feel themselves getting emotional or excited, the way you would be listening to music or watching a movie.

But in my opinion, there is no ghost or spirit taking over their bodies.

experience.

Also have had other experience of feeling connected to something bigger, experiences I wouldn't have had if I were not placed in that environment.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

Sometimes churches be JUMPIN and the ghost is going around.

cause i've felt the chills before. or the Jesus tingles. like i'd be sitting there and a song would be sung and i'd feel something on the inside. not sure what it was, but it would be something. and church kinda is an environment where if you want to act on what you feel on the inside....its welcome. if you wanna clap...you can clap. if you wanna stand and run...you can run. and if you wanna buck will you pass out in a heap on the floor, you can do that too. i think that sort of religious expression is a conduit.

but if felt those same tingles listening to secular music. i've been moved to tears by music and movies and art and people. i just don't think i felt them in an environment or felt it necessary to show those feelings on the inside. that's what i respect about the holy spirit or whatever and people who feel that spirit...they're not afraid to show it. no matter whether all the people who are obviously gonna come in here and hate, believe them or not. they'll be call fake and silly, but they'll still go ahead and worship in the way they see fit.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

>cause i've felt the chills before. or the Jesus tingles. like
>i'd be sitting there and a song would be sung and i'd feel
>something on the inside. not sure what it was, but it would be
>something. and church kinda is an environment where if you
>want to act on what you feel on the inside....its welcome. if
>you wanna clap...you can clap. if you wanna stand and
>run...you can run. and if you wanna buck will you pass out in
>a heap on the floor, you can do that too. i think that sort of
>religious expression is a conduit.

right. and i've felt 'full' (of the spirit) before. it doesn't express itself in me (or i don't express it) in dancing and shouting or running. but i feel it. it is a connectedness, a plugged in-ness, and a lightness, where it's like all of my burdens and sorrows are transformed through praise into an all-encompassing gratitude and overflowing of emotion.

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>but if felt those same tingles listening to secular music.

word. and i experienced this long before the spiritual aspect. might be 'blue notes' and former gospel musicians hitting them chords and harmonies that just resonate with my soul, but i've felt that before.


>i've been moved to tears by music and movies and art and
>people. i just don't think i felt them in an environment or
>felt it necessary to show those feelings on the inside.

right. which is really why i think i caught the manifestation in house music. you wanna jump, go head and do that.

that's
>what i respect about the holy spirit or whatever and people
>who feel that spirit...they're not afraid to show it. no
>matter whether all the people who are obviously gonna come in
>here and hate, believe them or not. they'll be call fake and
>silly, but they'll still go ahead and worship in the way they
>see fit.
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>it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're
>strangers.
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>not compassionate....only polite.
>
>I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.


peace & blessings,

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http://youtu.be/DjfSU_Ifi1w

http://youtu.be/k2qaDZLkWXM

http://youtu.be/h8fcpKamg18

He was a founding member of Underground Resistance and is very open about his faith, which is supposedly very strong. I cant think of anyone else in that scene who so explicitly draws on his faith for his art.

thanks!

peace & blessings,

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

>right. and i've felt 'full' (of the spirit) before. it doesn't
>express itself in me (or i don't express it) in dancing and
>shouting or running. but i feel it. it is a connectedness, a
>plugged in-ness, and a lightness, where it's like all of my
>burdens and sorrows are transformed through praise into an
>all-encompassing gratitude and overflowing of emotion.

do you find yourself repressing what you feel? cause as soon as i feel full of the 'spirit' or whatever i'll cut it off. i'd definitely cry. and after that would probably be more physically expressive, or at least more vocally expressive. maybe cause that's what i've seen and what i grew up around, but i'd definitely give off a loud hallelujah and then who knows what would happen. but i'm a demonstrative and animated person at times.

so yeah...are the Jesus tingles your full of the spirit, or is that you cue to reel it in cause shit might get real.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

maaaaaan, maybe its the chords, the chorus, her voice...

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

makes way more sense than the modern/mainstream explanation

Could you explain, even though I think I know where you are going with this?

the "tongues" ppl spoke in that instance were real languages they used to go spread the word in other countries (iirc)
now days you can catch the holy ghost and speak in tongues any day of the week and the only purpose it serves is to let other ppl in the congregation know that you caught the holy spirit

But there have been times whether during worship or reading my bible that I've felt the Holy Spirit on me. Usually just makes me cry. Indescribable feeling definitely but it's certainly not what's depicted in certain churches and on TV.

to everyone in a different way.

and i generally look at the jumping, dancing, shouting, speaking jibberish and running around the building with a great deal of cynicism and another word that i was thinking before i typed cynicism and now it has left me. but whatever, it involves a lot of eye rolling in my head.

Like what Mr Thomas said
It's a weight is lifted off of you
You feel completely free and at peace
Feeling that free makes me cry.

it's am amazing indescribable feeling

I've felt the holy spirit move me to cry. But, I believe that's as far as it goes. I've felt it within me. But, I haven't felt it enough to dance or run into a glass door (I've seen it happen).

Like a reassuring peace, but to "catch the Holy Ghost " as far as speaking in tongues (gibberish not actual languages) or being slain by the spirit I believe to be unsound doctrine biblically as well as spiritually.

I haven't been to church In ages
But when i used to go I never cared for the sermon much
Just the songs.

Church chords are beautiful
Baptist church chords

but then go into a club and dancing your ass off. (conversely I always thought church folks shouldn't judge folks for going out dancing).

The experience is so similar.

Ever look at a scene in a dance party with the music cut off? If you step back and look at it from an objective disconnected clinical matter, it looks very other wordly. Like a spiritual possession. A bunch of people rhythmically gyrating their bodies in sync.

I think the one good thing that came out the matrix reloaded was showing me how you can blur the lines between a club experience and a religious experience. Check out this scene if you don't remember it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqx01bwiM10

Is that a club or spiritual gathering?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

..but not to the extent where i start speaking in tongues or hollerintg, or losing it....i just get to a very calm space in my spirit where it's like no one else is there other than me and God...it's VERY peaceful for me....

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

Yes folks can be moved to dance in joy or celebration e.g. David's triumphant entry, but the type of extra stuff like non sensical tongues, spasms, falling on the floor-- there just isn't any biblical support for it. If anything, according to the bible, throwing oneself on the ground uncontrollably is a whole other type of possession and a malevolent one at that.

>Yes folks can be moved to dance in joy or celebration e.g.
>David's triumphant entry, but the type of extra stuff like non
>sensical tongues, spasms, falling on the floor-- there just
>isn't any biblical support for it. If anything, according to
>the bible, throwing oneself on the ground uncontrollably is a
>whole other type of possession and a malevolent one at that.



Both the The Great Awakening and the The Azusa Street Revival displayed a new dimension in the expression of how the Holy Spirit moved though people.



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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

So if you all "shouldaboughtahonda" and ain't no message coming through you for the people?
You a piece of brass, according to Corinthians or whatever book he said that in.

When I used to go to church tho, I was pretty much like Sepia earlier in the comments.
I really have nothing against people wanting to get emotional and let loose in a trusting community.
I think this stems from out African traditions more than anything... dancing around the drum and so forth.
I just like to give credit where it's due back to our origins. It's an emotional purging.
Just understand it for what it is.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vRFLgbIUWQ

I would've *felt* it.

But the truth is I will never feel connected in today's church environment.

Lawd knows I love me some drums and soul humming.
Went to the Black Pride flea market and had to bust out in dance to the drums.
My homeboy said I looked like I was crushing grapes, lol.


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vRFLgbIUWQ
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>I would've *felt* it.
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>But the truth is I will never feel connected in today's church
>environment.
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that flea market sounds awesome though

I dunno what he was doin with that guitar. He wasnt even playing a song, per se.

just opened with a buildup of chords. Me and my boy just kinda stared at each other, acknowledging that something not of this world seemed to be goin down.

AMEN