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12717135, Gotcha, still cherry picking. I tried to engage you.
Posted by TheAlbionist, Tue Feb-03-15 01:02 PM
Wildly out of context copy and pastes and nindlessness (healthy or Unhealthy = binary? REALLY? You want to stand by that?!) don't convey personal understanding... you've got so much out of context in that post I can't even decide where to star... if only you'd keep yourself to two idiotic ideas per post my dualist brain might be able to decide.

Out of interest, why are you discussing this on a hiphop forum and not a philosophy one? Having discussed life and existence at length with a father and brother with phds in the subject, a best friend with a PhD in physics and an ex-girlfriend with one in Neuroscience, I'd just love to see how THAT goes. Normally I'm the idiot in these situations, it's nice to be on the other side of the net occasionally, I suppose.

>There many pairs on the human body, I did not say it was
>the only thing on the human body, however, you will still find
>sets of 2 within those organs. I'll list a few instances where
>this is the case.
>
>>1 brain
>
>-The brains of all species are composed primarily of two broad
>classes of cells: neurons and glial cells

>
>-The two neurotransmitters that are used most widely in the
>vertebrate brain are glutamate, which almost always exerts
>excitatory effects on target neurons, and gamma-aminobutyric
>acid (GABA), which is almost always inhibitory.
>
>-There are two types of sleep: REM sleep (with dreaming) and
>NREM (non-REM, usually without dreaming) sleep, which repeat
>in slightly varying patterns throughout a sleep episode.
>
>-2 Hemispheres. Brains without 2 hemispheres have been found
>but they are extremely rare. The consensus is that we have 2.
>
>>1 heart
>
>-1 heart which contracts and expands. The way it works is
>completely governed by duality.
>
>-The heart has four chambers, two upper atria, the receiving
>chambers, and two lower ventricle
>
>-Between the left atrium and left ventricle is the mitral
>valve, also known as the bicuspid valve due to its having two
>cusps, an anterior and a posterior medial cusp. These cusps
>are also attached via chordae tendinae to two papillary
>muscles projecting from the ventricular wall.
>
>
>
>>1 liver
>
>-Gross anatomy traditionally divided the liver into two – a
>right and a left lobe, as viewed from the front
>(diaphragmatic) surface; but the underside (the visceral
>surface) shows it to be divided into four lobes and includes
>the caudate and quadrate lobes.
>
>-Other anatomical landmarks exist, such as the ligamentum
>venosum and the round ligament of the liver (ligamentum teres)
>that further divide the left side of the liver in two
>sections.
>
>
>>1 pancreas
>
>-The pancreas is a secretory structure with a internal
>hormonal role (endocrine) and an external digestive role
>(exocrine). It has two main ducts, the main pancreatic duct,
>and the accessory pancreatic duct.
>
>>1 penis
>
>-2 testicles. Source of life.
>
>
>I'll stop here. As you can see, there are many pairs embedded
>into the anatomy. You can go on and research them yourself. It
>all depends on how you choose to look at it. You can take it
>at surface level and all it just a "liver", but on deeper
>inspection, there are actually 2 lobes, etc.
>
>>
>>Shall I continue or are we just ignoring all the
>ridiculously
>>important stuff that comes in 1s or other numbers? Just
>>blinkering ourselves to the twos?
>
>I think you should look at those organs in more detail and
>also look into fractals.
>
>>
>>>- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and
>Off.
>>>Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale.
>>All
>>>muscles contract, and expand.
>>
>>How else could either of those systems work then? Apply
>>Occam's Razor. How else can you get the oxygen from air and
>>lose the carbon dioxide without putting it somewhere,
>>processing it and then spitting out the waste?
>>
>>We breathe in and out because that's the only way breathing
>>makes sense. If we didn't breathe in we couldn't strip the
>air
>>of its oxygen. If we didn't breathe out, we'd explode after
>a
>>few minutes. It's obvious, isn't it?
>
>There are other ways to breathe. Certain organisms do not need
>a mouth or lungs to breathe. There are also 2 lungs in the
>human body which do the breathing.
>
>The point I am trying to illustrate is, that pairs come up a
>lot in the human anatomy, and this is reflected in our
>thinking as well.
>
>
>
>
>>Ancient mystics believed the world was flat and the stars
>were
>>gods too. Ancient mystics aren't often the best people to
>>consult in 2015, especially when you're going to try and
>>invoke quantum mechanics.
>
>Ugh. Not at all. This is Strawman. You would need to study
>theology and history in great depth in order to grasp the
>level of detail and knowledge the ancients had. None of them
>believed the stars were gods. Gods were allegorical symbols
>for the super physical forces of nature. That is why you had a
>god of summer, spring, winter, water, death, etc. You are
>completely misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to
>attack, based on completely personal and anecdotal assumptions
>which have no ground in the actual data.
>
>>
>>>
>>>- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is
>>>also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark,
>>Friendly
>>>& Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.
>>
>>Binary choices are easy to deal with. Our brain likes to be
>>reductive in order to increase efficiency and Yes/No 0/1
>>Good/Bad choices are the easiest to make. Most things have a
>>conceivable opposite and the diametrically opposed nature of
>>them makes deciding much easier than picking our favourite
>>shade of grey.
>>
>
>So you are an expert on how our brain works? Also, my point is
>that our thinking is based on dualism. Why it happens
>neurologically is not what I am investing, I am trying to
>figure out why we limit ourselves to two choices.
>
>>There's plenty of non binary choices in human life though.
>>Cherry picking the binary ones isn't really terribly fair.
>Are
>>the most important jobs we do every day binary? Choosing
>>something to eat from a planet full of choice? Picking a
>mate
>>from 3.5Bn candidates? Choosing an occupation? A favourite
>>subject? A forum to post your musings to? Favourite colour?
>>Your name?
>
>The most profound theories/ideas/realities which govern our
>lives are built only on pairs.
>
>Life/Death
>Freedom/Not Freedom
>War/Peace
>Expansion/Contraction (Big Bang model: Universe Expands,
>Gravity Contracts)
>etc etc.
>
>
>>
>>We're not; it's just a particularly common form of thinking.
>
>>
>
>We are. You are breathing in, and breathing out. You are
>considering right and wrong choices, you are considering
>existence and non existence, you are awake, or asleep. All
>sets of two!
>
>
>>
>>>If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles,
>>>contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain
>>>cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in
>>>the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding,
>and
>>>gravity is contracting. = Dualism.
>>
>>No. We found those rules by devising experiments and looking
>>at the results. We know the Universe is expanding because of
>>Red Shift... it's not something we dreamed up, it's
>something
>>we found out. The same cannot be said of your "ancient
>>mystics".
>>
>
>Once again, the big bang theory was predicted, not found. We
>have been seeking to prove it ever since, without much
>conclusive result.
>
>
>>>- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love &
>>>Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you
>will
>>>find a relationship governed with a pair.
>>
>>Especially if you are only looking for things that fit this
>>mould. Life and Death is easy. How about "Health"? There's
>not
>>just "Healthy" and "Unhealthy" is there? It's an almost
>>infinitely complex scale for anyone, isn't it? Lots of our
>>qualities are like that.
>
>Healthy vs. Unhealthy exists.
>
>Either you are healthy or you are not. Simple.
>