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12699484, Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2 are on Netflix
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-15-15 10:02 AM
Part One focuses on the Miami trade and PArt Two focuses on LA. Both were good watches, but Part One seemed to present a better picture of the overall trade. They almost touched on Iran Contra and the CIA in Part One and made absolutely no mention of "Freeway" Ricky Ross in Part Two which I found odd/interesting.

Also Part One kind of shed some light on perhaps why Florida has such infamous laws such as "Stand your ground". Seems like they are left overs from when things got pretty serious for the locals down there.

Anyway check em' out if you're so inclined.
12699536, 1 is great. 2 is an abomination.
Posted by bignick, Thu Jan-15-15 10:40 AM
12699549, ^^ This. Part 2 was forced .
Posted by Case_One, Thu Jan-15-15 10:45 AM

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."
12699572, Two is definitwly not as strong as One
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-15-15 10:59 AM
but I thought it filled in some things left out of One. Also it made me curious about what (if anything) "Freeway" was doing around that time. The way the focus of Part Two tells it-- he was the biggest game in town. That wouldn't add up if Ricky was in business then.
12699580, Yep.
Posted by Hitokiri, Thu Jan-15-15 11:04 AM
2 was clearly a money grab after such a positive response to the original.

Honestly, I'm kinda surprised we're still talking about Cocaine Cowboys 7 years later...
12700236, I'm in this line.
Posted by The Wordsmith, Thu Jan-15-15 07:05 PM

Since 1976
12700451, Charles Cosby wasn't compelling. his described relationship with Blanco
Posted by BigJazz, Fri Jan-16-15 09:32 AM
seemed weird to me...


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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...
12699579, They been on there. Charles Cosby. Real Nigga.
Posted by Geah, Thu Jan-15-15 11:04 AM
12699688, That real nigga shit bothered me though
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-15-15 11:52 AM
Dude referred to himself as such in the same breath as saying some sort of self destructive dribble about what a real nigga does/is. Shit made me think "if that's the definition of real nigga then that's the last thing I'd want to be". Now I gotta find that quote lol.

They just showed up in my queue like two weeks ago.
12699731, yeah i didn't feel that. I do admire his determination though
Posted by Geah, Thu Jan-15-15 12:16 PM
Like if he didn't have the shit on video, letters and Rafi vouching i would not have believed this shit.

Like CC1 had Roberts just laying it out there...u believed him because he was just like fuck it i'll tell it all. Mickey was the same. They taught me in that doc

CC2 I was like This dude aint know her then he had shit on camera and i was like wow. Who would have thought to do that shit in the 80s like that. He had a muthafuckin PLAN.
12699582, Number one is my favorite doc of all times.
Posted by Geah, Thu Jan-15-15 11:06 AM
it absolutely is that good to me

so good to a lot of people that they completely write off number two

number 2 is very good to me

tied up a lot of loose ends. Told a totally different story and opened me up to some shit i did not even imagine could go down.

I enjoy them both

i have them both on my comp, my usb, my external hd and on disc

lol i aint losing these docs at all.
12699693, "you have to understand..."
Posted by BabySoulRebel, Thu Jan-15-15 11:55 AM
"You're not gonna tell a Colombian how to do anything..."

Realest shit John Roberts ever spoke.
12699715, You have to watch 'Cocaine Cowboys 1' to really appreciate 'CC 2'
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 12:07 PM
I agree that the first documentary was more compelling but I also thought the 2nd one was solid, too.

Just the whole idea of how this guy Charles Cosby got involved w/the Griselda Blanco cartel in the first place. That ish took hella patience to keep writing her and she not responding back for like a year I think it was. The drug trade at that time was exploding because of the Griselda Blanco and other Columbian cartels...and right in the midst of this is this improbable blk dude from Oakland somehow mixed up in the middle of it all...

(That's a great a compelling story)

The whole Kennedy kidnapping plot that was accidentally foiled. He was right in the mix of all of that. That was kinda funny to me that he wasn't afraid and had no qualms w/getting involved w/this very dangerous underworld of drug trafficking but when it came to kidnapping a Kennedy he was like nah that's where I draw the line lol.

And

He was really the survivor out of that whole sordid world who kept his bread and didn't get killed or sent to prison.



>Part One focuses on the Miami trade and PArt Two focuses on
>LA. Both were good watches, but Part One seemed to present a
>better picture of the overall trade. They almost touched on
>Iran Contra and the CIA in Part One and made absolutely no
>mention of "Freeway" Ricky Ross in Part Two which I found
>odd/interesting.
>
>Also Part One kind of shed some light on perhaps why Florida
>has such infamous laws such as "Stand your ground". Seems like
>they are left overs from when things got pretty serious for
>the locals down there.
>
>Anyway check em' out if you're so inclined.
12699874, yo they were going to kidnap Kennedy Jr!!
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-15-15 01:35 PM
when it got to that part I was like "woah! This chick was crayzeee"
12699893, RE: And they almost pulled it off, too!!!
Posted by vee-lover, Thu Jan-15-15 01:46 PM



>when it got to that part I was like "woah! This chick was
>crayzeee"
12700430, Sir, it's C-o-l-o-m-b-i-a
Posted by BabySoulRebel, Fri Jan-16-15 09:16 AM
>I agree that the first documentary was more compelling but I
>also thought the 2nd one was solid, too.
>
>Just the whole idea of how this guy Charles Cosby got involved
>w/the Griselda Blanco cartel in the first place. That ish took
>hella patience to keep writing her and she not responding back
>for like a year I think it was. The drug trade at that time
>was exploding because of the Griselda Blanco and other
>Columbian cartels...and right in the midst of this is this
>improbable blk dude from Oakland somehow mixed up in the
>middle of it all...
>
>(That's a great a compelling story)
>
>The whole Kennedy kidnapping plot that was accidentally
>foiled. He was right in the mix of all of that. That was kinda
>funny to me that he wasn't afraid and had no qualms w/getting
>involved w/this very dangerous underworld of drug trafficking
>but when it came to kidnapping a Kennedy he was like nah
>that's where I draw the line lol.
>
>And
>
>He was really the survivor out of that whole sordid world who
>kept his bread and didn't get killed or sent to prison.
>
>
>
>>Part One focuses on the Miami trade and PArt Two focuses on
>>LA. Both were good watches, but Part One seemed to present a
>>better picture of the overall trade. They almost touched on
>>Iran Contra and the CIA in Part One and made absolutely no
>>mention of "Freeway" Ricky Ross in Part Two which I found
>>odd/interesting.
>>
>>Also Part One kind of shed some light on perhaps why Florida
>>has such infamous laws such as "Stand your ground". Seems
>like
>>they are left overs from when things got pretty serious for
>>the locals down there.
>>
>>Anyway check em' out if you're so inclined.
>
12699728, No. 1 left me with a shocking disgust
Posted by initiationofplato, Thu Jan-15-15 12:15 PM
at the length's people will go to for power, drugs, and money, so it was a great doc. no.2 was forced and weak.
12700240, A former coworker told me about when he tried to join the DEA.
Posted by The Wordsmith, Thu Jan-15-15 07:12 PM
Said the folks interviewing him told him that you REALLY see the dark side of humanity working in that field. They told him stories (from their experiences) about things such as folks using children as shields during shootouts and what have you.


Since 1976
12700351, yeah its pure insanity
Posted by initiationofplato, Thu Jan-15-15 11:32 PM
unfathomable even
12699738, u got that right re: 25-30 years ago in FL
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jan-15-15 12:19 PM
12699764, 2 felt too much like a docu-drama to me
Posted by NikaMandela, Thu Jan-15-15 12:36 PM
it was kinda outlandish

*spoiler*

definitely would have been ok if i never learned about a dude eating ol girls organs.
12699771, RE: Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2 are on Netflix
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jan-15-15 12:40 PM
>Part One focuses on the Miami trade and PArt Two focuses on
>LA. Both were good watches, but Part One seemed to present a
>better picture of the overall trade. They almost touched on
>Iran Contra and the CIA in Part One and made absolutely no
>mention of "Freeway" Ricky Ross in Part Two which I found
>odd/interesting.

I'll make sure to watch these this weekend.

Pardon my ignorance, but did Ricky Ross pump weight outside of California? My memories from Dark Alliances are foggy, but I don't remember that book referencing him branching out of Cali too tough, but I could be wrong because it's been a while since I read that book and theres a ton of names in there as well.
12699886, according to Wikipedia (I really need to start donating)
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-15-15 01:41 PM
Ross has said he operated drug sales not only in Los Angeles but in places across the country including St. Louis, New Orleans, Texas, Kansas City, Oklahoma, Indiana, Cincinnati, North Carolina, South Carolina, Baltimore, Cleveland, and Seattle. He has said that his most lucrative sales came from the Ohio area.

12700071, There's a third one called Cocaine Cowboys: Reloaded
Posted by Street Poet, Thu Jan-15-15 03:50 PM
It came out last year. It's basically an extended version of the first one. They tell more stories and go into more graphic detail.
12700330, To my knowledge, stand your ground didn't have shit to do with that
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Jan-15-15 10:33 PM
This article explains much of its origins in Florida, and ALEC and the NRA have done most of the lifting elsewhere:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/floridas-stand-your-ground-law-was-born-of-2004-case-but-story-has-been/1225164
12700340, This is the law that I thought was a factor
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Jan-15-15 10:53 PM
In 1987, however, Florida enacted a uniform concealed-carry law which mandates that county authorities issue a permit to anyone who satisfies certain objective criteria.
-2nd paragraph of "The Florida Experience"

Your article is more directly connected though.
12700470, I couldn't sit through 2 it was really bad
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri Jan-16-15 09:45 AM
Might try to prep again
But it just was wack to me