If you are trying to determine the beginning of the universe, you can't just pick a convenient point to start and work from there. You have to take everything into consideration.

>>>Thats not faith, incredible heat is a mathematical
>>necessity
>>>for something to be that dense
>
>>Where did that density come from? What put it there? Or,
>what
>>established the mathematical laws for it to adhere to?
>
>None of that matters. I dont take a side on any of that. The
>mathematical laws that describe our universe are here and they
>work. "Why" isnt a concern for mw.
>

That right there is faith.

>>That is where I see faith. You cannot answer those questions
>>but the theory is built on that blind gap. Everything you
>>wrote is what follows after the building blocks have already
>>been provided for you.
>
>Your question doesnt even make sense. "Where did that
>density come from?"? Its a ratio of mass to volume. I dont
>need to to know where the mass came from, I can see it in the
>sky. And i know the volume of the universe is expanding so its
>logic that puts initial volume at zero.
>
>Mass that we can see in the sky, divided by our logical zero,
>gives us infintite density.

I specifically corrected myself by saying: "Or, what established the mathematical laws for it to adhere to?"

You said it is irrelevant. You can fight it all you want, but The Big Bang Model is built with 1 part Faith. Shrug.

The irony!