Poll question: What's harder to escape?

Poll result (22 votes) Poverty (18 votes) Vote Obesity (2 votes) Vote Addiction (2 votes) Vote

Poverty utilizes addiction too, hmmm, however, obesity is always easy to support. Plenty of cheap junk food. Addiction becomes harder and harder.

but obesity has the most enablers

b/c it often involves beating systems and institutions.

beating obesity and addiction are much more personal. pulling on one's own bootstraps and all that jazz.

poor-shaming is far more socially acceptable than fat-shaming or even addict-shaming. People hate poor people.

yes.

>poor-shaming is far more socially acceptable than fat-shaming
>or addict-shaming.

Like at all.

People fat-shame way more than "poor-shame"

Haven't heard any "addict-shaming" though...unless it's related to being a crackhead

and people will think you're less of an asshole than someone who clowns people for being fat. Broke niggas are always targets for ridicule.

You maybe could clown a not-broke person about being broke. But clowning actual poor people will bring you an uppercut real quick.

Shitting on fat folks and crackheads and drunks is universally embraced across all of society.

The fact that poverty IS so hard to get out of is what makes it more taboo than the others.

but the cross-generational affects of poverty are often overlooked on some "If I was a poor black kid" cluelessness


http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/12/12/if-i-was-a-poor-black-kid/

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It's definitely one of the most crippling and debilitating forms of disease there is.

You're never truly cured and you're back to square one with any setback.

the experience will vary wildly depending on the substance or behavior involved and one's personal history, medical history, physical condition and genetics.

social status is probably the biggest factor in addiction imo. many well to do people are weekend warriors that can leave the drugs behind on Monday, yourself included, i think.

addiction affects every socioeconomic status equally.

There are studies on this. People with established careers and families, are not as susceptible to addiction as people living in poverty.

>There are studies on this. People with established careers
>and families, are not as susceptible to addiction as people
>living in poverty.


Now read what you wrote up top.

your anecdote made it sound like
poor ppl get affected by drugs or addiction differently.

Yeah, well, a human being is a human being after all.

>the experience will vary wildly depending on the substance or
>behavior involved and one's personal history, medical history,
>physical condition and genetics.


But I've always understood that to beat an addiction, you had to completely abstain.

People trying to build wealth can occasionally blow some money... people trying to fight obesity can occasionally have cheat meals. Fighting addiction has always sounded all or nothing to me.

>You're never truly cured and you're back to square one with
>any setback.


if an alcoholic that has chosen total sobriety slips and has a drink after 5 years of sobriety,
they may have a complete relapse if they view that as back to square one.


better is, you slipped up.
be sober from now on.

it depends on what substance or behavior we're talking about.

i don't agree that all addictions must be considered lifelong and all addicts are addicts forever and must be diligent everyday against sliding back into bad behavior and all that jazz.

I can smoke socially a couple of times a year because I'm no longer an addict.

>>You're never truly cured and you're back to square one with
>>any setback.
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>if an alcoholic that has chosen total sobriety slips and has a
>drink after 5 years of sobriety,
>they may have a complete relapse if they view that as back to
>square one.
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>
>better is, you slipped up.
>be sober from now on.

If your goal is total sobriety, then it ended with the slip up and starts again when you renew the fight.

Anyway, I think you're inferring a defeatist tone in "You're never truly cured". This is just what I've seen expressed by some addicts struggling with sobriety... what you've expressed is how they manage to cope with that realization. Either way, an occasional indulgence is not part of their program to beat their addiction.

I wasn't thinking of all addictions though, like smoking, so YMMV.

and easiest to relapse. Go to a twelve step-meeting and see how many of these people who kicked alcohol/heroin/meth/coke can't kick nicotine.

I am in the harm reduction camp.

Total abstentience is best for some ppl, and I love it for them.
But even within abstenience, I feel that identifying as an addict forever
is counterproductive.

The way you frame ideas in your mind matters.

a slip up isn't a catastrophe.
it's a mistake.

take a controled, measured response and move on.




>Anyway, I think you're inferring a defeatist tone in "You're
>never truly cured". This is just what I've seen expressed by
>some addicts struggling with sobriety... what you've expressed
>is how they manage to cope with that realization. Either way,
>an occasional indulgence is not part of their program to beat
>their addiction.
>
>I wasn't thinking of all addictions though, like smoking, so
>YMMV.

Some people are powerless when it comes to their drug of choice.

at the same damn time...


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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

And still a remarkable paucity of resources to escape poverty.

If you're a kid living in a house where both parents are battling substance abuse problems there are very few "resources" to help you break free.

I think that makes you a very strong person.

...fully comprehend your options under those circumstances.

To know there are options to help yourself and attain some kind of escape velocity.

I'd also concede it's an intellectual and emotional challenge to take that kind of leap of independence, and there is an avalanche of extenuating circumstances that can come down once any kind of move is made.

But it's not a foregone conclusion.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

money from my bucket

therefore i hate it and get a job, loser

And many people just ain't got what it takes.