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So, I had a bit of an existential mind riot this weekend. It dawned on me that most things that matter only come in two's. I've never really noticed that before. Let me illustrate what I mean. I can't possibly list them all.

Human abstractions and profundities:

Life & Death
Good & Bad
War & Peace
Rich & Poor
Materialist & Spiritualist
Atheist & Non Atheist

Physical:

Two eyes, two ears, two hands, two legs, two nostrils, two lips, two lungs, two testicles, two kidneys, two lungs.
Male & Female

Scientific:

Binary code (On and Off - Foundation for computing.)
Wave's (Crest and Trough)
Two poles, two halves (Equator)
DNA (Double Helix)
Quantum theory (Atoms vanish and reappear.)

I could go on but I will stop there.

Why does our universe have so many profound instances of two's, or dualism? If you analyse every instance, the two halves, or two parts always compose a single unity or concept that cannot exist with only 1 part. You cannot have war without peace, life without death, existence without non existence.

I know that there are many examples where there are more than 2 parts, however, my point is that the most profound, and life affecting concepts or abstractions, only come in two.

WHY?!!

Is it possible that we live in a parallel universe model? and that our universe is interacting with one other universe?

Is it possible one of these universe is female and another is male? Is possible that life could only occur when our universe collided with the other?

Could the dualism of Life and Death, the Double Helix, Light & Darkness, Existence and Non Existence be reflected and rooted in two universes which are colliding? Is it possible that dark matter and dark energy is the impact of the second universe which is directly on top of ours? is it possible that all unexplained phenomenon is the interplay between these two universes?

Is it possible that the reason our most profound realities come in two is simply because there are two roots for everything?

it's an evolutionary throwback.
humans that took too much time figuring out
exactly how many sabertooths were attacking them got eaten by sabertooths.

humans don't examine things closely.
they group the ideas into chunks that are easy to remember.



that why we group things together in twos (or threes).
day and night
made good metaphors for good and evil,
Life and death, etc.
so that worked its way into our mythology.


humans also tend to cling to patterns,
so we tend to read more significance into these paterns than necessary.

the reoccurring theme of the number 2 is not a glimpse
into an unseen universe... it's an example of your
human brain trying to read order into a mostly chaotic universe
and focusing on the number 2 because it's round and easy to remember.

ppl also do this with the number 3, 5, and 7, and occasionally 12 or 13,
which is coincidentally about the same number of things the human brain
can comfortably keep track of at the same time.
(humans can remember 5 plus or minus 3 things in short or long term memory. that's why phone numbers are broken into 3 and 4 digit chunks
to help us remember a 10 digit number.)

which is what I suspect you are doing right now.
I can recognize it because I used to do the same thing.




btw, birth is opposite of death.
life has no opposite.

I am not separate to the universe, nor is my brain.

There are also only two sexes. Some animals possess the power of both, but there is only two. We cannot even conceive of a sex that does not fit into the Male & Female duality.

>it's an evolutionary throwback.

It's not *just* that.

>
>that why we group things together in twos (or threes).

You will find profound realities, which exist here, outside of our "human" understanding in two's, not three's. However, we are still from this universe, so the fact that our brain see's so many dual relationships is a completely natural, and organic observation. Our DNA is a double helix, electrons have positive and negative charges, most of our organs and senses which allow life to procreate only come in two as well. These things exist beyond "human" definition or pattern recognition, or pattern invention. How many arms do you have? How many legs? how many eyes? Just think about it. These are innate realities.


>Life and death, etc.

Life and death is not a human invention or metaphor. It is a reality.


>which is what I suspect you are doing right now.
>I can recognize it because I used to do the same thing.
>

You are not seeing my point yet, but you will. The question I am asking is: "Why is dualism the underlying foundation for our experience of living and dying and everything that we understand or observe about the universe?"

>I am not separate to the universe, nor is my brain.
>

great. neither is mine.
where does that get us?

that we are all connected and I am a part of you
and we are only seperated by illusionary social constructs?
fine. but you still can't move my arm... or read my thoughts,
so for all intents and purposes, we are seperate.

your brain is not a magical portal
that holds all the secrets to the universe.
not really.

you won't find your answers this way.
you will go on and on in meaningless circles.




>There are also only two sexes. Some animals possess the power
>of both, but there is only two. We cannot even conceive of a
>sex that does not fit into the Male & Female duality.
>

You're still stuck on the idea that there are 2 biological human sexes,
but there are more than 2 genders. the world is bigger than your brain.
in fact, our society pushes against the idea of multiple genders
because their human brain keeps trying to cram everything
into neat, bianary systems.

which is another reason this mystical shit played out for me.
it's just another box and the world doesn't fit neatly in it.


>>it's an evolutionary throwback.
>
>It's not *just* that.
>
>>
>>that why we group things together in twos (or threes).
>
>You will find profound realities, which exist here, outside of
>our "human" understanding in two's, not three's. However, we
>are still from this universe, so the fact that our brain see's
>so many dual relationships is a completely natural, and
>organic observation. Our DNA is a double helix, electrons have
>positive and negative charges, most of our organs and senses
>which allow life to procreate only come in two as well. These
>things exist beyond "human" definition or pattern recognition,
>or pattern invention. How many arms do you have? How many
>legs? how many eyes? Just think about it. These are innate
>realities.
>
>
>>Life and death, etc.
>
>Life and death is not a human invention or metaphor. It is a
>reality.
>
>
>>which is what I suspect you are doing right now.
>>I can recognize it because I used to do the same thing.
>>
>
>You are not seeing my point yet, but you will. The question I
>am asking is: "Why is dualism the underlying foundation for
>our experience of living and dying and everything that we
>understand or observe about the universe?"
>
>



I see your point perfectly fine.
I answered it years ago.

You ASSUME dualism is the underlying foundation for your experience
of living and dying because your brain fixates on things in pairs.

there's nothing more to it than that.

you will not stumble upon the universal theory of relativity
if you keep looking for these round numbers.

chaos theory already proved
that the universe doesn't care about round numbers as much as humans do.


this post would be better if you shifted your fixation
to the occurrance of irrational numbers in some of our models for the universe.

that's more interesting than this pseudoscience
from the overly romanticized mystery schools of
greece/ egypt.

>>I am not separate to the universe, nor is my brain.
>>
>
>great. neither is mine.
>where does that get us?
>

It asserts the reality that we are not separate to this universe. Most people whom enter this conversation will say something like: "That is a *human* idea." You have to remind them, that to be human, is to be this universe.

>that we are all connected and I am a part of you
>and we are only seperated by illusionary social constructs?
>fine. but you still can't move my arm... or read my thoughts,
>so for all intents and purposes, we are seperate.

You are off topic.

>
>your brain is not a magical portal
>that holds all the secrets to the universe.
>not really.
>

This is your own personal contention and has no ground in reality or truth.

>you won't find your answers this way.
>you will go on and on in meaningless circles.
>
>

Maybe you will, but you should not impose your perception on to the universe.


>You're still stuck on the idea that there are 2 biological
>human sexes,
>but there are more than 2 genders. the world is bigger than
>your brain.

There are only 2 physical sexes.

>in fact, our society pushes against the idea of multiple
>genders
>because their human brain keeps trying to cram everything
>into neat, bianary systems.
>

Male & Female. Count them, let me know what number you arrive at.

>which is another reason this mystical shit played out for me.
>

You are not seeking to understand, you are seeking to prove me wrong, which is ironic, because you do not understand what I am trying to say yet.

>
>I see your point perfectly fine.
>I answered it years ago.
>

You answered nothing.

>You ASSUME dualism is the underlying foundation for your
>experience
>of living and dying because your brain fixates on things in
>pairs.
>
>there's nothing more to it than that.
>

Incorrect.

>you will not stumble upon the universal theory of relativity
>if you keep looking for these round numbers.
>
>chaos theory already proved
>that the universe doesn't care about round numbers as much as
>humans do.
>
>
>this post would be better if you shifted your fixation
>to the occurrance of irrational numbers in some of our models
>for the universe.
>
>that's more interesting than this pseudoscience
>from the overly romanticized mystery schools of
>greece/ egypt.


Feel free to make your own post about that if you wish.

> electrons have positive and negative charges


It's apparent you failed all manner of science and physics in high school and college (if you even went).

An electron has a charge of -1.
A POSITRON has a charge of +1. It is the antimatter equivalent of an electron.

and electron will never have a +1 charge, always -1.

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Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

you feel the need to condescend.

I will ignore you from now on. :)

>you feel the need to condescend.
>
>I will ignore you from now on. :)

Dude comes off as very "I know something you don't know"-ish in pretty much every post I've ever seen. Like... "I'm enlightened and you all are unwashed plebeians."


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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

This person also comes off as first year in college smoking weed in the basement of the residence hall and philosophizing until 3 am because no one has Friday classes.

coming in here like Oswald Bates from In Living Color

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HebReKH82kE


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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

ctrl-alt-delete yourself for not being to take a lil humor.


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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

and you again want to throw a passive-aggressive tantrum because another person has shown you how NOT deep you are

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Yin_yang.svg/1024px-Yin_yang.svg.png

To give life, two sexes have to come together.
We cannot experience reality without life and death.
There cannot experience without existence and non existence.

There are so many profound examples which point to a strict duality. Why the two?!

Zen Buddhism states that there is no separation or difference in duality. That everything we see as dual is one energy, simply because you cannot have the foreground without the background. We even have two hemispheres in our brain which we produce one stream of consciousness with.

it's romantic to think about the light side and good side of the force.
you can pull some interesting philosophical concepts from the model.

but it's just a model, and it's not that deep.

let it go.


>To give life, two sexes have to come together.
>We cannot experience reality without life and death.
>There cannot experience without existence and non existence.
>
>There are so many profound examples which point to a strict
>duality. Why the two?!
>
>Zen Buddhism states that there is no separation or difference
>in duality. That everything we see as dual is one energy,
>simply because you cannot have the foreground without the
>background. We even have two hemispheres in our brain which we
>produce one stream of consciousness with.

bc one hemisphere is tasked with verbalization

the thought is that it does the talking for what its desires are
and your other hemisphere is essentially a gagged prisoner

look up some of the research on folk with collapsed corpus callosum
where the hemispheres do not have to form a "mutual" decision and info can be shown to one hemisphere of the brain and hid from the other

We even have two hemispheres in our brain which we
>produce one stream of consciousness with.

really support this.

The Big Bang model suggests that our Universe is constantly EXPANDING, even though Gravity is CONTRACTING. They invented Dark energy and dark matter to support this theory.

Expansion Vs. Contraction in the universe. Two, duality!

How many profound instances of 2 can you find on your own body?

Our brain has two hemispheres. I did not invent the brain. I did not invent all the pairs which compose your body.

How about breathing, INHALE, EXHALE. Two. With two lungs!

How about seeing, two eyes (Light and Dark), hearing, two ears (Bass and Treble)

How bout concepts concerning our reality.

Conscious Vs. Subconscious. Two.

Waking Vs Sleeping. Two.

Something Vs. Nothing. (Find me a 3rd if you can.)

Life Vs. Death. (Find me a 3rd if you can.)

Existence Vs. Non Existence.(Find me a 3rd if you can.)

Male Vs. Female (Find me a 3rd if you can.)

Truly examine and think about it, you will find a resounding amount of TWO's, and only TWO's which are at the root of all our thinking.

The question is, WHY two?!

>The Big Bang model suggests that our Universe is constantly
>EXPANDING, even though Gravity is CONTRACTING. They invented
>Dark energy and dark matter to support this theory.

You really don't know how this works and I don't have the time or space to expound on this (get it??? No??? I thought not...)

>
>Expansion Vs. Contraction in the universe. Two, duality!
>
>How many profound instances of 2 can you find on your own
>body?
>
>Our brain has two hemispheres. I did not invent the brain. I
>did not invent all the pairs which compose your body.
>
>How about breathing, INHALE, EXHALE. Two. With two lungs!
>
>How about seeing, two eyes (Light and Dark), hearing, two ears
>(Bass and Treble)

bass and treble??? The average human ear can hear from 20Hz to 20KHz, some (like mine) can extend beyond this but for the most part this is it.

Within that span of frequencies lies bass, midbass, low/mid/high midrage, and low/mid/high "treble" if you want to call it that.
>
>How bout concepts concerning our reality.
>
>Conscious Vs. Subconscious. Two.

There is also Super conscious.

>
>Waking Vs Sleeping. Two.

There is a state between the two where you are partially awake and partially dreaming. Sleep paralysis falls into that area.

>
>Something Vs. Nothing. (Find me a 3rd if you can.)
>
>Life Vs. Death. (Find me a 3rd if you can.)

some would argue for a spiritual existence after death.
>
>Existence Vs. Non Existence.(Find me a 3rd if you can.)

>
>Male Vs. Female (Find me a 3rd if you can.)

There are organisms on this planet that reproduce asexually, thus rendering them neither male or female.


>Truly examine and think about it, you will find a resounding
>amount of TWO's, and only TWO's which are at the root of all
>our thinking.
>
>The question is, WHY two?!
>


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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

shroomed it up at a concert with a wicked bad light show.

there are things, and there is the absence of that thing


light and dark are not really a pair, dark is the absence of light
poor is the absence of wealth
cold is the absence of heat
stillness is the absence of movement
homeless is the absence of a home

that in itself doesnt lend to the idea that there should be 2 homes, or a pair of universes

>there are things, and there is the absence of that thing
>
>
>light and dark are not really a pair, dark is the absence of
>light

You cannot have dark on its own without light to illuminate that it was dark. You cannot have light without dark to illuminate that it is light.

>poor is the absence of wealth

Cannot have wealth without poverty to illuminate wealth.

>cold is the absence of heat

Cannot have heat without cold to identify what cold or heat is. They are tied together at the hip. They are the same thing!

>stillness is the absence of movement

You know what I'm going to say.

>homeless is the absence of a home
>
>that in itself doesnt lend to the idea that there should be 2
>homes, or a pair of universes
>

Think about it again. You cannot have the foreground without the background.

of course u can have cold without heat

and none of the binary situations exist at the same time

u are poor, or not poor


so still doesnt make the argument here for 2 simultaneous universe

>of course u can have cold without heat
>

How would you understand what cold is without heat? How would you measure cold if there was no heat? How would you account for its state of being if it had no background to measure against? If there was no heat, and there was only cold, it would not be called cold anymore.

The temperature is either High or Sub Zero (Duality.)

>and none of the binary situations exist at the same time

Binary, 1 and 0, On and Off. The computer I am using right now is going ON and OFF quadrillion times per second as I type these words. The coming together of these two things at the same time creates something, an experience, a reality, a machine, etc.

Your heart expands and contracts. Duality. On and Off.

>
>so still doesnt make the argument here for 2 simultaneous
>universe

I am just musing, I am not suggesting it is so as fact.

I didnt think twice about it til I had kids, but now I get these times -- I dont know if I consider them anxiety attacks, where I start thinking about how life is finite and every second I'm getting closer to it.


I wanna be around for as much of my kids' shit as I can....

Also not sure how much sense this makes (it makes sense in my head)
But then I also love living and being me -- if that makes any sense. I love my consciousness and the way I navigate this world. Like damn, is that shit just gonna stop one day? Then what?

This is my one life its amazing that Im here, but its gonna stop one day.

Then I get sad.

good form debunking this pseudo-epiphany that most children have learned to resist the urge to give too much credence to

with shrooms?

That is such a narrow and unfounded point of view. You made no effort to seek understanding at all.

>

No hard feelings, but, many of you are so eager to attack, put down, condescend, "snark", etc. before you make a single effort to understand. I don't think I have ever come across such a potent level of closed mindedness before, and such a deep desire to protect the status quo. Do any of you listen to any of the OkayArtists? how did you end up here? LOL.

This forum has a knee jerk "I'm going to put this person down before I try to understand them" complex. Why does this community breed so much anger and hatred? What is to be gained?

Be wary of what type of personality and person you allow yourself to be. If you find yourself putting down everyone for ideas that are unconventional, you should probably take some time to reflect. What will you say to your children in the future when they have questions?

Are you going to snark them too because they haven't indoctrinated themselves with the status quo that you find comfortable yet?

This place lacks heart and love, exploration, and curiosity. Take care y'all. Wishing everyone of you love and happiness. :)

it always stop short somewhere.

you're way focused on the 'two!', but that's not really what's going on.

male + female is astonishing.

yes, two hands, two feet, two eyes.

but that's all contextual.

if the animals isn't bipedal, there are way more feet.

some animals have way more than two eyes.

what about one head?

what about one sun.

five fingers.

five toes.

yeah. the pair thing is interesting but it stops very short, very soon.

you acting like you discovered some brand new prime number or some shit.

i think the golden mean e is more interesting to ponder.

but that goes far beyond the number two.

…then proceeded to post about how everything comes in twos.

Two hands! Two feet! Two brains! Binary Code! Double Helix(double=two!)! War/Peace! Good/Bad! YIN AND YANG!!

Which, ok, I mean… alright. Hey, let’s see where he ‘s going with it…

… and then you posit an entirely baseless question: “Is it possible that we live in a parallel universe model? and that our universe is interacting with one other universe?”

It’s the sort of pondering that sounds incredibly deep and provocative when you’re 13 years old, but laughably shallow and simple-minded to most people no later than age 17.

But again… let’s see where you go with it. Turns out, not very far.

Well, yeah, sure. It’s possible. I guess it’s also possible that we’re all in a massive shared dream and don’t actually exist. We can ask a gazillion open-ended questions about things that are “possible” and never be wrong because there’s no definitive, concrete proof that it’s wrong. In this case, there’s no definitive, concrete wrong answer to your question but that doesn’t make it any less absurd. There’s nothing about so-called “duality” that even remotely suggests a parallel universe model. While string theory presents interesting notions of multiple universes, your “eureka!!” moment regarding “duality”presents absolutely zero basis for your question. It just comes across like you’re a 14 year old stoner who just got a better grade bag than usual.

So yeah, if you think this was some sort of groundbreaking, earth shattering, perspective altering ‘mind fuck’? Then yeah, this is the wrong place for you. Fortunately for you, Myspace has made a comeback and youtube is still going strong.

don't take it so seriously and also consider the fact that what you're saying may no be as profound as you think.

For real it does read like someone's first peyote experience at Burning Man. Maybe the universe brought you here to help you not take yourself so seriously. Did you ever think of that?

And if you're catching feelings from a forum I feel bad for you son

You displayed hubris by assuming that your ideas were profound and ground breaking when they lack both.

Try again

.

y'all cold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvmvxAcT_Yc

.

and here we are crucifying the man for bringing
the same ancient wisom that we rejected years ago.

you all can't see the connections.

jesus trained at the same mystery schools as plato,
who got ancient wisdom from kemet,
and they spoke of the inner wisdom of the duality that surrounds us.

the fact that this BLACK message board can't see that is amazing.
but not surprising.

this is why our ppl fail.


smh.

Plato, Socrates, and their ilk had African ghostwriters.

True some of what he's saying is old, and I really doubt any of it is foreign to the averag OKP, but it's the manner that he's going about "spreading" it that's irritating the shit out of everyone.

(dammit... I can't spell for shit today...)

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Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

I'll stop.

and ruined it

LOL

I had next to no sense of humor earlier.


... Still don't, but it's bedtime soon.
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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

I didn't know that.

which is how he arrives at this juvenile description.


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Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

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"At the quantum scale, space is a writhing, frantic, ever-changing foam, with particles popping into existence and disappearing in the wink of an eye. This is not just a theoretical idea—it's confirmed. How can this bizarre idea be true?"

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive/archive_2013/today13-02-01_NutshellReadmore.html

I have heard this mentioned countless times in scientific documentaries.

Quantum computing is built on this idea, where an atom can be at two places at once and thus produce a more powerful computing machine.

In principle it can happen with entire atoms, but the probability is minuscule, compared to more basic particles.

The bigger problem is that you know nothing of what this all means. Quantum computing has nothing to do with pair production and annihilation. You seem to be mixing it up with entanglement, an entirely different effect from an entirely different field of physics.

>
>In principle it can happen with entire atoms, but the
>probability is minuscule, compared to more basic particles.
>
>The bigger problem is that you know nothing of what this all
>means. Quantum computing has nothing to do with pair
>production and annihilation. You seem to be mixing it up with
>entanglement, an entirely different effect from an entirely
>different field of physics.
>

If you have some time, I'd love to hear you elaborate on quantum computing more.

By it's very definition, the bigger and hotter an object gets, the less improbable its position. Once you get past quantum particles into atoms, the probabilities of them seemingly "appearing from nowhere" becomes absolutely miniscule.

Atoms were fused from quantum particles (in turn created from raw energy) in the conditions following the Big Bang; they do not randomly pop into existence.

Energy, sure. Sub-atomic particles, likely. Atoms? You're stretching it A LOT.

Try not to collapse every idea into every other one. Quantum Mechanics is amazing, but most Quantum Physicists spend their lives starting sentences "Nice thought, but it's not quite that simple..."

>At the quantum scale, space is a writhing, frantic,
>ever-changing foam, with particles popping into existence and
>disappearing in the wink of an eye. This is not just a
>theoretical idea—it's confirmed. How can this bizarre idea
>be true?"
>
>http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive/archive_2013/today13-02-01_NutshellReadmore.html
>
>I have heard this mentioned countless times in scientific
>documentaries.
>
>Quantum computing is built on this idea, where an atom can be
>at two places at once and thus produce a more powerful
>computing machine.

Well maybe if he wasn't a douche that would help but he is attempting to post about something other than the usual suspects.

but after making a number of threads with undercooked ideas, you would think the OP would figure out how to post.


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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

You lead off with that condescending bullshit, talking like you’re on some higher plain of understanding/knowledge/what have you, you’re going to get shit for it.

and cringe-worthy at worst.


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forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

Lower evolutionary life is symmetrical radially, like a starfish

But when an organism moves in one direction relative to its body ie forward, sensory organs need to be on the end that encounters the environment first, and the structures that allow for locomotion need to be balanced on both sides of the sagittal plane. Basically you have 2 legs so that you dont walk in circles.

2 eyes are necessary for stereoscopic vision, and 2 ears are necessary for balanced audio levels in the brain.

"Atheism will be the next world religion. And the internet is its bible."

they ask kids at a festival about made up bands. Pure bullshitting nonsense from most of this posts participants lol

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Opposites come in pairs. That's how they work.

>Life & Death
>Good & Bad
>War & Peace
>Rich & Poor
>Materialist & Spiritualist
>Atheist & Non Atheist

Nothing that is deemed as an opposite can exist independently of the other.

>Opposites come in pairs. That's how they work.
>
>>Life & Death

The relationship between life and death is inseparable. You cannot have Life without Death, and you cannot have Death without Life. They are the same process expressing itself differently. *They cannot exist independently to one another.

>>Good & Bad
>>War & Peace
>>Rich & Poor
>>Materialist & Spiritualist
>>Atheist & Non Atheist
>

In every case, 1 is dependent on the other to exist, so how can they be opposites?

>Nothing that is deemed as an opposite can exist independently
>of the other.

This is just a failure to understand what an opposite is, surely? The same being can't be both alive and dead, *obviously*, but clearly both states exist in the world. There are living people and corpses. And their bodies are in exactly opposite states from each other.

Clearly white (and I'm talking colours, not skin tones!) is opposite to black. One has all the colour. One has none of the colour. They're opposites. Obviously. Black's not very common, but it exists. White exists all over the place.

Is Yes not the opposite of No? Seriously, what's hard to understand about opposites? I'm obviously missing something.

>>Opposites come in pairs. That's how they work.
>>
>>>Life & Death
>
>The relationship between life and death is inseparable. You
>cannot have Life without Death, and you cannot have Death
>without Life.

Tell that to an immortal jellyfish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii

>>Nothing that is deemed as an opposite can exist
>independently
>>of the other.
>
>This is just a failure to understand what an opposite is. The
>same being can't be both alive and dead, *obviously*, but
>clearly both states exist in the world. There are living
>people and corpses. And their bodies are in exactly opposite
>states from each other.
>

Death cannot exist independently on it's own. Life cannot exist independently on it's own. The presence of life points to the absence of it. They are in a relationship that cannot be separated into two parts. You cannot have the foreground without the background. Pointing to a corpse and pointing to a living body is identifying the same process at varied states of itself.

We would be unable to identify anything as dead if there was no life to contrast it.

>>>Opposites come in pairs. That's how they work.
>>>
>>>>Life & Death
>>
>>The relationship between life and death is inseparable. You
>>cannot have Life without Death, and you cannot have Death
>>without Life.
>
>Tell that to an immortal jellyfish.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii
>


"Biological immortality refers to a stable or decreasing rate of mortality from cellular senescence as a function of chronological age. Various unicellular and multicellular species may achieve this state either throughout their existence or after living long enough. A biologically immortal living being can still die from means other than senescence, such as through injury or disease."

>Death cannot exist independently on it's own.

OK.

>Life cannot exist independently on it's own. The presence of life >points to the absence of it.

As the jellyfish shows, if you can continually renew yourself this needn't be the case, but I wasn't being terribly serious with that. Obviously the jellyfish can still be killed.

>They are in a relationship that cannot
>be separated into two parts. You cannot have the foreground
>without the background. Pointing to a corpse and pointing to a
>living body is identifying the same process at varied states
>of itself.

You're correct that an "opposite" situation can't exist without two counterparts. "Opposite" by definition requires two values at either end of a scale.

>
>We would be unable to identify anything as dead if there was
>no life to contrast it.

Obviously.

Again, opposites are opposites. They can't exist without each other. It doesn't stop them being opposites. You're intentionally misconstruing a very simple concept to try and make yourself feel like you've made a discovery.


>"Biological immortality refers to a stable or decreasing rate
>of mortality from cellular senescence as a function of
>chronological age. Various unicellular and multicellular
>species may achieve this state either throughout their
>existence or after living long enough. A biologically immortal
>living being can still die from means other than senescence,
>such as through injury or disease."
>

Invoking the jellyfish was just me having a joke, you don't need to get too hung up on those bits, son.

I think your main problem is in separating individual units with the overall. If you look at the whole universe then obviously life and death both exist because my state of being has no impact on yours. If you look at an *individual*, the only measure of life that matters, obviously only one state can exist at a time.

Because they're opposites.

>>They are in a relationship that cannot
>>be separated into two parts. You cannot have the foreground
>>without the background. Pointing to a corpse and pointing to
>a
>>living body is identifying the same process at varied states
>>of itself.
>
>You're correct that an "opposite" situation can't exist
>without two counterparts. "Opposite" by definition requires
>two values at either end of a scale.
>

Stick with this thought. You said "at two ends of a scale".

The point I am making is that there is only one state, one "Scale" and we observe varying states of it, but ultimately, it is the same and one thing, that is inseparable.

>
>Again, opposites are opposites. They can't exist without each
>other. It doesn't stop them being opposites. You're
>intentionally misconstruing a very simple concept to try and
>make yourself feel like you've made a discovery.

Ugh. Please stop with the psycho analysis. I have spared you from that torment and I treat you with a level of respect not to do that. If I did that, I could insult you as well. It's a primitive form of communication, I will not lower myself to that level.

I am interested in ideas and exploring them. I have no personal interest in exercising the ego. I had a thought which I think is interesting and I wanted to share out of sheer excitement. The fact that out think I did it in order to support a discovery is more telling of how you view yourself and the world, not me.

Look how much time we are wasting just working through the ego. Let's stick with the ideas and leave the personal stuff out of it please. If you are incapable of that, I can simply ignore you because I will not engage in primitive forms of communication.


>
>Invoking the jellyfish was just me having a joke, you don't
>need to get too hung up on those bits, son.
>

I am not your son. :)

>I think your main problem is in separating individual units
>with the overall. If you look at the whole universe then
>obviously life and death both exist because my state of being
>has no impact on yours. If you look at an *individual*, the
>only measure of life that matters, obviously only one state
>can exist at a time.
>
>Because they're opposites.

I don't have a problem. I am communicating an idea to expand my horizons. Personally, I do not see opposites, it's fine with me that you do. All I wanted to illustrate is that it's the same thing expressing itself at various states of itself.

>Stick with this thought. You said "at two ends of a scale".
>
>The point I am making is that there is only one state, one
>"Scale" and we observe varying states of it, but ultimately,
>it is the same and one thing, that is inseparable.
>

A scale isn't a state. It's a scale. A state isn't a scale. It's a state. One is a value, one is a range.

A scale is a hypothetical construct containing all possible values of a property. A state is the value that an *individual* takes on that scale.

They aren't one and the same thing any more than a touchdown and a football pitch are the same or water's boiling point and a thermometer are the same.

You put Life an Death on the same "scale". You can define "scale" in any way you like. The point is Life & Death are one and the same thing at various states, just like being asleep or awake. You as a human being are capable of being awake, and asleep and you are one and the same thing expressing varied states of the same thing.

At exactly opposite ends of it... making them.... wait for it.... opposites.

>You put Life an Death on the same "scale"

I don't have to put them there, but ok.


> You can define
>"scale" in any way you like.

I'm trying to stick to the standard "English" definition. If we both try and speak the same language, it makes conversation a lot more efficient.

"A graduated range of values forming a standard system for measuring or grading something."

>The point is Life & Death are one
>and the same thing at various states, just like being asleep
>or awake. You as a human being are capable of being awake, and
>asleep and you are one and the same thing expressing varied
>states of the same thing.
>

Well, yes, again, obviously I can be alive or dead or awake or asleep, but I can't be alive and dead or awake and asleep. Because they're opposites. The coin in my pocket has a head side and a tails side, but if I flip it, it can only be one of them.

You still haven't fucked anyone's mind but your own, I'm afraid.

>
>Well, yes, again, obviously I can be alive or dead or awake or
>asleep, but I can't be alive and dead or awake and asleep.
>Because they're opposites. The coin in my pocket has a head
>side and a tails side, but if I flip it, it can only be one of
>them.

It's just 1 coin.

Can you try and explain your "point" in different words? I couldn't find one in the words you wrote.

Once again, I don't engage in ego, so I just want to make sure you are being sincere.

You've written a lot of words, but you haven't really said... anything... why is this a mindfuck for you?

>You've written a lot of words, but you haven't really said...
>anything... why is this a mindfuck for you?

- The Human biology is oddly governed by pairs and sets of two. As I already stated, we have 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, etc.
- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and Off. Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale. All muscles contract, and expand.

There is an ancient philosophical axiom which states: "As above, so below." and it simply means that the universe as observed in the heavens, is identical as the universe that we experience and interact with on a daily basis, more specifically, the human body.

Ancient mystics believed that the human body is representative of the universe and it's patterns.

- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark, Friendly & Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.

- ***What I am curious about is why we are governed by dualism in our thinking.***

- Do our ideas reflect the dualism we have in our biology and are they a direct result of it? In other words, does our biology produce our dual thinking?

If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles, contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding, and gravity is contracting. = Dualism.

- Or does it mean that the universe itself is governed by dualism?

- I want to try and understand why we see so many examples of dualism, and why our thinking is governed by it.

- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love & Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you will find a relationship governed with a pair.

- Think about all computing. It is also based on an On and Off paradigm: Binary code.

- Our traffic is based on "Stop and Go".

- I want to understand why as I find it incredibly telling.

>>You've written a lot of words, but you haven't really
>said...
>>anything... why is this a mindfuck for you?
>
>- The Human biology is oddly governed by pairs and sets of
>two. As I already stated, we have 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands,
>etc.

1 brain
1 heart
1 liver
1 spleen
1 pancreas
1 penis
1 vagina
1 mouth
1 tongue
1 small intestine
1 large intestine
1 stomach
1 colon
1 pharynx
1 esophagus

Shall I continue or are we just ignoring all the ridiculously important stuff that comes in 1s or other numbers? Just blinkering ourselves to the twos?

>- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and Off.
>Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale. All
>muscles contract, and expand.

How else could either of those systems work then? Apply Occam's Razor. How else can you get the oxygen from air and lose the carbon dioxide without putting it somewhere, processing it and then spitting out the waste?

We breathe in and out because that's the only way breathing makes sense. If we didn't breathe in we couldn't strip the air of its oxygen. If we didn't breathe out, we'd explode after a few minutes. It's obvious, isn't it?

>
>There is an ancient philosophical axiom which states: "As
>above, so below." and it simply means that the universe as
>observed in the heavens, is identical as the universe that we
>experience and interact with on a daily basis, more
>specifically, the human body.
>
>Ancient mystics believed that the human body is representative
>of the universe and it's patterns.

Ancient mystics believed the world was flat and the stars were gods too. Ancient mystics aren't often the best people to consult in 2015, especially when you're going to try and invoke quantum mechanics.

>
>- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is
>also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark, Friendly
>& Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.

Binary choices are easy to deal with. Our brain likes to be reductive in order to increase efficiency and Yes/No 0/1 Good/Bad choices are the easiest to make. Most things have a conceivable opposite and the diametrically opposed nature of them makes deciding much easier than picking our favourite shade of grey.

There's plenty of non binary choices in human life though. Cherry picking the binary ones isn't really terribly fair. Are the most important jobs we do every day binary? Choosing something to eat from a planet full of choice? Picking a mate from 3.5Bn candidates? Choosing an occupation? A favourite subject? A forum to post your musings to? Favourite colour? Your name?


>- ***What I am curious about is why we are governed by dualism
>in our thinking.***

We're not; it's just a particularly common form of thinking.


>
>- Do our ideas reflect the dualism we have in our biology and
>are they a direct result of it? In other words, does our
>biology produce our dual thinking?

A little bit. Our brains are highly evolved to provide us with the simplest view of the world so that we can process such huge amounts of sensory data in such short times. Reducing our choices in some areas to the minimum (you can't have less than two choices) on the more "black and white" issues allows us to spend more time on the choices that exist on "greyer" scales.


>If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles,
>contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain
>cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in
>the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding, and
>gravity is contracting. = Dualism.

No. We found those rules by devising experiments and looking at the results. We know the Universe is expanding because of Red Shift... it's not something we dreamed up, it's something we found out. The same cannot be said of your "ancient mystics".


>
>- Or does it mean that the universe itself is governed by
>dualism?

No. In fact, one of the most basic properties of elemental particles (of which something like 17 types exist), their "spin" is anything but binary.


>
>- I want to try and understand why we see so many examples of
>dualism, and why our thinking is governed by it.

It's not, but it can be if you blinker yourself to only thinking about binary choices.

>
>- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love &
>Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you will
>find a relationship governed with a pair.

Especially if you are only looking for things that fit this mould. Life and Death is easy. How about "Health"? There's not just "Healthy" and "Unhealthy" is there? It's an almost infinitely complex scale for anyone, isn't it? Lots of our qualities are like that.

There are many pairs on the human body, I did not say it was the only thing on the human body, however, you will still find sets of 2 within those organs. I'll list a few instances where this is the case.

>1 brain

-The brains of all species are composed primarily of two broad classes of cells: neurons and glial cells.

-The two neurotransmitters that are used most widely in the vertebrate brain are glutamate, which almost always exerts excitatory effects on target neurons, and gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), which is almost always inhibitory.

-There are two types of sleep: REM sleep (with dreaming) and NREM (non-REM, usually without dreaming) sleep, which repeat in slightly varying patterns throughout a sleep episode.

-2 Hemispheres. Brains without 2 hemispheres have been found but they are extremely rare. The consensus is that we have 2.

>1 heart

-1 heart which contracts and expands. The way it works is completely governed by duality.

-The heart has four chambers, two upper atria, the receiving chambers, and two lower ventricle

-Between the left atrium and left ventricle is the mitral valve, also known as the bicuspid valve due to its having two cusps, an anterior and a posterior medial cusp. These cusps are also attached via chordae tendinae to two papillary muscles projecting from the ventricular wall.



>1 liver

-Gross anatomy traditionally divided the liver into two – a right and a left lobe, as viewed from the front (diaphragmatic) surface; but the underside (the visceral surface) shows it to be divided into four lobes and includes the caudate and quadrate lobes.

-Other anatomical landmarks exist, such as the ligamentum venosum and the round ligament of the liver (ligamentum teres) that further divide the left side of the liver in two sections.


>1 pancreas

-The pancreas is a secretory structure with a internal hormonal role (endocrine) and an external digestive role (exocrine). It has two main ducts, the main pancreatic duct, and the accessory pancreatic duct.

>1 penis

-2 testicles. Source of life.


I'll stop here. As you can see, there are many pairs embedded into the anatomy. You can go on and research them yourself. It all depends on how you choose to look at it. You can take it at surface level and all it just a "liver", but on deeper inspection, there are actually 2 lobes, etc.

>
>Shall I continue or are we just ignoring all the ridiculously
>important stuff that comes in 1s or other numbers? Just
>blinkering ourselves to the twos?

I think you should look at those organs in more detail and also look into fractals.

>
>>- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and Off.
>>Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale.
>All
>>muscles contract, and expand.
>
>How else could either of those systems work then? Apply
>Occam's Razor. How else can you get the oxygen from air and
>lose the carbon dioxide without putting it somewhere,
>processing it and then spitting out the waste?
>
>We breathe in and out because that's the only way breathing
>makes sense. If we didn't breathe in we couldn't strip the air
>of its oxygen. If we didn't breathe out, we'd explode after a
>few minutes. It's obvious, isn't it?

There are other ways to breathe. Certain organisms do not need a mouth or lungs to breathe. There are also 2 lungs in the human body which do the breathing.

The point I am trying to illustrate is, that pairs come up a lot in the human anatomy, and this is reflected in our thinking as well.




>Ancient mystics believed the world was flat and the stars were
>gods too. Ancient mystics aren't often the best people to
>consult in 2015, especially when you're going to try and
>invoke quantum mechanics.

Ugh. Not at all. This is Strawman. You would need to study theology and history in great depth in order to grasp the level of detail and knowledge the ancients had. None of them believed the stars were gods. Gods were allegorical symbols for the super physical forces of nature. That is why you had a god of summer, spring, winter, water, death, etc. You are completely misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to attack, based on completely personal and anecdotal assumptions which have no ground in the actual data.

>
>>
>>- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is
>>also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark,
>Friendly
>>& Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.
>
>Binary choices are easy to deal with. Our brain likes to be
>reductive in order to increase efficiency and Yes/No 0/1
>Good/Bad choices are the easiest to make. Most things have a
>conceivable opposite and the diametrically opposed nature of
>them makes deciding much easier than picking our favourite
>shade of grey.
>

So you are an expert on how our brain works? Also, my point is that our thinking is based on dualism. Why it happens neurologically is not what I am investing, I am trying to figure out why we limit ourselves to two choices.

>There's plenty of non binary choices in human life though.
>Cherry picking the binary ones isn't really terribly fair. Are
>the most important jobs we do every day binary? Choosing
>something to eat from a planet full of choice? Picking a mate
>from 3.5Bn candidates? Choosing an occupation? A favourite
>subject? A forum to post your musings to? Favourite colour?
>Your name?

The most profound theories/ideas/realities which govern our lives are built only on pairs.

Life/Death
Freedom/Not Freedom
War/Peace
Expansion/Contraction (Big Bang model: Universe Expands, Gravity Contracts)
etc etc.


>
>We're not; it's just a particularly common form of thinking.
>

We are. You are breathing in, and breathing out. You are considering right and wrong choices, you are considering existence and non existence, you are awake, or asleep. All sets of two!


>
>>If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles,
>>contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain
>>cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in
>>the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding, and
>>gravity is contracting. = Dualism.
>
>No. We found those rules by devising experiments and looking
>at the results. We know the Universe is expanding because of
>Red Shift... it's not something we dreamed up, it's something
>we found out. The same cannot be said of your "ancient
>mystics".
>

Once again, the big bang theory was predicted, not found. We have been seeking to prove it ever since, without much conclusive result.


>>- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love &
>>Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you will
>>find a relationship governed with a pair.
>
>Especially if you are only looking for things that fit this
>mould. Life and Death is easy. How about "Health"? There's not
>just "Healthy" and "Unhealthy" is there? It's an almost
>infinitely complex scale for anyone, isn't it? Lots of our
>qualities are like that.

Healthy vs. Unhealthy exists.

Either you are healthy or you are not. Simple. I forgot to add. Male & Female. Need I say more? How about X chromosomes, Y chromosomes.

2's, 2's everywhere! Dualism is real. Why.

Wildly out of context copy and pastes and nindlessness (healthy or Unhealthy = binary? REALLY? You want to stand by that?!) don't convey personal understanding... you've got so much out of context in that post I can't even decide where to star... if only you'd keep yourself to two idiotic ideas per post my dualist brain might be able to decide.

Out of interest, why are you discussing this on a hiphop forum and not a philosophy one? Having discussed life and existence at length with a father and brother with phds in the subject, a best friend with a PhD in physics and an ex-girlfriend with one in Neuroscience, I'd just love to see how THAT goes. Normally I'm the idiot in these situations, it's nice to be on the other side of the net occasionally, I suppose.

>There many pairs on the human body, I did not say it was
>the only thing on the human body, however, you will still find
>sets of 2 within those organs. I'll list a few instances where
>this is the case.
>
>>1 brain
>
>-The brains of all species are composed primarily of two broad
>classes of cells: neurons and glial cells

>
>-The two neurotransmitters that are used most widely in the
>vertebrate brain are glutamate, which almost always exerts
>excitatory effects on target neurons, and gamma-aminobutyric
>acid (GABA), which is almost always inhibitory.
>
>-There are two types of sleep: REM sleep (with dreaming) and
>NREM (non-REM, usually without dreaming) sleep, which repeat
>in slightly varying patterns throughout a sleep episode.
>
>-2 Hemispheres. Brains without 2 hemispheres have been found
>but they are extremely rare. The consensus is that we have 2.
>
>>1 heart
>
>-1 heart which contracts and expands. The way it works is
>completely governed by duality.
>
>-The heart has four chambers, two upper atria, the receiving
>chambers, and two lower ventricle
>
>-Between the left atrium and left ventricle is the mitral
>valve, also known as the bicuspid valve due to its having two
>cusps, an anterior and a posterior medial cusp. These cusps
>are also attached via chordae tendinae to two papillary
>muscles projecting from the ventricular wall.
>
>
>
>>1 liver
>
>-Gross anatomy traditionally divided the liver into two – a
>right and a left lobe, as viewed from the front
>(diaphragmatic) surface; but the underside (the visceral
>surface) shows it to be divided into four lobes and includes
>the caudate and quadrate lobes.
>
>-Other anatomical landmarks exist, such as the ligamentum
>venosum and the round ligament of the liver (ligamentum teres)
>that further divide the left side of the liver in two
>sections.
>
>
>>1 pancreas
>
>-The pancreas is a secretory structure with a internal
>hormonal role (endocrine) and an external digestive role
>(exocrine). It has two main ducts, the main pancreatic duct,
>and the accessory pancreatic duct.
>
>>1 penis
>
>-2 testicles. Source of life.
>
>
>I'll stop here. As you can see, there are many pairs embedded
>into the anatomy. You can go on and research them yourself. It
>all depends on how you choose to look at it. You can take it
>at surface level and all it just a "liver", but on deeper
>inspection, there are actually 2 lobes, etc.
>
>>
>>Shall I continue or are we just ignoring all the
>ridiculously
>>important stuff that comes in 1s or other numbers? Just
>>blinkering ourselves to the twos?
>
>I think you should look at those organs in more detail and
>also look into fractals.
>
>>
>>>- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and
>Off.
>>>Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale.
>>All
>>>muscles contract, and expand.
>>
>>How else could either of those systems work then? Apply
>>Occam's Razor. How else can you get the oxygen from air and
>>lose the carbon dioxide without putting it somewhere,
>>processing it and then spitting out the waste?
>>
>>We breathe in and out because that's the only way breathing
>>makes sense. If we didn't breathe in we couldn't strip the
>air
>>of its oxygen. If we didn't breathe out, we'd explode after
>a
>>few minutes. It's obvious, isn't it?
>
>There are other ways to breathe. Certain organisms do not need
>a mouth or lungs to breathe. There are also 2 lungs in the
>human body which do the breathing.
>
>The point I am trying to illustrate is, that pairs come up a
>lot in the human anatomy, and this is reflected in our
>thinking as well.
>
>
>
>
>>Ancient mystics believed the world was flat and the stars
>were
>>gods too. Ancient mystics aren't often the best people to
>>consult in 2015, especially when you're going to try and
>>invoke quantum mechanics.
>
>Ugh. Not at all. This is Strawman. You would need to study
>theology and history in great depth in order to grasp the
>level of detail and knowledge the ancients had. None of them
>believed the stars were gods. Gods were allegorical symbols
>for the super physical forces of nature. That is why you had a
>god of summer, spring, winter, water, death, etc. You are
>completely misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to
>attack, based on completely personal and anecdotal assumptions
>which have no ground in the actual data.
>
>>
>>>
>>>- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is
>>>also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark,
>>Friendly
>>>& Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.
>>
>>Binary choices are easy to deal with. Our brain likes to be
>>reductive in order to increase efficiency and Yes/No 0/1
>>Good/Bad choices are the easiest to make. Most things have a
>>conceivable opposite and the diametrically opposed nature of
>>them makes deciding much easier than picking our favourite
>>shade of grey.
>>
>
>So you are an expert on how our brain works? Also, my point is
>that our thinking is based on dualism. Why it happens
>neurologically is not what I am investing, I am trying to
>figure out why we limit ourselves to two choices.
>
>>There's plenty of non binary choices in human life though.
>>Cherry picking the binary ones isn't really terribly fair.
>Are
>>the most important jobs we do every day binary? Choosing
>>something to eat from a planet full of choice? Picking a
>mate
>>from 3.5Bn candidates? Choosing an occupation? A favourite
>>subject? A forum to post your musings to? Favourite colour?
>>Your name?
>
>The most profound theories/ideas/realities which govern our
>lives are built only on pairs.
>
>Life/Death
>Freedom/Not Freedom
>War/Peace
>Expansion/Contraction (Big Bang model: Universe Expands,
>Gravity Contracts)
>etc etc.
>
>
>>
>>We're not; it's just a particularly common form of thinking.
>
>>
>
>We are. You are breathing in, and breathing out. You are
>considering right and wrong choices, you are considering
>existence and non existence, you are awake, or asleep. All
>sets of two!
>
>
>>
>>>If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles,
>>>contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain
>>>cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in
>>>the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding,
>and
>>>gravity is contracting. = Dualism.
>>
>>No. We found those rules by devising experiments and looking
>>at the results. We know the Universe is expanding because of
>>Red Shift... it's not something we dreamed up, it's
>something
>>we found out. The same cannot be said of your "ancient
>>mystics".
>>
>
>Once again, the big bang theory was predicted, not found. We
>have been seeking to prove it ever since, without much
>conclusive result.
>
>
>>>- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love &
>>>Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you
>will
>>>find a relationship governed with a pair.
>>
>>Especially if you are only looking for things that fit this
>>mould. Life and Death is easy. How about "Health"? There's
>not
>>just "Healthy" and "Unhealthy" is there? It's an almost
>>infinitely complex scale for anyone, isn't it? Lots of our
>>qualities are like that.
>
>Healthy vs. Unhealthy exists.
>
>Either you are healthy or you are not. Simple.
>

You said: "1 liver". I showed you that it is made of "2 parts".

How is that out of context? The human anatomy is full of pairs. I did not invent it, I am only observing it.

>Wildly out of context copy and pastes and nindlessness
>(healthy or Unhealthy = binary? REALLY? You want to stand by
>that?!) don't convey personal understanding... you've got so
>much out of context in that post I can't even decide where to
>star... if only you'd keep yourself to two idiotic ideas per
>post my dualist brain might be able to decide.
>

Yes, I will stand by Healthy vs. Unhealthy. There is a level of "unhealthy" that allows us to continue living, because the body is resilient, but it is compromised, and decaying faster as a result, therefore, it is unhealthy.

If you had something to show anything I said was out of context, you would have. You gave up.

"Idiotic?"

If this is too much for you, you don't have to engage. I have never insulted you and will not do that, you don't seem to be capable of the same level of respect. Shrug.

>Out of interest, why are you discussing this on a hiphop forum
>and not a philosophy one? Having discussed life and existence
>at length with a father and brother with phds in the subject,
>a best friend with a PhD in physics and an ex-girlfriend with
>one in Neuroscience, I'd just love to see how THAT goes.
>Normally I'm the idiot in these situations, it's nice to be on
>the other side of the net occasionally, I suppose.

At this point I will choose not to speak with you anymore. Your ego controls your mouth and therefore, you are not capable of respect and love when met with an idea you don't agree with.

There are an infinite number of things in the universe that occur in other multiples too.

You chose two hands, two eyes, yet we have one penis. Earth has one moon, our solar system has one sun, multiple planets. Dogs have four legs etc

You're over thinking something that is quite random.

He sleeps, but can also be awake!!!
His eyes are open, then they're closed!!!
We have DOGS and CATS!!
XBOX and PLAYSTATION!!!
PEPSI AND COKE!!!
HAM AND CHEESE!!
BEANS AND RICE!
WHITE CHICKS AND BLACK DICKS!!

You don't see the dualities at work?

XB

Bro

You're totally missing it

A TV can be off...or on. Except for sleep mode.

Cups are full, or empty. Except when it's not full but there's still something in the cup.

I admitted that I should not have applied duality to all living things, that is obviously erroneous and incorrect. Think of these examples:

Life/Death
Wake/Sleep
Friend/Foe
Exhale/Inhale
Contract/Expand
Existence/Non Existence

Our existence as human beings is governed by duality. Why is what I am wondering.

mentioning Zen Buddhism so much...

you're giving the practice a bad rap.

does it really matter?

Look at that motherfucker, Binlahab! damn i wish I was him - Corey
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

1. I am not used to this place. It seems Anger and Insults are the first thing people reach for. Someone let me know that it's just the "nature" of this place and not to take it to heart. I felt overwhelmed by the level of negativity thrown at me yesterday and I took a time out because I do not believe in using anger, as I see it as a mental disease.

2. I am not a person that enjoys insulting others so when it's directed at me, I generally shy away and refuse to engage. Some of you are just impossible to speak to and the only comment I'd like to make is, that your anger will consume you and noone else. Anger is a killer. Be weary of how often you use it.

3. I have read all your responses and there are clearly logical errors in some of the things I said. Especially applying dualism to the biology of all living things which is clearly wrong.

I get excited about ideas and speaking with people about them. I see everything as a learning process, not a competition. I prefer to talk to people who are not experts as they are not quite as shut in and locked to their theories. Most experts are incredibly close minded. Non experts are generally more open to unconventional ideas and I feel a lot more interesting thoughts are produced as a result.

10 years ago, if you told someone the speed of light varies they would have laughed you off the island. More data is emerging which suggests that it does. This is why I don't like sticking to "facts" derived by science, because more often than not, they are not facts, but a phase in the evolution of the idea itself.

http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html


About my post. Let me rephrase it.

- The Human biology is oddly governed by pairs and sets of two. As I already stated, we have 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, etc.
- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and Off. Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale. All muscles contract, and expand.

There is an ancient philosophical axiom which states: "As above, so below." and it simply means that the universe as observed in the heavens, is identical as the universe that we experience and interact with on a daily basis, more specifically, the human body.

Ancient mystics believed that the human body is representative of the universe and it's patterns.

- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark, Friendly & Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.

- ***What I am curious about is why we are governed by dualism in our thinking.***

- Do our ideas reflect the dualism we have in our biology and are they a direct result of it? In other words, does our biology produce our dual thinking?

If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles, contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding, and gravity is contracting. = Dualism.

- Or does it mean that the universe itself is governed by dualism?

- I want to try and understand why we see so many examples of dualism, and why our thinking is governed by it.

- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love & Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you will find a relationship governed with a pair.

- Think about all computing. It is also based on an On and Off paradigm: Binary code.

- Our traffic is based on "Stop and Go".

- I want to, scratch that, need to understand why as I find it incredibly telling.

It's not because we're mean.
It's not because we're closed minded.

Further, you're not being insulted out of anger or spite. Actually, that's the clearest indication of your delusion, because nobody is mad at you at all. People are laughing, not screaming.

It's because your premise is laughably simple-minded. You really think this is some deep thinking and that's half the issue. You're delusional, BarTek.

I do not wish to have any communication with you at all Mark, and after this message, do not waste your time writing to me, as I will never respond again.

I have read some of your other posts and I see how frequently and often you say things to others which speak of a deep and concerning mental issue. ie. Telling people to "kill themselves", etc.

I think you need to seek mental help. :)

nobody is angry over what you are saying

unless of course simple-minded thoughts expressed as wisdom really grinds their gears...

and anger is still the wrong emotion...annoyance, sure...disdain, absolutely

the message is laughable...easily disproved...and a thought that occurs to your average (pre)teen and is later disregarded bc well...u learn things that prove it to be gibberish

nothing worth anger...annoyance at the fact that you really think you've discovered something mindfucking like the world is flat in the 21st century

>nobody is angry over what you are saying
>

Negativity and insults are products of anger and insecurity.


>unless of course simple-minded thoughts expressed as wisdom
>really grinds their gears...

Think of me as a kid in a play pen with building blocks. I am humble enough to be thought of as inferior because it does not matter to me. I am not interested in my ego or exercising it. I simply want you to play blocks with me.

Healthy debate is sharing ideas which conflict with one another and working through them to learn something. There is absolutely no need to be mean to someone if they say something you don't agree with.

Furthermore, my ideas are mind f*ckery to me whether or not you like it. I have a right o be mind f*cked by anything I want. You are not my thought police and you shouldn't try to act as it. It's just rude.

>
>the message is laughable...easily disproved...and a thought
>that occurs to your average (pre)teen and is later disregarded
>bc well...u learn things that prove it to be gibberish
>

It's definitely not laughable if you open your mind. Dualism is a real thing and I want to understand why it exists. Why are we governed by dualism? Why do all our best ideas built on dualism? Think about it. It is profound to think that in a universe with no limits, our best ideas and concepts are built on simple duality. Is that not a mind f*ck to you?

Life/Death
Wake/Sleep
Friend/Foe
Exhale/Inhale
Contract/Expand
Existence/Non Existence

All profound examples of duality which govern all our lives. Why just duality?

>nothing worth anger...annoyance at the fact that you really
>think you've discovered something mindfucking like the world
>is flat in the 21st century

That is your ego speaking friend.

"Don't read this post if you do not want to be challenged. Leave now."

But you will only perceive this as negative and insulting.
*****************************************
huh

>"Don't read this post if you do not want to be challenged.
>Leave now."

I thought it was a cheeky disclaimer, perhaps too cheeky.I like to think outside of the box as often as possible. I don't mind if I am wrong, the point is the exercise to share ideas and have fun.

I do not think I am better/smarter than anyone else, nor am I seeking validation for something so boring. I believe in unity, in one energy. I believe you and I are the same thing expressing itself differently and I just want to share ideas and the excitement it gives me.

I have a feeling this forum is used to a lot of hostility and argument/fighting.

more often than not, people seem to 'color outside the lines/think outside the box/go against the grain/etc' just to do it, as though merely being different is a virtue.

Said people are often so bullish in their outside-the-box-ness that they challenge conventional thinking just because it's conventional thinking.
Frankly, ost people who think they’re esoteric are really just people trying to stand out. Often enough, this is nothing more than overcompensating by people who never fit in to begin with. The best way to deal with rejection from the mainstream is to become the alternative, and absolutely everything about what you’re doing reflects that. Further, you presented a half baked idea if there ever was one.

Seriously, your entire premise can be summed up this way:

ISN’T IT CRAZY THAT A LOT OF SHIT COMES IN TWOS? I MEAN, COME ON, THINK ABOUT IT!

Oh, and I love how you cherry picked the kill yourself shit like that's something I say to *people* and not just one guy who wouldn't leave me alone.....A situation that has since been squashed, by the way.

So.....yeah.

i dunno if that's bartek being brilliant or if this guy doesn't realize that we've already had a character play this part

>

Seriously. You've been here a while and based on the time and experience, what did you expect to happen in this post?

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

I have not been here for too long. I only really started posting this year. I was not a daily reader prior to that.

I did not expect the hostility.