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|Topic subject||Obama wants community college to be free|
12693860, Obama wants community college to be free|
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Thu Jan-08-15 07:22 PM
12693863, TN is rolling out a similar program. good shit.|
Posted by illegal, Thu Jan-08-15 07:27 PM
12693871, yes please|
Posted by Roadblock, Thu Jan-08-15 07:42 PM
12693874, great! can i get some of my student loans wiped out?|
Posted by Binlahab, Thu Jan-08-15 07:45 PM
but this is good for the future...wish he'd been abt THIS instead of trying to ensure he got reelected the whole time
does it really matter?
for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg
12693914, ^^^^ alladat|
Posted by KiloMcG, Thu Jan-08-15 09:37 PM
12694061, lol, how do you know what he was thinking about and when?|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jan-09-15 09:44 AM
is it like a requirement for you to be crotchety as fuck the second obama's name comes up?
12693876, India has free education|
Posted by initiationofplato, Thu Jan-08-15 07:47 PM
and the largest homeless and unemployed university educated population in the world.
not related, just saying.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Thu Jan-08-15 09:52 PM
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Thu Jan-08-15 09:52 PM
12693928, so india has proto hipsters?|
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Thu Jan-08-15 10:24 PM
12693884, what they need to do is scrap student loans and just pay|
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Jan-08-15 07:55 PM
It's the current system that's partly responsible for skyrocketing costs.
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
12693885, I'm with that.|
Posted by Hitokiri, Thu Jan-08-15 07:55 PM
Universities should also be free...
Or at the very least -- Affordable.
12693923, eff that vocational school needs to be free|
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Thu Jan-08-15 10:11 PM
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Fri Jan-09-15 09:36 AM
12694074, yeah i can see any of those <12 month courses being free|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 09:56 AM
all them courses offered at Kelsey-Jenney
12694484, ya man we need to get back where we started from|
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Fri Jan-09-15 02:46 PM
we need industry and producing shit.
Posted by MME, Fri Jan-09-15 03:08 PM
12693927, A lot of courses in CC are useless|
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Thu Jan-08-15 10:14 PM
Maybe one could benefit if they load up on them advanced pre-reqs (Cal/AP/Bio/Chem/etc).
12693992, should bring down other tuitions as well. do 1st 2 yrs Gen Ed at comm.|
Posted by Riot, Fri Jan-09-15 07:07 AM
That plus the new college rating system they are working on
12693996, yeah, good luck getting that passed this term or next|
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Jan-09-15 07:48 AM
12694009, ...annnnd there's the problem|
Posted by Calico, Fri Jan-09-15 08:29 AM
....i don't see conservatives standing behind this one...
12694014, even if they would otherwise|
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Jan-09-15 08:46 AM
Obama suggested, "he must be stopped!"
Besides, the only way to make community college free is through "MORE SPENDING!" (which could very well also mean "MORE TAXES")
12694020, those ppl always want as much FREE STUFF as they can get|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 08:53 AM
12694042, how much they plan on paying the professors?|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 09:28 AM
as it stands now them ppl get paid like $500 a class per semester
i know a few classmates that tought JuCo courses for the fuck of it
16 weeks for $500
even at my undergrad (alabama a&m) they be paying professors like a few thousand dollars per course and then have the nerve to have folks checks be late or short or both!
can't attract quality talent with them moves
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jan-09-15 02:34 PM
bro my home girl taught two courses and was making 1,735 a month, only on campus 3-4 days a week
my other homegirl taught two classes and one online and was making 66k
aint no professor gunna teach for $500 per semester
12694470, $500 is community college rate...man just check this swipe...|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 02:39 PM
>bro my home girl taught two courses and was making 1,735 a
>month, only on campus 3-4 days a week
>my other homegirl taught two classes and one online and was
>aint no professor gunna teach for $500 per semester
and be careful using "professor" like you do
because there are instructors, associate professors, assistant professors and FULL FLEDGED professors and each level holds a certain range of pay.
On a recent day, Wilder and a few colleagues set up a table in the student union to share their stories. One of those with him was Maria Maisto, also an adjunct at Cuyahoga and president of New Faculty Majority, a national support group that's been lobbying for more pay, health insurance, job security and better working conditions.
"We have to stop hiding in the shadows," Maisto said. "We have to not be ashamed to tell our stories."
She says adjuncts here get about $8 an hour. A tall gangly man approached her, pecked at the calculator on his smartphone, and said Maisto's figures were wrong. That was Rudy Stralka, a well-regarded, full-time, tenured business professor at Cuyahoga. He says adjuncts make $22 to $23 an hour, and if you do the math, adjuncts are paid fairly — $160 per class in Maisto's case.
Maisto said she teaches one class that meets for three hours a week; Stralka said that's $26 an hour.
12694511, jesus man, YOU used professor, YOU did|
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jan-09-15 03:01 PM
most people who teach at CCs are adjuncts, many instructors, maybe assistant Profs
you seriously are one of the most insufferable people on these boards
$26 per hour DOES NOT equal $500 per semester, your words
12694567, oh. so comm college teachers dont make $500 per class?|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 03:30 PM
>most people who teach at CCs are adjuncts, many instructors,
>maybe assistant Profs
>you seriously are one of the most insufferable people on these
>$26 per hour DOES NOT equal $500 per semester, your words
because i believe i was talking about JuCo all through that post
did you catch that?
my bad if i wasn't clear
i even referenced an HBCU (alabama a&m)
my bad for not being more clear
it's nice to know exact amounts of what your friend's make too
12694579, you said semester dawg, come on|
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jan-09-15 03:40 PM
a semester is different then per class or hour
and yeah, she had a sweet gig, was tenure, but she went back to get her PhD
but make no mistakes MANY CC instructors are getting ass raped
it's fucn terrible
12694604, they taught ONE CLASS that semester|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 03:50 PM
>a semester is different then per class or hour
>and yeah, she had a sweet gig, was tenure, but she went back
>to get her PhD
>but make no mistakes MANY CC instructors are getting ass
>it's fucn terrible
it was a bullshit math class or something
like not even algebra level
most entry level instructors at HBCU are immigrants (african/indian) that take the gig just to get a rep
i graduated in 2001 and their checks were often late and short THEN so they were threatening walkouts
even to this day, same shit, instructors having problems with getting paid
im mainly talking about the math/engineering/comp sci courses as that's what course i take and am interested in
when i was in grad school i made a HAIR less than a starting associate prof/lecturer so i wondered why it was a big deal for me to make what i made
(it wasn't really a lot but just the IDEA that a regular employee could make as much as a instructor had the dept in an uproar)
this was at an ivy league school btw
12694585, Insufferable??? When you tried to stuff my words to mean smthg else|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 03:41 PM
I clearly said my classmates made $500 for teaching a 16 week course at a JuCo
JuCo = Junior College
Junior Colleges where they pay $12 a unit or $36 for a English 101 class
maybe have 25 students in the class
so the state collects $900 in tuition for that class
of course the school is subsidized by tax payer funds but damn
you seem to be comparing this JuCo tuition to a proper 4year school where you can pay $4,000 for one graduate course (as i did in school, but i think it is up to $6,000 per class now)
why you wanna be mean to me astral?
i aint be got no weapon
12694598, fam, you confusing me now|
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jan-09-15 03:46 PM
you talking bout how much the instuctor/prof geting paid
or how much students pay
two dfferent things
and nah, we both talking bout jc/cc
if one is able to get tenure at a state or big University, then they gunna make some nice change 65-90k
12694675, Listen. We both want FREE comm colleges, agreed?|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 04:41 PM
im concerned about the feasibility of it since we already have problems paying the instructors at JuCos now
i guess we could raise federal taxes or cut some other prorgrams to get this jumped off
DoD cut use a haircut but you know that won't happen as it supports MANY jobs
blue and white collar
>you talking bout how much the instuctor/prof geting paid
>or how much students pay
>two dfferent things
>and nah, we both talking bout jc/cc
>if one is able to get tenure at a state or big University,
>then they gunna make some nice change 65-90k
12694053, This nigga is trolling Congress... |
Posted by CRichMonkey, Fri Jan-09-15 09:39 AM
Like, say you're pro jobs but you're anti-skills and see how far that gets you.
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12694056, so TRADE SCHOOLS should be free then. like high school.|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 09:41 AM
>Like, say you're pro jobs but you're anti-skills and see how
>far that gets you.
>my avy: Deep in your heart, you know he's right:
>my hustle: http://SupaSoulSounds.com
>*RIP: John T. "220v" Richardson, Blessing Benson, and Dilla*
12694063, they should both be free or minimal cost (with conditions)|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jan-09-15 09:46 AM
state and private universities should be substantially cheaper also, or at least have some accountability in terms of what they charge and what they return.
12694073, Cali did not have JuCo summer school for YEARS because of budget|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 09:54 AM
>state and private universities should be substantially
>cheaper also, or at least have some accountability in terms of
>what they charge and what they return.
how you going to make something be free when you can't sustain it when ppl have to pay for it outta pocket now?
and if public unis should be cheaper, how much should/will they pay their professors?
and how you going to regulate the amount a PRIVATE school charges for tuition?
that's hella socialist.
12694934, well you and i both know tons of people teaching make dog shit|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jan-10-15 01:53 AM
how many courses are being taught by lecturers and adjuncts (some of whom have PhDs and/or considerable professional experience) for $15K a year? i don't see the tuition hikes trickling down to those people.
12694060, why not do like Europe and last 2 yrs high school be TRADE SCHOOL|
Posted by deejboram, Fri Jan-09-15 09:43 AM
in England and Austria you typically finish "high school" at 16
then you have the option of doing more school for another two years
this would be equivalent to JuCo here in the states
but in these two years you learn a trade or specific skillset of some sort
i think kids should spend less time learning about shakespeare and more time about how to keep these spheres from shaking
12694075, theyre proposing something like that in NJ|
Posted by wluv, Fri Jan-09-15 09:57 AM
>in England and Austria you typically finish "high school" at
>then you have the option of doing more school for another two
>this would be equivalent to JuCo here in the states
>but in these two years you learn a trade or specific skillset
>of some sort
>i think kids should spend less time learning about shakespeare
>and more time about how to keep these spheres from shaking
One of the counties are looking into making the last 2 years of High School college credits equivalent so students graduate with 30 credits banked already.
Thats the kind of educational reform that makes a real difference.
12694494, there are schools here that do this|
Posted by Mahogany, Fri Jan-09-15 02:52 PM
There was a highschool not too far from the one I went to that had a technical program. You started in 11th grade and could do electrical, automotive, cosmetology, hvac, IT, culinary arts,etc
12694136, Smart move. If conservatives shut it down, they lose a lot of young voters...|
Posted by daryloneal, Fri Jan-09-15 10:48 AM
If it passes, he's pretty much a hero and it's a great win for his legacy.
12694590, reparations AT LAST!|
Posted by sixteenstone, Fri Jan-09-15 03:42 PM
Posted by Binladen, Fri Jan-09-15 04:34 PM
12694726, yo....JUST a 2.0 GPA?!|
Posted by double negative, Fri Jan-09-15 05:27 PM
i cant tell if thats a good idea or a bad idea