so why do we act so brand new about it?

all of us should bury our parents. b/c if we don't then they have to bury us - and that's probably the worst thing that could happen to them. or right up there among the worst.

meanwhile the 'order of things' requires that we bury them.

it's normal. so why do we make such a huge deal of it?

i guess when it happens when we're young it's hard b/c we feel like we still need them. like their job wasn't finished. that makes sense.

but like...in our 30s? 40s? 50s? why be new about it?

what does being sad have to be acting brand new?


I dont think I need my parents anymore. I go 2-3 weeks without talking to them sometimes, but I know when they go--I'm gonna be feeling it like shit.

she doesn't want one and neither do i.

if the rest of the family throws one that's different. but i can't see it.

all of my parents have said they don't want a funeral. i'm so down w/it.

there'll be a memorial dinner somewhere. or brunch.

and yeah i'll be sad. for sure.

i was sad when my grandmother died but then i was not so sad b/c she was old and she's supposed to die before me and all of her kids. sadly she had to bury one of her daughters and one of her grandkids. but her death wasn't so terribly sad for me. not like when i lost a cousin - she died too young.

my dad... I've written him off a long time ago

my mom... our relationship isn't the easiest but I'd be tight if I didn't get a timely phone call or if I got shut out of all the procedurals.

I'll be sad but I've been learning to swallow it for a while

If anything just watching your folks grow old is more unsettling than their actual demise.


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yes, if the death is hard on them (like they wasted away or were severely injured) that's rough.

that makes sense.

I don't care how old she is or I am.

unless y'all die at the same time...you should live for a time w/o her. otherwise she has to live w/o you.

i feel the same way but i'm prepared for it. i will have to live w/o my parents. i hope.

But I loved my mother, and seeing her suffer from pancreatic cancer was extremely rough. But yes, I know that this is the natural order of things, but it doesn't mean I don't miss someone that I love. Not being able to hear them laugh, or have them to play with their grandchildren still stings. Not sure why that's a surprise to anyone.

My fiancé's parents are older than both of mine. It's gonna be rough losing them as well. She's an only child and though they're divorced they became good friends through and for her.
I've started to try to build a relationship between her and my family more lately.
I can go weeks without talking to mine, random texts, "I'm alive" messages have always sufficed. But it's important to me that she starts to feel comfortable with building a relationship with them.

I lost my grandma randomly in 2008. She one of my closest friends. That really fucked me up. I don't think I expected her to be around forever. But more that she'd fade and you can mentally prepare for something like that.

Neither event should be new to us in that regard.

I don't think the Bible says when Cain died.

#justsayin


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lest they themselves be killed or something. That doesn't mean he'd live forever, just that none would seek vengeance against him.

still though, it's as "natural" as one burying their parents and of course just as heart wrenching.

On a side note that's even more disturbing. The first man born was a murderer-- Yeesh.

over something mundane and then you realize that you'll never be able to do that again.

That to me is going to be heartbreaking. Not her missing big moments in my life, but the idea that one day I'll just want to hear her opinions on the news or a TV show but I won't be able to do it.

cousin - that's harder. grandmother? i've come to terms w/it, mostly.

My brother used to call my mom like 4 times a day. So when I'd get together with my mom for lunch or whatever, it would be a routine thing that he'd call while we were together. He didn't always want to get off the phone, so sometimes our conversation would be interrupted by her taking a 10-15 minute call with him.

A couple of weeks ago, we were having lunch, and her phone rang. My first instinct was "oh great, it's Mark again." Then I caught myself, and realized it was never going to be him ever again.

It's the little things...

I was at my grandma's house, hanging out watching tv, and she was making a plate of food. I'm like "who you making that plate for grandma?" she goes "kelly, you know he's going to want to eat when he gets in." and i have the blank face and my mom goes "mom, you know Kelly is dead." and she just stops and says "oh yeah, sometimes i forget." and left the plate and went upstairs to bed.

my heart was so broken for her and for myself...but yeah it is the simple things you miss that hurt the most.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

>over something mundane and then you realize that you'll never
>be able to do that again.
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>That to me is going to be heartbreaking. Not her missing big
>moments in my life, but the idea that one day I'll just want
>to hear her opinions on the news or a TV show but I won't be
>able to do it.



i get all my recipes from my mom
no longer is she a phone call away to tell me how to get my gravy right
lost recipes.

I just turned 40. I've lived as long without him as I did with him (which blows my mind).

I often wonder what he would think of the weird twists & turns my life has taken.

She died on my 15th birthday. 12 years ago this coming Monday.

She was such a large part of my childhood, sometimes I forget that she never knew me as an adult.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

So What is right. But it just feels cold and clinical for me to think of it that way.

and relatives have lost a parent in the last few years....and that shit is scary.

When my mom lost her dad, yeah she was 40...but he was 65, in great-great health, and...was killed on the way to Church on Father's Day in a car accident. So the way someone dies also makes it a lot harder to take.

my dad i didn't cry so much as he was older and lived a full life
my mom's death too everyone by surprise as she wasn't even old enough to get Social Security yet
if she'd have lived another 15 years it would be less painful for me

my mom could still do the stanky leg and dutty whine when she died
she was hella young at heart

but yeah, i feel you overall tho
i mean over all your body

but my mom was 63 when she died
i could (and would) run the streets with my mom
we'd "DO VEGAS" together
like literally me and my mom flying out to vegas and tearing down the town for a weekend
san francisco
we bar hopping
im the more sober of the two so im trying to drive us back to the hotel from the haight
windows down in the rental car feeling the breeze
we hear some live jazz coming out this cafe
and before she could yell "STOP!!!!" i was already smashing breaks and bending a left to circle back and hit that lil spot up
we found a park
dipped in there
had a few more dranks and closed the place out

it was a cute lil jazzy spot but nobody was dancing so me and my mom sparked up a impromptu dancefloor and danced until they turned the lights on (last call)

i wont go into the stanky leg or dutty whine stories

ahhhhh the memories...

my sister was beefing with my mom when my mom died in a car accident.

To this day my sister ain't right because she didn't have closure.

>To this day my sister ain't right because she didn't have
>closure.

in 2009 she stood me up for a trip to Maui
i lost a lot of bread on those tickets
so i always wanted us to redeem that trip
i got too busy
then she always be doing her own thing
and we never got around to it

now THAT woulda been a trip and a half
seeing my mom geek out looking at them crystal clear waters

oh well...

and now you have kids that know them and love them so the attachment matures into something else.

and it is new. you only get one mommma/daddy. so when they (they = momma) pass, shit will be new to me and I'll be fucked up for while.

It maters not the when or the how, but the fact that they will no longer be here in the natural.

Have you ever lost a family member that was close to you?



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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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..and I KNEW for awhile that she be gone soon.

But, like tariqhu said, you can't logic your way out of emotions.

In the last 10 years, I have lost my mother, father, stepfather and the grandmother who helped raise me.

Even though I'm in my 40's. I feel like an orphan.

>..and I KNEW for awhile that she be gone soon.
>
>But, like tariqhu said, you can't logic your way out of
>emotions.
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>In the last 10 years, I have lost my mother, father,
>stepfather and the grandmother who helped raise me.
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>Even though I'm in my 40's. I feel like an orphan.
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

and i'm like...really? b/c...what else was supposed to happen?

but you're in your 40s and what you're saying makes sense. your parents were young when they died so that's a hard loss.

long ago (also in his 40's).

in about the same span he's lost his mother, father, brother, half brother (well, he wasn't raised w/ him but they ain't live too far away), some aunts, a couple friends. and this last year, an ex, his rehab counselor and a couple cats he grew up with.

he's like, "D, death is just all around me, man".

it's really messing with him, especially since he's trying to get his life together, and do something positive for his girls and his son.

it ain't a lot of wisdom i can provide him. even Job would be like, dayum. i pray with him and for him and try to just let him talk it out when things get bleak.


i'm very sorry for your losses. (and i wasn't trying to one up you w/ my cuz's experiences -- i can't fathom the level of loss either of you have experienced). i'll be praying for you and your fam, too, though.

and i need to call my cuz.




peace & blessings,

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as he is recovering from two blood clots in his head, it's a lot harder than that.

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I really do pray for the healing power of God to rest on your father and His comfort to rest on your family.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

I will pray for his speedy and complete recovery.

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and, really, for everyone in this post.

a lot of us in here 10 years deep on this here board. its kind of amazing to see how we've aged.

i been thinking about all of this a lot. my wife's grandmother just passed. we going up to bmore next week for the funeral. she was 89.


peace & blessings,

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not having much to show for it. (c) mad

Done.

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Peace, love, blessings, all that.

losing either of them
i know it's inevitable but i always worry

well, i hope to lose them. b/c otherwise i'm dying first and i don't want that.

but they're gonna die and i'm going to have to deal w/that. i hope.

they love. there's your answer



"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

Whether you believe in an after-life or not, the person who's died is in a better place than you are.

But you're left alive to miss them. Missing someone you'll never see again hurts.

And it's okay to express that pain.


I think you could try to be more compassionate about it.

my pastor back home does a great job of taking a funeral from grief to celebration but I don't think it's selfish to grieve.

It's natural to be selfish as well. That's why altruism is interesting.


What I mean by calling grieving selfish is, your grief doesn't do anything to help the dead. Or the people around you.
It's just an expression of the loss you feel. And there's nothing wrong with expressing the pain of that loss.

Where do y'all come up with this stuff.



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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

Get out of your feelings, into logic, and realize that we're basically on the same side.

But I understand this is OKP and everybody is smarter then the next person.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

"Selfish" has a negative connotation, but it isn't always negative.

If you're overly stressed and take a day off where you turn off your phone and lay in bed all day, that's selfish. But it's okay if that's what you need to do. It isn't negative, it's necessary.

In this case, you grieve because you hurt. Because YOU miss the person. Because of the impact that is has on YOUR life.

But the fact that the person is no longer in pain (if that was the scenario), isn't a bad thing.

Therefore your grief is of selfish nature. But it's fine.

My grandmother passed away at 83 last year and I still cry some days. It's selfish but I miss her daily.

as an act of selfishness. Grief isn't about wanting to keep something for yourself or keeping it aways from someone else. Grief is a natural emotion that helps humans to express a sense of loss that cannot be at times articulated and formulated into words.

That's why they have Grief Counselors, Chaplains, Pastoral Care teams, etc.


>"Selfish" has a negative connotation, but it isn't always
>negative.
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>If you're overly stressed and take a day off where you turn
>off your phone and lay in bed all day, that's selfish. But
>it's okay if that's what you need to do. It isn't negative,
>it's necessary.
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>In this case, you grieve because you hurt. Because YOU miss
>the person. Because of the impact that is has on YOUR life.
>
>But the fact that the person is no longer in pain (if that was
>the scenario), isn't a bad thing.
>
>Therefore your grief is of selfish nature. But it's fine.
>
>My grandmother passed away at 83 last year and I still cry
>some days. It's selfish but I miss her daily.


And taking time to heal is never an act of selfishness. That's like you breaking your leg and having to stay home form work and folks call you selfish.


The problem is that people fail to realize that the human mind and soul needs time to heal via grieving just like a broken leg. And ain't nothing selfish about that.

But we are going just agree to disagree. I'll stick with what I know to be true.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

The word isn't used in this situation because it has a negative connotation, NOT because it's ACTUALLY negative in all situations.

I gave an example where this is true.

Grief is another one.

We don't refer to it as selfish because of the connotation, not because of what it means.

For you to combat that is just to be stubborn.

I know my vocation and you know your's. I'm going to disagree and KIM on this selfish topic.



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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

Selfish just means that you're only focused on yourself.

When you're grieving, all of that counseling and coping and whatnot is about YOU. Coming to terms with YOU no longer being able to see the person that died. Dealing with how YOU are going to move on from this. Everything about the grieving process revolves around YOU, and getting YOU through it.

It doesn't have to be negative to be selfish.

when my mom passed and all those people showed up and grieving and crying....

I didn't see anyone being selfish or doing it for themselves.

I just saw a packed church filled with people who loved her and grieved because she was gone too soon.

b/c when you say "I didn't see anyone being selfish or doing it for themselves" it still infers a negative connotation on the word selfish, as if the mourners would be doing something bad.

Instead, think of it as "the entire grieving process is an *internalized* ordeal. all of the things that you feel, and all of the emotions that you show, and all of the people you talk to about the way that you're feeling are steps in a process that allow YOU to feel better about the pain that YOU feel, and come to terms with the loss that YOU experienced. The process ends when YOU are able to move on with your life after the loss YOU experienced, and can cope with the pain YOU feel inside."

I love how ya'll will break your necks to good against the truth of the matter.

Grief is not a selfish emotion or process and no one what deal with grief will ever tell someone that. But I'll y'all cook.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

Facts:

Grief is the process of accepting the loss of a loved one. It's YOU taking YOUR time to get through what the loss of that person means for YOU.

Self = YOU (me). Oneself, in particular

Selfish = being concerned, sometimes excessively or exclusively, for oneself or one's own advantage, pleasure, or welfare, regardless of others.

When someone dies, it isn't a bad thing for them. If they are saved, especially, as people of faith we know this to be a good thing as they rest with our Father in heaven.

When we grieve, it often prevents us from celebrating the life and transition of our loved ones to be with our Father in heaven because we haven't yet fully accepted how their death impacts US.

Grief also causes those around us to focus on helping US feel better about something positive that has happened for someone else because it has made US feel bad.

This means that the grieving process is inherently selfish, although it is also NATURAL, UNDERSTANDABLE, often REQUIRED, and NOT negative.

YOUR view:

Selfish is bad, grieving isn't bad, so grieving can't be selfish.

We shall let you cook.

He's in know it all mode now where facts are irrelevant.

He won't actually address your point, just point at his 'credentials' and claim that just because a term isn't used out of sensitivity to the grieving that it's somehow inaccurate.

If a weight loss consultant doesn't call a person with an obesity issue fat that doesn't the reality of the situation.

You can let these jokes fill you up with gas if you want. But the fact is that NO counselor, psychological or medical professional will ever tell a person that is experience the process of Grief that they are being selfish or that Grief is a emotion.


Keep dancing with DJ.



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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

someone will tell someone else that it is.

You essentially just did what Ted Gee Seal said you would, bro.

I just hope that you and others NEVER tell a grieving person that they are being selfish or even use that word in any context during their process.

When the words that you actually should be telling them how much you're there to support them or just be there as a silent presence of support.

But hey, I know that everyone here is smarter then every medical profession that ever existed.






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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

Nobody here has suggested that the word should be used when comforting a grieving person.

But that doesn't change its accuracy.

And you are trying to act brand new just to stand on a point. So stand Bro. We are good.

I don't think the grieving process is a selfish process and you do. We are clear. Our perspectives are based on obvious differences and world views. So, it's all good.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

a whole bunch of nothing.

This has zero to do with words mattering and world views.

You continue to argue something that I'm not, so you're right I'll just leave you be.

Just because we choose not to use a word in a given situation doesn't mean that it's inaccurate.

You're making it about appropriateness just to be obtuse and stand in disagreement, which this has never been about.

rather than die...

I just don't think it's selfish to grieve over the loss of a love one.

If I see someone crying at a funeral or a few days later I've never thought they were being selfish. Just sad for the loss of a loved one.

The word means what it means.

Not all selfishness is bad. Not all selfishness is inappropriate.

When we grieve over a lost one, that is because of what it means for us, NOT because of what it means for them.

By definition, that is selfish. It's just a completely natural, acceptable, appropriate example of it.

I'm not sure how else to explain this.

but I can't wrap my head around grieving for a loved one being an act of selfishness...

>but I can't wrap my head around grieving for a loved one
>being an act of selfishness...
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But it doesn't mean that Sepia was wrong.

That was my only point.

it's just weird that we act so new about our parents dying when we're adults. b/c they're supposed to die when we're adults. it's life. the other option is us dying before them, which is much worse.

The one point in my life when I felt suicidal, not wanting to hurt my parents
with the burden of burying their child was probably the biggest deterrent to me.

>Whether you believe in an after-life or not, the person who's
>died is in a better place than you are.
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>But you're left alive to miss them. Missing someone you'll
>never see again hurts.
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>And it's okay to express that pain.
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>I think you could try to be more compassionate about it.

A person can be caught up in the sadness of others, but I think there's a reason why we say "sorry for *your* loss."

If it wasn't self focused we would grieve far more heavily for the loss of others, but we don't, because those losses don't affect us as much.

between this and all the beating rants you post like you really hate your parents
i get it, especially if you feel xyz about the past. but this ain't a complicated issue to understand really

>so why do we act so brand new about it?
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>all of us should bury our parents. b/c if we don't then they
>have to bury us - and that's probably the worst thing that
>could happen to them. or right up there among the worst.
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>meanwhile the 'order of things' requires that we bury them.
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>it's normal. so why do we make such a huge deal of it?
>
>i guess when it happens when we're young it's hard b/c we feel
>like we still need them. like their job wasn't finished.
>that makes sense.
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>but like...in our 30s? 40s? 50s? why be new about it?


but as an adult me and my mo worked very hard to get to this closeness we have now

before the relationship was parent to child
not a friendship

currently even though she is still my mom
there is alot of affection
and friendship

i know most of her story
its very deep and very touching

and jeez i'm tearing up now

i would hurt me horribly to lose her
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but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'll have to explain to my child(ren) that she's gone and deal with her hurt...on top of my hurt. I will be CRUSHED possibly beyond repair when Angela goes. Fuck how I'm supposed to act because "it's the natural order of things" IT'S MY DAMN MAMA!!!

you dying before her is much more devastating to her than her dying before you.

she's supposed to die before you. you are supposed to bury her. it's life.

not apt for this post
but it needs to go somewhere.

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pun not intended

I wish more ppl could chime in on this...but that would mean talking to ppl who actually lost both and would have to be hard.

but do you really think losing a person you're in love with, who you think is the ONE, or is the one, would hurt more than losing your son?

i feel like i can always find someone to fill that void if i lost a mate, but you really can't replace a child and ppl try to all the time which is why you see so many ppl adopting or getting pregnant right after they lose a child, but it doesn't help and that pain will always linger.

>not apt for this post
>but it needs to go somewhere.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

i'm one of those who would put my spouse before my child though.

i agree w/that school of thought that says putting the marriage first is paramount. i wouldn't want to sacrifice my marriage for my kids.

it's us against the world.

but we're talking about life and death here. way different, imo.

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We all have that one person that would cause more pain than any other.

I have some friends whose death would hurt me more than others.

I have some relatives whose death would hurt me where I wouldn’t blink at others.

Wife and kids though? Can’t call it.

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if they die under harsh circumstances (protracted illness, severe injury) that's tough b/c they suffered.

or if they lived an unfulfilled life it's rough to see them go b/c the hope that they'd find happiness is gone.

a HA. the lightbulb just turned on.

that's all.

That is, if you're serious. If that's the case, you're being 'logical' to the point of being ignorant if not downright callous.

My friend knew from the day her daughter was born that she wouldn’t have more than a few years if she were lucky. She finally died after her fourth birthday. The doctors could do nothing for her and they sent her home to live out her final days. My friend knew her daughter was on her last few breaths.

Was she “brand new” to grieve? In your example of burying parents, would her daughter be brand new were the roles reversed? Say, mom has an accident and has only a few years to live?

You’re either playing devil’s advocate here or you have a significant emotional disconnect with the grieving process if you think people are acting “brand new” when their parents die.

You care about someone, they die, that shit hurts whether you know it’s coming or not. The end.

>so why do we act so brand new about it?
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>all of us should bury our parents. b/c if we don't then they
>have to bury us - and that's probably the worst thing that
>could happen to them. or right up there among the worst.
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>meanwhile the 'order of things' requires that we bury them.
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>it's normal. so why do we make such a huge deal of it?
>
>i guess when it happens when we're young it's hard b/c we feel
>like we still need them. like their job wasn't finished.
>that makes sense.
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>but like...in our 30s? 40s? 50s? why be new about it?
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Just like on the Simpsons all "Yay! Grandma has gone to heaven, isn't that great?!"

They hadn't been indoctrinated into the culture of grief. As a young Christian I was often the same. I didn't grieve so much as accept this was a part of life and hope that they had moved on to a better place. These days it is easy to be caught up in the suffering of others' loss. If someone dies from cancer and there were hospital mistakes, it can be easy to take those mistakes on yourself. What if I'd asked more questions, done more research, stayed on top of the administrators. That guilt can manifest in a lot of grief, and seeing that pain in others can bring out an emotionally painful empathy.

I think the "brand new" aspect is largely due to the examples set by those around us.

When you have something that you take for granted removed from your everyday life it has an effect. That the change causes grief is self focused as I think Sepia was trying to say. People are sorry for *your* loss, not that the person didn't get a fair go at life, or that the world will be worse for all because of their passing. Some cultures, from what I've been told, have found ways to manage the grieving process differently, and less of that "brand new" behaviour results. I think it's mostly about examples and conditioning. If people were conditioned not to cry because it's over, but smile because it happened, then coping with loss might be a much different thing, and for some people it is.

To insinuate that losing parents should not be as painful is an asinine presumption. The lost of any loved one at any age is hurtful.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrbqpjMihl1qab0qxo1_500.gif

To not write that dumb shit.

How in the entire fuq you gon tell folk how they should grieve and to what degree. Maaan take that gif and shove it up your ass.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu0vxj9pks1qj41h3o1_500.jpg

or were you posting under a different name for a while?

DEATH?
DEATH???
yall gone argue about how to grieve a DEATH OF YOUR PARENTS????

shezus christ!

also, they've been alive as long as you've been alive so no matter what, there's a hole in your life, and I have a theory that the longer someone lives, the more you trick yourself into believing they're immortal.

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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

she's in her 60s and feels like an orphan.

i think you're right - we think our parents are immortal. so when they die, though they're supposed to, we take it hard. harder than we should logically. but emotion tends to defy logic.

I found that there's some kind of weird thing to not have a preceding generation above you. It makes you feel your own mortality and like you're on your own with no one with more experience than you to run things past. So now I'm on my own without adult supervision. It's dumb to even think that way because I parented my parents and didn't have adult supervision as a child, but there it is. I didn't take it hard, exactly, but it is a kind of weird feeling.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

I miss my mother very much. She died when I was 38. I mean, you're right, in theory...but none of that you said lessens the pain of missing the person that brought me into the world and who was my best friend.

considering i knew nothing about it.

the OP speaks for itself. if you give a damn and i don't care if you don't you can read the rest of my replies in here where i expound.

but if you don't...*shrugs*

>considering i knew nothing about it.
>
>the OP speaks for itself. if you give a damn and i don't care
>if you don't you can read the rest of my replies in here where
>i expound.
>
>but if you don't...*shrugs*

smh

and still hasn't gone away. I spoke to my Dad every day, and hung out with him a couple times a week. You never stop missing them, especially if you were close.

but im banned tho.
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Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!!

Some of the replies at least. I *try* not to think about what may come, and instead work towards making today a nice experience for myself and my folks. I try to make amends for things I know I did wrong, and I try not to think about the future at all. Just doing my best to enjoy the grand illusion I spose.

What a card you are

>so why do we act so brand new about it?
>
>all of us should bury our parents. b/c if we don't then they
>have to bury us - and that's probably the worst thing that
>could happen to them. or right up there among the worst.
>
>meanwhile the 'order of things' requires that we bury them.
>
>it's normal. so why do we make such a huge deal of it?
>
>i guess when it happens when we're young it's hard b/c we feel
>like we still need them. like their job wasn't finished.
>that makes sense.
>
>but like...in our 30s? 40s? 50s? why be new about it?
>
>

And my grandmother was 95.

I wish a MugFoo would have asked me why am I acting so brand new about it? Or come at me with that "it's normal. so why are you making a huge deal of it?"

That person would have needed some flowers and nursing care.


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

>I wish a MugFoo would have asked me why am I acting so brand
>new about it? Or come at me with that "it's normal. so why are
>you making a huge deal of it?"
>
>That person would have needed some flowers and nursing care.
>
>

But predictably being irrelevant doesn't get in the way of your desire for violence because you're overly sensitive to words.

I was 25 then, 26 now. We were close. Hurts A LOT but I do see your angle and I've kinda rationalized it a little bit like that. I'm glad that I didn't go before her cause I wouldn't want her to feel the emotional pain I'm feeling. There's an emptiness I'm always gonna feel but it's a part of life and I had to find a way to keeping going while I deal with it.

I'm doing alright almost 6 months on.. It's funny how the most random thing can make me think of her.

...no one on this planet should judge anyone else's mourning process of a deceased parent.

period. point. blank.

I don't know if "brand new" is quite fair - these are upheavals that however commonly experienced by humanity as a whole (you're right, parents SHOULD die before kids; that is the order of things), it only gets experienced by most individuals a maximum of twice in a lifetime - losing a parent is always going to feel pretty "new"... that's rites of passage for you.

But, I honestly agree your rationale should help in the long run; at least it's the approach I try to take. Nobody's been wronged by the fates if their parents die once they've been fully raised and become an adult.. everything after you're grown is a bonus. If, like a couple of people have said, you've managed to cultivate an 'adult' friendship with your Mother or Father, you've already got more than most people can hope for from that relationship... you won at this shit already. Remember and realise that! Holding on to fantasies, however subconscious, of immortality is only going to take the shine off in the long run.



>so why do we act so brand new about it?
>
>all of us should bury our parents. b/c if we don't then they
>have to bury us - and that's probably the worst thing that
>could happen to them. or right up there among the worst.
>
>meanwhile the 'order of things' requires that we bury them.
>
>it's normal. so why do we make such a huge deal of it?
>
>i guess when it happens when we're young it's hard b/c we feel
>like we still need them. like their job wasn't finished.
>that makes sense.
>
>but like...in our 30s? 40s? 50s? why be new about it?
>
>