if people that are poor were to stop committing crime forever,
would cops stop arresting poor people?

I am wondering if a narrative about the criminal justice system
being used to monitor, marginalize, and incarcerate poor people
would go over better than a narrative
about mass incarnation based on race.



also...

I am wondering if people actually think that rich people commit less crimes
than poor people.

I haven't seen a case where more $$ for the defense would've made a big difference. Also, I haven't seen it true that attorneys who work in public defender offices are less competent or less willing to go to trial than private attorneys. In fact I've seen privates try fewer cases bc defendants don't want to or cannot afford to pay for a trial.

because that seems kinda fucked up.

if we, as a society, think drug use is a problem,
we should want ALL people to feel the threat of arrest for recreational drug use.

Rich fratboys at white colleges.
Wall street executives.
Folks in the projects.

Why aren't rich ppl in our jails?

and policies keep stories like most recently told on ThisAmericanLife going…

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two?act=1

before prison level, jail and a ridiculous record

also watching that Nas doc reveal the kids in his 90s photos are currently in prison or deceased...
so sadly felt

Pretty much from the start.

Having powerful people vouch for you can help reduce or eliminate alot of legal bs.

>I am wondering if people actually think that rich people
>commit less crimes
>than poor people.

you think poor and rich people commit crimes at the same rate?
are we including traffic violations and private drug use?

>>I am wondering if people actually think that rich people
>>commit less crimes
>>than poor people.
>
>you think poor and rich people commit crimes at the same
>rate?
>are we including traffic violations and private drug use?

white collar crime
sheeeit murder, assault


that privilege?
just means they get out of it easier, or dont get looked at at all
connections means they dont go to court or go to jail
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>just means they get out of it easier, or dont get looked at at
>all
>connections means they dont go to court or go to jail

people are too busy studying the poor and working class

http://www.discoversociety.org/2014/12/01/viewpoint-the-rich-the-elephant-in-the-sociology-room/

http://thesocietypages.org/eye/2008/06/13/the-%E2%80%9Clucky-rich%E2%80%9D-emergence-of-a-new-social-class/


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if we exclude personal drug use and traffic offenses, there's no way rich people commit as many crimes per capita than poor people. Most criminals are criminals because of lack of opportunity, not character.

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"the threat of legal consequences will appear empty since the person hadn’t experienced consequences before."


that privilege is not something more rich folks are inclined to be privy to
and the combination of money, power and privilege routinely and historical combines to allow a vacuum of absolute power

and as you know the very old saying goes
absolute power corrupts...
say it with me

with that i'm not sure why you would think that people who CAN get away with things...dont

human psychology just doesn't work that way, sorry


btw that kids dad?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/20/us-usa-texas-affluenza-idUSKBN0GK1GO20140820

Father of Texas 'affluenza' teen arrested for impersonating police officer
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drug use.
theft.

(Yes, the shit that gets embezzled from the office is crime
just like the shit that gets shoplifted from convenience stores)

insider trading is also counts as crime.
as does fraud, etc.

you know, shit rich ppl obviously do.


it is my contention that rich and poor peole commit an equal amount of crime.

but the police do not monitor rich people.
which essentially means they can (and do) commit crime beyond the reach of the
criminal justice system.



>>I am wondering if people actually think that rich people
>>commit less crimes
>>than poor people.
>
>you think poor and rich people commit crimes at the same
>rate?
>are we including traffic violations and private drug use?
>

I see desperation as motivation for crimes like retail theft (stealing toiletries or food for personal use) but rarely for the crimes that give ppl fits.

that opens a whole other can of worms.

not all of them though.

are wealthy ppl that do illegal trades desperate for more money?


sure some crime occurs because of desperation,
but some crime occurs because ppl just felt like doing it.

I am sure if rich ppl were monitored like poor ppl,
we'd find just as much crime.

but we don't even think of white collar crime as being crime.
which is kinda my point.

the justice system is here to incarcerate poor ppl,
not to stop crime.

if we were focused on stopping crime,
maybe somebody in the criminal justice system would
have been working on stopping illegal shit that led
to the great recession.

but now I am reaching.

You see my point though.

in part bc sentencing judges tend to believe rich ppl will comply with the terms of probation b/c they have "so much" to lose. Also they are more likely to be able to pay heavy fines in lieu of jail or prison time. So they get probation sentences more often. Plus, judges are more likely to give the rich sentences that won't destroy their futures perhaps b/c the potential destruction is more easily understood.

level of crime being unchanged with or without the current form of patrolling, lifestyle arrests, citations etc shows that the only reason behind it and benefit from it is rob from the poor to give to the rich


kinda amazing how that whole 'hamsterdam' experiment happened and was immediately forgotten/ignored with everybody afraid to speak on what the larger implications are



also rich ppl connections and white privilege allow for ridiculous shtt like

-the last 2 affluenza cases
-case out west where dude actually did get indicted, and judge just decided he didnt agree with the jury and refused to send the guy to jail
-just watched wolf of wall st. bruh got 3 yrs for robbing hundreds of millions and ingesting more coke than avg cornerboy ever seen
-white boy in philly suburbs had a distro org, sellin to a ring of highschools (nevermind just being x feet away from a school zone), got the textbook "character witnesses"/he was depressed/gonna enroll in drug rehab -rich ppl defense and got 3months+work release up to 2 yrs max. and judge told him hes got a bright future.

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That currently exist in the U.S.

>-white boy in philly suburbs had a distro org, sellin to a
>ring of highschools (nevermind just being x feet away from a
>school zone), got the textbook "character witnesses"/he was
>depressed/gonna enroll in drug rehab -rich ppl defense and got
> 3months+work release up to 2 yrs max. and judge told him hes
>got a bright future.
>


the guy you are talking about was the connect to the high schools , probably because he was 17/18
and it's likely that he flipped and got a deal

rich ppl use drugs, too.
but they ain't in jail.

why aren't rich ppl monitored, prosecuted, and sentenced the same way?

let's leave race out of it.
why are only poor people in jail?

Certainly it's not because the do drugs less.

>
>>-white boy in philly suburbs had a distro org, sellin to a
>>ring of highschools (nevermind just being x feet away from a
>>school zone), got the textbook "character witnesses"/he was
>>depressed/gonna enroll in drug rehab -rich ppl defense and
>got
>> 3months+work release up to 2 yrs max. and judge told him
>hes
>>got a bright future.
>>
>
>
>the guy you are talking about was the connect to the high
>schools , probably because he was 17/18
>and it's likely that he flipped and got a deal
>

have you lived in the hood then lived in an affluent area (or vice versa)
just look at the local crime reports
my friend drunkenly left $400 on the seat of his bmw friday night
and didn't realize and get it until 1pm saturday
if he lived in the hood that shit would have been GONE before the sun came up
it's just a different environment where more petty shit comes up and so the police are more active

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/02/mass_incarceration_a_provocative_new_theory_for_why_so_many_americans_are.html

It's kind of counterintuitive by stating that a relatively small amount of the prison population is there for drugs. It's mostly non-drug violent crime.

I need to look into that for sure.

Most ppl sentenced to prison have prior convictions in their criminal histories. They often start with misdemeanors and progress to felonies. Once they stack up enough of those - even if probation or court supervision - it becomes nearly impossible to resolve cases without prison or jail time or to get a probation sentence after trial.

Yeah.