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12699768, D'angelo & The Vanguard Black Messiah.. a month later after release
Posted by imperial, Thu Jan-15-15 12:38 PM
Thoughts ?
favourite tracks?
was it worth the wait?
does it fill that missing void?

I think its s solid album I thoroughly enjoy like 10 out of the 12 tracks and love how they flow from beginning to end. I can't get into prayer, but I haven't really gave it a good listen.

Also I think Back to the future 1 & 2 is the same song they just faded it out towards the end to avoid having a long as track. If you notice part 2 fades in exactly were part 1 faded out.

lastly does anyone else notice that glitch on Really Love at the 3:42 mark, sounds like a cough or a missed rim shot?

Oh yeah this is not gonna hold me for another couple of years to a decade I hope he has a follow up within a year or so.
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miserable niggas yo
cant let nobody have nothing
"god save the queen pip pip cheerio tea time princess di" ass niggas (c)white desus
12699769, I couldn't get through it. Doesn't move me. Felt like work
Posted by John Forte, Thu Jan-15-15 12:38 PM
12700015, ^^^^^
Posted by sixteenstone, Thu Jan-15-15 02:56 PM
12700416, yes
Posted by CherNic, Fri Jan-16-15 09:00 AM
12700427, ^^^
Posted by Ashy Achilles, Fri Jan-16-15 09:13 AM
12699772, THANK YOU! thought my bluetooth headphones were fckn up...
Posted by GHNO, Thu Jan-15-15 12:40 PM
so that glitch is in the song...

i listen to it daily...

wife said it sounded like a bunch of noise...

still don't know WTF he's saying on most of the songs outside of the chorus.
12699858, Can't listen in the car if we're together...
Posted by Creole, Thu Jan-15-15 01:28 PM

>
>wife said it sounded like a bunch of noise...
>


12699878, my wife hasn't said a word about it.. won't dance, sing, nod
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-15-15 01:35 PM
or anything to it.

and she loves his old shit. I guess she is over that nigga.
12700011, LOL... I'm like: "Shit! This is good shit right here. And you...
Posted by Creole, Thu Jan-15-15 02:52 PM
And you... And you... Forget it!"

Then, I just go back to mumbling along as if I know what he hell he's singing.

mumblemumblemumbledoodoowaaaahI'minreallylovewitchoomumblemumblemumble
12700024, LMAO!!! EXACTLY!!
Posted by GHNO, Thu Jan-15-15 03:04 PM
12700028, This is me too, bruh...LMAO
Posted by RaphaelSoulLee, Thu Jan-15-15 03:08 PM

>mumblemumblemumbledoodoowaaaahI'minreallylovewitchoomumblemumblemumble
12700108, YES!!
Posted by Khalil19, Thu Jan-15-15 04:22 PM
nm

















You don't impress me!!




RIP Reggie...I love you!! http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb449/Mynewstuff2011/RegLover.jpg



http://penilegenius.tumblr.com/
12699808, i bought the cd the other day and will not be opening it.
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Thu Jan-15-15 01:01 PM
great piece of work that i can play beginning to end and when it ends i'm like wait its over already? *plays it again*

my favorite song is 'betray my heart'
12700222, i love Betray My Heart
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Jan-15-15 06:22 PM
12699832, Still vibing to it - fam, how can you not like 'prayer?'...but I love it
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 01:12 PM
and it does fill a void for me

It's been awhile since an artist has put together a piece of work that requires you to actually listen to the music

Initially, I was hooked on Charade but lately I've been really feelin 1000 Deaths and Back to the Future 1.
12699841, RE: Still vibing to it - fam, how can you not like 'prayer?'...but I love it
Posted by RaphaelSoulLee, Thu Jan-15-15 01:17 PM
Love this jount....second behind Another Life
12699846, ironically...prayer is the sexiest song on the album to me
Posted by MrThomas43423, Thu Jan-15-15 01:20 PM

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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.
12699865, RE: to me it's his most soulful song on the cd
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 01:31 PM
>
>---------------------------------------
>it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're
>strangers.
>
>not compassionate....only polite.
>
>I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.
12699838, Love it. But had to fall back. I was playing it the fuck out.
Posted by Hitokiri, Thu Jan-15-15 01:17 PM
So I probably haven't listened in a week because the first 2 weeks it was out. I was constantly playing it. On my way to work. At work. On my way home for work. After some puff when I got home. It got to be too much. But I really do love it. I wish the vocals were clearer, for sing along purposes, but... yeah.

Favorite tracks:

Ain't that easy
The Charade
Really Love
Betray My Heart
Another Life


?uestlove was talking about an expanded edition. I need more info on that.
12699862, RE: -) same here lol--->But had to fall back. I was playing it the fuck out.
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 01:29 PM
>So I probably haven't listened in a week because the first 2
>weeks it was out. I was constantly playing it. On my way to
>work. At work. On my way home for work. After some puff when I
>got home. It got to be too much. But I really do love it. I
>wish the vocals were clearer, for sing along purposes, but...
>yeah.
>
>Favorite tracks:
>
>Ain't that easy
>The Charade
>Really Love
>Betray My Heart
>Another Life
>
>
>?uestlove was talking about an expanded edition. I need more
>info on that.
12699854, i really wish i knew what the fuck he was saying more
Posted by MrThomas43423, Thu Jan-15-15 01:24 PM
that said....8 outta 10. i listen to it multiple times a week, sometimes multiple times a day. the songs i love i love.

still can't get into 1000 Deaths.

i agree with Back to the Future I and II. which kinda cheapens it to me. Plus the Door and Back to the Future II sound alike to me, and that makes the last 3rd of the album kinda....off. but i love it.

the Charade is brilliant.

my sleeper favorite song is Till its Done.

musically its great, but it could have been better with a little CLARITY and DICTION.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.
12699896, my initial thoughts, and they still remain
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jan-15-15 01:46 PM
>musically its great, but it could have been better with a
>little CLARITY and DICTION.

and it's a shame because the lyrics are actually really, really, really good.
12699900, the lyrics are posted all over the Internet though.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Jan-15-15 01:48 PM
http://funkyeahdangelo.tumblr.com/

http://api.ning.com/files/iJVROLF4NIta1mffl6lFrHRWQICRsG7z5m*rG-lzaQXZ4X9a60*I4hnWk4X*qGDOJf1UfaC6Tp8DEscI7IUIBm2vJ9ISnKDv/DALyricsBookletWht.pdf
12700016, RE: the fact that you can pull up the lyrics online and the fact that
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 02:57 PM
most of us grew up listening to HipHop where lyrics are oftentimes indistinguishable moreso than any other genre makes it all the more puzzling to me why ppl keep complaining abt the lyrics...


>http://funkyeahdangelo.tumblr.com/
>
>http://api.ning.com/files/iJVROLF4NIta1mffl6lFrHRWQICRsG7z5m*rG-lzaQXZ4X9a60*I4hnWk4X*qGDOJf1UfaC6Tp8DEscI7IUIBm2vJ9ISnKDv/DALyricsBookletWht.pdf
12700089, RE: the fact that you can pull up the lyrics online and the fact that
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Thu Jan-15-15 04:05 PM
>most of us grew up listening to HipHop where lyrics are
>oftentimes indistinguishable moreso than any other genre makes
>it all the more puzzling to me why ppl keep complaining abt
>the lyrics...
>
>
What rap album you got where you can't make out at least 50% of what's being said?
12700149, RE: the fact that you can pull up the lyrics online and the fact that
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 05:14 PM
>>most of us grew up listening to HipHop where lyrics are
>>oftentimes indistinguishable moreso than any other genre
>makes
>>it all the more puzzling to me why ppl keep complaining abt
>>the lyrics...
>>
>>
>What rap album you got where you can't make out at least 50%
>of what's being said?

When Das EFX first dropped, no one could really make out what they were saying...but we knew it was dope whatever it was. Same thing w/Fu-Snickens...

Sometimes I can't make out what Buster Rhymes is saying due to his rapid-fire style.

'Twista' is another rapper whose lyrics I never understood

How abt 'Bone Thugz In Harmony' - til this day I can only understand their hooks, but not their lyrics

There's plenty others...those are just some off the top of my head.

Rap lyrics aren't always distinguishable and no one complains

The point being: if you really can't understood the lyrics to 'Black Messiah' then go pull them up online and learn them. That complaint abt the album doesn't make sense to me.



12700156, I wouldn't say no one complains.
Posted by Starbaby Jones, Thu Jan-15-15 05:20 PM
Hip Hop fans don't complain, but that's always been one of the main criticisms I've heard of the genre.
12700181, RE: The only ppl I've ever heard complain abt not being able to
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 05:55 PM
understand lyrics in HipHop are older ppl, as in like my parents generation, and non-fans of the music.

Or at least I've never heard anyone complain abt not being able to understand a lot of the lyrics in HipHop as much as I keep hearing ppl complain abt not being able to understand the lyrics on 'Black Messiah'

This is 2015, if someone really wants to know and learn the lyrics to this record just google them and print them out



>Hip Hop fans don't complain, but that's always been one of
>the main criticisms I've heard of the genre.
12700460, RE: the fact that you can pull up the lyrics online and the fact that
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Fri Jan-16-15 09:40 AM
Are any of those rap artists you named legendary? D is supposed to be a legend. One of the yodas (Jimi, Marvin, James Brown, Bob Marley, George Clinton, Stevie, Al Green, Aretha, Miles, Nina Simone, Joni and Prince) so I can see why people have an issue with indecipherable lyrics even though it doesn't bother me much because his music is so damn good IMO.
12699972, If you listen to it ONCE while reading the lyrics, everything is way more
Posted by soulfunk, Thu Jan-15-15 02:20 PM
clear. He isn't singing any more mumbled than he did on Voodoo, it's just because all of this was new that it stood out while on the old stuff we know what he's saying. I listened once while reading the lyrics (and there are some really good lyrics on this album) now I can understand what he's saying just as much as his old stuff...
12699983, yep.
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Thu Jan-15-15 02:31 PM
i remember having to read along with voodoo too
and the words were in the cd then as well
just read the damn lyrics folks
its not that hard
12700105, ^^This right here. Listen with the lyrics once, vocals are unlocked
Posted by spenzalii, Thu Jan-15-15 04:20 PM
Though I'm still lost on 1000 Deaths. Just as well though
12700386, Nah, his mumbling is waaay worse on Black Messiah.
Posted by The Wordsmith, Fri Jan-16-15 02:05 AM
Even with his past mumbling, I was able to understand what he was saying from the jump without the aid of reading his lyrics. He sounds like he's purposely mush mouthing on this album.


Since 1976
12699872, Till It's Done (Tutu) is the best song on the album
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-15-15 01:34 PM
I don't give a shit what yall say...

If he wants to sell some records he needs to release that song.
12699952, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Posted by ChampD1012, Thu Jan-15-15 02:08 PM
12700164, they don't heat me tho...
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-15-15 05:28 PM
as soon as the music comes in it screams "dance to this shit"
12700205, yep
Posted by makaveli, Thu Jan-15-15 06:12 PM
12700267, Yup
Posted by GNT1986, Thu Jan-15-15 08:18 PM
12700274, indeed
Posted by Roadblock, Thu Jan-15-15 08:42 PM
12699875, Still love it
Posted by Brother Rabbit, Thu Jan-15-15 01:35 PM
Favorite song is "The Charade".
12699889, i love it but it's not as WOW as i thought
Posted by blackrussian, Thu Jan-15-15 01:44 PM
went back and listened to Brown Sugar & Voodoo and the vocals are really bothering me. It works on some tracks, but some songs could really use clarity.

That said, my favs are Prayer and Another Life. The Door is the only dud and i don't listen to it at all. Still, I'm glad to have new music from him & it's just what was needed at the time.
12699906, i still love it.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Jan-15-15 01:50 PM
worth the wait? eh. it's a great album that clearly didn't take 14 yrs to make. but still, it's great.

'Back to the Future', 'Another Life' and '1000 Deaths' are my current faves.

i used to skip 'Prayer' and 'The Door' but i don't now. i've spent time w/the album on a recent road trip and i got into those 2 tracks.

now i wanna see a concert. i've found video clips of D performing several of the songs but i wanna experience it live in person.
12699975, I said I wouldn't go see him until he dropped new material
Posted by blackrussian, Thu Jan-15-15 02:26 PM
Bought tickets as soon as I heard the album lol
12699966, it's great but no album is "15 year wait" great
Posted by atruhead, Thu Jan-15-15 02:16 PM
so it's sort of anticlimactic. after all the hype and mystery it's just a third good to great D'Angelo album

since Voodoo dropped Musiq, Bilal, Foreign Exchange and other male singing acts have put out 3 good to great albums
12699979, Another Life is the sonic standout on the album.
Posted by Stoogie, Thu Jan-15-15 02:28 PM
Next is Betray My Heart and Til It's Done.

Prayer grew on me and now I love it.

My wife hates it...refuses to listen to it again...LOL
12700022, I thought the Back to the Future thing was obvious...
Posted by Starbaby Jones, Thu Jan-15-15 03:01 PM
It's not different from when artists used to have reprises towards the end of albums. That said, I still rock it. Back to the Future is still my ish, along with The Charade, Another Life and Betray My Heart. It's fills the void to me as modern funk album. I mean, I hard pressed to think of other recent albums that fall in that genre.
12700031, I noticed that Back To The Future was a nod to Jealousy by Slum Village
Posted by NotScared2Ask, Thu Jan-15-15 03:13 PM
I also thought the starting Another Life lyrics were

"I just want it to be
Condom free with you all over me"

Turns out I was wrong...

12700085, Oh my god, I'm not alone lol !!!! That's what I sing along to, even though now.
Posted by Silky1, Thu Jan-15-15 04:03 PM
.......I know what he's saying LMAO !!!! Yes !!!!


>I also thought the starting Another Life lyrics were
>
>"I just want it to be
> Condom free with you all over me"
>
>Turns out I was wrong...
>
>


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R.I.P Jamie Hubley
12700258, We some damn weirdos lol
Posted by NotScared2Ask, Thu Jan-15-15 07:48 PM
nm
12700033, Love it.
Posted by Von Pea, Thu Jan-15-15 03:15 PM

vonpea.com
12700035, Back to the Future is a strange song
Posted by Roadblock, Thu Jan-15-15 03:17 PM
simultaneously frustrating & glorious

that stiff dominating bass line doesn't breath until 2 plus minutes in.

covers up the drums...

I wonder how Pino felt about playing this or if the bass line will be kept so stiff during live performances


All is made right when the bass line changes though...shit is AWESOME
12700040, I like pieces of it....
Posted by Krispee, Thu Jan-15-15 03:19 PM

a section here, a chorus there


the chorus of 1000 Deaths is my favorite... should be longer

now that I see there's lyrics online, I might like more of it. I'm a fan of his vocal layering and harmonies, but its hard if I don't know what he's saying.


12700043, RE: D'angelo & The Vanguard Black Messiah.. a month later after release
Posted by Creole, Thu Jan-15-15 03:22 PM
>Thoughts ? Ridiculous piece of work IMO.

>favourite tracks? My favorite track(s) changes with each spin. All in all, I can say that I really have no favorite. It's just a complete piece of work.

>was it worth the wait? Yes. I think it was in The Lesson where someone said that it seems like an effortless progression from Voodoo. IMO, it is so good that I really don't even consider the wait. It's almost as if it didn't happen even though I know it did.

>does it fill that missing void? Per what I said above, I would say that it does.


I bammed out to this on a recent roadtrip to Hampton, VA and back up the Eastern Shore of VA and MD. The singing was complimentary to instruments. It's nowhere near overpowering from a vocal perspective. The musicianship is primary to me. The music is Coltrane on the sax while the singing is the guy in the back on the glockenspiel. JK... You get the gist though.
12700075, Still enjoying it
Posted by Street Poet, Thu Jan-15-15 03:53 PM
I like that all his albums have a different sound and vibe. I wish the lyrics were clearer, especially since they so thoughtful and creative. But that's his style I guess. Hopefully he'll release more music in the near future.
12700080, Another Life is my joint
Posted by thegodcam, Thu Jan-15-15 03:57 PM
12700161, Can't wait till my preorder vinyl copy gets here in a month
Posted by Ascension, Thu Jan-15-15 05:23 PM
Love the album to death.

It's amazing how The Door was my least favorite song and after a month later its now one of my favorites.
12700165, a month? the fuck taking so long, you in Croatia?
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-15-15 05:30 PM
12700358, it was a surprise release, they hadn't finalized the vinyl master yet.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Thu Jan-15-15 11:39 PM
someone on the inside just posted the test pressings last week. with that said, i'm looking forward to mine as well. i'm hoping they deliver early.
12700219, still fire. i put it back in the deck yesterday.
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Jan-15-15 06:22 PM
12700253, Decent. Not great. People overreacted to it imo
Posted by Lach, Thu Jan-15-15 07:34 PM
12700268, had to give it a break
Posted by catalyst, Thu Jan-15-15 08:21 PM
>Thoughts ?

Very good. So many layers to it, I don't think I'll have a definite assessment until Spring. Took months for me to warm up to most of Voodoo.

>favourite tracks?
Charade, Betray My Heart, Prayer & Another Life

>was it worth the wait?
Yes

>does it fill that missing void?
For the most part. Not understanding the words bothers me a bit. I haven't sat with the lyrics yet, tho.

12700273, still rocking like it was released yesterday
Posted by Scrapluv, Thu Jan-15-15 08:37 PM
12700393, Still great
Posted by Jimbo Jones, Fri Jan-16-15 05:58 AM
The only song I don't love is The Door, it's a pleasant enough song but it doesn't do much for me.

Rare is the album that only has 1 song I could skip (maybe I'm fussy I don't know lol) so I think it's going to stay a personal favourite.

Better than Voodoo? I'm not sure but it's going to deserve a title shot soon.

Favourite song 1000 Deaths
12700455, another life might be my SOTY
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri Jan-16-15 09:37 AM
Def in the running for best album of 14
Still burning
12700464, overhyped. like 4 good trax on it. track 7 should of been track 1
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-16-15 09:43 AM
it makes for a good intro to a CD or concert

i bought it and listened to it for 8 hrs straight on a drive houston-dallas-back to houston

im tired of it and rather bump that new teyana taylor or drake singles
12700570, Maybe there is artistic intent behind his lyrics being difficult to hear
Posted by initiationofplato, Fri Jan-16-15 10:54 AM
The album is called Black Messiah. I am not white or black but I wonder, is there a unified black voice in today's society that is clear and distinguished? A leading voice of hope and change as any messiah would bring? I am probably just reading too deeply into things as always, in which case, you should completely ignore me.
12700585, i like it a lot. i'm ready to see it live.
Posted by latenitemix, Fri Jan-16-15 10:58 AM
12700616, i think i listened twice....i'm good
Posted by Calico, Fri Jan-16-15 11:11 AM
...and i LOVED all his previos stuff...but....nope....maybe i'll go back once spring hits and it's warm enough outside to take a stroll with the headphones...
12700774, Still good, not great
Posted by Grand_Royal, Fri Jan-16-15 12:11 PM
I REALLY like "The Charade", "Betray My Heart" and "The Prayer"
12701405, so many listens...
Posted by jimaveli, Fri Jan-16-15 10:06 PM
>Thoughts ?

Really good album with lots of good songs to dig into. I'd love to hear the vocals with less shenanigans on them to decide for myself if I'd be better off with more clarity. I know for sure that it would make my street-teaming efforts easier. But hell...I rode around with the booklet to Voodoo for months. And I'd sit in the car with it and just listen over and over..I damn near studied that album.

>favourite tracks?

Most of em could be my favorite at any time. For now...

Till Its Done: The 'groove'. The drums. The vocals. It all 'goes together' better than anything else on the album (besides Really Love). The Marvin Gaye 'what's going on: all in one song'-ness of it. The La la laaaaaaaaaaaaaaa part is special. 'Are you there?' gets me every time too.

I turned a corner on Sugah Daddy BIGTIME. That's the song I listen to over and over most often now. The way the 2nd verse ends with the 'meaningless romance' line but he just keeps coming up with stuff to say about how cold the chick is and how he's convinced that he's gonna evade his better judgement at least long enough to be her sugah daddy. 'She crossed her fingers when she said her vowwwwws'. Cold-blooded!

Another Life..If I'm ever gonna be a big rusty dude crying at a concert, it'll probably be sometime during this song. I'm almost not overwhelmed by it anymore but I still dig it so much. The 'E' rhymes throughout! The way he extends the 'E' to say 'sleep' on the 1st verse and 'compete' on the 2nd is so piercing to me. The sitar. The dueling D'Lo part at 4:30. And the wording is so longing and submissive to the desire..cats don't crush on chicks like that on record anymore. Mack Wilds was kinda there but not at this level. Cats are too cool for this type of Winnie Cooper/Kevin Arnold but grown shit. "I got a craving for confection so swEEEEEt". "I wanna touch in all the placing the plEEEEEase". Just grand.

>was it worth the wait?

The idea that D'Angelo was no more had all but sunk in with me YEARS ago, so I wasn't even really 'waiting' anymore per se. So the fact that this album exists AND I like it...it has to be a yes. I refuse to not appreciate it even if I can now admit to being selfishly ticked that a damn good artist like D fell into all that he fell into to make his catalog have this big of a gap. He's basically been absent for my whole adult post-college life until now. Bullshit! And it drifted me away from most of his catalog. One Mo Gin, Heaven Must Be Like this, Untitled, Lady and Dreaming Eyes of Mine almost pissed me off at some point. That's my pre-BM D'Angelo top five probably.

>does it fill that missing void?

Probably not. But it easily reminded me that I had been operating WITH a void. AKA it let me know that I had been bullshitting with the way I had been listening to most music because I could get away with sleep-listening to most stuff without missing too much. My speakers in the car were aight but they weren't real. Not using the M50x joints for all music was a lazy mistake. The 15" old school floor speakers I have in the living room weren't being done justice or getting the proper work.

This shit reopened my listening pores and said 'naw...you're gonna listen! You're not too cool, smart, musically aware, and/or jaded..and if you are, cut it out and just listen!'. I do that for certain artist and every now and then in general, but I had been slacking.

I love feeling the way I felt in 2001 when I was late-passing mad 70s albums.

Or when I was 6 years old listening to Thriller OVER AND OVER again with the album cover and words sitting in front of me.

Or when I was in high school and I 'rediscovered' Prince with my more aware ears and realized that he had ran a LOT of stuff by me as a kid.

Side: My parents would skip Barry's Love Serenade when I was around, so I basically didn't hear that song until I was older. I'd hear 'TAKE IT OFF' then someone would get up and take the needle off by the time he was saying 'panties'. I knew something was up.

I also remember the feeling when I got old enough to REALLY love the mood of Maze. Golden Time of Day, Happy Feelings..you know, that old close your eyes and see sunset and just love life shit. Black Messiah gives me some of those feelings again. That's gotta be good for me.

Jimaveli