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Topic subjectSomethings age horribly: Jay Z's 'Aint no n*gga' Video.
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12725352, Somethings age horribly: Jay Z's 'Aint no n*gga' Video.
Posted by double negative, Wed Feb-11-15 05:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3fif3OCYc4


-Jay, Dame and co dressed like corny old heads in the club
-lexus being viewed as some real shit to push
-Denim shorts
-pretty much everything

yet, I still love this shit.
12725416, start of the south beach jiggy video trend
Posted by j., Wed Feb-11-15 05:53 PM
south beach doesn't look like that anymore, in this video it almost looks like the scarface chi chi get the yayo scene
12725450, Jay-z's style was corny at the time
Posted by John Forte, Wed Feb-11-15 06:31 PM
There's been a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Reasonable Doubt era Jay. Niggas weren't bumping the album like that when it dropped, and that whole big willie thing he was doing was widely perceived as lame.
12725464, Is it really revisionist though?
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Feb-11-15 06:48 PM
The album aged well and stood the test of time. Whether or not it set the world on fire at the time is sort of immaterial to how it's viewed in retrospect.
12725638, thank you.
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Thu Feb-12-15 08:15 AM
some albums get more love after the fact.
it's not unusual.

ppl act like it's a death blow that reasonable doubt wasn't
viewed as a classic until years later.

12725744, Jay-Z as perennial cool-guy w/ 8 summers on lock is revisionist
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 10:42 AM
12725854, ?
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 11:52 AM
so it was only 7 summers??

LOL.

i was there. in the 90s and 00s. i recall Jay-Z and Missy releasing hot tracks each summer for a few yrs. i used to look forward to it.
12725873, Jay-Z didn't separate from the pack until Hard Knock
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 11:58 AM
before then, he was one of many popular NY rappers.
12725876, great.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 11:59 AM
you be sure to shout this from the back every time you hear or see a discussion about Jay Z. it's important that history be correct!
12725878, lol
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 12:01 PM
12725884, cute
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 12:04 PM
12726333, I think you have to be from NYC to understand your point.
Posted by micMajestic, Thu Feb-12-15 05:51 PM
>before then, he was one of many popular NY rappers.

Or at least have been in NYC at the time Jay the song popped off. Club heads had to respect it, cause it wasn't a club song but it was so hot they had to play it. I guess the best comparison to this I can think of for the younger generation is Drake's "Successful".
Backpackers had to respect "Hard Knock Life", because it was simply the illest concept song out. Jay didn't have everyone's ear, until that joint dropped.

Let my love slide in and never slip out
12726490, So what?
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 11:11 PM
The point is 'Ain't No Nigga' was a jam. Then. If some NYC folks didn't dig it that has NO bearing on our feeling about it now as it had none then.

So what?

And then yeah, starting with 'Money Ain't a Thang' or 'Hard Knock Life' (which ever) Jay had a string of hot summer singles. Again - no one cared or cares about what ppl in NYC thought of that single or any of the rest. They were hits. Lol
12725468, But this track did hit and put him on the map
Posted by j., Wed Feb-11-15 06:59 PM
the club was out of control whenever this song came on and the rest is history

most heads were like "this is the triple fast rapper? the tung twista sounding dude?"

meanwhile girls in the club were rappin Foxy word for word
12725539, Like, half of Foxy's lyrics are a commercial for hot shit from that time
Posted by double negative, Wed Feb-11-15 09:33 PM
That's why I get baguettes, 5 carats and all that
From Dolce Gabana to H Bendel I'm ringing bells
So who the player, I still keep you in the illest gators
Tailor made so we can lay up in the shade reminiscing
On how I fuck the best and shit
Especially when I'm sipping Baileys
Don't give a fuck about how you move with them other mamis
I push the Z, eating shrimp scampi with rocks larger than life
Fuck them Reebok broads, you made it known who your wife was
I got you fronting in Armani sweaters, before this rap shit
When you was in leathers and bullshit berettas
And E classes with Mo in the glasses
Shows in Cali with all the flavor suede Bally's
Now all your mens is up in your Benz's
12725981, well she was 15 at the time, so name dropping was the hotness
Posted by StephBMore, Thu Feb-12-15 01:20 PM
12726324, wasnt jay writing her early rhymes for her?
Posted by mikediggz, Thu Feb-12-15 05:30 PM
12726489, Smoothe da Hustler wrote Foxy's verse
Posted by uniqueterror, Thu Feb-12-15 11:05 PM
Crazy. Look up his recent interview with Forbez DVD Live about it.
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12725497, Revisionist history is the OKP-type acting like they loved Biggie
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-11-15 08:05 PM
when he first dropped.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r
12725543, RE: Revisionist history is the OKP-type acting like they loved Biggie
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Feb-11-15 09:37 PM
I fucked with Biggie's early shit but when Life After Death first came out, I was like WTF is this shiny shit?! I was still spinning Hell On Earth, Ironman and Muddy Waters from the last quarter of 96. My ears weren't ready for LAD. Took me a while to appreciate it.
12725645, yup, backpackers loved Biggie until he got all shiny
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 08:52 AM
I'm still looking for the Party n Bullshit remix with that upright bass they used to play on WBLS and Stretch & Bobbito's show.



12725720, most bacpackers weren't really on board
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 10:28 AM
I really wish I could find that Source interview where Biggie said he really wished people took him seriously as a lyricist.
12725749, most bacpackers were hatin ass haters back then...
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 10:50 AM
I know, I was one of them and traveled up and down the East Coast hating on anything that was popular.

12725877, I found it
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 12:01 PM
http://www.egotripland.com/biggie_lastsource_interview/2/

"“I want people to buy album,” he states emphatically, “and just straight up say, ‘Yo, he’s the best. He’s the best ever. He’s the best that ever did it.’ That’s what I’m lookin’ for. I want my props. ’Cause they slept on me. I read and they give me my props as being that solo emcee that blew up from the East Coast: But they don’t give me my props like, ‘Yo, Big be straight dicin’ niggas on the mic! On the rhyme side, he’s nice!’ They don’t really look at me like that.”
12725730, RE: yup, backpackers loved Biggie until he got all shiny
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Thu Feb-12-15 10:34 AM
The Lord Finesse remix?
12725740, FUUUCK YEAHHHHHH!!!!!
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 10:41 AM
I been looking for this shit for YEARS bruh...

gatdamn this shit was so funky. I wasn't even mad at the Puffy adlibs on this version.

I saw Biggie perform this (not the remix) at Jones Beach before he blew up... whole beach scattered during the fight skit. We lost it when they started jumping up and down.

I heard this before the the original and was pissed when it wasn't on the album.



12725784, RE: FUUUCK YEAHHHHHH!!!!!
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Thu Feb-12-15 11:09 AM
I think that version is only available on vinyl http://youtu.be/7OmaZnmk3X8
12725789, I have it. I'll inbox it to you.
Posted by Chanson, Thu Feb-12-15 11:11 AM
12725881, word
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 12:02 PM
12725855, side note: I worked on the post production of the Biggie movie
Posted by double negative, Thu Feb-12-15 11:52 AM
that was years and years ago
12725950, love that movie
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 12:55 PM
12725712, I used to love Big's first album. Played that all the time.
Posted by 8-bit, Thu Feb-12-15 10:21 AM
Had Ready To Die like week one. Loved the album, disliked "Juicy" and HATED the remix to "One More Chance." By the time his 2nd album came out I wasn't fucking with Big any more. He started making that cornball materialistic shit.
12725550, Hot 97 played all of Jay's Reasonable Doubt singles
Posted by Chanson, Wed Feb-11-15 09:43 PM
"Ain't No Nigga" and "Can't Knock The Hustle" got heavy rotation.

Like, he was all over the radio in 1996. It's revisionist to say people weren't feelin' it.

At least in NYC anyway.
12725660, Ain't no nigga was huge in the dc area when it dropped too
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Thu Feb-12-15 09:14 AM
12725718, Hot 97 played all kinds of corny shit
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 10:27 AM
because they used to play a LOT of records in the mid-90s. It's not like today where the rotation was so small, that anything that got spins was a smash hit. Lords of the Underground, King Just and N9NE for crazy airplay too.
12725741, "Dead Presidents" went gold. Reasonable Doubt went gold
Posted by Chanson, Thu Feb-12-15 10:41 AM
Nine and King Just had one song each and neither of their singles ("Whutchu Want" and "Warrior's Drum") or albums went gold. Those songs just got played on the radio.

In 1996 Hot 97 had "Dead Presidents", "Ain't No Nigga", "Can't Knock The Hustle" and "Brooklyn's Finest" in their regular rotation playlist. Plus, Jay was also featured on R&B songs (Horace Brown's "Things We Do For Love (Remix)" and Shai's "I Don't Want To Be Alone (Remix)") that got regular rotation.

You're trying to act like he was Smoothe Da Hustler or Blahzay Blahzay. I mean, Roc-A-Fella Records got their deal with Def Jam because Reasonable Doubt was so popular.
12725775, Forte is wearing a backpack right now...lol
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 11:04 AM
12725796, less of a feat back then
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 11:14 AM
Artists who released albums in 1995 that charted higher on both the Hot-100 and RnB/Rap charts:

E-40
Pac
Ol Dirty
Mobb Deep
Kool G Rap
The Dogg Pound
Bone Thugs in Harmony
Gza
Goodie Mobb
LL Cool J

This doesn't include the 1994 releases that were still ruling the airwaves.
12725888, Yet it took Illmatic almost two years to go gold
Posted by Chanson, Thu Feb-12-15 12:06 PM
During that period:

Black Moon didn't go gold.
Smif-N-Wessun didn't go gold.
Kool G Rap has never gone gold in his entire career.
Jeru The Damaja didn't go gold.
Gang Starr didn't go gold.
Lords of the Underground never went gold.
Nine never went gold.
King Just never went gold.
M.O.P never went gold.
O.C. never went gold.
Fat Joe never went gold.
Pete Rock & CL Smooth never went gold.
AZ's album didn't go gold (single did though).
Big L didn't go gold.
DAS EFX didn't go gold.
Grand Puba didn't go gold.
Mic Geronimo didn't go gold.
De La Soul didn't go gold.

And many others.

Are you going to act like people weren't bumping their albums?
12725860, did Biggie used to beat you up at recess?
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 11:53 AM
what gives?

12725581, i liked reasonable doubt but I also thought he was corny
Posted by makaveli, Wed Feb-11-15 11:00 PM
at the time.
12725591, agreed
Posted by wluv, Wed Feb-11-15 11:31 PM
Thats because Puff and Big was still running things and Jay wasnt out of their shadow yet. He was still considered just a local rapper back then.
12725710, My homie copped RD when it first came out... we used to bump it alot
Posted by 8-bit, Thu Feb-12-15 10:20 AM
Funny enough, I liked most of the album EXCEPT for "Ain't No Nigga." I hated that fucking song. It was what we called a "girl song" back in the day. Only broads used to like shit like that. The rest of the album was solid. Jay actually got cornier after this album, with more and more girl tracks on each album.
12725852, this song was THE SHIT upon release.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 11:51 AM
w/o regard for the rest of the album, this song got major burn in Chicago. it was on radio regularly and i heard it at parties often too.
12725476, My first time hearing this song was at a live showcase at BET studio
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Feb-11-15 07:25 PM
OC came out in a party shirt spinning in circles..

Black Moon perfomed and Buckshot was jumping on the speakers..

Jay came out and stood right next to his DJ and spit this shit so hard and effortlessly. No dancing or rah rah shit, just spit the lyrics and played off the DJ cutting the beat.

it was the B side to Dead Presidents. It took a while for people to flip the record over because everyone was on that Nas sample. but once they found it every DJ in Richmond played it more than Dead Presidents.

Oh yeah, and Jay was only corny in that Hawaiian Sophie shirt. He ripped that Original flava Can I Get Open track.
12725498, First time I heard it was heading into NYC to go to tramps for a Fugees
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Feb-11-15 08:06 PM
concert freshman year in college. I thought it was so corny.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r
12725653, interesting. I was on my backpack shit so I fucked with Dead
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 09:01 AM
Presidents because the piano sample was lovely.

Backpackers hated on everything that wasn't gritty or rappity rap tho
12725546, dj spun it before dead prez's set last night
Posted by rawsouthpaw, Wed Feb-11-15 09:39 PM
i was wildin out like it was 95
12725556, I wish I had a Lexus right now
Posted by Chanson, Wed Feb-11-15 09:49 PM
12725655, right, me too.
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Feb-12-15 09:04 AM
talkin' about that aint real shit to push. man, i liked it when hip hop was more realistic.
12725574, thoughts
Posted by wluv, Wed Feb-11-15 10:35 PM
Foxy was holding aces and had a mean ass walk on her. I KNOW she was getting ran down back then.

I love cool Big and Jay were back then. Big was already platinum and would always shout out Jay back then. Their egos were never to a point were they couldn't coexist and support one another even being from the same burrough.

I remember Big being in here but forgot about Jaz. Go figure.

Jada Pinkett was skinny as hell in an unsexy way back then. She looks better with meat on them bones.
12725595, Video corny. But Foxy truly bodied this song though. You almost forget how
Posted by El_essence, Wed Feb-11-15 11:58 PM
dope she was at one point.
12725752, Foxy had mad flow
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine, Thu Feb-12-15 10:53 AM
12725656, Song sucks as bad as the day it came out
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Feb-12-15 09:06 AM
How they decided to go with it as the single on THAT album...


Beyond me
12725716, It was the Chick Track on the album
Posted by 8-bit, Thu Feb-12-15 10:23 AM
Some cornball shit that chicks at the party/club could sing along too. Sad enough, pretty much everything became chick tracks over time. No dude I know cared one bit about Dolce & Gobanna or Burberry or fancy champagne or any of that other stupid shit.
12725994, What album? The Nutty Professor Soundtrack?
Posted by StephBMore, Thu Feb-12-15 01:26 PM
Because it was a single for the soundtrack, which dropped "Touch Me Tease Me" as a single and that Monica feat Treach joint "Ain't Nobody" (that didnt get much airplay but the video was on tv a lot). And that Montel joint "I like" was a single.

What other song on the album could have been a single.
12726300, Reasonable Doubt
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Feb-12-15 05:06 PM
It was also the lead single for that album
12726463, Maaaan nah, Jay's entire trajectory would be different at this point.
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Feb-12-15 10:09 PM
So many East Coast rappers had songs similar to Reasonable Doubt, Dead Presidents, and the rest of that album...even if Jay's were dope, for him to be a new artist commercially, he HAD TO have something like "Ain't no nigga" to break through.

Now the commercial singles on Vol. 1 didn't really do much to push him to the next level, but he was able to hold ground through them.
12725734, Whats wrong with a Lexus?
Posted by Binladen, Thu Feb-12-15 10:39 AM






















































Oh wait, this is Okayplayer...
12725850, nothing but its pseudo luxury
Posted by double negative, Thu Feb-12-15 11:49 AM
kind of how acura is a nicer honda, lexus is a nicer toyota
12725952, smh
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 12:56 PM
12725781, this is a like a backpacker wormwhole back to 90s. yikes
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Thu Feb-12-15 11:07 AM
post some digable planets links STAT so these folks can calm down
12725831, lmao...i thought it was me...nigga said jean shorts..it was 96
Posted by ambient1, Thu Feb-12-15 11:34 AM
and that shit was bumpin in the club
12725859, true, but, its funny to see yesterday through todays eyes
Posted by double negative, Thu Feb-12-15 11:53 AM
12725869, im sayin, that was/is a good song
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Thu Feb-12-15 11:57 AM
12725862, hello.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 11:54 AM
it's like Biggie stole they lunch money or som'n.

i don't get it.
12725866, LOL!
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Thu Feb-12-15 11:56 AM
retreading a war they lost 20 years ago
12725907, I think they still blame Jay and Biggie for ruining hip hop
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 12:19 PM






12726005, literally nobody is shitting on Jay or Biggie
Posted by John Forte, Thu Feb-12-15 01:38 PM
we're simply saying, shit didn't actually go down like you remember it:

http://www.egotripland.com/biggie_lastsource_interview/2/

"“I want people to buy album,” he states emphatically, “and just straight up say, ‘Yo, he’s the best. He’s the best ever. He’s the best that ever did it.’ That’s what I’m lookin’ for. I want my props. ’Cause they slept on me. I read and they give me my props as being that solo emcee that blew up from the East Coast: But they don’t give me my props like, ‘Yo, Big be straight dicin’ niggas on the mic! On the rhyme side, he’s nice!’ They don’t really look at me like that.”
12726038, keep shouting into the wind, homie.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-12-15 02:12 PM
it's very important.
12726459, huh??? Big was complaining about the Source not giving him lyricist of the month
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-12-15 09:51 PM
even though he was lyricist of the year.

12726495, the video was always wack...song was fire though
Posted by gumz, Thu Feb-12-15 11:23 PM
still is