I've seen from the police shooting posts people have wildly different ideas as far as what is a justified shootings. Consider these hypotheticals and share whether you think cops shooting a suspect in each hypothetical is justified or not:


1. Cop confronts a suspect. Cop sees a gun on the person and the person pushes off the cop and takes off running with the gun in hand. Cop justified in shooting the suspect?

2. Cop confronts a suspect. Suspect swings on the cop and beats the cop enough to knock him down and disorient the cops but takes off running. Suspect does not appear to be armed. Is the cop justified in shooting the suspect as he flees?

3. Cop confronts a suspect in the middle of the summer who has his hands in his pockets. Tells the suspect to remove his hands from his pocket. Cop says remove your hands from your pocket now or I will shoot. Suspect refuses to do it. It's clear the suspect understands the cops warning.

4. Cop stops a suspect on the street and says raise your hands and stand where you are. Suspect raises his hand and continues to move towards the cop. Suspect clearly understands the cops orders.


5. Cop stops a suspect and they get into a fistfight. It's clear the suspect is unarmed. Cop is clearly bigger and more physically intimidating then the suspect.

6. Same scenario as #5 but Suspect is clearly physically superior to the cop.

7. Suspect is waving a knife. No standbyers are around.


Ok, In what scenarios do people think that a shooting would be justified?

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acts bc i wouldn't be surprised if the bullets started flying my way.

with little explanation as to why or the nature of those confrontations.

Not saying any of them would be unjustified but, cops lost the rights to the benefit of the doubt.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

makes a difference? Not sure.

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I don't think a single officer should be persuing an armed or unarmed suspect that just took them down alone, and if they are in a public space said officer definitely shouldn't be letting off shots. So it would seem the best option would be call for backup.

Toward my initial point though, in most of the things that i've been seeing the biggest issue has been how the officer carries themself when dealing with a suspect. Often it's their tone or word selection etc, that turns standard procedures into confrontations. They then get the benefit of the fact that most don't take those factors into account when assessing their behavior. If the suspect showed the slightest bit of resistance the officer is considered justified.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

it because a deadly scenario when and effort to diffuse the situation could lead to a totally different result.

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Like okay this suspect just handed you your ass. Guess what, you just got a good look at him, know whether he's armed and in which direction he's headed. Call it in and taking him down shouldn't be a problem.

I seriously wonder whether this is even seen as an option, or if they are training cats to start bucking to keep em from getting away.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>makes a difference? Not sure.
>

It makes a difference to me, as a citizen,
because odds are, it's me that can get assed out
because cops are scared of dying "in the line of duty."

since it's me that's more likely to get "confronted" for no reason,
and the onus is always on me to diffuse a cops racially biased fear,
I wish black ppl would get "confronted" less.


I don't care about individual cops lives as much as I care
about systemic police brutality.

yes, cops lives matter.
but mine does too.
I don't care about your fear.
I was in the military.


You don't like the risk, choose another profession.

>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

>
>1. Cop confronts a suspect. Cop sees a gun on the person and
>the person pushes off the cop and takes off running with the
>gun in hand. Cop justified in shooting the suspect?

shoot him

>
>2. Cop confronts a suspect. Suspect swings on the cop and
>beats the cop enough to knock him down and disorient the cops
>but takes off running. Suspect does not appear to be armed.
>Is the cop justified in shooting the suspect as he flees?
>

don't shoot.


>3. Cop confronts a suspect in the middle of the summer who
>has his hands in his pockets. Tells the suspect to remove his
>hands from his pocket. Cop says remove your hands from your
>pocket now or I will shoot. Suspect refuses to do it. It's
>clear the suspect understands the cops warning.

kinda gray but i'm leaning towards shoot

>
>4. Cop stops a suspect on the street and says raise your hands
>and stand where you are. Suspect raises his hand and
>continues to move towards the cop. Suspect clearly
>understands the cops orders.
>

don't shoot

>
>5. Cop stops a suspect and they get into a fistfight. It's
>clear the suspect is unarmed. Cop is clearly bigger and more
>physically intimidating then the suspect.

don't shoot

>
>6. Same scenario as #5 but Suspect is clearly physically
>superior to the cop.

don't shoot

>
>7. Suspect is waving a knife. No standbyers are around.

don't shoot...unless he advances. then shoot
>
>
>Ok, In what scenarios do people think that a shooting would be
>justified?
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

or not shoot me if i did the things in each scenario...



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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

>1. Cop confronts a suspect. Cop sees a gun on the person and
>the person pushes off the cop and takes off running with the
>gun in hand. Cop justified in shooting the suspect?
>

maybe.

>2. Cop confronts a suspect. Suspect swings on the cop and
>beats the cop enough to knock him down and disorient the cops
>but takes off running. Suspect does not appear to be armed.
>Is the cop justified in shooting the suspect as he flees?
>

maybe.

>3. Cop confronts a suspect in the middle of the summer who
>has his hands in his pockets. Tells the suspect to remove his
>hands from his pocket. Cop says remove your hands from your
>pocket now or I will shoot. Suspect refuses to do it. It's
>clear the suspect understands the cops warning.
>

probably not.


>4. Cop stops a suspect on the street and says raise your hands
>and stand where you are. Suspect raises his hand and
>continues to move towards the cop. Suspect clearly
>understands the cops orders.
>

Not yet. And it depends on how close the cop is to the suspect.

>
>5. Cop stops a suspect and they get into a fistfight. It's
>clear the suspect is unarmed. Cop is clearly bigger and more
>physically intimidating then the suspect.
>



Hell no.


>6. Same scenario as #5 but Suspect is clearly physically
>superior to the cop.
>


No.

>7. Suspect is waving a knife. No standbyers are around.
>
>


Depends on how far away they are from each other.



>Ok, In what scenarios do people think that a shooting would be
>justified?
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

jaywalking? shoplifting? armed robbery? murder?

What the person they're confronting is "suspected" of should factor into the response.

Like in 3 or 4 I think it would make a huge difference if the person was suspected of jay walking versus a murder suspect.


But how about in Scenario #1? What if #1 there was no probably cause but it turned out that dude had a gun. Would it matter if they didn't have a right to stop that person?


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

It could be for a somewhat innocent reason. It could be that that person is about to grab a hostage.


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Because grabbing hostages isn't just a common man's fight or flight tactic. Odds are they are running because they are afraid of getting shot, which is the catch 38 because they'll get shot for running.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Cop had no probable cause other than he thought the suspect looked suspicious (i.e., black person in white neighborhood).

Or

There was a convenient store robbery. Gun was used but no one was hurt. Suspect matched the description.

or There was a shooting in the neighborhood. Suspect matched the description.


Any of these scenarios changes the vote?



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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

which may or may not be registered. They haven't done anything yet but you want to just confirm its a registered weapon. You don't do that yourself. You call for backup and then approach the suspect and ask for the paperwork on their gun.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

a gun. They just so happen to be a black person in a white neighborhood.

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the reason we have cops and trials is because we, as a society, theoretically, would rather have a system of due process
rather than a possee of ppl with guns handing out vigilante street justice.

I don't care if it's a SUSPECTED mass murderer.

Have a trial.


Cops should investigate and arrest ppl for trial.
They should not shoot them unless there is an reasonable, immediate danger to the officer or public safety.


if the suspect is being an asshole, charge them and arrest them.


don't kill them unless it reasonably looks like they are about to
kill the officer or somebody else.

And given cops track record...
this:



It could be for a somewhat innocent reason. It could be that
>that person is about to grab a hostage.
>

is not an adeauate reason to shoot a motherfucker in the face,
unless there are facts that indicate that's a plausible scenerio.


>
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

>Cops should investigate and arrest ppl for trial.
>They should not shoot them unless there is an reasonable,
>immediate danger to the officer or public safety.

http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Police_funeral21.jpg

and reply 32.

and maybe I am concerned about it being MY funeral
because some cop was scared of being shot "in the line of duty".

as if that makes it reasonable to shoot
every black person they are afraid of in the face, regardless
how much of a threat they are to the public and the
and the officer.

Another consideration is what the person is suspected of doing. If he's suspected of something dangerous (rape, murder, torture, kidnapping, etc.), the cop may be more justified in stopping hat person.

>1. Cop confronts a suspect. Cop sees a gun on the person and
>the person pushes off the cop and takes off running with the
>gun in hand. Cop justified in shooting the suspect?

Related to my comment above. Since the dude has a gun, I'd say the cop can shoot considering this dude may be a danger to others.

>2. Cop confronts a suspect. Suspect swings on the cop and
>beats the cop enough to knock him down and disorient the cops
>but takes off running. Suspect does not appear to be armed.
>Is the cop justified in shooting the suspect as he flees?

Also related to my 1st comment. Does the cop have a strong suspicion that this guy is a danger (other than getting beat up)? If he's just suspected of shoplifting, he shouldn't be able to shoot.

>3. Cop confronts a suspect in the middle of the summer who
>has his hands in his pockets. Tells the suspect to remove his
>hands from his pocket. Cop says remove your hands from your
>pocket now or I will shoot. Suspect refuses to do it. It's
>clear the suspect understands the cops warning.

This one is tricky. Lots of variables. I'm gonna say yes with some reservations.

>4. Cop stops a suspect on the street and says raise your hands
>and stand where you are. Suspect raises his hand and
>continues to move towards the cop. Suspect clearly
>understands the cops orders.

Same as above.

>5. Cop stops a suspect and they get into a fistfight. It's
>clear the suspect is unarmed. Cop is clearly bigger and more
>physically intimidating then the suspect.

No.

>6. Same scenario as #5 but Suspect is clearly physically
>superior to the cop.

No.

>7. Suspect is waving a knife. No standbyers are around.

If the cop is attacked by the guy with the knife, then yes. If the guy is just standing 50 feet away, randomly waving a knife in a place where no bystanders are or are likely to be, then no.

so they can face justice.

killing is wrong. somebody trying to kill you is wrong...you trying to kill them in retaliation is wrong. you aint God. you dont get to decide when its that persons time to go. their wrong doesnt mitigate YOUR wrong. is it dangerous? YES. 100% thats why we give police officers so much respect as a culture, because they are risking their lives to enforce the law.

if the law says its just to kill for the police, the police are people...just like me. if its just for them to kill me gatdamnit its just for me to kill them. except its NOT. if i kill a cop, IF i live im going to the fucking chair. & rightfully so.

no. no killing. thats the problem w/ our culture, we are bloodthirsty megalomaniacs who want to answer everything w/ ever increasing force


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

I can defend myself with deadly force
if my fear for my life is reasonable.


being scared of black ppl is not a reasonable reason to off somebody.
and too often, that's the subtext of the rationale for these shootings.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say cops can never use deadly force.

they are shooting other people, shooting @ other people

ok, shoot them.

but if they have a knife? tase their ass. tase em again. call for back up & everybody tase em. whatever.

but more often then not lethal force is the first option & thats got to stop


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

...most folks won't ride with.

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1. Cop confronts a suspect. Cop sees a gun on the person and the person pushes off the cop and takes off running with the gun in hand. Cop justified in shooting the suspect?

NOPE

2. Cop confronts a suspect. Suspect swings on the cop and beats the cop enough to knock him down and disorient the cops but takes off running. Suspect does not appear to be armed. Is the cop justified in shooting the suspect as he flees?

NOPE

3. Cop confronts a suspect in the middle of the summer who has his hands in his pockets. Tells the suspect to remove his hands from his pocket. Cop says remove your hands from your pocket now or I will shoot. Suspect refuses to do it. It's clear the suspect understands the cops warning.

Not justified

4. Cop stops a suspect on the street and says raise your hands and stand where you are. Suspect raises his hand and continues to move towards the cop. Suspect clearly understands the cops orders.

Not justified.

5. Cop stops a suspect and they get into a fistfight. It's clear the suspect is unarmed. Cop is clearly bigger and more physically intimidating then the suspect.

Not justified

6. Same scenario as #5 but Suspect is clearly physically superior to the cop.

Not justified

7. Suspect is waving a knife. No standbyers are around.

Not justified




Show me a cop who has NONE of the following:

Pepper Spray/Mace
Baton
Taser

Unless the suspect has a firearm (or what appears to be a firearm) or is attacking with a blade, explosive or incendiary device, there is no reason to use lethal force.

#1 if the guy turns and aims.

a lot of people think the police are the superhuman telepathic beings instead of regular people making split second decisions in potential life or death situations.

and attempt to effect an arrest using as little violence as possible because just like i wanna go home after my shift, this person im talking to does too

i'd know my life isnt any more or less important then that persons

and i'd try to do my job


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

just don't give a fuck about their own lives, let alone yours, right?

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I'd love for you to show me statistics showing more than 1% of the population is as you describe them as justification for treating everyone else like they *could* be.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>I'd love for you to show me statistics showing more than 1%
>of the population is as you describe them as justification for
>treating everyone else like they *could* be.

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/20/21-ismaaiyl-brinsley.w245.h368.2x.jpg

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

of the entire poplation that are murderous, psychotic criminals is small.

But for the most part police officers aren't dealing with the entire population, they're mostly dealing with with the criminal element and that percentage is a lot higher.

Determining who is who is not always easy in a split second. Brinsley didn't look like a cold-blooded killer at all. He looked like a regular clean cut nerd ass kid.

>But for the most part police officers aren't dealing with the
>entire population, they're mostly dealing with with the
>criminal element and that percentage is a lot higher.

again above 1%

But beyond that the first part of that is categorically wrong. Police are here to serve and protect the public. The public are who they are supposed to deal with. Every officer isn't spending every shift surrounded by criminals. They are spending it in communities of citizens in which there may be criminals.

>Determining who is who is not always easy in a split second.

So stop worrying about a fucking split second and call for fucking back up.

>Brinsley didn't look like a cold-blooded killer at all. He
>looked like a regular clean cut nerd ass kid.

If only someone had shot him the day before just for being black we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Then you can talk to me about how relevant a single mentally disturbed person who actually targeted cops who didn't see him coming let alone know he had a gun to have reacted to shit, has to do with your nonsensical thinking that all black men don't give a fuck about their life or anyone elses.

All this faux shock and horror shit... miss me with that and hit me with some fucking stats or shut the fuck up with your bullshit.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Survey responses to the question "Do you give a fuck about yourself or others?"

Here's a clue - it doesn't exist because he's talking out his ass.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>has to do with your nonsensical thinking that all black men
>don't give a fuck about their life or anyone elses.

but we won't talk about that right

dude shoots his girl

and sits on a bus for +4 hours

while the police are tracking him

c'mon

which is why they get so much respect from people.

thats a major responsibility tho that comes with a lot of caveats


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

>which is why they get so much respect from people.
>

probably moreso, actually.


>>which is why they get so much respect from people.
>>
>

yes.

I still suspect ppl respect cops much more than veterans.

their "boots on the ground" soldiers get more funding
than individual army grunts.

i ain't never heard of cops not getting body armor when they needed it.
and to my knowledge, former cops don't have as many homeless, unemployed, mentally ill, or suicidal ppl as veterans.


which is why I said ppl care about cops lives more than vets.



what is the same, though,
is the bullshit "support the troops/ support the boys in blue"
conservative political rhetoric.

which is basically a trick to make ppl
not think critically about stuff we all need to think critically about.


now tell me why my points don't matter because
i'm just a _____ , which means I can't possibly understand _____ .

I don't expect my doctors to be perfect,
but I expect them to do what a reasonable doctor would do under the circumstances.


nobody is in here talking that "shoot to injure" nonsense.

it's not unreasonable to expect cops to make a reasonable assesment
to decide if they should off a motherfucker.

"I was scared (of niggers, generally)" is not enough.

if you are that scared and can't handle it,
chose another profession.




>a lot of people think the police are the superhuman
>telepathic beings instead of regular people making split
>second decisions in potential life or death situations.
>
>

and compare it to the amount of education and training it takes to be a police officer.

See the problem?

police training sucks right now.
it sucks the same way army training sucked when it came to preparing
troops to do counter-insurgancy.

the troops did what they were trained to do,
but what they were trained to do didn't fit the job they were asked to do.


same with cops.

their job is to investigate crimes and arrest ppl they have probable cause to arrest.
yet they are trained like infantry soldiers.

which would be fine if they were storming the beaches of Normandy.
but that ain't their job.








>and compare it to the amount of education and training it
>takes to be a police officer.
>
>See the problem?

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Shoot the suspect without a warning? No "Drop your weapon"?

I think there are plenty of public safety precautions that could warrant shooting someone who is running away from you.

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http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

wontonly start letting off shots at the people in the crowd?
aren't officers supposed to avoid firing into a crowd?

seems like there's a lot to do before opening fire unless you're a marksman that knows they can take down and disarm the perp with a few precise shots. otherwise... they need backup.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

A school and the officer has a clear shot, he should take it?

Pointing to studies is only so useful.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

are the only objective facts for him...on this topic

i mostly agree with him but it's a really odd debate tactic

>1. Cop confronts a suspect. Cop sees a gun on the person and
>the person pushes off the cop and takes off running with the
>gun in hand. Cop justified in shooting the suspect?

Need more info. Did the cop have probable cause to believe the suspect had committed a violence offense? Are there bystanders? Is this happening on a crowded street? Open field? Are there other cops in the area? Does the cop have a history with this suspect? Is this a 'high crime area'? Et al.

>2. Cop confronts a suspect. Suspect swings on the cop and
>beats the cop enough to knock him down and disorient the cops
>but takes off running. Suspect does not appear to be armed.
>Is the cop justified in shooting the suspect as he flees?

No. Suspect is unarmed and without knowing anything about the nature of the offense the cop suspected or the area where this happened I don't see a need for shooting.

>3. Cop confronts a suspect in the middle of the summer who
>has his hands in his pockets. Tells the suspect to remove his
>hands from his pocket. Cop says remove your hands from your
>pocket now or I will shoot. Suspect refuses to do it. It's
>clear the suspect understands the cops warning.

Not based on that. No probable cause to believe the subject has a weapon.

>4. Cop stops a suspect on the street and says raise your hands
>and stand where you are. Suspect raises his hand and
>continues to move towards the cop. Suspect clearly
>understands the cops orders.
>
>
>5. Cop stops a suspect and they get into a fistfight. It's
>clear the suspect is unarmed. Cop is clearly bigger and more
>physically intimidating then the suspect.
>
>6. Same scenario as #5 but Suspect is clearly physically
>superior to the cop.
>
>7. Suspect is waving a knife. No standbyers are around.
>
>
>Ok, In what scenarios do people think that a shooting would be
>justified?
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

Those questions will impact my answers. Bc the officer's act is justified if a reasonable officer in the cop's place armed with the same info would commit the same act.

catching a bad one is in the job description

I have yet to hear of a supsect beating a cop to death

maybe you have?

my biggest issue with these police shootings

in the information age

is these suspects can be identified

simply from being stopped

why is it so imperative to shoot and kill them immediately?

i.e., Mike Brown was a few feet from his house

and the cops that killed Eric Garner knew him by name

fearing for your life and protecting yourself is one thing

fearing for your life and killing everything that scares you is another.

if the suspect has a gun, and I'm going to need the weapon to be a gun if you are going to shoot and kill the suspect

I'm not mad at all

that kid that ran and dropped his gun

sure that could have been handled ALOT better

but I can't tell a cop to not take a kid running away from him

AND armed with a gun

as a serious threat

now, the dude that ran from the cops and jumped in his car

yeah, that dude didn't need to be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE7DtMtymyU

Don't know if this has ever been posted here

as if police only have the one option

c'mon

drastically.

but as of now w/the training they get (as related by cops in depositions) i understand why they can seem so quick to shoot.

They seem to get that right most of the time

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/justice-dillon-taylor-after-white-utah-man-fatally/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/

http://www.ibtimes.com/san-francisco-police-shooting-white-man-shot-killed-after-charging-officers-air-gun-1773128

the stats are out there

comparing police shootings racially

I'm not sure what you're argument is in this post

but carry on...

I'll find you a white guy that can dunk a basketball (c) Bill Burr

but i'm smart enough to know its atypical, and it was confined to one locale, and I had never experienced it anywhere else.

well done.

prosecutors.

I am fine with the police having a slightly different standard because of their line of work but there is no way that a prosecutor who depends on police officers to perform their job does not have an inherent conflict with prosecuting police officers.


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